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Joe Paterno: 'Expansion is coming'

GAINESVILLE -- Talk of college football expansion is starting to heat up. Today's links:

1. Joe Paterno leads chorus of coaches calling for Big Ten expansion

"Expansion is coming," Paterno said. "I think the trend is there's going to be bigger conferences. There's going to be 12-, 14-team conferences and maybe even 16-team conferences.

"Do I know what I'm talking about? Who knows? We're naive if we think that you can sit back and watch everybody else move ahead, because they're going to move ahead. We better start thinking about where we're going."

2. If conference expansion comes true, college athletics will never be the same, by Dennis Dodd

Writes Dodd: We seem to be heading, inexorably, to the era of super conferences in college sports. To get there, there may be more conference shifting than ever experienced in the past.

Dodd goes on to write: Part of this particular arms race is about ego -- [Jim] Delany and the Big Ten staying ahead of Mike Slive and the SEC. The Big Ten reportedly pays out $22 million per school in football revenue per year. The SEC number is $17 million. The completion of the SEC deal is July followed the start of the [Big Ten Network] in 2006.

"If the Big Ten went to 16, the SEC wouldn't be far behind," said Tom Hansen, former Pac-10 commissioner. "It's all driven by football TV income."

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Good god UM , U better jump back into the Big East while U still can. If U are ever a member of a "super conference" your eroded mess will be exposed even worse. Is that possible?

How's that "take it or leave it" contract negotiation going? We all hope U sign him for at least 10 years so that we will continue to have great comedy. Go look at any Gator site that doesn't allow trolls. U don't hear the word scUM mentioned EVER. Nobody cares about some middle of the pack has been ACC chump. Seriously clowns that's what U are to elite teams. All the cheating and swagger doesn't mean anything anymore. You're now just a hair over .500 team that desperately clings to the past.

There are UF sites that moderate and don't allow UM trolls. You will never hear the word scUM ever mentioned on those sites because nobody cares about U! Enjoy your parachute pants and Oingo Boingo videos. Man U guys had swagger. Right here now in 2010 U suck.

How's that "take it or leave it" contract negotiation going? We all hope U sign him for at least 10 years so that we will continue to have great comedy

You hope Miami signs him for ten years but your comments suggest otherwise. You want him gone yesterday because you know whats coming. Why else would you promote A fire Shannon website. Regardless of the drivel you type the majority of Cane fans like what he is building at UM but you keep on with your tired little rants. Your AD made A smart move by backing out of this years game. Its one less loss the gators will have to deal with this year.

And yes every year the Canes and gators do not play is A year your AD backed out of the game. But hey, who can blame him? If you can only beat A team one time in 25 years I woulden't want to play them either.

Both programs signed a contract in 2006 to play in 2008 and 2013. That contract is in place still. Your imagination has gotten the best of you about "this years game." There is no game , never was U clown. But since we own the attendance record in your "stadium", U could have surely used the cash. We don't "back out" of non-existent games with ACC patsies but nice try has-been. What Randy is building? Good one. He's building a .600 team that gets killed in recruiting, loses coaches annually, has no fans, and can't even sniff a conference title game or BCS game. Oh yeah...he's building something alright. The gap has widened you Jacory pajama wearing clown. You keep rocking that "what Randy is building" nonsense though. It's funny. YOU MEAN TO TELL ME HE WENT 5-7, 7-5, 9-3??? NO WAY !! Surely a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP awaits. (can't help but laugh) As for "promoting a fire shannon" site, that's just funny dude. it links to that site just to annoy idiots like U...lmao. The majority of your fan base agrees with that site. There are a few delusional blog bozos like U that think U are worth a crap. Ur not. Please sign that clueless idiot for a decade so we can continue to own the recruiting grounds. His NW haul was a mirage, just like your 2010 program.

Ohhhhhhhhhh...the very scary big bad canes...

First comment on here a UF troll on a article about expansion goes off on Canes ??
we own your team and every thought in your little hoggtown head.

Uf backed out this year becuase they would get smacked in Miami, 5 losses for sure without even playing us. They will be the underdog
and will lose to
Bama
LSU
FSU
UG
Ark wich owes you one, those refs still out of work?

empty rhetoric. That's all U are. U've been that way for a very long time.

go win that pansy conference and get back to us. In the meantime continue to get clobbered by Wake Forest, NC, and Wisconsin

9-4 = .500??
Must be Uf math??
Um 3 wins against ranked opponents last year
how many UF have?

go get your nutz back from butch

VT slapped U like the D-2 bytches U are

Wisconsin thre your light in the pants defense around like a beach ball

Randy the dumbass did a great job losing to Clemson

U have NO DEPTH on your oline

Harris is the worst QB in the ACC

17 INTERCEPTIONS

U suck

Posted by: Ur a .500 team...rhetoric U | April 15, 2010 at 12:22 PM


You are A complete dooshbag. I honestly feel sorry for U. I hope you dont have children because I believe when the Canes win the ACC this year and return to the BCS they would be left fatherless if you do. Talk to A shrink, get help from someone because you are a danger to yourself.


I'm going to rename this blog: "Conversations I overheard while sitting in line at the DMV."

-jo-

Posted by: its called a contract U dumb cluck | April 15, 2010 at 11:45

I will repost it for you since your reading comprehension sux.

And yes every year the Canes and gators do not play is A year your AD backed out of the game. But hey, who can blame him? If you can only beat A team one time in 25 years I woulden't want to play them either.

Posted by: Over two decades | April 15, 2010 at 10:49 AM

Posted by: JoeGoodyMiaHrld | April 15, 2010 at 01:00 PM

More like diary of A mad man jo!

Joe,

Yep, that's all we hear down here on talk radio, T.V., food stamp lines...the canes and all their (cough, cough) glory.

I'm glad to see serious talk about conference expansion ESPECIALLY from the Big 10. Delaney had been blocking a D-I playoff for years with that silly Rose Bowl tie-in for his conference. He has been the Darth Vador of progressiveness in this area. If the Big Ten aligns into divisions and has a Championship game, we will only be a year or two away from a playoff...AT LAST!

reading some of the big 10 sites. It looks Missouri wants into the big 10 badly. Followed by Nebraska.

That could be the first to the sinking of the Big 12.

So your theory about Texas and TAMU may be more realistic then I first thought.

leaving miami out of the new super conference will effectively sink miami. UF and FSU would really open the flood gates into recruiting South Florida because they could pitch themselves as the elite programs in the state with their new super conference alliance

I think UM would be a last minute inclusion in a conference alignment. If we're down one team and need somebody to fill the gap, they'll get selected. It will be a tough sell though, the Univ Presidents aren't into charity, they would have to see the split money go up with each inclusion into the conference. UM doesn't bring a lot to the table as far as that goes, however, if we are running out of options and the choice is down to a Conf-USA, Sunbelt team or UM, I think UM would get the nod because of the regionality and rivalry with UF and FSU.

I think UF and FSU would fight to have it blocked. It is smart business for both schools to keep miami out.

the SEC will also have to make concessions on the amount of teams a school can field. Miami fields like 10 sports..the sec requires at least 20 (might be 25).


I think UM would be a last minute inclusion in a conference alignment. If we're down one team and need somebody to fill the gap, they'll get selected. It will be a tough sell though, the Univ Presidents aren't into charity, they would have to see the split money go up with each inclusion into the conference. UM doesn't bring a lot to the table as far as that goes, however, if we are running out of options and the choice is down to a Conf-USA, Sunbelt team or UM, I think UM would get the nod because of the regionality and rivalry with UF and FSU.

there will be no shortage of teams. The SEC will poach from the ACC (GT, FSU, Clemson, VT) before getting stuck looking into the conf-usa types. They could even look at the remnants of the big east like WVU.

In a perfect world, the SEC would like to spread its base to additional states. Does the SEC consider South Florida a separate state? Could the SEC make a play for Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State?

SEC West: Texas, Texas A&M, LSU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arkansas, Mississippi, Mississippi State

SEC East: Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, Kentucky

-jo-

go get your nutz back from butch

VT slapped U like the D-2 bytches U are

Wisconsin thre your light in the pants defense around like a beach ball

Randy the dumbass did a great job losing to Clemson

U have NO DEPTH on your oline

Harris is the worst QB in the ACC

17 INTERCEPTIONS

U suck

Posted by: Ur a .500 team...rhetoric U | April 15, 2010 at 12:22 PM

Read more: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/gator_clause/2010/04/joe-paterno-expansion-is-coming.html#ixzz0lCCDWiuS

while we are at it why don't u schedule a visit to Alabama and pose for a picture with what was supposed to be your national title so u can finally get some closure.

Here's a scenario to consider, if stuck with an odd number of teams, would the SEC consider booting out a traditional team that has been under-performing? Case in point---Vandy. How much does Vandy contribute to the sports revenue top line of the conference?

The allure of UM with its built-in rivalry with UF and FSU could trump the contribution of a team like Vandy...who, though respectable is not a juggernaut in anything sports oriented.

I don't mean to be crass but Miami offers the SEC nothing. UF will also see blood by blocking miami so I just don't see it happening

Jo is on the right track. For this to happen it would have to be to be opening the conferences up to new TV markets

The big 12 offers that to the big 10 and to the SEC.

Vanderbilt would never get the boot. They're in it for the long haul. Top-flight academic institution with DEEP Southern roots.

-jo-

Think about it...UF can sit back and let Miami in, at which point miami will bring in the same conference revenue as UF

OR

UF can block miami where the possibility of sinking the program completely exists. Keeping Miami out of the Super SEC could mean Miami is stuck with lower tier programs and slide into that same type of mediocrity

the end result is that UF is now the closest "elite" program to the fertile south florida recruiting grounds. THAT would be a huge windfall for UF.

and I know the "scared" comments are coming. However, it is a smart business decision to block miami.

I agree with Joe on the DEEP roots thing -- conference nepotism (I guess) at its finest. They would certainly squawk about losing that giant conference welfare check in January.

Regardless of what happens in the south, the Big Ten has been the kauck block on a playoff for a long time -- I'm just glad to see they are seeing the light....finally.

You know the scared comments are coming because its the truth. UF would do anything in its power to rid themselves of UM. They certainly could not do it by playing and beating them on A regular basis.

UF would fight tooth and nail to keep Miami out, that's a guarantee, but that doesn't mean it's the best thing. College football in the state of Florida would not be nearly as interesting if there wasn't a Big Three. Why not put them all in the same conference? In my opinion, it would strengthen the SEC as a whole to have the Big Three's crazy dynamic fighting it out every season.

-jo-

That is idiot talk. playing and beating them on a regular basis would never sink a program. UF has won like 5 or 6 in a row against FSU. I don't see FSU going anywhere.

However..starving a program from money and forcing them to remain in what will be a very watered down conference. That would sink a program.

Face it..Miami is sitting on something both FSU and UF want. Miami is also hemorrhaging money. Why would UF or FSU do anything to help them?

Jo from a fan perspective I agree with you. However, it is bad for business for FSU and UF to "help" miami.

Someone else will come up and replace miami. Whether it FIU (state school), USF or someone else.

Just like anything in business. Once you get rid of one your competitors. A new one will pop up not long after

I like the idea though of evaluating each conference contributor and quantifying what they bring to the table. I'm sure some number cruncher somewhere is computing everyone's contribution. At some point, I would have to believe the numbers would get so big that, on paper, booting a school out would make sense. Again, its all about the numbers and synergies a program presents. I think UM would yield some rivalry synergy (certainly not direct dollars) before a Vandy. Following that logic, UM needs FSU and UF more than either one of them needs UM (echoes of the sentiments in that SI article dated Sept 13, 1982).

I don't believe that expansion in the SEC will happen for expansion sake. The conference will be very discerning about who they will bring in, if anybody.

So floridas success the past few years has not helped their recruiting in south florida? There is more talent in Florida than UM,UF, and FSU can sign in A year. When you win the recruits follow. Bottom line is Miami has made UF look bad in the past and the brass at UF wants nothing to do with them.

"You know the scared comments are coming because its the truth"

U'all are like the old high school bully at the class reunion trying to start fights to relive the glory days when everyone else are successful and planning for their families future. "Come on...fight me..you're scared. That's right scUrred, now go back to your big house and successful career!

U'all and everyone else are successful?

What else is there to say?

It has helped recruiting. Miami dying off will benefit everyone though (FSU, UF, OSU, and whoever else has been recruiting South Florida like crazy)...it would benefit UF the most though. They will be the closest "relevant" school.

anyhow..I agree with CH-CH-CH. Expansion for expansion sake will not happen. Everything hinders on what happens with some of the Big 12 schools

AS long as there is an ACC, FSU will be a member, just my opinion.
Still waiting on mister .500 to name some ranked teams UF beat last year

Who has the largest margin of victory over the gators in the swamp the last 20 years?
25 points on a #6 ranked gators team.
Anyone? Anyone?

Posted by: roll those div-2 schools though | April 15, 2010 at 03:46 PM

You're on the blog therefore you have access to look it up on the internet. The internet is the same place you can find http://www.firecoachshannon.com/?page_id=2.

Canes Canes Canes!!!!

Who has the largest margin of victory over the gators in the swamp the last 20 years?
25 points on a #6 ranked gators team.
Anyone? Anyone?

Posted by: more records than specs | April 15, 2010 at 03:49 PM

I THINK I KNOW!!!

http://espndb.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=273142390


So what Virginia along with others whupped a down Miami team that year.
We came in the swamp and Greased a #6 (overated as always) gator team
Mo Sikes INT return shattered you guys, You could hear a pin drop all the way to Ocala LOL

"I have too much pride in myself and this football team to think something like this could happen," Miami coach Randy Shannon said. It did.

He's all yours!

UF does not want any part of UM.why else would they wait 5 years to play us agian MIAMI would have kicked their a..es.In 2008 the score was 9 to 3 in the fourth playing a bunch of freshmen imagine if harris would have started instead of marve.UF cant handle playing the U every year because that would put to much preasure on urban crier.

Posted by: atleast Grossman didnt cry! | April 15, 2010 at 04:20 PM

Nice to see you have Shandel's blog covered too.

good god the trolls are on here are pathetic.

Don't you have your own play-pen to spew your garbage on?

Lets be real. There is no love loss between florida and a few teams in the SEC. UT and UGA are at the top of the list. If they thought by adding Miami to the SEC it would keep UF in check they would do it at the drop of A hat. Whats really funny in all of this is gator fan dreaming of A way financially to make UM go away. Beat us on the field to make us go away. One win in the last 25 years did not accomplish that.

Whos Shandel??


Posted by: The []_[] | April 15, 2010 at 05:25 PM

By gator fan I mean U james.......

I didn't say it would work. I can see the logic and business decision behind the block though. There are no guarantee's in life..but if you have a chance to screw your competition, you did it

There really is no other reason to block miami outside of business.

I find it funny that you think anything that happens on the field >>> money.

Welcome to the real world where money talks


Posted by: James | April 15, 2010 at 06:28 PM

Is it really? I mean lets use baseball as an example because there is no salary cap. The marlins won two championships with A third of the payroll of the yankees or sox. The rays a couple of years ago? Look at Boise and TCU in college football last year. They finished ranked higher than alot of the big money SEC schools. Money helps dont get me wrong but its not the be all end all.

The Canes never had the best facilities, biggest stadium (or any stadium for that matter), or the highest paid coach. That did not stop them from building A football dynasty. Hell, who has more money than Notre Dame. How's that worked out for them?

You don't get my point.


MONEY TALKS...people makes decisions based on money. Not what happens on the field.

all this talk about expansion and re-alignment. It has nothing to do with the game..it has everything to do with the conferences trying to see how they can make the most money.

if Miami is offered into the SEC UF see's 2 things. Miami reaps same rewards as UF, financially speaking...

UF and Miami compete for the same recruits. great Recruits generally mean wins, wins mean money

or UF blocks miami and miami likely suffers financially. At the very least UF will have the upper hand. If the blocking of miami leaves miami twisting in the wind then UF would be the one likely to the reap the most rewards (i.e. recruits in Sofla) since UF is the closest school. More talent to choose from..likely more success...which in turn means...you guessed it...more moeny

in the end. I don't think this is anything anyone will have to worry about. The Big 10 will likely not expand to a super conference and the SEC will not offer Miami or anyone into the SEC.

Let 2010 do the talking.

Hilarious to see a mature conversation. Nobody here has to explain UM's status as it is already understood that they are on the outside looking in.

UF will never want UM in the SEC. Why would we. They had a chance long ago but felt that the prominence they once enjoyed trumped what the SEC offered. That prominence is long gone (see: winning, recruiting, balance sheet, fan base) and they are left groveling in the stepsister conference. They rolled the dice and lost.

UF on the othe hand paid its dues with decades of being kicked around by the UGA's and UA's. What we have built didn't come through taking advantage of things like avoiding a real conference, soft scheduling , or Uncle Luke's slush fund. It was created through an immense fan base andcthe work of the top AD in the nation. Those foundations aren't going away.


All this rambling about expansion and this team blocking this team and drying up their money, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. Let's do a different kind of analysis shall we? This guy "James" has 15 separate post on this blog along, covering a solid 6 hour expanse. This does not account for his mindless ramblings on other sites and blogs. Jimmy, either get a real life or get a job, because nobody, and I mean nobody, gives a damn about your warped view of conference expansion. I can see you now with your little war board and all your strategies lined out like a kid with an erector set. PLEASE, cease your boorish ramblings. The only one who's impressed with your psycho babble is yourself.


actually that post says more about you than me. Why do you care what I do? Why do care what is said on a UF board by UF posters?

I am not the one spending countless days and hours on a rival board under multiple screen names. What is your keyboard psychoanalysis of that creepy behavior?

I see it is your own insecurities seeping through that post. 1) you know your behavior on this board is far more questionable than mine 2) you know you can't engage in any sort of conversation that requires thought.

Posted by: We all knew trolls would come back with stats from their forgotten past | April 16, 2010 at 06:14 AM

It's people like you that make it impossible to have A mature conversation. Some of the stuff you post is rediculous. I have no problem saying florida has been alot better than the canes the last 4 to 5 years. I can honestly say I dont think they will be better this year.

James, Are you the same guy that posted on Shandels blog all the time A while back. He was A level headed gator fan is why I am asking.

yes

You have to realize that UF or anyone's point of view what happens if Miami were to join the SEC. No one will ever get a recruit out of south florida that miami wants...ever

Right now, for UF, UGA, LSU and any other SEC school that comes into south florida. The SEC is a major selling point. Kids do like the idea of playing the SEC. If miami is included that selling point is moot AND miami is the local choice. Local choice wins 9 times out of 10..10 out of 10 is everything is equal.

Miami also is not a state school...the state politicians will use UF to push for FSU inclusion. Miami will not get the same support.

South Carolina would not want Clemson into the SEC for the same reason I described above. However, like UF/FSU..they share the same boss as clemson and that boss will make south carolina push for clemson's inclusion

If it came to expansion and Miami was A thought for the SEC the UT, UGA, and Alabama's would be smart to include Miami to keep UF in check in recruiting south Florida. You think the SEC wants UF to be able to cherry pick South Florida recruits?

I thought so. How do you think this year shakes out for UF and UM?

Kind of a double edged sword. They probably think they have a better chance against UF then they would against Miami.

Look..if the SEC wants Miami then Miami will be int he SEC (if miami accepts) and regardless of UF says or tries to do.


honestly..I think both 10 games

Wo knows whats going to happen with expansion but it makes for intresting conversation. 10 games sounds about right to me for the Canes but we need to stay healthy. The gators have the talent to win 10 but all those young guys are going to have to grow up quick.

our schedule is pretty manageable. We will definitely not be favored against Bama...there might be only one of other game we are not favored (LSU)

and there's James....he's off & running...AGAIN

Ha ha ha 10 games? Nice try "d" bag!

The canes will go undefeated and the gators will be lucky to in 8 games.

Hi Alan!

Go 'canes!

Ours is not..... If we lose two and I think we will one has to be A OOC game. The obvious OOC game would be OSU but for some reason I think we win that game. Pitt does not scare me so we could lose two conference games and that would be bad with tie breakers and such.

Posted by: Sarasota 'cane | April 16, 2010 at 10:15 AM

This guy is not A Cane fan. He's playing fakey. Oh well, It was nice while it lasted.

Posted by: some things never change | April 16, 2010 at 10:04 AM


I guess the irony of you calling someone out for posting on THEIR team board..a board you troll all day every day is not quite sinking.

Keep making yourself look pathetic. I won't get in the way

The U -- 10 wins will put you in the ACC champ game, imo

Any realistic Cane fan would be happy to make the ACC champ game but I think we need to win it this year. This year the gators will probably take A step back in the SEC. Next year when all those young players start to jell look out.

Those 10 wins depend on where the losses come from.


I rather win em all, but if we gotta lose, let it be OOC (hopefully not Ohio st. Though)

Sorry gator fans, OOC = Out of Conference. Try pronouncing it first.

the U...the sec east is really weak this year. The only team worth a damn will be south Carolina and they need to get their QB situation settled. However, they should have the best defense in the entire SEC.

I expect about 2 losses this year. 1 loss would be great...3 losses would suck but understandable. 4 losses would be an absolute failure.


I was only referring to the regular season when I said 10 wins. If miami gets to the acc champ game (which I think they do) they have as good a shot as any to win it...


we will win at least 10 games jimmy. you guys will fade

USC will be A tuff game for UF. Spurrier would give his first born to beat the gators. The problem for UF is if they win their side there's the elephant on the other side to contend with. IMO if UF makes the SEC title game the season would be A success as they are sooo young.

Posted by: Tough guy meyer | April 16, 2010 at 10:55 AM

That leaves losing to FAMU (never gonna happen) Pitt, could but doubt it and USF. For recruiting purposes alone we have to beat them wich I think we will.

IT'S ALL ABOUT DA WAS! IT'S ALL ABOUT DA WAS! IT'S ALL ABOUT DA WAS! IT'S ALL ABOUT DA WAS! IT'S ALL ABOUT DA WAS!

...the refrain from Lufor's follow up hit to the 30/30 soundtrack released earlier this year.

Been reading the posts about the SEC expanding. The one thing to remember guys is that basketball money will be going head-to-head with football money when decisions are being made to "jump" conferences. Don't know how motivated a Clemson or G-Tech would be to walk away from ACC b-ball money for SEC football money. Would like to be a fly on the wall when that analysis is done.

I don't think Clemson is one of the schools the SEC will consider if any of this expansion stuff actually comes to pass. One source told me that the South Carolina market is too small.

-jo-

Da Was,

Considering that u continuously put (formerly da u) after everytime u make that dumb joke proves that it ain't funny, catchy or clever...

Imagine of every joke was followed by an explanation for the punch line.


U must be a nerd man, seriously.

UFelon (formerly UF. get it? Because they report 27 arrests in the last four seasons. These arrests include DUI, theft, multiple assaults to both male and females, and drug charges)

doesn't have the same ring to it does it?

NERD

NERD -- didn't that word die off years ago? That and the word "Negro" (Harry Reid reference).

Your language AND football reality are stuck in the past. Even your homophobia is passe'.

Da'WAS

INSTANT CLASSIC

Not homophobic at all. Trying to make a point.

ScUM got completely DISMISSED in this thread for good reasons

Turds were completely clubbed over the head with a 2x4 in this thread.

No seriously, you were discussed in terms of being little underlings.

U are.

How lame -- Canes impersonating 'Bama fans to get out their hate-jones.

Would you expect any less?

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