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Florida Gators spring practice Day 4: OL Carl Johnson in 'good standing' with team

From the newspaper: I-FORMATION NOT CLICKING FOR THE GATORS. My thoughts on the 'I' at the bottom of this post.

GAINESVILLE -- Arrested for violating a temporary restraining order this winter, Florida offensive lineman Carl Johnson is in "good standing" with the football team as the Gators begin their second week of spring practice, according to Florida coach Urban Meyer.


Johnson is competing for a starting position on the offensive line this spring and is currently the Gators' first-team left tackle. Johnson seemed like a shoe-in along the offensive line after the national championship game -- he started at guard most of the season in 2008 -- but his reputation took a hit when his former girlfriend claimed that Johnson was involved in a physically and emotionally abusive Carl-johnson relationship. Johnson's former girlfriend detailed her account of their relationship in a lengthy essay, which was submitted to the Alachua County courthouse along with the request for injunction. 

[PICTURED, Carl Johnson. His former girlfriend claimed in a written statement to authorities that Johnson's No.1 goal in life was to kill someone.] 

"His whole issue is that he's got to make sure that he is straight with the university," Meyer said. "I had a long discussion about what happened with him and his family and Carl Johnson hasn't been a major problem since he has been here, I have a lot of respect for him and his family and if he has done something wrong, then he knows there will be a heck of a price to pay. But he's in good standing."

DETAILS FROM PRACTICE
Not really much to report from Monday's practice. The team looked pretty sluggish, actually. One thing that caught my attention was the starting line-up of the kick-return team. Want proof that Florida will probably be the deepest team in the country next season. Read off these names:

Deonte Thompson, Jeff Demps and Chris Rainey were the return men. The blockers included starting cornerback Joe Haden, senior cornerback Markihe Anderson, fullback Steven Wilks, receiver T.J. Lawrence, linebacker Jon Bostic, safety Will Hill, offensive lineman Jonotthan Harrison, safety Dorian Munroe, receiver Frankie Hammond Jr. and safety Dee Finley.

THOUGHTS ON THE I-FORMATION
As reported in the Herald's daily practice story, the I-formation isn't running as smoothly as Florida coach Urban Meyer would like. He's thinking about scrapping it. My opinion: This is a bad idea.

Meyer can't just ditch the I-formation after a few practices. As far as I'm concerned, Meyer has an obligation to Tim Tebow to run some semblance of a pro-style offense this season for the simple fact that Tebow returned to school. Meyer owes it to Tebow to help his draft status. Hiring quarterbacks coach Scot Loeffler wasn't enough. The Gators are going to blow teams out of the water this season. Let Tebow practice in the 'I' during mop-up time.

Now, I understand that UF isn't going to be much of an I-formation team this year. And they shouldn't be. After all, Meyer recruited for the spread and Florida should run the spread. Who's going to play fullback in the 'I,' Aaron Hernandez? If Aaron is at fullback, then who plays tight end, Desmond Parks? Yeah ... that ain't happen'n. That said, there's plenty of personnel on this Gators team to allow Tebow to practice taking snaps under center late in the fourth quarter against UF's weaker non-conference opponents. Florida fullbacks Steven Wilks, T.J. Pridemore and Rick Burgess might not see the field against LSU but they could certainly pick up a block or two against Southern Charleston.

-jo-

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Meyer doesn't "owe" Tebow anything. tebow made a decision to stay based on what is best for him. It just so happens that it benefits the football program.

I don't think showing tape to scouts and NFL brass of Tebow under center against Charleston Southern in the fourth quarter up 70-3 is going to intrigue them. A team is going to draft Tebow knowing what he is and what he brings.

I agree with most of this, mm, but I do think Meyer owes Tebow.

-jo-

The opponent isn't the only thing scouts will look at mm. They'll look at his drop back, his reads, his mechanics. Reading a D from under center is more difficult than doing it from the shotgun.

It will be interesting to see how much Loeffler is able to help Tim improve his release time. It needs a bunch of work.

Meyer "owes" Tebow nothing more than his support and friendship...which he has unconditionally. And whatever Meyer *personally* may have felt he owed him, he rectified by signing Loeffler to replace Mullen almost specifically to get Tebow ready for the NFL and a career after Florida Gators football.

As mm alluded to, a team will draft Tebow for his talent, marketability and intangibles. Sure he will undergo some tweaks between now and the combine in order to quell some of the questions about his mechanics, but the player isn't going to change much between now and then.

1st, Carl Johnson should not be on this team! You can beat/fight a dog and go to prison (Mike Vick) but if you beat your girl your OK to play. This sets a bad example to the other players.

2nd, I-formation (Pro Set). Just like I said, Meyers is trying to implement the pro style under center O to prepare Tebow for the pro's. This could improve his draft status but should we do this? When Tebow excepted the scholarship he was quite aware of the type of O he was going to run, it's a great college O but it will not make you a better NFL pro.

[PICTURED, Carl Johnson. His former girlfriend claimed in a written statement to authorities that Johnson's No.1 goal in life was to kill someone.]

This statement alone is not enough to keep Johnson off the team, but when you couple this statement with the fact that he has already been charged with a sexual offense, and he just walked on a stalking charge, is this really someone UF wants on their team?

Already charged with a sexual offense? Is there something I don't know about here?

-jo-

No, there isn't, just Canes fans making up stuff again. He has no charge whatsoever in that regard. And he didn't "walk" on a charge...they threw out the entire thing because it was withdrawn.

Gator Rod,

I've read the "essay" written by Carl Johnson's girlfriend several times. She never accused him of hitting her. She accused him of plenty, but never wrote that Johnson beat her.

-jo-

Those are irresponsible statements "Gator Rod." Maybe you should stay on other teams blogs where you belong.

LOL. 13-1 and Adam, you too are both a bunch of tools who can't handle anything that has the slightest bit of negativity towards your team.

And the "sexual" stuff that Sarasota Cane was bringing up, Jo and Adam, was pretty easy to find. Although he did not get arrested for it, there were certainly allegations which resulted in the restraining order. Here's a link:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Ex-Girlfriend-Stalking-is-the-least-of-Carl-Joh?urn=ncaaf,142083

I know, I know. The Orlando Sentinel is filled with nasty Cane lovers who spend all day besmurging poor Carl Johnson's name. LOL.

Ricky, name-calling anonymously on a blog is the definition of a tool. Congrats.

I can handle negativity towards my team...FACTUAL negativity...not stuff being spewed only with bias to back it up.

You are turning claims and allegations into facts, not taking into account things being withdrawn. I could get into each individual point, but I am not going to waste my time.

Grow up.

I don't think Meyer owes Tebow a new package in the offense, especially if they don't have the personnel to run it.
Meyer has said over and over that he fits his offense to his players. No fullbacks+one good tight end=no I-formation, and they shouldn't use it just to show that Tebow can drop back.
He's already a big enough name that someone will take a chance on him, and he'll have plenty of time after the season to focus solely on dropback passing skills.
Also, I'm sick of the notion that players have to fit into some kind of NFL mold. It's just another league of football with more coaches and schemes, and when a player like Tebow comes along with a unique skill set, passion for the game and a good arm, they'll find a way to use him.

I've been over this before, but since Johnson was never even investigated for this girlfriend's allegations, I didn't feel like running him through the mud. Looking at the written statement from the girlfriend, it's easy to deduce ulterior motives. Now, am I saying Carl Johnson is an angel? Certainly not. But there is no proof of abuse, let alone rape. Good grief. Of course, I can't control what the other writers on the beat report. Other writers ran with the girlfriend's story and published her claims. The Miami Herald did not. I decided against it and my editors agreed. In this blog post, I flippantly wrote about Johnson's wish to kill someone. Why did I do this? Well, to make light of a something that probably shouldn't be joked about. But, come on, that's the point. Does anyone really think Johnson's No.1 goal in life is to shoot and kill someone? Guys say stupid stuff to girls to feel macho.

-jo-

Hey ricky is your last name Nifong? as in the prosecutor from the Duke lacrosse trial? Since when did allegations become sustainable evidence?

Who is the tool?

Hey Ricky, Tawana Brawley is on line one.

Nice attempt at axing the guy. The people who matter know what time it is.

You do not matter.

That is all.


Adam S., 13-1, MM:

The point of what I was saying was not to insinuate that Carl Johnson actually raped anyone and/or that the girlfriend's story is true. I said there were allegations, which is a fact. (and btw Jo, in that same link I put above, there were allegations of physical abuse from his girlfriend. Is it true? Who the hell knows. But it is there.)

The point I was trying to make was that the only dude in here who doesn't sound like he's always drinking the Orange and Blue koolaid, besides Jo, is Gator Rod and you guys are constantly ripping him, as well as anyone else who brings up a dissenting opinion.

Do I think Carl Johnson should have been kicked off the team? No, not really. I actually think Meyer handled it appropriately from what came out.

Would I be a little weary about what the kid might do in the future and questioning whether there's a little truth to the allegation? Certainly. Isn't that what you guys do anytime a Cane has legal issues?

Those are irresponsible statements "Gator Rod." Maybe you should stay on other teams blogs where you belong.

Posted by: 13-1LiftTheTrophy | March 31, 2009 at 11:43 AM

Irresponsible? Bull ****! If you believe in physical abuse then your the problem.Read the article, she dropped the charges or he would still be going to court. She accused him of date-rape and physical and emotional abuse.

If you had studied in school you would have learned that over 95% of the abused will drop charges against a loved one.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090217/articles/902170946

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090309/articles/903090909

Gator Rod:

Shhh!! Adam S. and 13-1 might call you a biased Canes fan and tell you that you made that up.

Nevertheless, I agree 100% that physical abuse is abhorent. If it can be proven that Johnson did abuse her or did anything that she alleged, he should be thrown off the team. The problem is that she did withdraw it. What is a coach supposed to do now that the charges were dropped? He can't make her re-file it and he can't kick the kid off the team based on charges that didn't stick.

Ricky, I think Gator Rod can speak for himself...

No one here denied ALLEGATIONS. But you were stating allegations as FACTS and that is what I had a problem with. You didn't say "he allegedly beat his girlfriend" you said "he beat his girlfriend." Those are very different. Then you attack people for not being able to handle negative things against UF when that is not what they (or I) are doing whatsoever. Allegations bother me when they are without merit. If he abused his girlfriend, I would be the first to demand he be thrown off the team. But there are no facts of that, just allegations.

"Would I be a little weary about what the kid might do in the future and questioning whether there's a little truth to the allegation? Certainly. Isn't that what you guys do anytime a Cane has legal issues?" -- And this is something I agree with. But that is not the statement you made earlier or how you came off in your previous statement. You stated allegations as facts to get people riled up and then railed against them. Give it a rest.

Read the article, she dropped the charges or he would still be going to court. She accused him of date-rape and physical and emotional abuse.

Posted by: Gator Rod | March 31, 2009 at 02:51 PM

Yes, she ACCUSED. And then DROPPED the charges. As jo, I think, pointed out, it costs like $11 for that claim. If he had date-raped her, physically and emotionally abused her, SHE WOULDN'T HAVE DROPPED THE CHARGES. She is not in love with him. She had nothing to gain by dropping the charges whatsoever.

If it can be proven that Johnson did abuse her or did anything that she alleged, he should be thrown off the team. The problem is that she did withdraw it. What is a coach supposed to do now that the charges were dropped? He can't make her re-file it and he can't kick the kid off the team based on charges that didn't stick.

Posted by: Ricky | March 31, 2009 at 03:03 PM

Yes, IF that can be proven, he SHOULD be thrown off the team. It is not a "problem" she withdrew the charges. You are speaking like Johnson is a criminal waiting to get caught. Those charges could have been baseless and lies. In that case, it is very FORTUNATE for Johnson that she dropped the charges, seeing as he could have been on trial for something he didn't do. It works BOTH WAYS. You just choose to see one side of the story.

Adam S., point me to where I said "he beat his girlfriend." Doesn't exist. Just another case of a biased Gator fan making things up.

"Yes, IF that can be proven, he SHOULD be thrown off the team. It is not a "problem" she withdrew the charges. You are speaking like Johnson is a criminal waiting to get caught. Those charges could have been baseless and lies. In that case, it is very FORTUNATE for Johnson that she dropped the charges, seeing as he could have been on trial for something he didn't do. It works BOTH WAYS. You just choose to see one side of the story."

Again, another case of a Gator fan reading into what isn't there. I meant the problem (or flaw) in Gator Rod's argument that Johnson should be kicked off the team, not that I actually thought it was a problem that he was not kicked off the team.

I can't even defend the Gators without you jumping on me.

It was in your referencing to the article and Sarasota. Not making anything up, I'm explaining how your comments came off.

Here is a nice little quote that sums our differing stances up quite nicely:

“I wish the entire athletic department was as supportive as Urban Meyer was,” Huntley Johnson said. “I wish that there was more due process in the athletic department at the University of Florida. ***It appears to me that we may have a situation where one is not presumed innocent, and we’ve had a lot of luck for over 200 years with that presumption in this country.”***

Non-Gator fans presume guilt from the get-go. And, by the way, you started this all with personal attacks...so don't try to get all "high and mighty" on me now.

One more time, I have to say "Bravo" to both Adam and 13-1, who lived up to their reps of being tools.

You can now proceed to bumble your way through another slew of posts with your usual "I don't believe Cane-fueled lies, go back to your own blog" garbage.

If you are saying that's how I came off, that's a pretty big difference from claiming that I actually said it. I'm sure you actually believed that I did say that. Maybe its just your guilty conscience??

Secondly if you would fully read my responses to Gator Rod before and my post before that, you would see that I actually am taking your side, not Sarasota Cane's side. I don't believe he did anything, just found it funny how dismissive you are about anything that doesn't reflect positively on your team, from Sarasota Cane or from Gator Rod or from myself.

Again, if something factual affects my team negatively, I would accept it just like I did something positive. I do not take people turning allegations into facts lightly. I think it is absurd, just as you are trying to name-call people on a blog.

Grow up and get a life.

You want to deal with only facts? Go to a courtroom. Boards and blogs are certainly not the place for facts, from you or anyone else. They are opinion-based. Jo states a topic, people discuss. If you haven't learned this by now I don't know how to resond to that.

Absurd? LOL. I think its absurd the way you and 13-1 bully people on this blog with differing view points, including your brother Gator fans, just because they said something bad about your team, no matter how trivial. If you can't take being called a tool, don't act like one.

Grow up and get a life.

Boards and blogs are not the place for facts? This is a newspaper site...not a personal homepage or a gossip rag. When making an ARGUMENT, it is necessary to state opinions. The best opinions are fueled by facts that can back them up.

Not bullying anyone...just tearing apart others' baseless arguments.

"If you can't take being called a tool, don't act like one." Look whose talking, professor.

You showed your obvious bias Ricky. Does Duke Lacrosse mean anything to you?

I don't care how many or what names you call me. Continue. A matter of this seriousness is no place for you to slur people. If you think our QB stinks and want to say so...FINE. When you play loosely with facts in regards to rape allegations you are doing a disservice to many including yourself.

Other Gator players have been guilty of breaking the law recently. I and other Gators want to see them instantly booted off the team and pay a price beyond football. I applaude UM's efforts to rid the program of lawlessness. They have truly done a good job.

Defending CJ has nothing to do with him being a starter. It has to do with a girl who has gaping holes in her case spending $11 and seeing this guy get slandered by biased people like yourself.

Sure you are hypersensitive since you have been long and unfairly straddled with the thug U moniker. You should use that as an impetus to treat others fairly instead of convicting the guy in an your opinion court. It speaks volumes about your maturity level. If the guy in this case played for UM I would have the exact same response. Don't let your dislike for an opposing team influence your opinion in such important matters. It's clearly too late for that though.

The girl made some VERY suspect allegations and due process has brought justice to the case. If her allegations had ANY merit this wouldn't have gone away.

And "Ricky", I don't mumble. Have a great day sir.

Additionally, please don't bother replying with some breakdown of why the Gator tools are twisting your words. It's blatantly obvious that you lean toward the guy being guilty. I on the other hand don't lean toward him being innocent. I instead lean toward not judging him either way until the facts shake out. That's what intelligent people do regardless of their dislike for "gayturds."

"I don't care how many or what names you call me. Continue. A matter of this seriousness is no place for you to slur people. If you think our QB stinks and want to say so...FINE. When you play loosely with facts in regards to rape allegations you are doing a disservice to many including yourself."

13-1, re-read my posts, think about what you wrote and then focus on how sensitive you are over your team.

Not once did I state anything against Carl Johnson that was not factual, including what was alleged and that it was later dropped. In fact, I defended the team earlier for not kicking him off the team and made it pretty clear that I don't beleive what his girlfriend said. Reading comprehension, does it mean anything to you?

After this tremendous illustration that you both take everything that I say in a negative connotation, no matter what I actually say, I think it is pretty clear that I'm justified in my original opinion in this blog aka TAKE OFF THE ORANGE AND BLUE GLASSES! Not every fan from an opposing team is out to crucify your players or your staff and they just might have a valid view point that your missing by digging your head in the sand.

"It's blatantly obvious that you lean toward the guy being guilty."

Do some reading and you might actually be surprised.

BTW in an unrelated case of 13-1 astonishing reading comprehension skills, I said you would "bumble", not "mumble" and you clearly did bumble your way through your last post.

"Boards and blogs are not the place for facts? This is a newspaper site...not a personal homepage or a gossip rag.
This is not an article written by the Herald. This is a BLOG written by the Herald's beat writer for anything Gators. In blog's, the writer generally states very few facts and mosts of the time states his opinion and/or asks for the opinion of others.

"When making an ARGUMENT, it is necessary to state opinions. The best opinions are fueled by facts that can back them up."
The best opinions may be fueled by facts, but no one is saying its necessary for people to present facts to prove their opinion that Carl Johnson is in fact innocent. There wouldn't be enough facts out there to prove one way or the another. Thus, you want facts and proof, go practice law, don't ask for it in a blog.


"Not bullying anyone...just tearing apart others' baseless arguments."
With your own baseless arguments.

"If you can't take being called a tool, don't act like one." Look whose talking, professor."
I'm not complaining about name calling like a 5 year old, Student. I couldn't care less what you call me and find it quite gratifying that I'm actually getting to you using a word.

No one is trying to claim he is innocent. The only thing being claimed is that there is not enough evidence to say he is guilty or to insinuate that he is lucky to have had the case thrown out. And the little that was held against him has been completely dismissed and thrown out. My arguments are far from baseless...and you're not "getting to me" using a word...I just think it is weak and pathetic to name-call people on a blog when you can't be held responsible for what you say with a punch to the face. It is quite juvenile and, as someone able to articulate your opinions quite well, I thought you were better than that.

There wouldn't be enough facts out there to prove one way or the another.

Posted by: Ricky | March 31, 2009 at 04:42 PM

Not trying to prove it one way or another. Only trying to say some of us are going off of allegations and others are going off of facts.

ALLEGATION: He beat his girlfriend.

ALLEGATION: He date raped his girlfriend.

ALLEGATION: He violated a restraining order.

FACT: He was never investigated for the allegation as they were found to be without merit.

FACT: The written statement contained much information that could be considered ulterior motives.

FACT: There is no proof of any abuse whatsoever - no scratches, scars, abrasions, cuts, swelling or ANY physical markings.

I think that Sarasota Cane was entitled to his opinion, which was questioning whether or not CJ should be on the team. You chose to jump on him for saying "charged" instead of alleged in regards to his girlfriend's allegations, rather than responding to his question which wasn't so "biased", considering Gator Rod pretty much agreed.

As someone with obvious intellegence, albeit close-minded views, I would have figured that you could've responded to his opinion with tact rather than sounding how you did.

Then what does 13-1 do to Gator Rod? He says "Maybe you should stay on other teams blogs where you belong." I get it, you don't toe the Company line, you aren't a Gator fan?

Seems pretty bully-ish if you ask me. And even if you didn't, I'd still tell you, because this is a blog, not a forum only for Adam, 13-1 and MM to agree with themselves all day long.

Sounding as I did? Dude...this is text...you have no idea about inflections or tones of what I was trying to say. This is what I said in regard to his comments about 35 posts ago:

"He has no charge whatsoever in that regard. And he didn't "walk" on a charge...they threw out the entire thing because it was withdrawn."

That is all. There is nothing wrong with that. Then you started your war of words. And my views are FAR from close-minded.

There are plenty of people that come on here with differing opinions...no one rails against them...but I will rail against someone trying to perpetrate allegations as facts.

Why? Because the allegations don't support your cause? Anyone and everyone can have opinions based on allegations. Its akin to having opinions based on half truths (ie She had lots of reasons to lie, so she must not be telling the truth). We are not the court system and we have no say in whether they go to jail or not. We do not need to assume someone is innocent until proven guilty.

Sarasota had a valid opinion (ie CJ should not be on the team) and you brushed it off with "No, there isn't, just Canes fans making up stuff again." That doesn't change no matter what inflection or tone you use. How bout Gator Rod? Is he just a pathetic Gator fan stating allegation as fact as well?

Lastly, you are closed minded. You choose to infer from all posts written by Cane fans that they are bashing, which you've done to me and others in the past, rather than valid opinions.

No, sarasota's opinion is NOT valid...why would you throw someone off of a football team based solely on allegations? You wouldn't. And you are also looking at sarasota's comments from just this thread. If you had been reading what he wrote here all season, you would completely understand the "just Canes fans making stuff up again" comment. He did it all season long.

And no, but the court system is the court system. And the ENTIRE restraining order (not just the case of violating it) has now been thrown out/withdrawn. The allegations were just that - allegations.

http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20090331/ARTICLES/903319919/1136?Title=Carl-Johnson-cleared

You say I infer? You are the one who just did that a few posts ago talking about my inflections and tones! Look whose talking.

"No, sarasota's opinion is NOT valid...why would you throw someone off of a football team based solely on allegations?"

Obviously, I don't think its the right thing to do, considering my response to Gator Rod. He did think just that and he's a fan from your team, not some "Canes fan whose just making things up." You didn't take him to task for it and you didn't even respond to Rod on his POV. Why is that?

"If you had been reading what he wrote here all season, you would completely understand the "just Canes fans making stuff up again" comment. He did it all season long.....You say I infer? You are the one who just did that a few posts ago talking about my inflections and tones! Look whose talking."

Did I also misinterpret your inflections and tone when you told me that I was just a "Cane fan making things up as always" or to "Go back to my own board" the last time that we debated an issue? Or were you simply being arrogant, prove-me-wrong Gators fan like you were this time? Maybe its just a coincidence. ::rolling my eyes::

And trust me, these aren't the only two times I've read that on this blog from you and Sarasota and myself are not the only ones that you've said that to/about.

[You didn't take him to task for it and you didn't even respond to Rod on his POV. Why is that?]

Because when I first responded at the beginning of this argument I didn't even read his post, just sarasota's and jo's. Not that I need to explain myself to you - I am not on trial here.

[Did I also misinterpret your inflections and tone when you told me that I was just a "Cane fan making things up as always" or to "Go back to my own board" the last time that we debated an issue?]
LOL, you're hysterical, glossing over the fact that you were a hypocrite just a few posts ago speaking about tones and inflections to go back to a post from probably months ago. And no, you interpreted my tone and inflection perfectly THAT TIME...when I was quite explicit in what I was saying to you.

[Or were you simply being arrogant, prove-me-wrong Gators fan like you were this time? Maybe its just a coincidence. ::rolling my eyes::]
Ah, yes, no bias in that statement. Canes fans certianly aren't arrogant and prove-me-wrong fans...nah...they're quite prim and proper, always being polite and never getting into arguments defending their team. ::rolling MY eyes:;

[And trust me, these aren't the only two times I've read that on this blog from you and Sarasota and myself are not the only ones that you've said that to/about.]
OK.

Why does this guy post this stuff? Does he need to post comments that drill UM 8 times? Sure some of it is over the top, but it's mostly UM getting glued, screwed, and tatooed.

It's all pretty funny though. I think there are some seriously bruised egos down south.

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I fail to see the point of the above post...?

Whew, went into a blog and found a cat fight!

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