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Jacob Turner goes on DL

WASHINGTON -- The Marlins have lost a key member of their starting rotation for an undetermined length of time. But they had a replacement close at hand -- no pun intended.

Jacob Turner was placed on the 15-day disabled list on Wednesday, one day after suffering a shoulder injury while taking his cuts in the batting cage. The Marlins quickly announced after Tuesday's loss that he would miss his start Wednesday against the Nationals and replaced him with Brad Hand, who started the season in the bullpen.

In placing Turner on the DL retroactive to April 4 with a strained right shoulder, the Marlins recalled right-handed reliever Arquimedes Caminero from Triple A New Orleans. Caminero dominated during spring training but failed to land a spot on the Opening Day roster, while Tom Koehler received the nod over Hand for the fifth spot in the rotation with his spring performance.

Now, due to Turner's injury, Hand is back in the rotation while Caminero is in the bullpen. The Marlins had some flexibility with the roster shuffling given that they can use Kevin Slowey in long relief and Hand's loss from the relief unit is not a blow to the bullpen. And the pen is now back to having two lefties as opposed to three with Hand in the mix.

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Flav C.

Since this article is about a pitcher going down, here is a nice article about another pitcher, who went down and is now getting up: Jeff Allison, former Florida Marlins #1 draft pick, who had his future in the MLB shattered by his drug addiction.

http://www.wcvb.com/news/former-mlb-pitcher-beats-drug-addiction-helps-kids-play-it-safe/25380678#!DmRay

bob

Hand wasn't that bad in relief, let's hope he can give us more innings and avoid a loss. At least we have a lefty in the rotation now.

Dionysus Thelxinoe

I'm having trouble with this explanation of Turner being injured while taking batting practice. I understand how pitchers are not the best versed athletes with a bat in their hand, but ...something's just not ringing true here.

Maybe it's a picayune detail, but given the track record of those involved ...

Dionysus Thelxinoe

Another thing I'm having trouble with ... why is it newsworthy (well, at least for espn.com) when an "openly gay" is signed or recruited? The people who care or who it mattered to in the past (and where IS Tim Hardaway these days, anyway?), they're all dinosaurs, a thing of the past. More and more, I see headlines about some "openly gay" player on some team, and more and more I ask myself, "Why is this still news? Who is this supposed to matter to anymore?"

Camera Mike

The official count of blown games by Marmol is now 1. How many more will it take before this is seen as the disaster we all knew it would be?

Flav C.

Now I hope you can understand why I've said Hand is not a starter, and never will be. The Marlins has 1 ace, and four # 5 starters in its rotation. That's about it. Good enough for 75 wins this season

Stan M

I want to get this down while I'm still ticked off. First, we have the first instance of Mormal costing the team a game. The intentional walk also didn't make sense. It loaded the bases with a pitcher on the mound with questionable control. I think we all knew disaster was coming, we just didn't know what form it would take. Redmond is over his head and this ridiculous decision was but another example. But this also indicates the absurdity of the whole closer nonsense. 8th inning, bases loaded, one out, and where is our best relief pitcher? Sitting on his butt waiting for a "save situation". Cishek should have been called upon and just maybe there would have been a possible save situation for whomsoever. This game was also not Stanton's finest hour. He should have scored on Jones double in the 8th, and I also thought that Zimmer's 3 base double was also catchable. This whole experience stunk!

Flav C.

Stan, I'm not sure what you expected from the team. This is what a $50 million payroll can produce. The Marlins will be good enough to win series against bad teams (padres, Rockies, cubs, phillies) and play a few games close enough to not be swept against good teams.
I hoe now you realize what I meant several weeks ago when I wrote Furcal is a much better fielder than Dietrich, even with his left arm tied to his back.

Alex

Mike Redmond is a lousy manager. He lost 100 games last year and this loss is TOTALLY on him. There is NO WAY an arsonist like Marmol should have been pitching the 8th inning in a game like this. AJ Ramos is CLEARLY the guy who should pitch the 8th inning in every game, followed by Cishek, the way the Nats have Clippard, followed by Soriano. Marmol is shaky; you do not put in a shaky pitcher in the 8th inning of a game like this.

I had HOPED that last year was a learning year for Redmond, his rookie year. Evidently he has learned NOTHING. I lost all respect for Redmond after he joined Fat Fredi in throwing Jose Fernandez under the bus in that last Braves game. Fernandez is his best player, and that moron Redmond threw him to the wolves, saying that Jose "ruined" the game for him by watching that HR. That and the 100 losses told me all I needed to know about Redmond. He is our manager for ONE REASON and one reason only: he comes CHEAP. The owner loves to hire guys with no major league experience because he can pay them peanuts and they are just so grateful to get hired that they will NEVER say anything bad about the owner.

Alex

Yeah, you're right Stan M. Maybe they can trade Stanton for someone like Mark Teahen. LMAO

And sure, Cishek should have been called upon to pitch the 8th AND the 9th, just like Sparky Lyle and Mike Marshall used to do. Don't you have some great Ebbets Field stories to make your point?

lex

Look, boys, our favorite lunatic is back. How you been, Alex? How do you type with that straitjacket on?

Marlin Fan

Flav C , unfortunately you may be right in your assessment of the starting pitching . However I think Eovaldi will be a nice three in a yr or two . Hand a former , what was it second round pick , has a career record of something like 1-10 . If you score 7 runs you should win .

Flav C.

With the chance of sounding like a moron, I'll have to disagree with my fellow blog posters here, regarding Redmond's decision of bringing Marmol.

I'm far from being Marmol's fan, but basically, he had pitched fairly well in his previous relief appearances, including a game against the Rockies where the Marlins had a tight lead to be held, and he did just that.

Looking in retrospect, he started the inning pretty well last night, with one out. Had not Dietrich botched fielding that bunt, Marmol would be in a better position to pitch against Rendon.

Also, the decision to walk Rendon, in my humble opinion, was correct by Redmond.

What was completely wrong about Redmond's decision last night, was KEEPING Marmol to pitch against Werth.

The whole idea about walking Rendon was to get Werth to GIDP. But what is wrong about this scenario:

1 - Marmol rarely pitches for groundouts (less than 1% GIDP in his career).
2 - Werth rarely hits into double-plays.
3 - And finally, you have a guy in the bullpen with a delivery much more conducive to groundouts and doubleplays than Marmol. In this case, it was Cishek (who by the way, statistically speaking, had 3 times more chances of pitching to doubleplay than Marmol).

Overall, the team has been playing during the last few games exactly the way a $ 50 million payroll team is expected to play: below average.

75-87 still is my prediction and looking at the Marlins' strengths and weaknesses, they are poised to have a better record against weaker teams this season than their W-L record against them in 2013.

They had negative W-L records against the Cubs, Padres, Phillies, Brewers, D-Backs. They should have positive records against them this season, and have a inter-league record better than the 6-10 of last season.

And look at the bright side: last season, 9 games into the season the Fish was 7 games behind 1st place. This season, they are only 1.5.

Reason to celebrate?? :)

Stan M

Look at the NL standings this AM. Could that also be final standings? I would take it.

Flav makes an excellent point about Dietrich's error changing the entire complexion of the inning. Were Lucas not hurt, he would have been inserted at 3B with Dietrich staying at 2B. That versatility is why he is the better reserve infielder.

This game was decided by our 4-5 best reliever. It should have been decided by our best reliever, Cishek. This is an example of why the whole concept of the "save situation", one which has been so actively promoted by player agents, completely screws up game strategy. The game is lost by an inferior player, so there can be no such save situation.

DT, I often wonder about player injuries with specious causes. Perhaps a more accurate explanation would be that so in so had an altercation with what's his name in the clubhouse and injured his shoulder. Or Eovaldi and Alvarez (both with shoulder injuries out of the clear sky on the same day) were involved in a bar brawl...you get the idea.

yelnats

LET's RATE AN ALEX POST!!!

Mike Redmond is a lousy manager. He lost 100 games last year and this loss is TOTALLY on him. (VERY GOOD ALEX!) +1

There is NO WAY an arsonist like Marmol should have been pitching the 8th inning in a game like this. (GOOD!) +1

AJ Ramos is CLEARLY the guy who should pitch the 8th inning in every game, followed by Cishek, the way the Nats have Clippard, followed by Soriano. Marmol is shaky; you do not put in a shaky pitcher in the 8th inning of a game like this. (GREAT! WITH AN EXAMPLE!!!) +1

I had HOPED that last year was a learning year for Redmond, his rookie year. Evidently he has learned NOTHING. (UNDERSTANDABLE, AND GOOD!) +1

I lost all respect for Redmond after he joined Fat Fredi in throwing Jose Fernandez under the bus in that last Braves game. Fernandez is his best player, and that moron Redmond threw him to the wolves, saying that Jose "ruined" the game for him by watching that HR. (OH ALEX, YOU"RE DOING SO GOOD!) +1

That and the 100 losses told me all I needed to know about Redmond. (WAIT, YOU SAID YOU HOPED IT WAS A LEARNING YEAR?) -1

He is our manager for ONE REASON and one reason only: he comes CHEAP. The owner loves to hire guys with no major league experience because he can pay them peanuts and they are just so grateful to get hired that they will NEVER say anything bad about the owner. (GREAT!) +1

Alex, we're really excited about your post. We see great promise with what you wrote and give you an overall grade B+ ! You should be quite pleased with this, and should possibly print it out and bring down to Hooters to show your "girl friend" Holly, the waitress who is nice to you, and you feel she would really like you if she just got to know you, the REAL you. Leave the Ether rag in the car this time!

Lee

I like reading some of the posts but you so-called experts knocking another poster and predicting the won loss record this early in the season is the epitome of arrogance and tiresome to read.

who's on first

what's wrong with predicting w-l records? is it exclusive to baseball writers and vegas oddmakers?
what a jerk...

Dionysus Thelxinoe

I'm in total agreement with Stan about Marmol versus Cishek. Precisely my thoughts when he started the inning. If questioned, Redmond likely would point to Marmol's previous 4 scoreless appearances against San Diego and Colorado. And I don't care if he had 40 scoreless appearances against the likes of San Diego and Colorado, he still didn't belong in the game last night against Washington in the bottom of the 8th with a 1-run lead. OPEN MESSAGE TO MIKE: When a team paying you $10M decides they'd prefer to pay you while you pitch for someone else (DFA'd 6/2013), there's usually a fairly good reason. But I guess you found that out firsthand last night, huh?

Stan M

Alex, your first post up near the top was lucid and showed some sense. Then you had to ruin everything again by attacking me personally and looking like a nut case all over again. Why don't you disagree with me or anyone else without the personal stuff? Hell, Flav disagrees with about half the stuff I write. And that's fine because the criticism isn't personal and I often throw out some controversial things just to liven things up a little. You could be a good contributing member of this blog if you calmed down a little. There is nothing wrong with getting old and even imparting some past history to fans who weren't around to see some of the things we old farts witnessed. Think about what I've said for we both know that they will exclude you from posting all over again if you keep it up. You don't have to like me to post here. You do have maintain a certain level propriety however. Can't you do that? Then post away....

Flav C.

Stan,

Let's look at the positive side: I agree with half the stuff you write! :)

Dionysus Thelxinoe

I stand corrected on the Marmol contract ... it WAS a $9.8M contract for 2013 and he WAS DFA'd on 6/25, but the Cubbies actually sent "only" $2M to the Dodgers for taking him off their hands for the rest of the season. Dodgers were on the hook for another 2-3M.

Doesn't change my point.

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