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Rest We've had a lot of back and forth between GPP readers of late so let's put this whole FIU/UM thing to rest once and for all.

Last April, I wrote on the GPP and in the Miami Herald game story after the first FIU/UM baseball game last season at University Park Stadium, that UM was going to cancel all the series in the revenue sports with FIU.

After the teams played in basketball last December in Coral Gables, I again mentioned in the MH game story that this was the last game between the schools, because UM was going to cancel all the series in the revenue sports with FIU.

And after both those stories came out, the folks in Coral Gables called to voice their displeasure saying IByrne  Biel didn't know what I was talking about.......Fast forward to last Sunday.

Now, I'm no Nicholas Cage in: (you pick the movie, "Next" or "Knowing" both have similar plots where NC can see the future and both flicks also have a lovely co-star: Jessica Biel [near left] or Rose Byrne), but I guess I knew something about this happening 11 months ago.

In last Sunday's paper, Barry Jackson had in his column someone from UM finally talking about the state of the crosstown series......Thank you Barry, Kirby and the folks from Coral Gables for validating what I wrote 11 months ago and again 3 months ago.

In case you missed it , UM AD Kirby Hocutt told Jackson: "'There's history there,'' referring to the 2006 brawl in UM's 35-0 victory. (Miami won 23-9, without incident, in 2007.) ''This particular time, it's not in Miami's best interests'' to play FIU. 'Will it change in five years? Ten years? I don't want to speculate.''

Ds C'mon, Kirby, you or the people pushing to cancel the crosstown series could have come up with a better excuse, than citing the 2006 brawl. 

For example, a better and more believable excuse than "there's history there" could have been: UM will not play FIU until they rename Dolphin Stadium to Hurricane Stadium or something like that.

Plus, you went on Joe Rose's radio show on Wednesday and said there is no bad blood between FIU and UM. So which is it? "there's history there" or no bad blood?

The brawl is a poor excuse, because the teams played with no problems in 2007 in what ended up being a two-touchdown game. Hell, even the 2 head coaches (right) embraced at midfield after the game and players from both sides were exchanging hugs and handshakes afterward.Coaches

If UM doesn't want to play FIU, then that's OK. That's the choice of the folks in Coral Gables.

About the only way the 2 teams meet from now on will be each May in an NCAA baseball regional or possibly in a bowl game with the Hurricanes rebuilding and the Panthers building. They could meet in the St. Petersburg Bowl and draw a much better crowd than the 25,000 that showed last year to see Memphis and South Florida.

Let's set aside the "There's history there". Here's why UM will not play FIU anymore:

Because there's an actual athletic threat brewing at FIU.

Comp Before the green and orange go pounding their keyboards, here's what I mean:

I'm not saying the Panthers are ready to start beating the Hurricanes on a regular basis this year or next, but give FIU another couple of years of recruiting and developing. UM will be recruiting and developing too, but here's why the series would start to even out.

Within the past 3 years, FIU hired an AD (Pete Garcia) that knows what he's doing and has made winning a priority at FIU, where before PG, I'm not sure winning was No. 1 on the to-do list under rotating FIU ADs.

FIU hired a football coach (Mario Cristobal) that brought discipline, knows how to recruit and relate to high school and college players and in just his second season tied the program-high for wins and had the Panthers in bowl contention until late November.

FIU hired the nation's top college baseball recruiter (Turtle Thomas) as its baseball head coach and he has the Panthers off to their best start (17-5) since 2002 and brought in the No. 15 recruiting class in the nation.Ttjm

When the former FIU ADs, and head coaches in football and baseball were in place, UM never felt any heat from FIU. So sure, let's play the Panthers every season -- the Hurricanes would say.

Here's an anecdote to illustrate the previous point: When the FIU baseball coaching job was open in 2007, the last person UM coach Jim Morris wanted to see take the FIU job was Turtle Thomas.

Forget about the past when they worked together, Oliver Stone is not making a movie about that and unless you are TT or JM, you don't know squat about that situation. Only those 2 guys know.

Os Here's why JM did not want TT 9 miles away coaching Division I baseball: Thomas, before FIU, had produced 19 consecutive top 10 recruiting classes at his previous stops and at FIU -- a program that has not been to an NCAA regional since 2002, TT got the No. 15 recruiting class in the nation in his first full recruiting season in 2008.

So when the FIU job was open, JM quickly recommended to FIU AD Pete Garcia to hire 1 of his 2 assistants: J.D. Arteaga or Gino DiMare -- a combined 17 years of college baseball coaching experience. At that point, TT had 31 years of college baseball coaching experience.

JD knows baseball and I'm sure JD will make a fine college baseball head coach one day, but he wasn't ready to be a head coach in 2007.

And DiMare is no longer on the UM staff,  or as Morris said, Gino wanted to spend more time with hisSvg family -- that line sounds familiar?.....

So what you have is FIU getting better football and baseball players than they ever have before and from an area (South Florida) that is a hotbed for both football and baseball talent.

You also have MC and TT recruiting the heck out of the state of Florida and all around the nation -- FIU  right-hander Tom Ebert -- he of the 1.80 ERA and 95 MPH heat -- is from Iowa by way of North Dakota. New FIU TE Dudley LaPorte, the No. 1-rated JUCO TE, is from Connecticut by way of California.

How did that quote from above go again? : "This particular time, it's not in Miami's best interests to play FIU."

UM's best interests, they have said, is to play more elite teams from around the nation and FIU is not in that category. Fair enough, after all FIU is in year 3 of Division I football and baseball had been mismanaged for some time before TT's arrival.

Yet, there is Charleston Southern and FAMU on the football schedule & St. Thomas and Barry on the baseball schedule. Not exactly top 25 competition and 3 of those 4 teams are in-state.

In the scenario of FIU beating UM, here in South Florida -- Bandwagon Capital USA -- it would not surprise to start seeing -- not the die-hard UM fans -- but the bandwagon UM fans start to take an interest in FIU and possibly even start rooting for them. It's only natural, everybody loves a winner.

Of course, there will be some who will click on the X in the right corner of their screen upon reading this Ja post or send their greetings in the comments section saying this guy might have had a little too much while writing this.

But about 11 months ago you read here how UM was going to cancel all the series with FIU and some then also clicked on the X in the right corner of their screen.

I'm not Nic Cage, but like our old GPP friend Joaquin Andujar reminded us before FIU defeated UM (right) in Coral Gables last year -- in the last baseball game the 2 teams would play: "Youneverknow".Fium 

The crosstown series matter has been put to rest on the GPP. Now you vote and decide.

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I'm acting with the same class your coach showed with his taunting dummies and cowardly attitude. Go back and check some of your previous post and exam some of the things you said. Because I can assure that I have some employees driving civics that are trying to maintain their families during these tough times that have more education than you do with your so called UM diploma. But I will apologize for my previous comment to you because I do not want to insult prostitutes.

c-UM- maybe if you read the posts you would see I asked you what have I not answered. I'm still waiting.

If he doesn;t care, why did he call UM to set up games when he knoew JM didnt want to play him? Why is PP writing this article if TT, and the rest of FIU doesn't care? Why if TT has so much class, do the fans of FIU have NO CLASS?

I hate to say it, but TheJME is right in this instance.

inspubadj, your comments are making the rest of us FIU fans look stupid.

c-UM, you really do need to read the posts before you post your own. He has answered many of your questions and asked you what else you want answered, your posts are making you look silly now.

Finally, I agree with you c-UM about TT not caring what JM does, but TheJME makes a good point, if TT and MC don't care what is going on at UCG, why are they so desparate to play them? Why does PP need to write articles and blogs about how FIU is dying to have this "rivalry" go on? Obviously UM doesn't see a rivalry, nor a money maker, it seems like only FIU and its program are dying to play UM, which is giving them the upperhand, is that really what we want the perception in the local community to be?

If FIU were smart, they would be the ones saying we don't want or need to play FIU.

Just my two cents.

UMMMMM jimmy lover, all of the FIU fans have class. Just come out to any baseball game and see the difference. You wont find our team chanting F-Jim Morris. And TT was just trying to give the fans what they wanted and keep the rivalry alive. Doing things for the people, not himself (too bad Chinless Jim isnt the same way; he all about himself). FIU isnt scared, your boyfriend is.

How many times would you like me to post them? When i respond to your (Worthless) post, i make sure to respond to every point you TRIED to make. You on the other hand have avoided mine and just respond with a completely different topic. Typical response of a LOSER.

1) written March 30th (Never answered): "How many CWS has JM won since all of TT's recruited players were gone?"

2) Why has TT been able to get to the CWS (and win at the CWS) before, during, and after JM, whereas JM cannot say the same???

3) Why does JM have "starts with Z and ends with "ero"" class?

Just a few to start with...

FIU Dad-

"TheJME makes a good point, if TT and MC don't care what is going on at UCG, why are they so desparate to play them?"

first off, let me start by saying that Jimmy Lover NEVER makes a good point. Dont be confused.

Secondly, TT and MC have shown their willingness to play UM so much because in true UM fashion, they try to manipulate the story making it seem that either FIU would not like to play them or it is a mutual decision. FIU would like to leave no doubt in the publics mind and let everyone know that we are willing to play UM and are not scared. We believe in our teams and step up to any competition/challenge presented to us. We dont try to schedule around situations because of fear, or what it could possibly do to us.

I beleive I have responded to these, but I will do it again for you.

In response to 1) - I'm going to say 1 b/c I do not know who was a TT recruit or who wasn;t on the 2001 team, neither do you, and since TT was not there in 2000 or 2001 - my answer is 1.

In response to 2) - I don't have an answer b/c it is a trick question. As far as i am concerned, TT has never gotten to a CWS. You need to be the head coach in order to get that label from me. JM has been there with out TT, 2001 (win) and got there, I beleive, in 2007 and 2008 without TT.

In response to 3) - He does have class. His players are kids who are 18-21 years old who were chanting and letting their emotions get the best of them. I think class should be evaluated on more than incidents of players chanting and not shaking the hand of someone you do not like.

Is that sufficient?

FIU Dad-

get out of here with that. He hasnt answered not one of my questions. He responds with something completely different.

Maybe you should read the post before you post. And maybeeeee, you should keep your same screen name and not try to look like you are some sort of FIU fan backing up this JIMMY LOVER!

Excuse me sir, I bleed blue and gold just like you, but unlike you, I am able to read through the BS and see who is right and who is wrong. In my previous post I poined out that both of you were right in some regards.

As for your most recent post, it looks to me like TheJME answered your questions, so what are you so upset about?

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

this the 1st attempt you've had at #1 out of all of my post asking... and look at the response, "I'm going to say 1 b/c I do not know who was a TT recruit or who wasn;t on the 2001 team"...HAHAHAHA! I know who was 100%. Lets just make it an easy response and say all juniors and seniors (But we could get into detail another time if you would like).

#2 - he got there after being on a team that TT put together. He only won with TT's players, so it looks like he needed TT to get there because he couldnt do it before being united with him at UM (TT also gave him his best season at Ga. Tech, coincidence??? i think not)... As for your very ignorant having to be a head coach comment, nobody cares what your concerns are, the record books say different buddy.

#3 - Class would have been to reprimand them and stop the chanting (which neither was done). Class would be to be the bigger man in front of children and families and show sportsmanship by shaking hands (which TT did). We could get into some personal things that would show his true class but i wont do that on here... And dont make me bring up cheating because I can sit you down with enough players to fill up your fingers and toes that will tell you about how the cheating went down.

The real question is "why is JM so mad at TT anyways??? JM is the one who screwed TT (after TT got him the job)... Its JM's signature move. He cares about nobody but himself. He did the same to Lazer, Gino Dimare, and even one year (recently) tried to do the same to JD when he tried to blame him for their poor season(the year where they barely made the regionals). Sounds like an honorable guy to me. Man i can see why your in love with him and would like to have his baby. You can have him!

Now take your JM comments and your jimmy loving self back to the worthless UM blogs...

Excuse me, that was the first time he attempted to answer them and still provided some bs answer where he tried to re-word things and manipulate the response (TYPICAL UM FASHION once again).

If you can go back through his post and show me where he answered my EXACT question, without re-wording it or without giving some other criteria, then i will apologize to you. But you wont be able to, so you are incorrect here. Re-read through the bs

FIUDad=CrazyCane

for sure

no who would go through all that trouble to blog from different IP addresses to conceal their identity....hmmmmmmmm

scUM would.


FIUDad haha yea right, nice try...JME face it, Miami def wants to see a FIU vs. UM match up. But i think PP has made great points & to me its obvious UCG is scared...Anyway, one more thing....What kind of experience did u have with JM anyway? Hahaha

Hahahaha Experienced with Jimmy Morris, get out of here. You're wasting space in our blog. Please go type your nonsense in Traitor Navarro's blogs.

Hope everything works out with you man, Jimmy.

sincerely,
franky the cat

*good try with the FIUDad thing, but you came up short. You must be used to that by now though, coming up short

Great Job Pete- I love how UM fans call us bottom dwellers. Funny because I dont see them at the top of the All Children's Conference.

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