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Meyer makes final pitch to recruits

GAINESVILLE -- Across the country, college football coaches are delivering their closing arguments this week to the remaining high school football prospects not yet committed. In other words, millionaire coaches are spending thousands of university dollars (or UAA dollars) to fly all over the South in an attempt to further confuse teenagers.

--On Monday, Urban Meyer and running backs coach Kenny Carter visited Escambia running back Trent Richardson. Richardson, committed to Alabama, is considered one of the best running back prospects in the nation. While UF has plenty of running backs, the thought here is that, well, UF needs more running backs.

--Last week, Meyer flew to Maryland for an in-home visit with linebacker Jelani Jenkins. Keep an eye on this kid. Coaches refer to him as a natural-born leader. Coming to Florida Field next season, a defense that features three players with the Jenkins surname: Jelani, Janoris and Moses.

--Speaking of surnames, if UF signs Columbus, Ga., linebacker Jarvis Jones, then UF will have four players with that family name. The others are A.J., Bryan and John.

--For the fourth consecutive year, it appears Florida coach Urban Meyer isn't going to sign any players from Miami-Dade County. If that wasn't upsetting enough for South Florida Gators fans, there is a chance UF's five-year streak of signing at least one player from Broward County could also end. UF currently does not have any commitments from Broward County. Denard Robinson of Deerfield Beach could keep the streak alive, however, if he chooses UF over Michigan. Robinson played quarterback for the Bucks but would likely play receiver or cornerback if he signed with UF.

--UF only has 16 commitments, is anyone a bit worried about this? By comparison, Tennessee already has 19 commitments. Tennessee, by the way, finished the 2008 season 5-7. Around the SEC East, Vanderbilt has 17 commitments, South Carolina has 26 commitments, Georgia has 17 commitments and Kentucky has 26 commitments.

--Don't look now but Louisiana State (21 commitments) might end up with the SEC's best recruiting class of 2009. The Tigers are loaded down with future stars, including quarterback Russell Shepard of Houston and safety Craig Loston of Aldine, Texas. Homegrown superstars include defensive back Janzen Jackson and defensive tackle Chris Davenport, a 6-4, 318-pound monster.

-jo-

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Bryan Pata for MVP

Posted by: GumbyGator | January 24, 2009 at 05:30 PM


Another example of the bitchazzness that gaytor fans have inside of them. Ay gumby gator keep throwing dirt on the dead!!

If Edwin Pata saw you in real life you would be a DEAD MAN!!!!!

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't UF just win an NC. Goody in my opinion, I think the kids see Urban's offense for what it is. A gimmick offense that won't help them get to the next level. Tebow won two NC's a hiesman trophy and still didn't leave to the NFL. Do U think kids are looking at that and saying whoa if the best player UF has had EVER can't make it in the NFL then how could I? Why would running back Trent Richardson play for UF. The receivers on the team are the leading rushers.

Pitch? You mean lie.

::rolling my eyes::

We are going to sign less recruits because we have less scholarships available because we have less open roster spots because we had a small senior class and a lot of kids returning.

Jelani Jenkins is a must, as is keeping Andre DeBose. I could not be any less worried about this signing class. Also, as a "South Florida Gator," I don't give a flying F if we get any kids from M-D or Broward counties. We sign winners no matter where they are from and grab plenty of kids from the rest of the state.

Anyone who looks at Meyer's offense as a "gimmick" is just plain stupid - whether a recruit or a fan. I mean, hell, it has only won 3 BCS games and 2 National Championships. It has consistently beaten teams from the toughest conference in the nation (SEC) and the "best" from the Big 10 (OSU) and Big 12 (Oklahoma). Oh, and it just recently crushed Miami and has defeated FSU every time Meyer has faced them.

The default is to talk about how it isn't good for kids because it doesn't prepare them for the NFL. That is also B.S. What RB has Meyer had that really had a good chance at being great in the NFL besides Percy Harvin? The answer is none. The best, Wynn, was well-prepared for the league and played well for the Packers as their starter for a few games.

The fact of the matter is this: Florida wins. The players on the Gators roster are seen by a national television audience making big plays in big games. The players get better exposure than most teams in the country aside from USC. You want to play in the NFL? Get coached by the best, play against the best competition and have your name in the lights by being a Florida Gator.

Adam S no need to roll your eyes.

Alex simth is a perfect example of Urban Meyer' gimmick offense. Graham Harrold is another prime example of the spread gimmick offense. He put up awesome numbers for tech this year and stunk up the senior bowl and his draft stock took a big hit. now back to florida, when your WR is your leading rusher then it has to be a gimmick offense. Spread Option football is much easier then pro set because you have So many options to choose from. When you put a system like that with the great athletes that UF gets then its A giving that there going to put up points. But what happened to Chris rainy this year or jeff demps. The system is not built for a traditional running back like you guys had in the past. Granted with percy leaving Debose would have to pick the gators because he will be the new PLAY MAKER. My question to you is what do you think these kids are are thinking, Do i want to get points and win games in college but not be ready to play in the nfl or do i want to get points and win games in a pro set and be set for the next level ala USC Alabama Boston College Miami ETC.?

In reality, NFL general managers don't care if a player comes from Florida, Miami or Florida State. Tebow will get his chance to play quarterback in the NFL. In my opinion, I think the kid should be commended for returning to school and not questioned because of it. He wasn't a guaranteed first-rounder this year, so he stayed in school. Seems like a wise decision to me. We've all seen what he can do on the field. He'll get his chance.

As for the idiot who keeps emailing me about Greg Reid, if you think Reid's choice in college football teams is "the most important decision in his life," then you obviously don't know much about life. Trying finding out and get back to me.

-jo-

Miami leads this list with 46. How many pro set teams do u see compared to gimmick offenses? The kids know what school will get them ready to play in the next level.

COLLEGE PLAYERS COLLEGE PLAYERS
Ohio State 44 Louisiana State 32
Florida State 41 Texas 32
Georgia 37 Florida 31
Michigan 36 Auburn 30
Tennessee 36 Notre Dame 30

He wasn't a guaranteed first-rounder this year, so he stayed in school. Seems like a wise decision to me. We've all seen what he can do on the field. He'll get his chance.

Posted by: jgoodman | January 28, 2009 at 12:01 PM

Exactly my point. How can a hiesman winning two time national championship Quarterback not be a first rounder????

Example that to me ????

The same way Troy Smith, Jason White, Eric Crouch, Chris Weinke, Danny Wuerffel werent first rounders after winning the heisman. If you are keeping score at home, thats 5 of the last 7 heisman winning quarterbacks not being first rounders. Including from your pro style schools FSU, OSU and OU. Now your history before you attack d-bag.

Goody this is not a UF vs Um thing. This is a pro set vs spread thing. Everybody knows that GM's well take kids from UF, MIAMI, and FSU. The thing is who will be better prepared when they get there???

The pro style offense is more of a smash mouth offense, of sorts, as it has a power run game and a good passing attack. The spread is more of a speed offense that relies on zone reads. Florida doesn't run a spread offense they run a Spread option which is different. Texas Tech's spread is runned different too because they run it with a lot of west coast offense attributes and little to no zone read required. The pro style is more of a 3 yards and a cloud of dust. For the spread to really work you have to have speed personnel, the pro style needs a power back. A spread offense could be stopped easier with a good DL because of the fact that the spread doesn't have a smash mouth mentality. You have to be able to run the ball between the tackles to run the pro style. And you can incorporate speed with the pro style, you can't really incorporate the smash mouth mentality with the spread because it doesn't work with the personnel.

Miamiboi, there is plenty of reasons to roll my eyes when I have to read posts like the ones above my previous one.

Alex Smith happened to excel under Meyer because Meyer figured out how to utilize the talents he had and surpress the ones he doesn't. Just because ONE PLAYER in Meyers system (at its infancy) didn't succeed, doesn't mean another player won't. If you watch football, you would know that Florida does NOT run the same system Meyer did at Utah. In fact, it is quite different.

As for Rainey and Demps, both are undersized by NFL standards and were drafted for their speed. They will be similar to a Sproles in the pros as a spell back and not starters. Again, that does not speak of the system, that speaks of the player.

The argument about UM or any team having more players in the NFL than UF or any other team, again, DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING. This is the only leg UM fans have to stand on, and most of those players have not been recent draft picks, but in the latter half of this decade.

How can a Heisman winning QB not be a first rounder? Troy Smith was drafted in the 5th round. Jason White went undrafted. Eric Crouch was a 3rd round pick. Chris Weinke was a 4th round pick. And that's just this decade. Tebow was being spoken about as a mid-second round pick...higher than all those guys.

By "in the latter half of this decade," I actually meant "in the front half of this decade."

Damn, Adam M., didn't see your post before doing the Heisman thing. Oh well, that's double domination.


The same way Troy Smith, Jason White, Eric Crouch, Chris Weinke, Danny Wuerffel werent first rounders after winning the heisman. If you are keeping score at home, thats 5 of the last 7 heisman winning quarterbacks not being first rounders. Including from your pro style schools FSU, OSU and OU. Now your history before you attack d-bag.

Posted by: Adam M. | January 28, 2009 at 12:34 PM

Why do I have to be attacking. lol are you looking for a fight?


troy simth was 5-11

jason white and Chris Weinke weren't athletic enough

eric crouch and Danny Wuerffel were system qb's


Tebow is 6'3 with the body of and NFL player right now. And is pretty athletic. This in not a knock on just Florida Offense its a knock on spread . It just so happens that UF runs the spread. If you gator fans thinks that us miami fans just want to come fight with you on this keypad then by all means fight back but im just addressing an issue.

miamiboi, you're the only one making it an issue. And the only people saying Tebow won't make it as a QB and is a 2nd round pick are analysts who are constantly wrong. Most NFL players and former QBs including Joe Montana, Steve Young and Phil Simms all believe Tebow will excel in the NFL and say he is easily worth a first round pick. But I guess their opinions don't count because they don't sit up at night arranging a mock draft like Kiper and Co. They only have Super Bowl rings and hall of fame plaques.

The argument about UM or any team having more players in the NFL than UF or any other team, again, DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING. This is the only leg UM fans have to stand on, and most of those players have not been recent draft picks, but in the latter half of this decade.

Adam s

Your reading what I'm writing but your not really reading. The point is not that UM has more players in the NFL. I don't have to beat on that drum. The point is on that list, how many pro style schools did u see compared to spread schools.

"This is the only leg UM fans have to stand on"

As for this comment I don't want to come here and argue about which program is better, again that is not why im here. Ill let you be the internet bully today Adam S. So i will just act like that never happened and move on.

I don't buy the fact that NFL GMs are going to draft a player from 'X University' ahead of a player from 'Y University' just because of the styles of offenses those players ran in college. In the past, UM had the most talent. Therefore UM had the most draft picks. UF is now more talented than UM and will now have more draft picks. Simple as that. Also, it seems that we're just going back and forth about offense. UF's defense will be better than its offense next season, and considering the offense has Tebow, that's really saying something.

-jo-

miamiboi, I am not an "Internet bully," I simply think your comments do not hold any water. And you cannot come on a Gators blog with the intent to antagonize and then back away and try to throw that on other people. You call an offense a "gimmick" but then when a sustainable argument is given to you why it isn't, you simply ignore it and choose to pick out the one portion of my replies that you can actually form some argument with.

My reading comprehension is perfectly fine. It is not a result of the "pro-style" offenses that gets this kids drafted...it is their talent.

jo makes a great point. NFL GMs know how to look beyond systems and school associations and concentrate on talent. That is all that matters.

If you can't take the heat, don't try bringing it in the first place. I didn't know giving sound arguments with detail and examples is "bullying." Grow up.

Who cares how many kids go the the NFL? You're right Adam, it's what the UM fans hang their hat on. What will they do when they aren't the leader of that anymore, and that will happen. UF has had amazing success and is currently gathering hardware like wildflowers. Let these guys call the Urbans system "gimmicky." So what. There are more problems with them than they can count. Just ignore those guys.

I'm going to re-watch the victory over OU tonight on my Tivo. I relish every single play.

what will the U fan watch? Not much worth seeing down there. Those guys are paper thin. Let em blabber on.

I also agree with your point about not getting recruits from Dade. SO WHAT. In case anyone isn't paying attention, it hasn't mattered one iota.

As much as I love Tim and can't wait to watch him light it up in 2009, I also can't wait to see Brantley get his turn. He has a BIG arm and I can't wait to see Urban tweak his offense to fit Brantley.

13-1, I'm excited to see what Jordan Reed does, too.

The thing is none of us have to worry about where Tebow gets drafted because he is COMING BACK! If next season is anything like his past two he will be drafted. What round is irrelevant.

Oh and Demps & Rainey combined for over 1200 yards on the ground. Nothing wrong there.

There are more pro-style players in the NFL now because that has also been the dominate style in college football for the past 20 years (and beyond). The spread or spread-option has really only hit big time college football in the last 4-5 years, so you can't really expect the NFL to be littered with spread players. I believe a high school athlete wants to achieve a number of things when picking a school. The kid is going to want to have the opportunity to play, to win, and to make it to the NFL. Each high school athlete puts these in whatever order he wants. In the end though we are here because we love college football, and first and foremost I want to see the University of Florida win its games week in and week out. I will definetely root for them when they are playing on Sundays, but I want them to be winning on Saturdays first which is something Urban Meyer has been able to do.

Then the other side of the coin is 3 of the 4 kids mentioned above will likely be playing defense. Last I checked Florida doesn't run a "spread-option" defense.

ESPN has the UF recruiting class up at #5 because of the quality it posesses. Most other recruit trackers take into account the quantity of players you get as well which is why teams like Miami and Alabama were able to be #1 last year with 30 some odd recruits. The Gators don't have many holes to fill, but rather just fill some spots that are getting thin.

Also, I see you knocking the spread's "system" Qbs. What QB has miami had succeed in the pros other then vinny testaverde? For a pro style offense that prepares you for the league, there is a lack of miami qbs playing pro ball.

Oh..I forgot Ken Dorsey has been such a slammin success

Further, no two school run a truer spread then Hawaii and Texas Tech. Davone Bess recently proved people were wrong for judging him based on the spread and passing on him in the draft and Michael Crabtree is about to become a top 5 pick. The fact he played in a spread isn't affecting anythign about his drafts status.

You call an offense a "gimmick" but then when a sustainable argument is given to you why it isn't, you simply ignore it and choose to pick out the one portion of my replies that you can actually form some argument with.

Adam S. | January 28, 2009 at 01:49 PM

My reading comprehension is perfectly fine. It is not a result of the "pro-style" offenses that gets this kids drafted...it is their talent.

Adam S.

Now there you go trying to make me seem like some "Bad guy." Did I insult you on your reading comprehension. I didnt say you couldnit comprehened I just wanted you to re-read what I wrote.


Who was the leading rusher on florida team this year. Percy Harvin. There is no way you can argue the point that florida isn't a gimmick offense. What sustainable argument was giving because you wrote nothing that went against anything i said. I Layed out a perfect points on how spread and pro style is different. Florida falls on the spread offense topic which means it is a gimmick offense. Spread is smoke and mirrors everyone knows that.

To the fan that said ken dorsey. Like I said before tim tebow is no dorsey I think dorsey was smarter but tebow is simply a freak. With the body, knowledge for the game, and strength tebow has he should be an automatic top 5 qb but he is not and why? Because he is a system qb. Thats the whole point that none of you are getting. I didn't come on here to hate on UF. If you guys get your heads of the sand for one second and stop thinking all cane fans have a personal issue with UF because i don't, I might have a problem with there fans but that neither here or there,but you would know that my problem is with spread gimmick offenses. Spread offense is KILLING the devolpmeant of Qb's. What could possibly be holding Tebow back? No one answered that. You guys just started nameing other qb's

So what sustainable argument are you talking about???

matt ryan and joe flacoo came from what kind of system? Can you name a QB from a spread offense that is playing now in the nfl??

ManYoo, great post. And an overlooked point. The spread is not as predominant in the NFL right now. As with the emergence of the Wildcat as a legitimate formation, the NFL will continue to evolve. And these players who are going to college and playing in a spread option system will be all the better for it. Again, it is about the talent of the player, not the type of system for which he plays in college. **GREAT PLAYERS CAN PLAY IN ANY SYSTEM!**

Miamiboi, your posts will be in ( ) while my responses will be underneath it.

(MIAMIBOI: Who was the leading rusher on florida team this year. Percy Harvin. There is no way you can argue the point that florida isn't a gimmick offense. What sustainable argument was giving because you wrote nothing that went against anything i said. I Layed out a perfect points on how spread and pro style is different. Florida falls on the spread offense topic which means it is a gimmick offense. Spread is smoke and mirrors everyone knows that.)

- Florida doesn’t use a “gimmick” offense. It runs an offense. We’re not running trick plays and trying to fool you with the statue of liberty, we’re running a playbook that has been used for years and years with adjustments. **Because that offense happens to be creative and utilize the TALENTS of the players rather than worrying about the POSITION they are listed, that makes it a gimmick?** Yeah, the spread is “smoke and mirrors” and it has won 3 BCS games, 2 national championships and beaten the best competition it has faced both in conference and out of conference. If it was smoke and mirrors, then it would have been stopped by now.

**I suggest you go to the following site before you continue talking about the spread offense which you know NOTHING about.**

http://smartfootball.blogspot.com/2008/12/florida-gatorurban-meyer-offense.html

(MIAMIBOI: With the body, knowledge for the game, and strength tebow has he should be an automatic top 5 qb but he is not and why? Because he is a system qb.)

- He won’t be a top 5 pick because of the lack of originality and willingness to evolve of the NFL. Not because he isn’t talented enough to be such. Also, it couldn't matter any less WHEN he is drafted but HOW he performs in the league. He is not a “system” QB any more than Dorsey, Leinart, Palmer, Bradford or EVERY OTHER COLLEGE QB! These are fallacies that you are portraying. You take what you hear on TV and automatically translate that to your posts rather than thinking like an intelligent football fan.

- You must not have been reading this board often if you don’t think Canes fans have a personal issue with UF. You should see some of the crap that gets posted on here by your brethren. And I'm not saying one of your brethren...I'm saying all of your brethren.

Oh, and it is laughable that you call me an "Internet bully" and then say I'm trying to turn you into a "bad guy." You're not a bad guy. You just don't know what you're talking about.

I'm done wasting my time arguing with someone that does not know that from which they speak.

Spot on ManYoo! The NFL is more trendy than a tennage girl. The wildcat, as mentioned before, caught on to almost every team once Miami beat New England with it. The Tampa 2 defense is used by virtually every team.

Coaches in the NFL just don't stay in the same place too long and when they move so does their playbook.

The spread is already used in the NFL. Saints, Chargers, Falcons (when Vick & Dunn were there)all use the spread. They just don't use it predominantly.

This arguement is growing tiresome. Miami fan would kill (literally) to have Tim Tebow as their QB.

the reason tim wouldn't be a top 5 pick this years draft has nothing to do with Florida's "gimmick" offense, the same one that LIT UP college football on the way to the HARDWARE.

No, the reason Tim wouldn't go high is because certain parts of his throwing mechanics are terrible for the NFL. He throws accurately but crudely. He can get away with that at Florida with their superior offensive line. He can't get away with it on Sundays.

THIS is the primary reason.

LISTEN TO ME UM FAN ! U are WRONG ! Scouts can see right beyond the system. IT's HIS BAD MECHANICS.

He has those qualities because of a combination of things. His biomechanics, his work habits, and his coaching. NOT BECAUSE OF THE SYSTEM HE PLAYS IN!

Fortunately for Gator fan, his helpful qualities FAR OUT WEIGH his bad qualities and hence you have a true champion quarterback.

Spare me all this scorn for the spread and the players it ruins. It's a misplaced argument.

You are flat out wrong dude. so quit letting your distaste for UF's success taint your opinion of Tim Tebow.

He won’t be a top 5 pick because of the lack of originality and willingness to evolve of the NFL.

Adam S.

Thats your answer. Not good enough. If tebow was ready to play in the NFL right now he would of been gone.

Oh, and it is laughable that you call me an "Internet bully" and then say I'm trying to turn you into a "bad guy." You're not a bad guy. You just don't know what you're talking about.

I'm done wasting my time arguing with someone that does not know that from which they speak.


Adam S.

What does this have to do with the price of tea in china??


Posted by: 13-1LIftTheTrophy | January 28, 2009 at 04:35 PM


This has nothing to do with tebow. I think he is a GREAT player but you put tebow at USC FSU Boston College UM etc, He'd would have been gone because a pro style makes it much easier for you to be a good in the NFL and that point right there has yet to be challenged.

you should see some of the crap that gets posted on here by your brethren. And I'm not saying one of your brethren...I'm saying all of your brethren.

Posted by: Adam S. | January 28, 2009 at 03:21 PM

Adam look up at the first comment.


whoa!! bryan pata for MVP


You might want to take a look at your brethren and not to mention this kehoe gator fan who wont stay off our blogs.

Tim Tebow wouldnt be a first rounder, not because of the spread, but because if shitty throwing mechanics. He has a LONG, SLOW delivery he couldnt get away with in the NFL. That is his big knock. Not the spread. If he can work with Loeffler and develop a quicker release, he will be a higher pick. He has the arm strength, he has the accuracy (although not always consistent). His low draft status had to do with the fact that corners will be able to jump all over his balls in the NFL with such a long release. There is your reason you have been asking for. It has nothign to do with spread.

My answer isn't good enough for you? Laughable. Is 13-1's? Is anyone's opinion other than yours going to change your mind? No. The point is that you came on here trying to dish out your brand of B.S. and then got upset when everyone on here out-classed you with intelligent and legitimate responses.

I'm not responsible for other posters, but I also don't claim that UF doesn't have any problems with UM like you do conversely.

If Tebow went to another program, as you suggested, his mechanics may have been tweaked a bit better, but he would not nearly have been as effective in those systems as he is in ours. Scott Loeffer (sp?) is Tebow's new QB coach and will prepare him for the NFL, as 13-1 said, I believe.

Again, you're nit-picking which things you want to argue while the rest you have no answer for...which is not a surprise for UM fans that come around here trying to discredit our team, offensive system and student-athletes.

It is boring, trite and getting old.

Another perfect post by Adam M.

ha, lift, i didn't see your post. spot on

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the objective of every college football player, is to win championships, is it not???? How many titles has a pro style team won in the last 5 years???? Times are changing people, and you can even see it in the pros with the wildcat offense. The Canes will be lucky to have a single player drafted on the 1st day. So miamiboisince85, enjoy your pro style offense, and we'll enjoy our championships as we keep winning them, WITH our spread offense.

I came in here not to dicredit anything about UF. I came here to make a point about how the spread retards the growth of qb's. I didn't expect to win you over with it but NONE OF YOU PROVIDED ME WITH ANY THING TO PROVE ME WRONG.
So what it all boils down to is the pro style is better (much) better at devolping qb's then the gimmick spread.

Adam M.

So the reason he his staying to to work on his long release. Ok well see next year fellows.

Have a nice day fellow americans and lets remember a cane fan can come wanting to argue a point and not to start a fight but to see where the other guy is comeing from. Good night Ladies!!!

Go Canes!!!!

Here's the nice thing you'll notice about the discussion over here at Gator Clause. The fans who are discrediting this guy are all doing it politely. Direct but polite. And with arguments not rude insults.

You don't see ANYTHING like that at Eye on the U and inside UM. Over there its a CONSTANT one proclamation about a supposedly superior Miami team that everyone should be afraid of. Say ANYTHING that doesn't jive with that and you are immediately bombarded with gutter material.

I guess when you're an also-ran who was formerly great it stirs up a lot of issues.

Bottom line. Aside from the spread winning championships, it requires that you have superior athletes who out execute the opponent. You can just say you're going to run the spread and do it.

UH-UH

Certain schools (most) don't enjoy having the superior and more disciplined athletes that UF is continuing to field. If they did, they would use some form of a spread as well....

They can't

I think we all agree, this guy isn't really worth debating. He's just wrong.

you *can't* just say you're going to run the spread and do it.

I think we all agree, this guy isn't really worth debating. He's just wrong.


Posted by: 13-1LIftTheTrophy | January 28, 2009 at 06:37 PM

Hold on why am i wrong because u say so or because other uf fans on this blog say so. Come lets be real every one here has a bias opinion. If we were to take this to a neutral site I think this would be a much heated disscussion, with pro style winning of course.

Andre DeBouse said that he "doesn't want to be another Percy Harvin". At Florida, that's exactly what he's gonna be. I think he may take a long look at what Whip brings here at the U and sign with the Canes.


He didn't say he didn't want to play his position and do the same things. He just wants to be his own player, not the "next Harvin." He is ok with playing the position, but he wants to play it as Andre Debose, not the "next Harvin"

Urban Meyer's offense doesn't educate the kids to the pro game. The draft status of the UF kids is more based on raw talent than knowledge of the pro sets. That's why Miami had so many 1st rounders. They can accolate themselves to the professional game easier than the spread or spread option.

Ask Chris Leak, the guy needed the pro set and Meyer came in and destroyed that for the kid.

How many qb's that played the spread in college start in the NFL?

Look at Colt Brennen,he shattered all those records and got drafted in what the 5 or 6th round and is currently on the Redskins practice squad.

Grahm Harrel is going to be lucky if he even gets drafted at all.

So when UM's players were drafted high it was because of the pro system, but now that Florida's player are drafted high it is only because of talent? LOL LOL LOL

Players are drafted high because of talent. Miami used to get the most talented players, therefore they were drafted high. More recently, Florida has been getting the more talented players, so they are being drafted high. To think otherwise is absurd!

Adam M. is 100% right on the DeBose comment.

There is no comparison between Brennen or Harrell and Tebow. Completely different attributes, talents and abilities. It is not UNIVERSAL one way or another about a ___ position player from ___ type of offense doing ___ in the NFL. It all depends on the player and their talents.

As for Leak, Meyer adjusted his option to meet Leak's abilities and, you know what, HE WON A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP! Leak isn't playing in the NFL not because of Meyer, but because of his slow release and lack of size.

You scUM fans really need to learn about football and stop letting the bias, lies and envy that you read on Canes message boards create your opinions for you.

Florida would have not won the NC if Leak was alone in the QB position. Tebow scored the td's because he's more built for the system. You know it, and everybody else knows it.

miamiboisince85,

Why are you so preoccupied with college players making it to the NFL? As a Florida Gator Alumnus, it is more important for me to see the Gators win than where its players land after they are done playing college football.

You are just a um fan who is jealous of Florida's football program. What recruit in his right mind will not like to play for the Gators. There is lots of national TV exposure and more importantly, a great chance to win Championships. While your canes are struggling to find a winning formula, the Gators are just reloading and this “small” recruiting class is filled with very good players.

Adam S keep up the good work. I am going to get ready to watch the Gators beat up Georgia one more time.

Don't give me this lack of size crap. As crappy a quaterback Brock Berlin was for us, he was still drafted by the Rams and is now with the Dolphins prbabaly because of his knowledge of a pro set and coached up in his passing. If Leak was coached up in the pro-style offense and was educated on ball delivery he'd be in the pros now. Both Berlin and Leak are 6'1". If Leak had such a crappy delivery, why was he that highly touted a prospect comming out of high school? It wasn't because of his running ability.

CaliCanes Fan,

Pro-style offense vs. spread offense, give me the one that wins. Right now for the Gators is the latter, so... 2 NCs in 3 years.

Who cares about Brock Berlin and Chris Leak? Are they worried about you? I saw Chris Leak in Gainesville a couple of weeks ago and he looked to be quite happy and so was I. WE WERE CELEBRATING SOMETHING YOU WANT DESPERATELY, A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, YOU FOOL!!!

You are just a um fan who is jealous of Florida's football program. What recruit in his right mind will not like to play for the Gators

Posted by: UFGators1972 | January 28, 2009 at 07:41 PM

JEALOUS NO

Why would i be jealous. Yes you have been winning more games lately but last i checked miami still leads florida in overall wins overall championships overall undefeated seasons. But this was not what i wanted to come agrue about. The simple fact is urbAn meyers kids have produced to nothing in the NFL ( OFFENSE ONLY) so what makes you think tebow will?

First off Leak is like 5'11 and constantly has balls batted down at the line IN COLLEGE. Pro D-lines would tear him up. Also, last I checked Berlin isn't on the Dolphins. They have 3 qbs on ther roster henne, pennington and beck. Check your facts canes fans.

Posted by: UFGators1972 | January 28, 2009 at 08:06 PM

lol your acting like a kid. whoa!!! act like you have been there before. In this decade UF has been to 2 nc's the thing about that is so has MIAMI!!!!

I'm just saying that the kids that have all that talent want to get to the next level. Now that Miami has a pro experienced OC, they are going to attract more of the talent away from UF. I love how you Gator fans think our NC appearences are such ancient history. We've been in just as many National Championship games as you in this decade. Both appearences without controversey mind you. Unlike the 2008-2009 season.

LOL Cali, that is hysterical. You really don't know what you're talking about.

We won the NC because Tebow scored the TDs because he's more built for the system?!?!?!

We won the NC and got to the NC because of Percy Harvin more so than Tebow. (That's not to say Tebow wasn't a big part, of course.) Did you watch the SEC Championship game? Probably not.

Tebow had 1 pass in that game (compared to Leak's 36) and ran the ball 10 times with a 3.9 average.

Harvin was the leading receiver and scored a rushing TD. The game was over before Tebow scored a single TD after Hetland kicked two 40+ yard field goals.

LOL, I'm still laughing at that post!

miamiboisince85,

Yeah, you've been to two National Championship games but UM is 1-1 and the Gators are 2-0.

Harvin lined up at QB as well, MORE GIMMIC. If Debose wants to be a pro, I think lining up at QB isn't what he wants to do.

GIMMIC OFFENSE = POOR NFL PERFORMANCE!!

Good luck in Florida Andre, that's about as good as it's gonna get for you.

UFGators1972

Florida would not have beaten USC. Florida should not even have been in the NC game. USC at least lost to a team higher ranked that the team Florida lost to. Utah (need I say more). NC game should have been USC v. Utah.

miamiboisince85, keep living in the past. Wow, we've done this and we've done that, it sounds like a broken record.

You cane fans are still bragging about the past. Worry about your team that in the last three years has a 19-19 record, has never won an ACC Division, let alone an ACC Championship and has an average gameday headcoach.

Florida on the other hand is now one of the elite college football programs; Florida has one of the top five college football headcoaches; Florida has one of the youngest teams in the nation, youngest to win a NC and have what you guys do not have a great fan base.

PS. FLORIDA HAS A GREAT SHOT TO REPEAT AS NATIONAL CHAMPIONS THIS YEAR WITH A DEFENSE THAT SHOULD BE BETTER AND THE BEST COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYER IN AMERICA, TIM TEBOW.

CaliCanesFan, ok smart ass.

TO FOLLOW YOUR LOGIC. MIAMI SHOULD HAVE NOT WON THE 1983 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. FLORIDA BEAT THEM 28-3. FLORIDA WAS THE 1983 STATE CHAMPION, THEY BEAT MIAMI AND FLORIDA STATE (51-14). HOW CAN YOU BE THE NATIONAL CHAMPION WHEN YOU COULD NOT BE STATE CHAMPION?

HOW DOW YOU KNOW FLORIDA COULD NOT BEAT USC? THEY PLAYED THE #1 TEAM AN DEFEATED OKLAHOMA FAIR AND SQUARE.

GO CRY LITTLE CANDYCANE, GO CRY. YOUR 5-1 LEAD IN RINGS HAS SHRUNK TO 5-3 AND MORE FLORIDA NCs IN THE FUTURE.

CaliCanesFan, you officially just earned yourself "ignore" patrol on this blog. Those are two of the stupidest back-to-back posts that I've ever read.

Posted by: UFGators1972

I see what your writing but you are not talking about anything. Florida is 14 on the prestige list. BEHIND UM. It took florida 50 years to win the SEC. Miami has more NC's, more undefeated seasons, more hall of fame coaches. Enjoy your third ring but miami has been there done that Florida is still trying to catch up to miami so how is the program more elite. Be foreal

When tebow leaves it won't be pretty for you UF fans but im not arguing this um vs uf thing any more i said my peace and thats it.

adam s
adam m
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Enjoyed talking to u guys today. Don't know if you feel the same way and don't really care but all im telling you guys is that a miami fan can come on this blog to argue points involving COLLEGE FOOTBALL without wanting to attack your school.

Leave it to cane fans to start jumping all over the place to reinforce their argument that they are "better". Better? If that's what you want to believe then just keep doing that.

None of the things they argue has ANY relevance in football right now. It's what you do when you have nothing else to talk about. Yamber on about how great you WERE. Have you won ANYTHING lately?

UF is RAKING in HARDWARE and you guys still act as though we are below you. Laughable. After years of being bad and finishing up the season with collapses, firings, and transfers, you are still bringing that bunk. Whatever cane fan. The facts don't lie. You are also-rans.

the constant claim by Um fans that UF will stink when Tebow leaves is also laughable. UF recruits with the best in the nation and , unlike other schools, DEVELOPS their talent. UF will be excellent after Tim moves on. John Brantley is a very smart kid, comes from football blue blood, has a huge arm, and is better than any QB UM has had in years.

Be very scared of UF. Be very scared. The championship march is just getting going. UF will collect it's fourth trophy in 14 years in 09. That is FAR ahead of anything UM ever accomplished playing as an independent, the laughable Big East, and the mediocre ACC.

UF's wall FULL of SEC championship trophies is something UM will never ever know or understand.

The Big East???????

Hey Cane fans, you can keep your pro style offense to develop players for the pros, which you aren't doing very well these days, and continue to play in the Who Cares Bowl every year, and we'll continue playing with the spread offense and winning National Tiles. NOONE really cares how well a player does on the next level. All Gator fans care about is winning championships, and we're doing very well at that these days. So why don't you all go back to your boring Cane forum, and continue talking about what a great new no-name o-coordinator you got the NOONE has heard of, and talk about how great and unstoppable you guys are going to be this year, like you do EVERY year, so we can all laugh out loud when you collapse once again.

OH NO U DONT GATOR ALUM. we's got randy, and we's got recruits, and wes got 5 baby, and wes got Mr wWhipple (1-n-dun) and wes got Jacory "the high school baller" Harris, and wes got a stacked backfield and we's gettin our swagger back U R scared

Why do UM fans continually talk about all their talent at RB? Injured backs are not an excuse. It's called no depth. ( UF had EIGHT ACL's in 08). Saying, "if our backs are healthy we are awesome" is laughable.

Another collapse looms for this team in 09. There are just way too many question marks for anyone to think they will be above average.

I just read an article posted on GatorCountry that disects the spread option (it is written by an expert with no UF ties). Clearly, the spread option is not a gimick offense. There are numerous references made to the similarities of the NFL style of offense and UF's spread offense.

Check out the post here:
http://www.gatorcountry.com/football/article/smart_football_the_urban_meyer_offense/5552

LOL Guam, I posed the same article (but with its original link to that guy's site) like 30 comments ago! :)

Sorry Adam S. I must have missed your post. In any event, maybe it will force the "spread haters" to read the article a second time.

Sorry guys, I hate to go way back to the beginning of the thread but
CAN GUMBY GATOR EXPLAIN THE BRYAN PATA COMMENT

Oh its looks like it was removed, probably a good call

Tebow might have good size, but he isn't going to be an NFL quarterback right away. He lacks some things coming out of college and would be a project in the NFL. Not to say that he can't develop if the right team selects him and the right coach develops him, but let's face it UF's offense does not prepare players for the NFL. To some kids that doesn't matter. What is hurting UF is the fact that they won't be able to play many of these kids unless others get hurt. I would be surprised if Richardson goes to UF, because he knows he won't run the ball like he would at Alabama. It all depends what a kids wants in a school. It might come as a surprise to anyone in Gainesville, but UF is not the end all be all of colleges. You still have a long way to go to catch up to the tradition at UM, Ohio State, and USC. A couple of winning years doesn't mean crap. Let's see you sustain more than a couple of years like Miami, USC, FSU, Alabama, and Ohio State have over the years.

UF prepares their players for the NFL just as well as UM, OSU, USC or any other school. Again, it is about the talent of the player and how they are able to adapt to a faster, stronger game. Not what university they go to.

I'd say the rest of your post, U2, was good, except it is obviously filled with ridiculous amounts of bias. Especially the last third of it.

Too much emphasis has been put on a QB's release. Dan Marino had an odd release that several coaches tried to tinker with...fortunately he refused to change it after his college coach Jackie Sherill told him never to let anyone try to change it.

Drew Brees was not a prototypical NFL QB, nor was Kurt Warner and Chad Pennington doesn't have ideal arm strength. Also, lets not forget that Tom Brady didn't get drafted until the 6th round!

What matters is how you play when you are on the field. Period. Will Tebow play well on the field in the NFL? Only time will tell.

the reason kids have gone to um is because they were terrible and it was easy to start, and uf has had trouble only with defensive recruits that see the entire 2 deep coming back with others behind that and they know that they will have to EARN (a word that most recruits don't want to hear) their way on the field not just fall in to it because of need like at UM. Come on be realistic. IF UM ever gets it together then the same will happen there. recruits are simple, they are selfish kids who want whats best for them and no one else which equates to early playing time. what moron can't understand that.

Ahh, it becomes clear now. Never mind you UM fans.

Confucious say college with terrible coach has terrible record.

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