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Astros internal trade talks leaked by hackers include discussions with Marlins over Stanton, Dominguez

The Marlins have never hid the fact they've received quite a few offers over the past couple years for All-Star right fielder Giancarlo Stanton.

And now thanks to some hackers who purportedly posted 10 months worth of internal trade talks by the Houston Astros' front office on Anonbin.com (a site where users can anonymously share hacked or leaked information), we've got an idea of at least one trade for Stanton that was kicked around last November 15.

The trade the Marlins were looking for: Stanton for Astros top prospects Carlos Correa and George Springer. 

Here's the purported exchange: "[Astros GM Jeff Luhnow] talked to [Marlins GM Dan Jennings] and said we had interest in Stanton. [Jennings] said he doesn't think he'll trade Stanton and the only deal he could think of from us that would work would be Springer and Correa. [Luhnow] said that would not work. [Lunhow] posited a deal around [pitcher Jarred] Cosart and [minor leaguer Delino] Deshields [Jr]."

Obviously, neither trade worked out. In the end, if this information is all true, this is obviously pretty embarrassing for the Astros.

Deadspin.com first wrote about the purportedly leaked information and reported Monday that the Astros first began using an online database for the private use of the Astros front office two years ago called "Ground Control." The interface gives Astros executives instant access to player statistics, video, and communications with other front offices around baseball. Someone obviously hacked into it.

The Stanton deal wasn't the only one the Astros purportedly discussed with the Marlins. According to the documents on Dec. 9 the Marlins reached out to Houston looking for a second or third baseman in exchange for Logan Morrison. The Marlins inquired about Jose Altuve and Matt Dominguez, who the Marlins of course traded away to Houston for Carlos Lee two years ago. The also expressed interest in right-handed pitchers Mike Foltynewicz, Lance McCullers and catcher Carlos Perez, all minor leaguers.

The Marlins ended up trading Morrison to the Mariners for reliever Carter Capps and ended up signing Rafael Furcal and Casey McGehee that winter.

UPDATE: The Houston Astros issued the following statement this afternoon:

"Last month, we were made aware that proprietary information held on Astros' servers and in Astros' applications had been illegally obtained. Upon learning of the security breach, we immediately notified MLB security who, in turn, notified the FBI. Since that time, we have been working closely with MLB security and the FBI to the determine the party, or parties, responsible. This information was illegally obtained and published, and we intend to prosecute those involved to the fullest extent.

"It is unfortunate and extremely disappointing that an outside source has illegally obtained confidential information. While it does appear that some of the content released was based on trade conversations, a portion of the material was embellished or completely fabricated."

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bob

That Carlos Lee deal, what a stupid stupid trade.

ed

this actually looks worse for the Marlins. Just shows, once again, that once a player (that should be untouchable) is ready to get a big contract, the Marlins will once again look to trade for prospects. The Marlins front office is NEVER to be trusted so long as Loria, Samson, Jennings et al are running it. They can deny it all they want...everyone knows the Astros leaked site is true.

Dionysus Thelxinoe

ed, so it took the Astros leak for you to realize that that Loria and Samson are corrupt liars? Welcome to my world.

Dionysus Thelxinoe

OK, so I read the Deadspin piece and here's my question... where's the news?

So the Astros were (and are) interested in Stanton but they were not interested in mortgaging the future to do get him. Well, then, for anybody out there who thinks like Deadspin that this is a "bombshell," here's a newsflash for you: EVERY SINGLE TEAM is interested in Stanton but not interested in mortgaging their future to do it.

Sorry, fellas but "WikiLeaks" or Edward Snowden this is not. The biggest news here for me is that the Astros' tech security is so weak.

Dionysus Thelxinoe

Brent Keys DFA'd? Seriously? Did he ask Loria for a raise or something?

I hope he signs with the Oakland A's, a team that knows the value of a good OBA.

Stan M

They dumped my pet minor leaguer. He isn't hitting a lick this year (.238) but still had of OBP of .371. I can think of a lot of other guys I would have dumped first. It must be about his back. The guy was always a hitting machine.

Here's a new guy to keep your eye on. A 22YO catcher in low A ball named Chad Wallach. His stats are terrific. A .349 BA, a .455 OBP and he has 15 doubles and 5 HRs. But what I really like is his 38 walks vs, only 26 Ks. A little power and a gap hitter who has great ball/strike judgement. Salty's contract is up in 2 more years, let's hope he's ready by then. Hope he can catch the ball. Flav, any comment?

witz

That mole hill lacks the capacity to grow into the mountain some of us are trying to make of it. I'm reminded of something Dave Dombrowski said about trade talks when he was Marlins GM.
Said he about trade talks:
"When all is said and done, there's a lot more said than done."

jmike

Stan M, Keys has zero power, no speed, and his stroke may no translate to the majors. As for the proposed trade, all clubs talk about what their players are worth in the open market. I would have to think twice about that trade btw. Springer and Correa, Springer could be just a notch under Stanton as a power hitter, or maybe as good as he matures. Correa is the the 7th best prospect in MLB, not just the Astros. He's a shortstop with power, batting, speed, and fielding. That may have not been a bad trade for the Marlins.

Dionysus Thelxinoe

Not for nothing, but I know of an experienced and well-regarded MLB scout once said that exact same thing about a Cincinnati Reds prospect - that he had no power, no speed, etc etc.

It was Pete Rose.

Dionysus Thelxinoe

That's not to imply in any fashion that Brent Keys is another Pete Rose. But it IS meant to point out that you can't measure heart and desire.

Stan M

With a huge home field, a team should do best with good pitching and defense, and the former feeds off the latter. This Marlin team is weak defensively at 2B, C, and 1B to some extent. Furthermore, the team has been assembled with hitters of consequence, but many are flawed in the same way. That is, this team, whose manager refuses to engage in any form of small ball as he should, has far too many unproductive at bats; mostly featuring a strikeout. Marisnick, for all of his flaws, showed the influence of more daring on the base paths; an ingredient that is sadly lacking.

Furcal was a mistake in many ways. However, his skill set is what this team needs and lacks. The return of Yelich will be a help, but as long as so many of our batters strike out, and clog up the bases when they are successful, this team has probably reached its potential as now constituted. Especially under this manager.

This is written in response to the post above denigrating Keys as a player with neither power nor speed. Whether or not he will ever be the hitter he was, his speed allowed him to steal bases in double figures until he had more serious back/leg problems this year. But what disturbs me is the reference to his having no power. So what! The man could get on base at a rate that no one on the ML club can even approach. My point is that this team does not need a power hitter who strikes out too much, we already have that. What this team needs is a player with a similar skill set to Keys and there aren't many around.

lex

It hurts, but the Marlins need to trade Stanton now, while he's at the top of his game and the most coveted guy in baseball. If they wait, he could go into one of his legendary funks and lose value during the second half. And if they diddle around and let him walk, this franchise will never recover.

Dionysus Thelxinoe

Stan, you're on the money with all except one technicality: Furcal's skill set on the field is but a distant memory. His new skill set is limited to cashing payroll checks.

Dionysus Thelxinoe

lex, re: "this franchise will need recover" -do you think it mattered to Loria when that very thing happened to the Montreal franchise?

Stan M

I wondered about ERA of our pitchers with Mathis or Salty. Here is an excerpt from an earlier article on Brantly, but there is some peripheral info on ERA for last year that is interesting.

Brantly’s catcher’s ERA (4.37) ranked fourth-worst in baseball among those who logged at least 2,000 plate appearances, according to baseball-reference.com. By comparison, Mathis had an ERA of 3.15. Saltalamacchia logged a catcher’s ERA of 3.86 with the Red Sox.

Stan M

I had a post pulled. I think it was because I called our beloved owner a disparaging name. My point in the post was that if this owner insists on moving Stanton no matter what, then now is the perfect time to do it. I hope that we keep him, but somehow I can picture him pulling a muscle during the HR hitting contest. If I could get that little second baseman from Houston, plus a top prospect and one of their catchers, well then maybe...

lex

DT...You misquoted me, but the answer to your question is that no, I do not think he cared. If I thought he cared, I would not be as concerned as a I am that he will blow it again.

Lou Vales

It is difficult "to measure heart and desire" but Mother Teresa of Calcutta has moved on. She did not have gap power, not much speed, a history of nagging aches and pains and she was at an age were there would not have been much tangible development.

Dionysus Thelxinoe

lex, typo, my mistake, but same point. We agree.

A Realist

I told you guys that this team would slowly begin to falter. Ownership is smiling up there. Now they don't have nearly as much pressure to go after some upgrades. Same old same old.

Stanton will be gone this offseason, if not sooner.

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