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Was this the play that precipitated Jose Fernandez's arm injury?

SAN FRANCISCO - Jose Fernandez's Tampa-based attorney said Friday that the pitcher's arm injury was precipitated by a line drive he took off his thigh on May 4.

Ralph Fernandez, in a statement announcing that the pitcher had undergone successful Tommy John surgery in Los Angeles on Friday, said the chain reaction of events started when the Dodgers' Dee Gordon smoked a fifth-inning line drive off Fernandez's left thigh at Marlins Park.

Due to the pain, Fernandez altered his delivery and that, in turn, led to the "trauamatic event" in which he suffered a "significant" tear of his ulnar collateral ligament last Friday in San Diego. Ralph Fernandez, who is not related to the pitcher, said that Jose Fernandez complained about his arm to him but told no one on the Marlins about his concerns.

"Apparently the injury was worse than he believed," Ralph Fernandez said in the statement.

Here's the video of that line drive:

 

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Dionysus Thelxinoe

I've lived a long time and seen many things.

But I don't recall ever seeing a physician providing definitive legal analysis.

Yet here we have a lawyer who thinks it's perfectly ok for him to impose himself upon the public with his own definitive medical analysis.

I think I'll pass on the blame game. I also have a two-word message for this attorney, but Clark would be obliged to remove my post. Suffice to say the second word is "off."

Flav C.

DT, couldn't agree more with you.

Flav C.

Out of the Jose Fernandez topic for a minute:
If I were Ozuna, I'd start to be worried and work harder on my swing. Not only Reed is providing good presence in the OF and at bats, but also two guys in AAA are heating up:
Marisnick is hitting .340 over his last 11 games, including 2 RBIs. And Jensen, listen to this... Is hitting .416 over his last 12 games, with 17 RBIs, and 5 HRs. Even better ! Jensen hits really well against lefties. He can play LF very easily, and Yelich would move to CF.

U. R. Phullofshitt

This shyster sounds like A-Roid's lawyer,Joe Tacopinga.

Alex

Yep; I've been saying, Flav, that Ozuna is repeating exactly what happened last year: nice start, followed by a rapid fall off, followed by a ticket to the minors.

Alex

Speaking of history repeating itself, the starting pitching seems to be repeating exactly what happened to the 2011 starting pitchers when Josh Johnson, our Ace at the time, was lost for the year. And this is not just a Marlins thing; I have seen other pitching staffs fall apart when their Ace went down.

When Jose's injury was announced I was worried that this would happen. Not only does no one step up and take the place of the Ace, but the OTHER guys in the rotation suddenly pitch like garbage. It's like with the loss of their leader, the rest of the pitching staff is lost. Not only that, but opposing teams suddenly smell blood in the water; the starting pitching staff doesn't look nearly as menacing without that Ace anchoring the rotation.

Eovaldi pitched terribly last night, and so far, Henderson looks bad too. But it's still early, both in this game and in the season. Hopefully both Alvarez and the starting pitchers can turn it around SOON. In 2011 the Marlins were already about 15 games out by the time they got over the loss of Josh Johnson. Let's hope history DOES NOT repeat itself like THAT.

Alex

Flav, regarding your post on the other thread, I was one of the few that liked the team's off season moves this year and actually thought they had a SHOT to be competitive. It all depended on their gambles working out, their signings of guys like McGehee, Furcal, and Jones. I been saying since Day One that if they can just hang around the .500 mark, they have as good a SHOT at making a late season run as anyone else. Of course that is now much harder without Fernandez. And of course we have to see what the FO will do at the Trade Deadline IF they are within a few games of a playoff spot.

Dionysus Thelxinoe

The usual trade deadline transactions don't mesh with this owner. Normally, what's available is a veteran on a team that is out of the race early on. They're looking to dump salary and get some prospects in return. I'll be VERY surprised if this owner helps this team by spending like that, even for half a season.

Alex

Well, through 3 innings, Fish leading 3-1. The young lefty hitters on the Marlins are having no problems with Yusmeiro Petit; Yelich & Dietrich both going deep.

And Alvarez seems to be settling down. Let's hope it continues; a loss tonight puts the Fish one game under .500, and I don't want to see that. They need to stay at or a few games over .500 in the early part of the season to have ANY chance at all this year.

Alex

But of course Alvarez goes back to pitching like crap in the 4th inning; Fish lead 4-3, but they better keep hitting cause that is NOT gonna hold with the way he's throwing.

Alex

DT, you are 100% correct of course. One of the main things I hate Loria for is his refusal to do ANYTHING in 2008 and 2009 when the Fish were a few games out of a playoff spot at the Trade Deadline and were over .500 and playing good baseball.

But we can hope things might change this year, IF the team can stay close to a playoff spot.

Alex

Alvarez continues to struggle; Fish had the lead 5-4. In fact they had the lead the whole game, yet it FELT like they were losing the whole game. Stanton's glove is too big. He has one of those oversize outfielder's gloves and the ball sometimes bounces around and out of it.

Well, now it's 5-5. McGehee makes a killer error on what should have been an easy grounder for out #3, and then Alvarez throws a good hitters'pitch with an 0-2 count (where he should not have thrown anything NEAR the strike zone) and a .150 hitter ties the game 5-5. Alvarez was pure garbage tonight. He just kept giving back every run his team gave him. I will be SHOCKED if the Fish pull a win out tonight. Ramos is pitching now.

Alex

Well, I am about to be SHOCKED, because if Cishek can hold this 7-5 lead, the Fish will have pulled out a huge win. One thing ya gotta love about this team is that they NEVER give up, they always keep battling. Casey McGehee redeemed himself for the error that cause the game to be tied with a big base hit and then Jones followed with another single. Now it's up to Cishek.

MDX

Great win, in spite of Alvarez. Salty 4 for 5 hopefully can keep up with the recovery.

Alex

Fish win, 7-5! But not before Cishek gave me an ulcer watching him walk the lead off hitter and then go 2-0 on the next guy before settling down and getting the save, This is a huge win; a loss would have dropped them under .500. Now they're a game over and if they can split the next two in Frisco they can get back to the friendly confines of Marlins Park and hopefully some wins at home.

Alex

Yeah, MDX, Salty sure busted out of that slump, LOL...

Stan M

Should the team win these last two games, a difficult but not impossible task, they would finish this road trip 5-6. From my perspective, that would be very satisfactory considering where they were and whom they had to play. We must face Lincecum and Vogelsong. Except for the former's last start, both have been mediocre this year so we have a chance.
Although I don't like it, it is understandable that the team doesn't want to lose a year of control of a talent like Headley and won't bring him up just yet. But there is no reason why Marisnick and Ozuna can't be switched and if Jensen can stay hot as Flav has pointed out, he could be more valuable than Solano or possibly even Lucus. Best of all, they would not be expensive for you know who.
Flav mentioned two hot prospects. FYI our #1 draft pick, Moran is hitting very well in high A ball and hopefully will be advanced. My pet player, Brent Keys is healthy, on fire in AA ball, but there is no need for a left handed corner outfielder which is unfortunate for the guy is an on base machine and a perfect leadoff batter.

Stan M

Looking ahead, after a much needed day off on Monday, the team is home against the hapless Phillies. To stay on a positive note, there are only two teams in the NL and five in all of baseball that have a better run differential (runs scored vs. runs allowed) than the Marlins. Considering their recent foibles, that is pretty impressive. The only cloud to mar that picture is that San Francisco is one of the teams in the NL with a better ratio.

Marios

Wonder if we're still in it at the trade deadline we can bring up the young lefty ace in the minors or is he gonna be shut down. He dominated in spring training and looked ready.

Nice to see great comments in this blog.

Stan M

Flav, was checking out the stats on some low A ball players and wonder if you have any insight into these 3 players:
*Justin Bohn...a youngish SS which good stats for the season, but currently slumping.
*Dominico German...a youngish pitcher with excellent stats right across the board.
*Matt Milroy...a little old for this league, but with even better stats than German, whose are awfully good.

Just saw an article on the upcoming draft which is about a month away. Learned that the Marlins have a goodly amount to invest, and in addition to the 2nd overall pick, have at least 2 other high draft picks. Great!

Marios, please stick around and contribute. This blog has many divergent opinions, but can always use more.

Flav C.

Top of the 8th and the Giants bring a lefty to pitch against Jones. Redmond opts for keeping Jones and not bringing Baker. Jones not only gets the hit against the lefty, but because he remained in the game, he delivered the go-ahead single in the 9th and made that amazing catch over the railing to get Pence out and help out Cishek.
Not everything is cut and dry as we as fans sometimes think it is.
If anyone had any doubts how much this team is resolved to win games, just need to look how they've been battling every game and several times trying to come from behind. Those defensive plays by Stanton in the 8th and Jones in the 9th shows how focused and determined these team is.
And hate it or not, Redmond has a lot to do with that.

Marios , comes July and the Marlins are in the thick of things, I have no doubts they will call Heaney up.

Flav C.

Stan, look at my post on Germano about 2 months ago. He has what it takes to become a solid #4 in a rotation in 2-3 years. He Atari is the strikes one like few pitchers in the low A ball.
Bohn has been the part of the offensive pillar (along with 1b Munoz) of the Grasshoppers. The Marlins paid good signing bonus for him (drafted 7th but with several incentives that summed up to a 3rd round pick). He is still adjusting but has shown very good pop, and can play all infield positions. And important: bohn has a lot of speed, something this team desperately needs.

Flav C.

My IPad automatically edited the word "attack" to "Atari". Go figure.

Marios

Thanks Stan and Flav.
I know they put Fernandez on inning counts last year so I would hope they don't rack up too many innings for Heaney so we can use him if needed. The Fernandez and Strasburg injuries make me think they may be even more conservative with Heaney and it may not be wise to call him up this year.
What's going on with all these TommyJohns? I thought it was the split finger fastball before but Fernandez doesn't throw it as fat as I know.

A Realist

I went to sleep last night in the 7th inning with the game knotted at 5. McGehee really pissed me off with that error. And Stanton continues to look uncomfortable out there in right.

With that said, nice for the fish to win a close grind-it-out game against a very good team. I hope something like this shows them they can hang with anybody. Their main issues are consistent pitching and confidence in crunch time at the plate.

In 03', they were 10 games below .500 when they turned it around. It all started with a win against the Rockies. The rest is history. They even lost 23-1 or something like that to the Red Sox at Fenway earlier that same year.

I think allowing DeSclafani to pitch rather than Wolf is a good move. Let this young team own their season rather than bring in some older dude with no connection to this team. BRING UP HEANEY TOO!!!!!

Stan M

Read article by Verducci which postulates that throwing hard from HS on up is probable cause of all of the TJ surgeries. His idea to lower the mound makes sense. However, I would like to know how many soft throwers have also needed the operation. It's not so much if we'll see Heaney, Realist, but when. It's understandable that the FO doesn't want to lose that year of control and they aren't alone in this delaying
tactic.

Does anyone know the date when he can be brought up without losing that year of control?

Flav C.

Stan, to avoid losing one year of control and to avoid a player to go early into super two status, they would probably need to call Heaney up in late June.

Stan M

thanks Flav, we probably won't see Heaney till then. Do you agree that considering his value and potential, it is reasonable for the FO to wait until then?

Dionysus Thelxinoe

I don't understand the logic of lowering the mound to help pitchers. WHO says a lower mound would help pitchers? Is it supposed to relieve stress on the arm? (I don't mean to say that it doesn't... I'm actually asking these questions.)

I know I'm dating myself here, but... historically, offense was at an all time low around '67, '68. The latter season is referred to as the Year of the Pitcher. All sorts of pitching records were being set - Gibson's 1.12 ERA, Drysdale's 58 2/3 scoreless innings streak (yes, that was SIX consecutive complete game shutouts!!!), Denny McLain winning 31 games, the ENTIRE AMERICAN LEAGUE hitting a collective .231 (which I think is still an all-time low... ever!) and there was ONE (1) .300 hitter in the entire American League, Carl Yastrzemski winning the batting title at .301. (I will spell some 3- or 4-letter words wrong, but I can still remember how to spell Yastrzemski, thanks to Topps baseball cards).

Now, the reason I'm remembering all of this stuff is because after that season, MLB decided to give offense a boost by lowering the mound from 15 inches (where it had been from '63 to '68) to 10 inches. Statistically, as it turned out, lowering the mound helped hitters quite a bit. So you can understand my confusion at Verducci's suggestion that lowering the mound would help reduce injuries. It's seems to me that it will help HITTERS, thus forcing pitchers to try throwing even harder and/or throw more (and better) off-speed pitches, which equates to MORE stress on the arm, not less.

Or am I missing something here?

Lou Vales

Flav, There are many things "cut and dry" in baseball--Dan Uggla is an abject failure going on 3 years,The Cubs are a woeful organization facing another 104 years of famine,cholesterol and carbohydrates(cc)Sabathia is DONE and FREDO Gonzalez should be glad there is nobody in a position of power with the name "Michael" in the Braves organization.

Lou Vales

Can anyone think of a more unproductive player making at least 10,000,000 a year who has been more hideous than Dan Uggla. Feel free to go back at least 25 years.

Stan M

Lou, I will never knock Uggla. He was a good Marlin and he always played hard. He made the most of his ability and stood up to Hanley. Both attributes in my opinion. Yes, he's probably finished and that's too bad for him personally, good for the Marlins in their pursuit of the Braves. And let's give credit to Beinfest for making an incredible trade when considering that Uggla refused (thank goodbess)what certainly seemed like a fair salary offer. I would nominate Heath Bell and Dave Kingman although the latter might be beyond your 25 year limit. Alex, incorrectly, assumed that I dislike Stanton and Turner. Well, here are two players that I absolutely loathe and not just for their ball playing.

Stan M

Would you believe it. Those nasty old Cardinals are stealing signs. How do I know? Harang just lost to them and there can be no other explanation. I'm sure Fredi will explain next time he's in Florida. That is, if he's still around.

Stan M

A sportswriter just explained that the Marlins must win on the road in order to compete. Holy Moly, Dick Tracy, what was your first clue? Why didn't one of us think of that? Beats me!

Dionysus Thelxinoe

Lou, Andruw Jones hit .158 in 2008 (which was roughly half of what he weighed that year) and he was paid $14.7 Million for his "efforts." Actually, at his weight that season, it was an effort for him just to get up from the dugout bench. Even more amazing, this putrid effort came only two seasons after he had consecutive seasons of 51 HRs and 41 HRs.

Flav C.

I don't know...every time people talk about bad deals/contracts I associate with mike Hampton.

Flav C.

I meant when he played for the Braves and got , what...40 millions and pitched around 20 games?

Dionysus Thelxinoe

Entertaining quotes about contracts from Cot's...

"I would say it’s the end of the world as we know it. …
I am speechless by that contract. … It’s unbelievable. Literally, it will take the sport down, that contract.
We’re right back to the ridiculous contracts. It can’t be.”
- Marlins president David Samson, on reports Ichiro Suzuki would sign a 5 year-$100 million contract starting in 2008.

“My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is, '(Expletive) David Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all. So I’m not going to say anything at all. Is my mother the greatest or what?”
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

Dionysus Thelxinoe

But the best quote was from Tug McGraw, on how he was going to spend his salary...

“Ninety percent I’ll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I’ll probably waste.”

hayu

DT...I've read interviews with several so-called experts, including doctors, who say that lowering the mound would reduce stress on a pitcher's shoulder, arm and elbow. I don't claim to understand the bio-mechanics involved. I think when they refer to "helping" pitchers, they mean helping them avoid injury and not helping them get guys out. But the fact is, if you're on the shelf, you're not getting anybody out, and this rash of injuries can't be helping the game of baseball.

Dionysus Thelxinoe

hayu, I understand. But statistics have proven that a lower mound helps hitters, so my question is this...

If they DID lower the mound in an effort to reduce arm injuries, and it happens to also greatly benefit the hitters, as it has in the past, how will the more potent offenses (higher ERAs, higher WHIPs, etc.) affect pitchers' efforts.

Personally, my guess is that it would be a wash, because pitchers would try to deal with the increased offense by cranking up their velocity (further straining the shoulder?) and they'd also build up their off-speed repertoire (further straining the elbow?).

Just saying.

To get an impact of a higher mound, anyone can compare offensive numbers in '61 and '62. Those were the seasons of the first expansion teams ever, which was said to have diluted the talent pool. Offense spiked significantly for those two years, so MLB raised the mound from 10 to 15 inches in '63. But pitchers were so ridiculously dominant for the next five years, MLB was forced to lower the mound back to 10 inches in '69. Offense experienced a resurgence.

To my knowledge, they haven't adjusted the mound since.

hayu

DT...Your question is a good one, and nobody will ever know the answer unless they decide to give it a shot. Since nobody knows what's causing the spate of injuries in the first place, they'd just be taking a stab in the dark if they lowered the mound. Then I guess we'd have to have stats for the high-mound era and the low-mound era. I'm not looking forward to that, but it looks like something has to be done.

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