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Now that LoMo's gone, should Marlins re-retire No. 5?

Remember the stink when Logan Morrison received permission from Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria to wear No. 5, even though the number had been retired -- as part of the team's Inaugural Game festivities in 1993, no less -- in honor of the team's first president, Carl Barger?

BargerBarger died before the Marlins played their first game. But the team retired No. 5 because it was the number worn by his favorite player, Joe DiMaggio. Then along came Morrison, who two years ago asked to wear No. 5 in honor of his late father, whose favorite player, George Brett, also wore that number. Never mind that retired numbers are supposed to be sacred. Loria gave it his blessing. Problem was, nobody from the Marlins notified the Barger family beforehand to ask their permission.

The Barger family still seems miffed by the slight, and justifiably so.

"We have our own memories of our father, and it was a disappointment when they unretired the number," said Barger's daughter, Betzi.

But wait. Morrison is gone now. The Marlins traded him to Seattle and, well, No. 5 is back in play.

What should the Marlins do? Should they re-retire the number in honor of Barger? Or should they make it available for the next player who wants to wear it?

"We wouldn't object if they did that," said Betzi Barger of re-retiring the number. "But we're not going to pursue it."

What do you think?

This much is certain: Morrison won't be taking someone's retired number in Seattle. Outside of No. 42, which has been retired universally by Major League Baseball in honor of Jackie Robinson, the Mariners and Colorado Rockies are the only two teams without a retired number.

Well, other than the Marlins, that is.

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Dionysus Thelxinoe

Richie, you're right, most New Yorkers were either Dodger or Yankee fans (I'm from there), but as it happened, my father was a huge Giants fan, primarily because they were AMONG the first teams to make a concerted effort of dipping into the pool of Latin American ballplayers. The Giants first had a one-year wonder named Ruben Gomez, and later featured All-Stars such as Orlando Cepeda, Juan Marichal, The Alou Brothers, and others. Re your point about Mays' throw, it was almost as important as the catch, since there were runners on 1st and 2nd with no outs in the eighth inning of a tie game that the Giants won in extra innings. Many believe that without the throw, the runner on second (Doby) would have scored easily from second. Mays' throw allowed him to advance only one base, thus preserving the tie score.

Dionysus Thelxinoe

I know this is a Marlins blog and maybe not the best forum for discussing the Dolphins game, but my post actually has more to do with The Herald staff and their ridiculous headlines this morning. To read the doom and gloom in this morning's headlines, it's as if nothing the Dolphins have accomplished this season is worth anything, and I am simply amazed by the astonishing lack of insight(and laziness) on the part of the very people who are PAID to provide it. Personally, I have been more encouraged by this season's results than I have been in quite some time. The Dolphins displayed their potential by winning the first three right out of the gate. That they lost their next four straight provided the team with the opportunity to show what kind of character they have, and the mere fact that they still have a chance for the post season in the final week is proof positive that they answered that call. But not to these yahoos at the Herald, though, apparently. And prior to last week's bomb at Buffalo, the team had again won three straight, including two very exciting games against the Steelers and Patriots, with Tannehill throwing for 300+ yards in two of those games, all of which has put them in a position to at least CONTEND in this final week. Yet these indifferent myopic mooks at the Herald are incapable of seeing past last week's shutout. I realize that quality journalism is damn near dead or at least on the throes of disappearing off this planet, as evidenced by the clown-like, Beaver-Face Barry Jackson who is content to serve as mouthpiece for criminals like Loria (rather than actually INVESTIGATE reports). But what really pisses me off is that these bozos have such a low opinion of US as fans, or else they wouldn't publish this drivel. I think the best opportunity for improvement of the Dolphins next season would be if the Miami Herald hired some GENUINE KNOWLEDGABLE sports journalists who are capable of providing the fans with GENUINE insight, instead of the usual detached misrepresentations that we've become accustomed to. Sorry for the rant, but I couldn't help myself. Now I'm going to go watch the Dolphins and root for them like crazy today. Thank you for providing us with a competitive, entertaining season, Joe Philbin!

Dionysus Thelxinoe

Good news/bad news from the Dolphins game today.

Bad news - Dolphins lost.

Good news - Dan Dierdorf is retiring (Thank you Lord!).

A-Hole

what a clown you look right now after such a stupid rant...

Dionysus Thelxinoe

What an apropos name you have after such a stupid post.

StanM

DT, speaking of names, I get the wine connection, but a Greek muse?.

Where are you from in the NY area, or have I asked you already and forgotten? I see there is a Greek restaurant in Baltimore that bears your name and also a facebook page; a thing that is foreign to this elderly fellow, so I couldn't investigate.

A-Hole

apropos name for a stupid drunk of Greek descent...

Dionysus Thelxinoe

Stan, born and raised in East Village, NYC. And I was more interested in the name Thelxinoe's English translation than who she was.

Dionysus Thelxinoe

Isn't it typical of a pubescent, acne-laced butt wipe to just assume that my online name describes me, just because HIS does?

Stan M

mind charmer?

Lou

Dear DT, My complexion is perfectly clear---Stan can vouch---and all I can say is---Last Super Bowl win during Watergate Hearings, Last Super Bowl season during Reagan's first term and last playoff win during Clinton Administration. Just maybe, the trouble is not with the Miami Herald but with the puerile organization that has drained that stadium of literally all support and has sapped the enjoyment of people around the globe who once loved the Dolphins but now see them for the irrelevant culls they are.People should only be expected to put up with so much ENTERTAINMENT(That is what they call pro sports now??) before they demand and insist the entertainment is somewhat enjoyable. Glad you enjoyed the intoxication of such a heady season. I'm thankful you didn't grow up in Weymouth or Racine. You would probably not know how to react to success. Many people just enjoy "Loveable Losers", besides Sammie Smith and Cecil Collins most Dolphins of last 20 years---with the exception of GREATEST QB to ever live---have not been of a felonious nature but just adept at finding a way to lose. Maybe the Miami Herald can bring Grantland Rice back to life to invigorate them.

Dionysus Thelxinoe

Lou, certainly The Miami Herald is not the reason for the Dolphins to have gone so long without a Super Bowl victory, but fortunately for me, that's not the way I measure success or the lack thereof. As a fan, I need only to be convinced that the team IS IN A POSITION to win it all. And by my definition, it's not all that difficult to accomplish. The first thing that needs to happen is that the ownership must limit their participation to broad organizational decisions and let actual experts run the team. That's not such a revolutionary concept; many successful businesses are run exactly that way. Mickey Arison is able to do that with Pat Riley and look at HIS results. Jerry Jones in Dallas and the racketeering Loria are incapable of doing that and look at THEIR results. And there are other striking examples throughout time, but my observation has been that an owner micromanaging a team is a formula for disaster. Now, in the Dolphins case, I have my doubts about Ireland being the right guy. If I became the owner of the Dolphins, I WOULD replace him immediately, not so much because of the job he's done as much as the fact that there has to be better talent out there. Imo, Ireland has not made sufficient progress during his tenure to justify keeping him in his current position. But note that the focus of an Ireland decision for me would be in the context of the FUTURE, and nothing to do with "when was the last time they (fill in the blank)." I believe Tannehill is a good QB who can win if he has the supporting cast. I believe Joe Philbin is a good coach who can win if he is provided with the talent. In both those cases, Ireland is the man responsible. If ownership decides to give him another season, I won't be terribly upset or surprised. I just think it will be a mistake and then I will root to have been wrong. Simple as that.

Stan M

What is this thing you call football?

Dionysus Thelxinoe

Stan, it's the sport with a Miami franchise owner who actually DID deserve a new stadium, rather than that fat thieving slug of a carpetbagger Loria.

Sheriff Andy

What it Was , Was Football

Camera Mike

Just read that the fish signed outfielder Joe Benson to a minor league contract with an invitation to spring training. Given all the young talent and prospects already in the Marlins outfield I don't understand going after more outfielders when there are still gaping holes in the infield and bullpen.

Dionysus Thelxinoe

Because it's much CHEAPER to sign a guy who's hit .187 in Triple A than to sign a legitimate major leaguer who fills a need.

Dt

I am a sad person. I am going to talk bad about loria no matter what happens., why doesn't he sign major leaguers for every minor league level why take a flyer on a 23 year old who will be under control till 2017. and replace the 15 spots that where left open in triple a with some players that played in triple a. and are not over the age of 34(kearns,green,lucas,velasquez,) I am so smart pay attention to me I am all knowing.

Dionysus Thelxinoe

.187 AT TRIPLE A. Yeah, that's a real flyer.

me so smart

how much yo momma bat.

Stan M

I remember Jerry Coleman as an excellent second baseman and DP partner for Phil Rizzuto. But mostly I remember him for choking up on the bat about as far as anyone in memory. The Mets had a Latin second baseman a couple of decades who choked up almost as much.

Dionysus Thelxinoe

Felix Millan.

Stan M

Two small things that I wish the Marlins had done this off season:

1) Traded for Doumit as a right handed hitting compliment to Salty and one who could fill in at both 1B and a corner OF position. He just wasn't that expensive in who was traded for him. And the guy can flat out hit

2) Signed Mark Moulder to a minor league contract. A great veteran presence and if he was washed up, so what. Almost no risk involved. I'd take a chance on him over all the mediocrities the club is fond of trying.

Dionysus Thelxinoe

Stan, good call, those would've been two astute moves.

Stan M

Thank you, mind charmer.

Sunny Dee

Breaking News - Samson to compete on Survivor next year.

me so smart

The marlins re-signed kevin slowey. come on Dt and senile stan complain please. cheap signing doumit and mark mulder would of pushed the team to the top of nl east. frugal cheap marlins loria stole our money. I don't recall If you two actualy live in Miami.

hayu

Sunny...I've never watched Survivor because I know for a fact that most "reality" shows are scripted, staged and phony as a $5 hooker's cries of "Eureka!" But having our very own midget on the show might make it fun.
(Interestingly, I tried to post this same sentiment on the Marlins' site twice, but the censors kept rejecting my words of wisdom. Hmmm! Maybe the Herald won't get upset if I call diminutive Dave a midget.)

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