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The Day After: Gators-Canes still on the brain

Florida coach Urban Meyer did not have a Sunday teleconference today. A spokesman for the Gators told me receiver Carl Moore's diagnoses on Sunday is still a "hip pointer."

GAINESVILLE -- Here are some random thoughts popping into focus as I watch the NFL today, reflect on last night's game and flip through the pages of my reporter's notebook...

--I used to like Brett Favre.

--Why was Florida tackle Phil Trautwein flagged for that personal-foul penalty? I couldn't figure it out from the press box. Whatever the reason, it ruined the Gators' momentum in the first quarter.

--Trautwein's personal-foul penalty wasn't as costly as the one charged to UM lineman Orlando Franklin at the end of the first half. It led to Jeffrey Demps' blocked punt.

--Florida receiver Louis Murphy apologized after the game for his smack talk earlier in the week. I don't know what to think about this. On one hand, it seems commendable. On the other hand, it's not like Murphy called out someone's mom. Whatever...

--Florida free safety Major Wright only had two tackles.

--Florida strong safety Ahmad Black appeared to hold his own against Miami's athletic skill players.

--Miami's only scoring drive featured a Wondy moment. Does anyone remember this? I had to chuckle a little bit in the press box.

--Florida tight end Aaron Hernandez said after the game that he was benched for the season opener because he didn't practice hard enough the week before Hawaii. Yeah, right...

--Linebackers: How many future first-round picks were on Florida Field last night? Two, I say. Florida middle linebacker Brandon Spikes and UM freshman reserve linebacker Sean Spence.

--The fourth quarter was Tebow time. That's a good sign for the Gators.

--Several reporters who cover Miami keep telling me that Florida will lose at least two games this season. Doesn't say much for Miami, I guess. I thought the Canes were pretty good.

--UM quarterbacks Robert Marve and Jacory Harris are both going to be excellent. Will one transfer?

--Tebow has 130 pass attempts without an interception, a new Florida record. Danny Wuerffel held the previous record at 121 pass attempts.

--Florida has not committed a turnover in each of its last four games.

--Florida had five penalties for 35 yards. Not bad for the Gators. One of those penalties was on redshirt sophomore guard Marcus Gilbert (Fort Lauderdale St. Thomas Aquinas), who filled in for Jim Tartt. Meyer said he wants to get Tartt back into the line-up as soon as possible.

--The Gators started the second half with two fruitless offensive drives. Tebow appeared to be pretty frustrated after the second drive. He was seen on the sidelines screaming at Meyer to leave the offense on the field for a fourth-and-two from the UF 48. Meyer punted.

-jo-

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Wright didn't have many tackles, b/c the Linebackers cleaned everything upfront and their O rarely made it into the Secondary.

I'm surprised you haven't mentioned anything about Shannon pissing and moaning about that late FG today. Randy, the game's over and you can't spin that FG for your S FL recruits. They saw you lose firsthand and what a real college football atmosphere is like.

I'm sick and tired of all the Cane fans complaining about it today. THE GAME IS OVER AND YOU LOST-- Get over it.

[The rest of this post was deleted by this blog's author. Gumby, this is a sports blog!]

What, I can't talk smack like the rest of the posters?

GumbyGator, this is an article from todays paper, I have copied just a small part to answer your stupid recruit remark. Recruits want to play in a pro style O not a Florida original spread run QB O, the Gators won this game but there is always the future. And the U's future looks bright. Maybe we will meet again in a bowl game.

By Michael Cunningham | South Florida Sun-Sentinel
2:11 PM EDT, September 7, 2008
CORAL GABLES - Miami coach Randy Shannon said the 26-3 loss at Florida on Saturday boosted his recruiting, and not just because the Hurricanes competed for three quarters as heavy underdogs.

Shannon didn't mention Florida coach Urban Meyer's name, but implied that Meyer's decision to kick a field goal in the final seconds fired up some UM recruits who called him after the game.

Here's a little tidbit for you TXCane, the Gators moved to #4 in the AP poll, I guess that final field goal fired up more people than just the recruits that ALREADY committed to the U. I'm just curious, is Jacory Harris not a better runner than passer???? I do believe I heard that comment being made when he was in the game, so does that really make him a traditional pro style QB running a pro style O??? I DON'T THINK SO! By the way, the Gators have had a top 3 recruiting class 3 years in a row, so I don't think the style of offense has affected recruiting AT ALL.

You moved to 4 because Ohio St. should of lost.

Jacory Harris is not a runner that is why he went to Miami. He is the all time Florida passing leader and Marve is number 2.

There is a difference in recruiting classes and recruiting classes out of South Florida. South Florida high school football is the best in the country, and Miami has locked it up.

The Gators won the game and are a better team, but let the season play out and see what happens. Maybe they will meet in a Bowl game.

I love when fans think a loss improves their recruiting...sounds so Zook. I've already said that if Miami plays in ACC championship game (not win, just make the game), Shannon will have a good story to tell recruits. At this point, Urban will only lose the recruits that were already Canes fans before this game (which isn't really losing them...just not making headway). Any recruit that is "on the fence" will be leaning Gator after this game if they attended in person, but it is a long season and either team could potentially tank or shine in next 10 weeks to impact recruiting! Can't protect a 4-5 loss season by saying "we have a coach with more class who doesn't kick last minute FG's"...but Coach, what about the 5 losses?? Recruits don't care about FG's...it's Shannon's spin on the loss. BTW, S FL 2009 class isn't as talented as 2008, so we won't see the Canes getting a Top 5 class anyhow.

I've never liked the "wait till next year" and the "future looks bright" statements for any team (let alone the Canes). I said those type of quotes under both Zook and even Urban's first year in 2005 everyone was saying this 2008 year would be the "best Gator team ever" because the "future is so bright" and now all know the Gators aren't as good as we thought they would be (at least so far...).

BTW, did anyone read that the Canes actually have a more experienced team than Gators? Most Gator starters are only Sophomores, while Canes are Jr's + Sr's. Somone on GatorCountry went through the entire roster of both teams AND the Starters and showed the Canes have more Seniority. In Canes defense, most of their "better" players are Freshman, but I found that very interesting analysis that GAtors are a younger team!

We all heard at nauseum how young the Canes are and how experienced the Gators are. Is that really the case? Here is a breakdown of the starters last night:

Miami-----------------------------------UF
Offense---------------------------------Offense
Sr-3---------------------------------- Sr5
Jr-4-------------------------------------Jr-2
So-3------------------------------------So-3
Fr-1-------------------------------------Fr-1


Defense---------------------------------Defense
Sr-4------------------------------------Sr-0
Jr-4-------------------------------------Jr-3
So-2------------------------------------So-8
Fr-1 ------------------------------------Fr-0

Miami starters------------------FL Starters
Sr-7------------------------------------Sr-5
Jr-8-------------------------------------Jr-5
So-5------------------------------------So-11
Fr-2------------------------------------Fr-1

This does not just apply to starters either. Very interesting.

Thanks, Goody for putting little gumby in his place.

little gumby, we are over the loss. The gators are a better team.

Where did the other 24 points go ? Did you lose them ? I thought the gators were going to win by 50 points. The gators have a great team. Don't worry about the CANES, they will be just fine.

Thanks, Goody and Navarro for getting all the controversy started. Goody, you've been covering the gators and always comparing them to the canes from pre-season to now. It's interesting how you all had plenty of coverage when Murphy talked trash but it's not important or ho hum when he apologized. It's also interesting how neither of you want to take credit for Randy Shannon coming into the game with the mindset that Meyer wanted to run up the score on his team. It is very interesting none of the other sports reporters had reported this. Would Shannon have been so upset if someone hadn't said Meyer had planned on ruts before hand? Additionally, I like how both canes and noles are talking about how classless the field goal was yet, the handshake was justified. Remember canes fans, when the Noles baseball coach doesn't shake your baseball coach's hand it's not classless but justified.

You cannot spell wanker without the U. Way to go Gators. UM played pretty hard for 3 1/4s...then they got tired.

......and for the Italian Cane...please stop embarrassing Italians...just say you are from the U, and stop degrading Italians by your association with them.

We all heard at nauseum how young the Canes are and how experienced the Gators are. Is that really the case? Here is a breakdown of the starters last night:

Miami-----------------------------------UF
Offense---------------------------------Offense
Sr-3---------------------------------- Sr5
Jr-4-------------------------------------Jr-2
So-3------------------------------------So-3
Fr-1-------------------------------------Fr-1


Defense---------------------------------Defense
Sr-4------------------------------------Sr-0
Jr-4-------------------------------------Jr-3
So-2------------------------------------So-8
Fr-1 ------------------------------------Fr-0


Miami starters------------------FL Starters
Sr-7------------------------------------Sr-5
Jr-8-------------------------------------Jr-5
So-5------------------------------------So-11
Fr-2------------------------------------Fr-1

This does not just apply to starters either. Very interesting.

???? Confused by your last comment this does not just apply to starters either, YOUR WHOLE COMMENT APPLIED TO STARTERS DUMB@$$.

Just cause someone started the game, doesn't mean that they played the majority of plays on the field, simply means that they were the player at that position on the first play. Spence didn't start, but he had a good game for us. Its more about PT then starting.

....... you are partially right BonoCane...the UF 2nd team is probably younger than UM also. Calm yourself after losing...You will need that skill.

....... you are partially right BonoCane...the UF 2nd team is probably younger than UM also. Calm yourself after losing...You will need that skill.

Why was it ok for UM to run it up on Tex A&M last year? I believe they were trying to score with the game well in hand.

Why was it ok for UM to run it up on Tex A&M last year? I believe they were trying to score with the game well in hand.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/scores107/107263/NCAAF763412.h

Here is the link. Up by 21 points with 2:00 left in the game. Kicked a field goal. Shannon is a hypocrite!

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/scores107/107263/NCAAF763412.h

Here is the link. Up by 21 points with 2:00 left in the game. Kicked a field goal. Shannon is a hypocrite!

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/scores107/107263/NCAAF763412.h

Here is the link. Up by 21 points with 2:00 left in the game. Kicked a field goal. Shannon is a hypocrite!

TXcane, just because he's the all time passing leader MEANS NOTHING. Tebow was the all time passing leader when he left high school, and what kind of QB is he????

ItalianCane, you may be over the game, but take a look at some of the cane forums. 98% of Cane fans are still crying about bad calls, and the late field goal, it's kind of sickening seeing it. I've never seen such a huge amount of crybabies in my entire life. Unfortunately, we'll never hear the end of it, just like the OSU game. Cane fans are the BIGGEST sore losers in college football, especially in a game they were supposed to lose. It's ridiculous!

I still remember when the Canes lost in the Championship game to Alabama and the local TV station went to the airport to cover the team's return to Miami Airport. Neeless to say, I would say "at best" 10 fans were there to greet their team. I was so embarrsed for their program. As a teenager, that's when I knew this program didn't have the fan support and fanbase was mostly "fair weather" fans.

Danny good post..this makes Shannon look like a full on dork:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/scores107/107263/NCAAF763412.htm


Danny good post..this makes Shannon look like a full on dork:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/scores107/107263/NCAAF763412.htm


Danny good post..this makes Shannon look like a full on dork:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/scores107/107263/NCAAF763412.htm


gatoralum

We both have children among our fan bases. Look at that " gumby" character. He is upset because CANE fans are upbeat despite losing to the gators. Question, why are we upbeat ? Because we played a great gator team tough for 3 quarters. This is a compliment to your team. No, we are not in the gator's league right now, again, this is a compliment to UF.

Any calls in the game would be completely inconsequential if our offense was worth a damn.

The " gumby's" of the gator world will attack me for this, but I for one believe the CANES will have a nice season, based on what I saw Saturday night.

regist7,

Reporters didn't give UM any credit? Are you serious? Ummm, did you even read the lead (first sentence) of my game story? The two columns by Israel and Cote?

About Murphy apologizing...What, do you want me to write, a big headline and post about some apology? I don't even think the guy did anything wrong to begin with.

What Murphy should have done: Catch his touchdown in the fourth quarter, the one that ended all chances of a UM comeback, and then made the 'U' sign in the end zone.

-jo-

Is it possible Percy Harvin will be a first round NFL selection whenever he leaves UF?

I think the verdict is still out on whether or not Harvin will be a first-round pick. I've spoken with a few NFL people about the topic and NFL scouts and GMs are very interested to see how Harvin returns from his heel injury. Rest assured, NFL teams will fully research the topic.

That said, if Harvin returns to full health and quickness, then he should be a first-round pick.

What part of Germany are you in, Germany Gator?

-jo-

Shannon a hypocrite? Please, let's look at that Texas A&M game. 2 minutes left, they are inside the 20 yard line, what should they do? Texas A&M had scored 10 unanswered points in the 4th, 2 minutes left you can't run the clock out like Urban could have. Texas A&M fought til the end and scored a touchdown with 5 seconds left. Completely different then kicking a field goal with 23 seconds left. Doesn't even compare. It was just classless what Meyer did being able to run the clock down, that is all. I really just think it shows you what kinda person he is, and let's see how that effects him come February. We will just see.

Cane fans. Keep excited about scoring 3 points, totaling 140 yards in offense, getting sacked 3 times, and not crossing the 50 yard line in the 2nd half.

I like Many Shannon trying to put a spin on the late fg, saying it helped him with recruiting. lol. ok sir.

Getting "excited" about those stats gets our coaches fired, not help them recruit.

By the way, how did Miami get to be so crappy anyway? At least in the 90's they could blame it on probation.

Have fun playing at Joe Robbie guys. try not to trip on third base when running to the end zone, if you remember what one looks like.

I'm not upset about Canes fans being upbeat about their future...I do think they have something to be excited about, but it is a long season and it's so early in the seasn-- that excitement could change with a few more losses.

I AM upset about all the Cane fans complaing about the late FG, bad officiating, etc. You should be upset about your own team, not try to pass the blame. When Gator fans lose, we complain about our own team, our own coaches, etc. Heck, even when we win, we complain about our team and coaches.

Completely another topic, but you know whose having the last laugh about the Gator Offense this year? My boy Chris Leak. That guy got so much criticism about not being the right fit for Urban's offense, and now that Urban has all his pieces in place, his offense still is stinking up the joint. Chris-- enjoy your BCS and SEC ring, and Gator Nation always loves you.

Every coach would say the game helped recruiting. If I were the coach, and not a single recruit talked to me after the game I still would have gotten up and said that a whole bunch of recruits called in. Shannon is trying to keep people from jumping ship... he is just playing the recruiting game. You can't fault him for that.

As for running up the score with the last minute field goal... I wouldn't consider it running up the score. Florida was about to end their second game without their 1st year starting kicker having even attempted a field goal. You have to get the guy out there to get a true attempt in a game situation.

Any news on why Moody has gone 2 games now and only taken 2 snaps? Florida needs a guy who can run up the middle consistently, and Moore just doesn't seem to be that guy.

To DumbCane aka U2Cane

It is not just the starters where the Gators are younger either. While I haven't broken down each scholly roster, our 08,07 and 06 commit lists were 22, 27, 27, with very few not making it in. This represents our TFR, RFR/TSPH , and RSPH/TJR classes. That is about 76. Comparably, the ewe had 33,19, and 22..or 74 total (to the extent they signed NQ it would be less). Other than to say their last FR class was bigger, how can they be much younger???

From a starters perspective, the Gators are clearly younger and for the roster in general the Gators are likely to be about as young or younger on average...

The Canes have a Pop Warner offense and a coach in WAY over his head.

Randy Shannon=Ron Zook without the emotion

Shannon coached SCARED and didnt coach to win. He is nutless.

Lets just move on and talk about our team and let the Canes hype continue until they play out this year and realize they have a crap head coach. Please keep that scrub FOREVER!

Once Percy is fully back this offense will go. The Gators just need to get healthy after an offseason of many major injuries. CI was a HUGE loss.

Our defense still has not been tested. We played a weak offense in Hawaii and a much weaker offense, bordering on Pop Warner offense in Miami. We still dont know how good/bad our defense is.

I do know this. We dont need our offense to be world beaters to win. We have a complete team. Offense, defense and an amazing special teams. Every game from here on out we should have a major punt return or punt block or kickoff return. This is the best special teams in the country. In games where our offense just doesnt have it (and it happens every year to every team) our D and special teams can carry us.

Now that we have the cupcakes off the schedule lets start the real football and the SEC.

Here is another breakdown of the Canes and Gator youth. Are the Canes that much younger than the Gators or is it blind BS?

Here is the breakdown for anyone that hears this bunk from the Miami faithful.

UF Starters
SR - 4
JR - 7
SO - 11
FR - 0

UF Participants
SR - 7
JR - 9
SO - 10
FR - 8

UF Combined – Total starters & participants 56
SR - 11
JR - 16
SO - 21
FR - 8

UM Starters
SR - 8
JR - 5
SO - 6
FR - 3

UM Participants
SR - 12
JR - 8
SO - 5
FR - 15

UM Combined – Total starters & participants 62
SR - 20
JR - 13
SO - 11
FR - 18

So, Miami played 33 upper classmen to Florida’s 27 and 29 underclassmen to Florida’s 29. Miami played more Freshmen than Florida but they also played significantly more Seniors that Florida. Miami should stop trying to use Youth as an excuse.

The Canes suck. How pathetic do you have to be as a program to be proud of "only" losing 26-3?

In related news, Randy Shannon looks absolutely lost on the sideline. He has the blank stare of a guy that got Burger Flipper Extraordinaire on the career tests in high school. He'll be fired by 2010, but I kind of hope he sticks around. I like UM being terrible. I also like when they have to try to win a moral argument because their football team is so bad. Here's a hint, UM fans: you didn't get the moniker Thug U for having the moral high ground.

From a starters perspective, the Gators are clearly younger and for the roster in general the Gators are likely to be about as young or younger on average...

Posted by: Here U go DumbCane | September 08, 2008 at 02:20 PM

HAHA, you looked at a commit list to prove a point. Duh! Why not take a look at the current roster, players move. Shannon cleaned house on many of those guys.

and CanesYouth? thank you for breaking all that down, now if a guy played 1 play in the game did you count him? I'm just saying, some of our seniors are starters, but rarely play after that. Whatever the case, our future looks bright and I am sure your future is also.

It really doesn't matter, the game is over. You guys won, and deserve all the credit. Who cares if Meyer kicked a field goal (my guess is some of the recruits will). I find it funny that I almost went to UF, but am glad I didn't now. And I thought Florida State fans were dumb and made no sense.............

Italian Cane, I know a compliment when I see one, and it's good to see a respectable Cane fan. I don't disagree with you, the Canes played great, and have a bright future. There's no reason both teams can't be great, and meet for the title every year. Imagine that!

U2cane, are you SERIOUSLY sitting there acting like the Canes have never run up the score??? I really hope you're not that much of a hypocrite!

U2cane, are you SERIOUSLY sitting there acting like the Canes have never run up the score??? I really hope you're not that much of a hypocrite!

Posted by: GatorAlum | September 08, 2008 at 07:19 PM

Never said we haven't done it in the past, and that doesn't make it right. Just that I think that it will hurt Urban in recruiting. I would have had my guys take the knee if I was coach. That field goal didn't get you over Ohio State, their shitty play against Ohio U did that. It could lose you some recruits. I just think it was a no win thing to do.

Randy Shannon was asked about the Red Zone Sunday morning and responded with:

"The what"?

u2cane,

If you dont like the Tex Am example, how about this one:

Up 45-7 over Charlston, 4:00 or so left in the game, Miami goes for it on 4TH AND 3, proceeds from there to score ANOTHER TD.

I'm sure you fine upstanding sportsmen from Miami have a good EXCUSE for that also. Hypocrites and crybabies, thats what I see.

all UM fans talk about the future this and the future that .. well i have news for all of you! the GATORS have ranked better every year in recruiting except for last year! therefore if "the who's?" future is bright, then the GATORS future is even brighter! just b/c tebow is leaving, doesnt mean that we dont have cam newton and john brant back there to replace him. also in 2010 we have trey burton coming on and look for that man to be a FORCE. percy will probly leave this year along with murph but we still got riley coop deonte carl moore aaron hernandez rainey demps moody (WE ARE STACKED) ... the gators dline is younger than taht of the canes. our DBs are young as well and the future looks right there as well with janoris and will hill. LB we have hicks aj jones brendan beal. let me not forget about the oline. the pouncey twins, james wilson, gilbert ... again, for every1 saying that the canes are stacked just remember that the GATORS are more stacked! :)

Best of luck to Percy and his healing process. He's done more than most for the UF football program. I am in Heidelberg in west central Germany. There are more Gator fans in the Army overseas than you might imagine. GG.

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