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REDMOND: Joe West Saw Sanabia Spit, Nothing Happened

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Marlins manager Mike Redmond said Tuesday that he didn't see pitcher Alex Sanabia spit on a baseball on Monday night -- but first base umpire Joe West did.

According to Redmond, West didn't say anything but tossed that ball out of play.

Redmond doesn't expect anything to happen to Sanabia since West didn't even mention it.

Sanabia declined all interview requests on Tuesday.

Video captured from Monday's Philadelphia broadcast briefly showed Sanabia spitting on a new baseball tossed to him moments after Domonic Brown deposited the previous one in the sparsely-filled right field seats.

Sanabia was seen vigorously rubbing down the ball as Brown rounded the bases, with one teammate joking "it was bone dry" afterward anyway.

Redmond said he didn't realize anything out of the ordinary -- and I'm not sure this is anything but ordinary save for it being caught on video -- until he saw the video later on.

"At the time it didn't make sense, but now it kind of does,'' Redmond said of West tossing the ball after the homer.

"Joe made him throw that ball out. I was wondering why. He must have seen him. I don't think [Sanabia spitting] was intentional. He rubbed the ball and I think he did it without knowing. Joe saw it and threw the ball out.''

-- Redmond said Giancarlo Stanton (hamstring) would take live BP on Wednesday and begin "functional running.''

Stanton has been taking batting practice in the cage. "He's cleared to hit,'' Redmond said.

Logan Morrison made his first start of his rehabilitation from knee surgery on Monday and went 2-for-5 for Single-A Jupiter.

Redmond said Morrison would be the designated hitter for the Hammerheads on Tuesday before playing first base on Wednesday. Redmond is expected to be back in the coming weeks.


REDMOND: Joe West Saw Sanabia Spit, Nothing Happened

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Dionysus Thelxinoe

I understand fully that the entire dynamics of news reporting has changed with the advent of the internet. But someone needs to explain the simple concept of supply and demand to the knuckleheads who are running this paper. The day I have to pay a single red cent in order to read an article from the Herald is the day I stop reading the Herald. Is it laziness or greed or both that makes them think they're above an organization like the New York Times?

The NYT, which provides the reader with QUALITY news reporting (a trait the Herald can only aspire to), allots every registered subscriber ten free articles per month, and if you CHOOSE to make their website your primary news source (not an altogether bad idea), then you pay a subscriber fee. CNN, another reliable news source, does not charge at all, as far as I can tell.

Herald, your choice is simple... lose the hubris or lose your readers. I'd sooner see you go belly up than pay any of my hard-earned money so that you don't have to work so hard to go out and find advertisers, you bunch of lazy sack of s**s.

Dionysus Thelxinoe

Or is the correct phrasing, "sackS of s***"? Not really sure. What say you, Manny Navarro, you master of the English language?

Dionysus Thelxinoe

AND WHO THE HELL IS GEORGE RICHARD???

Stan M

DT, perhaps with the NYT and CNN changes that must have just taken place, as you report, their readership and viewers might turn around and prevent their drastic falls in popularity. Now changing and becoming reliable sourses of unbiase information is a tremendous step in the right direction and a plus for all Americans.

Lou

DT, I have seen nary a word about paying for any article. I live in Greenville,SC, a burgeoning city, and the local newspaper is so bad, it was just reported that Lee surrendered to Grant at Appomattox. Of course maybe it was just denial on their part.

Stan M

Lou, as long as you're here now, what do you know about a pitcher in AA ball named Jay Jackson? He's a little old for AA, but he's very effective. What is noticeable is that he's from Greenville, SC and went to Furman. Incidently, the young pitcher we got as a throw in from the Hanley-Dodger trade is doing fine as a RP in AA ball. The kid we got as a throw in in the Toronto deal has been terrifc in low A ball. One of our fellow posters saw him pitch and reported that he had been outstanding. And that's just the throwins. I'm not spoofing you, both really look good. Nicolino has had 3 very satisfying starts in a row as well. And yes, I know Infante is doing very well in Detroit and good for him. Would he have done as well in the current Marlin atmosphere might be open for debate. Anyway, I'd rather watch a kid with a furure at 2B in this rebuilding year. It still pleases me to see Coghlan play so hard; his uniform always seems to be dirty. Do you remember when the Mets traded for Geeorge Foster and Pete Rose said NY fans won't like him because he doesn't like to get his uniform dirty. Ever since, I look for dirty uniforms. Probably why I liked Uggla so much. And for that matter, you might disagree, but LoMo was another who played hard, in his case, too hard. By honest here. In your heart of hearts, and I realize that you've lambasted him for months, don't you want to see LoMo suceed? Although he is far from a finished product, Ozuna also seems to be cut cut from that same cloth. I'd love to see a healthy LoMo, Coghlan, and Ozuna playing, and playing hard next year. Ruggiano falls into that same category, but he isn't a long term player unless he can stop swinging through so many balls. That Russian 3rd baseman that we signed this past winter, played his first game this year and in AAA ball last night. I won't even attempt to spell his name or I'll get crucified by the poster who uses several names to hide his identity, but it begins with a K. He's 32 now but the guy did hit in the past for the Podres and with power when considering his home field was a canyon.

Lou

Have never heard of Jay Jackson and truth be told, I want the Marlins to win the NL East every year. I would like to see Morrison come back--and I stated a couple of days ago that both sides were responsible for his injury problem. It's not much remembered but deAza was all set to be the Marlins CF, BUT her got hurt in last Spring Training game against the Yankees. Was originally diagnosed as something minor until it was "determined" he needed surgery in I believe August. Just a terrible situation. Sam`e thing may have happened to Morrison. Have told you I "felt" he should have concentrated his efforts on getting 100% OR finding out what was really wrong. Either way, both the team and the player are culpable in his derailment. Also would like to see Cogs come back. i have NEVER seen someone---well, there was a guy named Chris Shelton who had a monster half a season for Detroit in 05 and then disappeared---lose it all so quickly. Maybe his leg never healed all the way and it screwed up his swing as a pitcher's arm could be injured by lower body injury. Stan, I really don't want to see any of these guys over 30 playing too much. Let's just call this a wash this year and maybe something will change. By the way, I believe the "throw ins" in the deals have performed far better than the main cogs. I really think due diligence was not exercised with some of these young arms.

Lou

Notwithstanding his "dirty uniform", I would be hard pressed to name a worse position player in all baseball than Dan Uggla. Absolutely a horrific contract that the Braves just refuse to eat. Now there may be guys making the minimum in Houston or Miami who are worse, buy when you combine salary,length of deal, expectations and actual performance and it is borderline criminal. Have you noticed that bullpen in Atlanta---Sorry, but I did predict it in the Atlanta papers---that was ABUSED by Gonzalez for 2 1/2 years now may be on the verge of ruin. Venters and O'Flarehty gone and now Fredo is working on wrecking Kimbrell. Know you don't like vitriol,however, Fredo is a stooge.

M. Corleone

Knew it was you all along ,Fredo...Now go take the kid fishing.

Stan M

Gredi was over his head in Miami as I pointed out many times, and he is over his head now. I wouldn't call him a stooge as much as simply incompetent to manage on a ML level. I was talking about the Uggla that we had. Now he can take a hike. Loria did offer him a very fair contract but he went for a few more bucks . He made his bed, let him sleep in it. Regarding other position players who might be worse than the Owl, just in the NL East how about the two Marlin corner infielders? Also Espinoso on the Nats and his own teammate, BJ Upton who's a mutt to begin with, never mind his .150 BA. You did not answer about Jay Jackson, I thought you'd be all over it because of where he's from. I also asked you once before when we weren't trying to cut each other's heads off. Without looking it up, Coghlan is still either 26, or recently turned 27. The stat heads will verify that 26-27 are often break out ages. That Russian K guy 3rd baseman, whike 32, would be a better bet when ready, than this Jordan guy or even Kearns in my opinion.

Lou

Stan, I have really never heard of Jay Jackson. I don't follow Furman baseball.I answered in my 4:18 post in the first sentence. Was not ignoring you.

Marlin Fan

Bases loaded no outs ........ No runs , pathetic .

Marlin Fan

Ok , Mathis calls a better game than Brantly , and maybe slightly better defensively , however he can't hit at all. How can Brantly get experience , playing every third game , and rarely more than 2 or 3 in a row ? The only way is doing . He can sit and watch all he wants but .......unless he's in game situations .

Stan M

Marlin Fan,
Even more egregeous, Redmond didn't pinch hit for him in a bases loaded situation in his first game back with Brantly available. A relatively new poster named Juan has correctly pointed out more than one mistake Redmond has made in game situations. I humbly agreed with him. Too many tactical mistakes and too few instances of "small ball" by a team that can't score in any other way. Something else perplexes me. It is always said that all of us fans think we could manage better than the man in charge, but that it is ridiculous. Well I'm a fan and think that I or anyone else on this blog could construct a better lineup than what has been presented lately. First, Hech has a OBP of less than .250; that's not a BA, but the usually much highter On Base Percentage. You never, and I mean never, can win with one of your first 2 hitters getting on base so infrequently. Second, while it makes sense to let Detrich hit third if he can handle it mentally, to hit him third against two of the best LF pitchers alive is absurd. What Redmond has done is to create two almost sure outs at the start of the batting order. And to say that there is no one else is unacceptable. There is Coghlan, Ruggiano, even Green who would be better suited to those positions. I initially thought Redmond ws an excellent choice as manager. But his decisions leave major legue question marks, and his kowtowing to Loria in that Nolasco- Fernandez controversy about who would start in the doubleheader cut his authority when he didn;t back Nolasco. Lou, he, even more than Fredi, could prove to be the bigger stooge.

boozer

Stan...Some of Red's decisions seem questionable for sure but I wonder if there are factors behind the scene that we're not aware of. I say that only because Redmond is not acting in a vacuum, he has some pretty good baseball people on his staff like Rob Leary, Tino Martinez, Perry Hill etc to consult with. So unless he is completely ignoring them, there must be some kind consensus in the dugout that these are the right decisions. I guess all these guys could be wrong, but over and over and over again? I don't know.

Billy the Marloon

Cheer up Marlins fans...When Lomo the Great and Giancarlo Glass return ,instead of losing 7 outta 10 ,they will only lose 6 outta 10. Whoopee!! Better days ahead...

Marlin Fan

Billy , ..... I hope he does well, but I can't understand why everyone is talking about Morrison's return as if he was a perennial All Star .

Dionysus Thelxinoe

Morrison IS an all star, compared to some of these humps.

And steady criticism of Redmond, who only has this job because no serious candidate will work for Loria, is a clear cut case of not seeing the forest for the trees. This team is 21 games under .500 less than 30% into the season. What difference can Redmond make? Could they be "only" 18 games under? Give the guy a break. Proper execution, a function of ability, makes every manager look good. Which means, conversely, that this team will make many managerial decisions look bad.

Foghorn Leghorn

Thats what Ive been, ah say,thats what Ive been tellin ya boy...ya cant make chickenliver outta chickenshit

Stan M

DT,personally I was and am delighted with the new dugout personnel. If nothing else it's an improvement in team attitude over Ozzie's bunch. But DT, bases loaded and no outs with Green then Mathis coming up, either tied or down by one, and both are allowed to flail away. Another was Mathis up in about 7th or 8th inning, either men on 2nd and 3rd or bases loaded with two outs and he's allowed to hit against a RH pitcher with Bradley on the bench. Then Bradley PHs as first up in the next inning. These are just two of the most glaring accounts. I don't care too much what their record is this year, and thank goodness he's finally giving Coghlan a chance to prove himself, and he's finally admitting that Cishek might not be an ideal closer. Both decisions took too long but that's baseball I guess. Next year should be very interesting and with our starting pitchers back and possibly LoMo, and Yelich performing well, it is the equivilent of several trades or free agent purchases. To get back to your premise, it must have been an organizational decision to bring up a journeyman like Jordan Brown over someone like Kevin Mattison who is their best defensive OF and runs so very well. If this year is transitional, I hate to see hasbeens. It's time to see if Pierre has any value for a RP and Nolasco is at the pinnacle of his trading value right now. SF just lost a key starter and he would fit in with that ballparks dimensioons well. The funny thing is, with whom we have right now as prospects or injured players to return, what position can we improve at for next year? As I see it, only 3B. We probably have more and better prospects than a potential team we would trade with. Sounds strange considering how lousy we are, but it's true.

Dionysus Thelxinoe

Stan, bottom line with Redmond, near as I can tell, is that he's learning how to manage up here instead of Triple A. So I see him as another key to the team's development (albeit a more "disposable" one) over the next 2-3 seasons (assuming he lasts that long, given Loria's history of scapegoating). Managerial decisions are part hunch and part strategy. I expect Red is learning and getting a feel for some of these guys as he goes along. I have no doubt he'll get better. Let's not forget that he, too, is a rookie.

Stan M

DT, good points and you are right.
From our discussions above, Below appears to be another orgaizational conundrum. He did nothing in AAA ball. Here is a report on DeSciafani from a fan type analyist who has been watching him. If you look at his stats, they're very promising and I thnk it was Glags who saw him in person and said he was dominating.


http://marlinmaniac.com/2013/05/22/prospect-profile-anthony-desclafani/

boozer

Stan...Thought it was funny that you refer to Jordan Brown as a has-been. Can't be a has-been if he never has been, and as far as I can see, he hasn't. More of a never-was and never-will-be. But probably still very nice to his mama.

Dionysus Thelxinoe

Those Red Sox / Celtics lackeys over at espn.com seem to be openly rooting for the Pacers and against the Heat.

On another self-indulgent note, today is my dad's 96th birthday up in heaven, and this being a baseball forum, the best game he and I ever attended together was, coincidently, a Memorial Day doubleheader between the Mets and SF Giants at a newly-opened Shea Stadium in '64. He was an avid Giants fan from their days in NY, and they'd been to the World Series year before last (62), with a cast that included Willie Mays, Orlando Cepeda, Willie McCovey, and the Alou Brothers.

The day was memorable for a number of reasons. The first game was won handily by Juan Marichal, who had a CG 5-3 victory. The second game saw the Giants open up an early 6-0 lead, whereupon many fans headed for the gates. Those of us who stuck around were "rewarded" when the Mets crept back into the game (to my father's chagrin), eventually tying the game and sending it into extra innings. The game turned into a monstrous, 7+ hours-long 23-inning contest that featured 9 or so shutout innings by a 25-year-old prospect who was looking to break into the Giants' rotation... named Gaylord Perry; Willie Mays filling in at shortstop!!!; and a triple play by the Mets.

The twin bill started at 1:05... Del Crandall's 2-run double in the top of the 23rd came just before 11:30 PM. Ten and a half hours of baseball... Poor umpires!!! I suspect by the end they were calling a strike on any pitch in the vicinity of the plate.

Lou

Wasn't there but definitely remember that DH. I apologize if I've mentioned this to you before, but you can go a site called Retrosheet and get a play by play, and box score of every game dating back to 1950 or so. Would be fun for you to go back and replay the game.

Stan, UNLESS Green is in their plans I really don't want to see him swing a bat again. Hell, bring up Perio or someone from Greensboro. This is no year to be playing guys with no future.

lipschitzhappens

Lou-They are just hanging onto Green until one or two of their first basemen get back so he can spell Dobbs at first, which I think is a good idea. He actually has done a pretty good job defensively and he'll be gone, probably for good, in a couple of weeks. You know a lot about baseball and I don't think you really believe it is a good idea to bounce young players like Perio up and down to the majors and back.
DT-It's interesting that some of our greatest memories revolve around baseball and you can clearly remember a couple of games that happened almost 50 years ago. And yet the only thing I remember about a game that happened less than 24 hours ago is that the Marlins loaded the bases with nobody out and couldn't eke out a run on their way to a shut out loss. Your Miami Marlins, making memories.

Stan M

DT, you discussed the most wonderful aspect of baseball. It's relatively sameness and being passed from father to son.My dad took me to my first Brooklyn Dodger game in about 1948 and as a kid I had a Dodger uniform with the #11...for Dixie Walker. Longer posters here know this, but my dad was head orthepedic surgeon in town where Campanella had his terrible auto accident and was in charge of the bonework in the operation that saved his life. My favorite dad and I baseball time was when we attended the last game of 1950 when Richie Ashburn threw out Cal Abrams at home and that game decided the pennant for the Whiz Kids of Phillie. Where did you live back then? You, too, Lou, I don't remember where you were from as a kid. I was born in Glen Cove, LI and lived on the Island until 1987 when we moved to Marco Island, FL.


laurelbowie

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=gNj0T4uK3lE&feature=youtu.be

The link above has nothing to do with baseball (I'm currently pouting and not watching the nightly Fish fry), but when I saw this clip, I immediately thought of Stan M. It's kinda fun, regardless of your politics, so maybe some of the rest of you will enjoy it, too. I hope this link gets you to the right place.

Stan M

OK, LB, ya got me. But of my two favorites, it only showed one. And both are insightful and excellent reporers. One is Gloria Van Susturin and the other, not shown, is the exotic looking Catherine Harridge. For sheer beauty, former lawyer Mygan Kelly ain't too bad. They do have it over Rachel Maddow and Nanci Pelosi however. What is amazing is how many of these gorgeous women are very well qualified as well. Please don't associate me with O'Reilly or Hannerty. They're as bad on the right as Matthews and some of those "neutral correspondents on CNN" are on the left. In sum, it was a fun clip. However, I never knew that you were a fellow traveler...interesting!

laurelbowie

Stan M,
I don't travel well with others, and I try never to watch what passes for news on TV, but I do like good country music. I just thought that since you mentioned once that you are a literarian or a libertarian or a librarian or some such, that you probably watch Fox and might get a kick out of hearing this guy's take on things.

Stan M

Thanks, and you were right. But to single out a fine libertarian like myself who leans right most of the time, I had to tease you back. You know how much I respect you and know that you don't lean where I hinted. Am in the middle of a great baseball book. I bought it about 20 years ago and just found that it hasn't been read. Called "Lords of the Realm" it gives a good acount of how baseball got the way it is through the owner-player struggles. It favors the players and union, but is close enough to being neutral that it is enjoyable...and very well researched and written. I'd recommend it to anyone over 60 who lived through those years. Remember those days of yesteryear..."what, Claudell Washington got $550,000 for how many years...is Turner crazy"

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