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Panthers GameNight from the Keystone State: The Other Pitt Panthers ... Florida @ Pittsburgh, 7:30 p.m. FSN

Wannstedt PITTSBURGH -- Two teams going in opposite directions meet up tonight in the Igloo.

The Penguins, your defending Stanley Cup champs, have won eight of their first nine and whose 33 goals are third-best in the east.

Things haven't gone as well for the Panthers. Florida has lost five of its past seven and its 15 goals (not counting the one awarded for the shootout) is second-lowest in the league.

Florida is also the only team in the league whose leading scorer (six guys with two goals) only has two goals.

Coach Pete DeBoer has mixed up the lines and is hoping and praying this team starts converting on their chances. A lot of guys have been harping on the Panthers outshooting the Sabres in Wednesday's 5-2 loss, but truthfully, the Panthers didn't even start testing Ryan Miller until they were already down 3-0.

Florida desperately needs a quick start tonight, and they have shocked the Pens before here. But the Pens are so good right now, the Panthers could play a perfect game and still lose by three. If the Panthers don't show up, well, it'll be ugly.

-- Panthers coach Dave Wannstedt (or maybe it was DeBoer) said goalie Tomas Vokoun would start tonight against the Cup champion Penguins (8-1-0).

''We need a win,'' he said.

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Surprisingly, I agree with that decision. Let Vokoun, once and for all, establish his position as the Panthers starting goalie or play himself out of town. It won't happen in one game but it's a start.

I agree with you GP.

How long until he gets the hook???

I'd be willing to bet he boucnes back and has a big game. 2-1 Panthers.... I hope....

Vokoun has been playing great this season, the rest of the team hasn't shown up yet. I really am sick and tired of hearing everyone blame Vokoun for our team woes, seriously this guy stands on his head game in and game out and because he lets in a soft goal after 50+ shots, people want to throw him to the wolves because we stink.

The only impressive stat last game was that we actually took shots on goal.

David - 1 GP - 0....Vokoun is far from the problem with this team. Regardless of salary. What would be resolved if we traded him during the season? Pick up a mid tier prospect and a 2nd? And play Clemmenson?? Ek! MAYBE at the deadline if you can get a 1st and knowing you have Markstrom coming in. On that note, I don't have the most confidence in Clemmenson. I think he's a goalie who shined in a defensive system. He'll be a let down.

I hate to say this, but Vokoun has been a big problem. Yes, of course the team can play better in front of him. But he has to help himself. Letting unscreened slapshots from bad angles go through (St. Louis), whiffing on a long range slap shot that was going wide and redirecting it in the net (Buffalo)... he "stands on his head" because he's so badly out of position at times, he has to flop around just to make what should be routine saves. He's the goalie. When he makes a mistake, it's magnified, so of course it's easy to point a finger at him. But he's making an awful lot of them... there's a reason Anderson played so much down the stretch last year.

That being said, there aren't a lot of options for fixing it. He's one of the highest paid guys on the team, so it would be hard to bench him. And he's signed to a ridiculous contract no one in their right mind would be willing to trade for.

Vokoun has had to stop of a virtual shooting gallery. Look at the shot counts the first few games: 52, 40+ every night. No goalie in the league is going to put up good numbers when they have to face so many shots.

Scoring is a numbers game: throw enough pucks at the net and some of them are going to go in. That is a mathematical fact. Granted, some of Vokoun's poor goals have come at inopportune moments but to say that he has been the source of our pathetic start would not be fair. This team has so few scorers that soon we're going to be running the Wildcat!

WHEN YOUR TEAM CAN'T SCORE MORE THAN TWO GOALS, THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE GOALTENDER.

SAME PROBLEM AS LAST YEAR. NO GOAL SCORING!

BOOTH IS STILL ON VACATION. STILLMAN IS READY FOR RETIREMENT. HORTON FORGOT HOW TO SCORE LAST YEAR AND IT CONTINUES.

SCORING ONLY TWO GOALS IN A GAME IS A RECIPE FOR LOSING. ON TOP OF THAT THE DEFENSE SUCKS AND MAKES THE GOALTENDER'S JOB IMPOSSIBLE.

SCORING GOALS REQUIRES HIGH END TALENT AND NOT THE 2ND LINERS WE PASS OFF AS 1ST LINE PLAYERS

UNFORTUNATELY HIGH END TALENT COSTS MONEY AND VOKOUN'S CONTRACT IS IN THE WAY. BUT LET'S JUST IGNORE THAT BECAUSE TYPING IN CAPS AUTOMATICALLY MEANS MY ARGUMENT IS MORE VALID THAN YOURS.

This team lacks scoring and playmaking talent. Sexton needs to wake up and make a trade. Vokoun=Clem, doesn't matter whose in the net, because the team won't play for either. I only support the decision for Vokoun tonight becuase if he plays well tonight, it enhances his trade value.

We need to socre goals. Tired of the Vokoun issue. If this team would learn how to keep pressure in the offensive zone and take some shots, things could be different.

Every goalie gives up softies. Rememeber solongo? he did the same.
Wake up everyone, it's the lack of offense.
Oh, yea, throwing a body check once in awhile wouldn't hurt either

Nice spot on 105.9 GR. :)

I guess that loss was Vokoun's fault as well? God the Panther forwards SUCK. Booth has been stoned on what 4-5 breakaways this year? Heaven forbid they score some goals to support their goalie.

gotta give Vokun his props. Surely not his fault on that tying goal, went off Crosby ass, fault goes to Olescz. Penelties goin catch up with all season long

I want the panthers to either be really good or really bad... at least if we are really bad we will get good players in the draft just like the penguins. Although I'm sure the panthers management will mess it up somehow...

Head panthers guy "oh look this guy is better than Crosby"

Other panthers guy "nah, lets draft the bag of hockey pucks over there"

First panthers guy "SWEET!"

I said it above hours ago. I questioned Vokoun. Tonight, he's the reason we got a point. This team is not going to win games 5-4, 6-3. It's going to need solid goaltending and a few bounces to win 2-1, 3-2 games. Ugly hockey. We got a point tonight, I guess that's a positive against a team that's only lost once this season. If Vokoun plays like this, like we know he can, he has my vote.

Up-To-Date
Stat to watch as the season wears on.
As of 1AM on 10/24/09.
Vokoun $5.7mil 7GP 1-5-1 3.39GA .912%SP 0SHT
Anderson $1.5mil 10GP 7-1-2 2.25GA .929%SP 1SHT
Clemmensen $1.0mil 2GP 1-0-0 3.87GA .867%SP 0SHT
Reach your own conclusion on the key personnel decision of this past off-season.

if you only score 2 goals a game and give up 40 plus shots you have the following problems:

your goalie has to be perfect if not then you lose, this puts too much pressure on the goalies

your defense does not produce enough offense, the teams that win have defensemen that move the puck up the ice and keep the puck out of the zone

our forwards are not finishers and when they get shots they try to be perfect instead of just playing the game

one-on-one battles, how many battles does this team lose (way too many) why because we don't have the skill or the size to win these battles and the one player that does (Horton) doesn't want to get into the areas necessary to win the battles

at the end of the day it doesn't matter if you have the 5 greatest goalies of all time with the players in front of them that the panthers have it means if you give up 2 goals we lose because we can't score more than 2 goals and we can't score in the shoot out

Watch how hard Crosby worked and ask yourself who on the panthers works that hard and you can only come up with Booth who is not as talented.

There was one play in the 2nd period where there was a lose puck and Crosby passed 3 panthers to get to the puck.

without players that can control the puck and/or forecheck we will continue to play most of the games in our own end which means more shots against and no chance to score


ant,

The Panthers have had some really high draft picks with no talent. DO we really want to depend on them to draft well? Because they passed up on Eric Staal, Ignlia, just about every good scorer in the NHL. these guys have no scouting ability.

Should Clemmensen be 1-1-0, GP? He did technically lose that Buffalo game.

Vokoun played really well last night and I agree it got us the point. But once again we couldn't hold the lead. At the same time we held the hot Pens, defending Champs, to 2 goals. Our guys should have gotten that 3rd goal like DB said after the game.

It's good to get a point against a team that is clearly leagues better than we are though.

bssb, I think Clemmensen didn't get tagged with the loss because he wasn't in net for the game-winning goal. The final was 5-2, making the third Buffalo goal the GWG. It was the first one Vokoun gave up :(

I think the Panthers should instead of bringing Garrison up... Bring up Mattias, and let him play some offense while Koistenan goes back to the defense. This could generate some more offense on both sides of the game.

Once again, Panthers bring up Garrison to take Allen's place. Ugh!

We need Allen to drop the gloves! Soupy is scrappy--but Allen can knock out teeth:)

The NHL officially gave the Buffalo lost to TiVo, reasoning I don't know.

We let this go...............

CRAIG ANDERSON, G, COLORADO AVALANCHE
Anderson recorded four consecutive road victories with a 2.20 goals-against average and .928 save percentage as the Avalanche improved to 6-1-1 and first place in the Northwest Division. Anderson began the week with a sweep of Northeast Division opponents, recording 29 saves in a 4-3 win over the Boston Bruins Oct. 12, turning aside 30 of 31 shots in a 4-1 victory over the Toronto Maple Leafs Oct. 13 and making 29 saves in a 3-2 win over the Montreal Canadiens Oct. 15. He finished the week by stopping 28 shots and two of three shootout attempts in a 4-3 victory over the Detroit Red Wings Oct. 17. Anderson has started all eight games for the Avalanche this season, posting a 6-1-1 record with a 2.09 goals-against average, .935 save percentage and one shutout.

Ant- where have you been the past 10 years? The time to win is now...and they're not winning!

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