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GaySoFla.com remembers Lawrence "Larry" King - A Young Hero

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BY DAVID L. WYLIE

According to friends and family, Lawrence “Larry” King should be remembered as a brave young man who was willing to endure being ridiculed and ostracized for just being himself. A public memorial service for King, 15, is scheduled for 3 p.m. Friday at Westminster Presbyterian Church in Port Hueneme, California. This week King’s life is also being celebrated at scores of candlelight vigils and gatherings across the United States and around the world.

Lawrence “Larry” Fobes King was born on January 13, 1993 to Greg & Dawn King. Described by his father as headstrong, confident and sweet, Larry loved to sing. “He had a very gifted voice,” his father said.
In fact, Lawrence had spent a considerable amount of time studying the Star Spangled Banner. He had hopes of singing it at his little brother’s baseball games. Friends had encouraged Lawrence to try out for American Idol.
Lawrence also had a special bond with animals and had built a special connection with a stray dog named Jasmine. “She’d fetch for Larry, but anyone else that tried to come near her she’d run,” remembers Greg.
According to students at his school, Lawrence King was openly gay and he was teased often by other students because of his nonconformist behavior and style of dress.
Lawrence King’s young life was tragically ended when he was shot in the head one week ago (February 12, 2008) in a classroom at E.O. Green Middle School in Oxnard, California. He was pronounced brain-dead the next day. Lawrence King was taken off a ventilator late February 14.
Lawrence King’s family decided to donate his organs. Because of his rare type-A blood, Lawrence King will live on through the donation of seven vital organs. According to his father, a young child received Lawrence’s heart on Valentine’s Day. As details emerged of Lawrence’s passing, the hearts of thousands around the world were touched by this senseless tragedy. In death his life has made an indelible mark upon the world.
Witnesses identified the shooter as a classmate, Brandon McInerney, 14. The young man was arrested shortly after the shooting and has been charged with first-degree murder and the use of a firearm to commit a crime. He is also being charged with a hate crime.
The family of Lawrence King has refused to comment on the shooting investigation or anything relating to Lawrence’s struggles. They would rather focus on celebrating their son’s life. Besides his mother and father, Lawrence King is survived by his younger brother, two older brothers and an older sister.
On Saturday, February 16, over 1000 young people turned out Saturday for a hastily organized peace march to remember Lawrence King. Police, school officials and even the two high school sophomores who organized the event were surprised by the turnout. Through word of mouth, fliers, text messages and MySpace Bulletins, the youth of Oxnard heard about the event and they came. They came to celebrate Lawrence’s life and they came to plea for tolerance on school campuses for those who are different. The “peace circle” formed at Plaza Park in downtown Oxnard was made up of Goths and Punks and Skaters. Their presence sent a clear and simple message to the world. The hate and violence must stop.
“What he did was really brave-to wear makeup and high-heeled boots,” Erin King, 12, told the Los Angeles Times. Mings, who hung out with Lawrence at school, said he was an outgoing and funny boy who stood his ground. “When people came up and started punking him, he just stood up for himself,” Ming said.
In the weeks and months to come there will be those that will cite the killing of Lawrence King as they debate the merits of passing federal hate crime legislation. There will be ample opportunity to hold the main stream media accountable for their willingness to sweep this story ‘under the rug’. Hopefully this tragedy will prompt educators to revisit their policies and procedures on bullying and this killing will move parents to sit down and have a long and serious discussion with their children about the idea of the importance of acceptance in a civilized society.
But for now we should mourn the passing of a life cut short at such a young age. The possibilities never realized, the dreams never achieved and the potential never even given a chance...all these were lost when Lawrence King was taken. We should pause to remember the life of this child of God, created in the Divine’s own image, molded by the Creator’s very hands. Let’s celebrate the courage of this young man and let’s encourage our children to emulate his willingness to be true to himself, even in the face of adversity. Lawrence “Larry” King, the epitome of the word HERO…
Martin Luther King said, “Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.” Let’s drive out the darkness of violence by sharing rays of hope and love. Gaysofla.com readers are encouraged to take a moment to sign the internet condolence book set up by Lawrence King’s family at Remember Larry or visit Remembering Lawrence for information about gatherings and vigils around the country that are being organized to remember and celebrate the life of this young man.

David L. Wylie is the Senior Editor of Gaysofla.com The information for this memorial was compiled from printed news reports and interviews with King family members. Gasofla.com is south
Florida’s premier online media outlet for the LGBT community. Wylie can be reached at david@gaysofla.com

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Cam,

The story of the destruction of Sodom – Genesis 19:1-29. If you read this story, you’ll quickly see that the men of the city of Sodom wanted to commit a brutal, homosexual rape ("brutal" is there any other kind?). We simply cannot condemn a sexual orientation because of a rape. There is a heterosexual rape described in the next passage shall we condemn heterosexuality because of this rape?

Any reasonable person will understand that this passage has nothing to say about loving, consensual homosexual relationships.

While I respect its your belief:

"The time will come when you and I will be sitting in front of God for our judgements"-Cam

They are not mine, however should you be right I will be confident knowing, Im a good human being who has not tried to judge people misusing gods words to condem an intire orinitation ..

I question then when you are judged how you will feel being judged on your belief that there is no difference between my words and these from Jeff:

"Another homo bites the dust. At least the world is spared another fruit cake from getting aids and giving it to everyone else."

"He got blown away. His fault. He isn't a hero."

Remembering we are talking about a 15 year old child. Who had faced persecution and hatered for living his truth, before ultimately being killed for it!

I believe

"You can twist the word wife if you wish, however you can't twist the words Mother and Father."-Cam

Cam, I dont seek to twist the words of your belief! I have shown them respect and read them and then read them again. I came to a different belief of there meaning one that Jimmy Creech, senior pastor of the First United Methodist Church also came too. If more people read the bible in that way the world would be a happier and more peaceful place for all. your Gods words would not be brought into a conversation about the murder of a 15 year old boy.... His words would not be used as a justifacation... others would not be so prepaired to think "Gods Children" or "belivers" were somehow involved.

Mother and Father is correct it did take a man a female to make a child (without science) it still does. I havent read anything on the translation it may have said parents i dont know (but will look into it)?

Thats not to say gay people cant be great parents because I know many and they are...(they just have alot more worries about how people will judge them Cam and wether people will treat their kids mean because they don't like them....Not how life should be) the bible doesnt mention aeroplanes or motor bikes or new medicines or space flights... those things were not understood at the time!

"I can only use the knowledge I have. Your interpretations on the Bible are far far fetched, I think YOU see the things you want to see."-Cam

Cam, you can always add to the knowlage you have. When I read your bible I was actualy trying to understand why religion and faith often leeds to war. My understanding about the misuse of the bible to condem an entire orientation was a side dicovery (a revolation if you will) I then looked if other people had made that understanding and there where many world wide Including bible experts I pointed out one of the American ones since you live there.

My belief will not change either way, so I take offence to yor statement that I only see what I want to see. I wanted to think it was a book to create war and divisions. I came out of it thinking it was a book that saught to make man be a good person. Some of it I still find silly some I have pointed out above. but over all its about being good to your fellow man. Theres nothing wrong with that!

"You and I debating our beliefs and opinions has no point, as we seem to be repeating the same things over and over again."-Cam

Cam, I think there is always a point to converstaton maybe this conversation should have took place in the home of the boy that killed Lawrance.

You have made me think, made me laugh at times made me mad, I get more now where your coming from. I hope I have made you think laugh and hopefully not too mad.

-Shane

Shane,

I have felt quite similar feelings toward your comments as well.

"You have made me think, made me laugh at times made me mad"

It is clear we will never see eye to eye, we are both strong in our beliefs.

"Cam, I think there is always a point to converstaton maybe this conversation should have took place in the home of the boy that killed Lawrance."

Good point, although at times it felt that our conversation was going nowhere fast. My concern with it was that I feel all I did was have to defend myself against you, and defend the Bible as well. I tried to answer your questions, however all you seemed to be interested in was how you could take my words and thoughts and use them as weapons against Christianity or just to prove me wrong (EX. wife possibly meaning anything besides a woman, lol). A good conversation is a little give and take or it turns into a never ending circle.

Have you found me to be disrespectful in any way? Have I not repeated over and over that what happened to Larry was a horrible thing, murder is never the answer to anything. My best friend believes herself to be a lesbian, and we love each other, we are respectful of each other's thought, feelings, and beliefs. I feel nothing but love for her. I find it insulting that you have taken my idea's and made them into something hateful.


"My belief will not change either way, so I take offence to yor statement that I only see what I want to see. - Shane"

Don't you think I felt the exact same way when you said those words to me? Remeber it must always be a two way street.

I hope that if you took anything from this conversation it's that when you say hurtful things about Christians and dismiss us (not all, some give us a bad name) It makes you no better than the person who says hurtful things about Homosexuals.

I guess we shall wait and see what the future brings in terms of God's return to earth as well as judgment day.

I can't resist this one last thing:

"Do you know that pedophiles have nothing to do with sexuality its a power thing ? If thats where your hate comes from I'm sorry for you! 89% of pedophiles are straight Jeff! If its not whats with all the hate ? - shane"

Definition of Pedophilia:
"Pedophilia or paedophilia (Commonwealth usage) is the primary or exclusive sexual attraction by adults to prepubescent children. A person with this attraction is called a pedophile or paedophile.[1] The ICD-10 and DSM IV, which are standard medical diagnosis manuals, describe pedophilia as a paraphilia and mental disorder of adults or older adolescents, if it causes clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning. - Wikipedia"

notice it says nothing of power, in fact lawmakers are trying to get Pedophilia out of the DSM, removing the mental illness part. Just as was done with Homosexuality back in the 70's. There is very little difference except for the people they are attracted to.

Definition of Homosexuality:
"Homosexuality refers to sexual behavior or attraction between people of the same sex, or to a sexual orientation. The latter refers to a person's enduring identity as disposed to romantic and sexual attractions and relationships with those of the same sex, and not narrowly to their sexual behavior.[1] Homosexuality is contrasted with heterosexuality (opposite-sex attraction), bisexuality (opposite and same-sex attraction) and asexuality (lack of sexual attraction).

Take notice the only difference in definition, is one is attracted to the same sex, one to children. I KNOW this is going to make you mad, which is not my intention. My point being that if God made Homosexuals born that way, He must have made Pedophiles, right? so that must mean both are just fine. Please understand I clearly get the difference between two consenting adults, and the violation of a child. I also get that both homosexuals and heterosexuals are pedophiles. THE POINT IS BOTH ARE SINS.

I know you will have some clever answer lined up so I will say in advance....

I agree to disagree.

I enjoyed talking with you,

You can have the last word, so have atter.......

P.S.... not that it really matters LOL, but I am not American, I am Canadian.


Cam,
Im glade, I hope the mad part wasn't too mad!

"Don't you think I felt the exact same way when you said those words to me? Remeber it must always be a two way street."-Cam

I tried to be mindful of that Cam, I meant no offence to you in saying:

"You choose to see what you want to see"

I meant only that you live by this book its not easy to look at it again and say it could infact be read that way. Your hurdle is higher than mine I looked at it with fresh eyes. For you, it has to take an honest heart and an open mind.

"Take notice the only difference in definition, is one is attracted to the same sex, one to children."-Cam

Please take notice then that the only difference in defenition for hetrosexuals is that one is attracted to the oposite sex, one to children.

"I am not even comparing the acts of homosexuality and Pedophilia to be the same thing, they are very very different."-Cam

Good you shouldn't and Yes they are very different!

Again 89% of them are straight !

"THE POINT IS BOTH ARE SINS."-Cam

Cam the point is they are not:

One is a Sin.

"There are biblical references that condemn same-sex sexual behavior, but they are all within contexts related to violence, idolatry, promiscuity and exploitation.

Careful reading within the historical setting reveals that it is the violence, idolatry, promiscuity and exploitation that is condemned, not the same-sex sexual behavior.

The same condemnation is given to opposite-sex sexual behavior that is violent, idolatrous, promiscuous and exploitative." -Jimmy Creech, senior pastor of the First United Methodist Church, in Omaha, Nebraska

My opinion that Pedophilia is about "a power thing" comes for some research papers I have read and a documentary that concluded that its not so much the sex they get off on it the power:

"Pedophiles work to master their manipulative skills and often unleash them on troubled children by first becoming their friend, building the the child's self esteem. They may refer to the child as special or mature, appealing to their need to be heard and understood then entice them with adult type activities that are often sexual in content such as x-rated movies or pictures. They offer them alcohol or drugs to hamper their ability to resist activities or recall events that occurred."-from the net

Based on the papers and the doco,seems to be why they swap from child to child. Look at the case of The notorious Catholic priest Oliver O'Grady (he was straight) - who sexually abused children for 20 years, including a 9-month-old baby -there is a chilling documentary about him 'Deliver Us From Evil.' He got off on the fact the parents would trust him with their Children that he had power over them. More then the sex, He says, it was the power.

It make me mad, sad, and turns my stomach!

"hope that if you took anything from this conversation it's that when you say hurtful things about Christians and dismiss us (not all, some give us a bad name) It makes you no better than the person who says hurtful things about Homosexuals."

I didnt think I had said anything hurtful about "Christians" I do find some parts silly but the over all message but for a few missunderstandings is positive. Be good to your fellow Man!

You may have missed earlier when i wrote:

"People of the gay creed have always been good to me lots of people of the religous creed here at least have been good to me. Lots of athiest people have been good to me. Lots of asians have been good to me,Lots of Blacks have been good to me and so on."

"It is clear we will never see eye to eye, we are both strong in our beliefs."-Cam

I have hope one day we will... I think if the bible was read in the right way the world would be a much happier and peaceful place. I think Theresa's words point to how the book should be read.

"I saw that Christianity was brought up in a prior discussion. Now I don't really quote the Bible, but I remember that Jesus said something like "love thy brother and sisters". I don't recall a disclaimer that said if you were of a certain race, creed or sexuailty that you were excluded! Jesus preached of love, no matter who you are."-theresa

That seems right to me..even if I disagree with the things she wrote following that..

Takecare, Cam my Canadian cousin.

-Shane

Well there you have it folks. Gays never commit sin or do anything wrong to anyone. All those murders committed by gays never happened. All those raping of male children by gays never happened. Gays demand we goose step to their tune or they want to come over and kill you. If you so much as breathe heterosexuality to this queer, he fights tooth and nail to promote his homosexual superiority. Of course the moron cant beget children other than a turd that he can call son. But what they hey, who needs values or morals with flaming homo's running around trying to destroy families and marriage. We have gays. Who needs values when we have gays to lead us to shangri-la!

All hail our gay overlords.

Oh Shane, perhaps you can have concentration camps for the heterosexuals. You know force them believe in homosexuality and learn to embrace their evil side. Those who won't turn you can exterminate. I seem to remember a man who like to exterminate people.....Hiplet, Hetner, HipHop...oh wait Hitlet. Maybe the hetero's can wear little stars on them to.

Idiocy Revealed,

You seem to have missed the point....

Gay Straight or Bi makes no statement wether you will or will not murder, rape, kill or harm....

That comes down to the person. All are capable. If your argument is that, representive of all those group have comited such acts! Yes they have! If your argument is that, I dont think there are some gay people that have done bad things or comited crimes. You are wrong.

"Maybe the hetero's can wear little stars on them to."-Idiocy Revealed

"Idiocy Revealed" I think No one should ever have been forced to wear stars on there arms in the first place and No one should ever be forced to wear stars on there arms again.

I don't know what point you are trying to make but supporting the ideas of ("Hitlet" maybe you meant) Hitler is not normaly a good starting point ? Nor is it in good taste. The comparison does not work to your advantage or favour.

I don't suport superiority "Idiocy Revealed" I suport equality, freedom and respect. I happen to think life is better when we help each other not hurt each other. That may be a novel concept to you but its admirable I believe.

We all get angry.... But I dont get what your trying to say Idiocy Revealed ?

-Shane

Shane:

"I suport equality":Only for gays. Anyone who disagrees with a gay must be beaten or killed. Did you not threaten someone earlier to fly out and hurt him?

"freedom and respect": Only for gays. You trash marriage by demanding everyone bend over for you. You don't respect the wishes of the majority. You engage in petty fascism in order to get your way.

"I happen to think life is better when we help each other not hurt each other. That may be a novel concept to you but its admirable I believe."

Going back to threatening Jeff above to fly out to his home. If the man disagrees with you and feels you are destructive to society, it is his feeling. You have no right to harm him as he has no right to harm you. But the mere fact you were willingly to harm him and your justification was because he disagreed with you vehemently shows your true colors. You would do what Hitler did if you could get away with it. The only problem is you would end up exterminating mankind right along with you.

When AIDS ravaged the world (and still does) you jump with glee with every hetero that dies. I wonder if it because it gives you the ability to no longer take responsibility for your own destruction now that you have placed that burden on a population that did nothing to you.

Idiocy Revealed,

Or should I call you Jeff ?

Like I said to you, We all get angry...

Like I've already posted a ton of times here. I've never said Im perfect but I do the best I can!

I was angry about Jeffs statement about the murder of a 15 year old child, his call to war and his statements of hate.

And wrote the following:

"When I first read your posts I wanted to smack the stupid outa you! But now I wanna get you help. Do you guys have that saying over there "Twenty cents short of a dollar" ? I think that sums you up!"-Shane

and to you I wrote the following:

I happen to think life is better when we help each other not hurt each other. That may be a novel concept to you but its admirable I believe."

That was how I felt! I wont run from a fight but I dont try to start them! I will stick up for anyone being picked on as I have said to Jeff!
Even if it was him.

So whats ya point ?

Like i said to Jeff:

"Live and let live Jeff! If you want to be a hero Jeff maybe you should try sticking up for gay people when people give them shit theres no courage in just joining the pact."

Your comments on AIDS are to stupid to get into!

I still dont see any clear point ?

Your rehashing posts way past that have already been covered by other who have made far more clear arguments then your's!

Is there a point ?

-Shane

Shane...

The point was this. If this world really was for gays then you would very much be the majority. Since you are not, you have zero right to demand that everybody bow down and agree with you.

You even twisted the bible around to make it look good for you. That is low. You stood and seriously told cam that Ruth and Naomi were same sex lovers. They were mother and daughter. You know that. That is low. You wonder why you can't get respect, why people hate you, now you do. You try to justify the wrong by making it right and making what is right, completely wrong.

Moral relativism is the death of society. Heterosexuality is the right way. Homosexuality is the wrong way. Very simple, very forthright. You were not brought into this world by any other means outside of sperm and egg. Creation or evolution dictates that male and female are required components. You are not, nor shall you ever be a fundamental or societal building block. That is reserved for a man and a woman. Once you understand why they are valuable, you will learn your place in society.

Jeff/Idiocy Revealed,

Perhaps some things are best left not said... If that is your point:

" If this world really was for gays then you would very much be the majority"-Idiocy Revealed

It seems to me to be a rather stupid one..

I would point to the fact there are more Chinese (1,322,806,000) then there are Americans (303,540,491). Source CIA world fact book.

If this world really was for Americans then you would be very much the majority not a minority dont you think ?

So i feel its a dumb point. I Dont get were you are going with that one ?

"Since you are not, you have zero right to demand that everybody bow down and agree with you."-Idiocy Revealed

You really have issues if thats what you took from this discussion. I bow down to no man and ask no man to bow down to me. I believe equality is a human right a right of birth!

But if thats how you believe the world should work then by all means bow you head to China you know if thats your belief!

On the other point, I think you may need to read the bible again Ruth and Naomi were not birth mother and daughter. It doesnt say they had sex but it does use the words to state that there relationship was more like a married couple/ partners then friends.

I havent said anything here that I dont believe to be true! I have found Cam to be far more intelegent and insightful then you (My quite some large factor, have been so far.. Out of kindness to you I add that)

I dont think Cam's mind has been changed or Cam has conceded anything... What I took from our conversation was that Cam will look at it. Lots of people have looked at it and saw it can be read that way. Some Bible experts have read it and said it must be read that way!

It all depends I think In what type of god you have ....

What you thought your Gods over all message was...

"You even twisted the bible around to make it look good for you."-Idiocy Revealed

So you think it looks good for me or homosexuals if read that way... it is your choice! The fact you can see the point is good enough for me.

I havent twisted anything like i said to Cam, I read the bible for a very different reason it was then I came to a different belief of the meaning one that Jimmy Creech, senior pastor of the First United Methodist Church and other also came too.

If more people read the bible in that way the world would be a happier and more peaceful place for all.

Something I learnt from my converstation with Cam came when we were talking about this:

Corinthians 6:9 – “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders”

"Still applies to us because it is in the new testament. Here is where things get sticky because of differing perspectives. I believe "homosexual offenders" to be the entire population of homosexuals, not a small specific group of prostitutes, why else would the two be separated."-cam

Now while I knew about the translation. I knew the two discription and what they meant.

But why would it not just have one term for the whole group ?

Unless the way I had read it was right ? Unless what it sort to do through using the two diferent discriptions was to make it clear that it was not against homosexuals but rather the type of acts.

Being prostitution (promiscuity for money) and old men paying for sex (the exploitation).

Were I wrong it would just state all homosexuals!

There are biblical references that condemn same-sex sexual behavior, but they are all within contexts related to violence, idolatry, promiscuity and exploitation.

Careful reading within the historical setting reveals that it is the violence, idolatry, promiscuity and exploitation that is condemned, not the same-sex sexual behavior.

The same condemnation is given to opposite-sex sexual behavior that is violent, idolatrous, promiscuous and exploitative."

"Moral relativism is the death of society."-Idiocy Revealed

What a boring argument! People used to say people who believed the world was round would be the death of the society:

That the world was flat, was once considered truth.

We live we learn we grow !

"Heterosexuality is the right way. Homosexuality is the wrong way."

To me they are both equaly beautiful! Which one is right for you depends on your own truth / how you were born!

Like i said to Cam who was far more reasonable then you.

Matt. 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged."

and "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

"You were not brought into this world by any other means outside of sperm and egg."-Idiocy Revealed

I have never argued that point, However a sperm and a egg does not make a family.. Love, want and care does. Millions and Millions of gay parents, Infertie couples, single parents and foster parents prove that quite beautifully.

"You are not, nor shall you ever be a fundamental or societal building block."-Idiocy Reveald.

One of the dubest statements I have read. Do you not understand the meaning of those words grouped together ? On that point you are so wrong proved so with every day see above!

Have you learnt nothing from the bible you claim to uphold ? that is the most un-Christian statement I have read for a long long time! Gay people become parents all the time around the world every single day!

"Once you understand why they are valuable, you will learn your place in society."-Idiocy Revealed

You and your views are the reason your religion is dying. The more people that see you make statements like with the claimed justification of your God the more people are turned off by it each and every day.

"You will learn you place in society" sounds so much like the talk in the past and sadly even the present about about Blacks in your country it really is quite discusting!

Take off your sheets and show yourself !!!

-Shane




Oh my dear Shane:

Does it pain you so to realize that you are simply condemned in this life and the next? Face friendo, you are gay whether by choice or not, makes no difference. The world does not revolve around you. Not now, not ever. Eventually, you will come to terms with your choices in life. Or not.

You twist every argument or statement with a strawman. Science is pretty complex and yet simple. You failed to understand the sperm and egg theory so let me try again: No matter how loving two fags are, you can never, ever, ever bring a child into this world. There is only one family: a mother and a father. Two fathers, two mothers do not, nor shall they, ever constitute a family.

Since you cannot procreate, you have no standing in our society to demand marriage, much less equality for rights of marriage. Those are reserved for your betters. That would us.

As much as you try to find gay love in the bible, koran, and the torah, the word is clear: Homosexual Offender. You damned yourself by participating the act of homosexuality.

However like the retarded kid with downs syndrome 2+2 for you is 17. The rest of the world sees 4. Since you enjoy killing yourselves and your loved ones, please engage in more gay sex. Please do it unprotected as well. The world needs a population reduction and since you value nothing including your lives, we might as well start with you. And with that lovely new Staph infection that is vaccine resistant, it already has. Good luck friend-o.

Jeff/Idiocy Revealed,

Some people seem more intelligent when the say or write nothing. I think.... No I'm sure you are one of those people.

"Does it pain you so to realize that you are simply condemned in this life and the next?"-Idiocy Revealed

Truthfully No, I've already said I dont believe in your God... thats a problem for you not I. I thank you for your concern... but I think you need to look a lot closer to home and worry about how you will be judged. I have no fear...My role in humanity has been a good one thus far!

"The world does not revolve around you. Not now, not ever."-Idiocy Revealed

Every time you speak you seem only to demonstrate your stupidity! Now I (and anyone who reads this) know science isnt your strong point. So pay attention the world is round and spins around the Sun. We the people are on the round, earth which spins and revolves around the sun.

You and I revolve around the sun equally.

"Since you cannot procreate"-Idiocy Revealed

Same sex couples create life every day I know you are slow to grasp most things but understand that, as you have said, all it takes is an egg and sperm. Now if its to females, its one of their eggs and donated sperm. Or If its two males its one of their sperm and a surrogate. So your comment is stupid the fact you continue to make it only amplifies your stupidity. It can not change what is an absoulte fact!

As I said earlier:

" However a sperm and a egg does not make a family.. Love, want and care does. Millions and Millions of gay parents, Infertie couples, single parents and foster parents prove that quite beautifully."-shane

"Those are reserved for your betters. That would us."-Idiocy Revealed

You would be pushing it to call yourself anyones better I can honestly I am sure you a one of the worst human beings on this planet. The comment you make I think embarases all people of your faith. Like I said ealier you are the reason your religion is dying.

"However like the retarded kid with downs syndrome 2+2 for you is 17. The rest of the world sees 4."-Idiocy Revealed

I would ask that your not make fun or sick children to try to make what I think you meant to be a point( even if I dont actualy see any!).

It again is not in good taste nor is it to your advantage or favour.

"Since you enjoy killing yourselves and your loved ones, please engage in more gay sex. Please do it unprotected as well."-Idiocy Revealed

Dont you get tired of making the same dumb coments over and over again ? Your comment seems far from Christian and lacking of any actual thought. Like i said you have a way to heavy interest in gay sex ! I said it before I'll say it again STDs care not if you are straight or gay or just a simple idiot, everyone needs to wrappit.

"The world needs a population reduction and since you value nothing including your lives, we might as well start with you."-Idiocy Revealed

You cant even make a consistent argument:

On one hand your saying your saying that you belive gays cant procreate so they have no place

&

On the other you seem to be calling for population control.. So your calling for more gays ??

You and I are not friends,
No mater how desperate you are for friends it can not and will not be...

Truth be told you bore me...
You lack anything new, interesting or honestly anything even resembling intelligent discussion.

-shane

That America was founded as a Christian country upon Christian ideals seems to be missed by all parties. Homosexuals enjoy "rights" in other countries that they do not enjoy in the US. Exactly! Because our founding fathers believed in a Creator God who endowed his creations with certain inalienable rights - life, liberty, and property. Brandon was wrong for depriving Lawrence of his God-given right to life. Who cares what his motive was. The bottom line is he both sinned against God and committed a crime against society for which he should be punished. Thanks to the Supreme Court, Brandon is not eligible for the death penalty, which would have been the appropriate punishment in our founders time.
Time to wake up, patriots and read both the federal and your state constitutions. Don't let your rights be eroded and protect your Christian heritage!

SCSEsq,

YAWN

Get a Life and a dick up you !

Your an Idiot did you even read the debate here its pretty impressive...

You lose.

My heart goes out to this boy and his family!

Great blog I've never wanted to be an Australian but that guy cant be beat. You rednecks got schooled!

Just let people be.

Thanks, Phil.

This article was, is and always will be about Larry. Nothing else. Not about hateful and ridiculous comments but about Larry and his life and most importantly about love. Larry had the courage to love himself and be who he was, despite the fear and animosity that came with it. He was just a boy who had a hard life and still had a beautiful smile on his face despite that too. As a mother of a young child and a sister of someone who died of a violent crime,my prayers and thoughts are with those who knew Larry and were touched by his life. LOVE ALWAYS OVERCOMES HATE. Larry this will always be about you.

LOVE ALWAYS OVERCOMES HATE-reva

I wish that was true Reva if it was Larry would still be alive : (

The Brit: If anyone got schooled it was the australian. All he did was cry and whine about people who disagreed with him. And threatened people. And made up a bunch of fake stuff regarding the bible, and science as a whole. I mean the guy sat there and ran a whole conspiracy theory.

Anyway, I am sorry that Lawrence King got shot. If only his parents knew he was going to be a homo, they would have had the chance to abort him and save themselves the pain. This is why abortion must be kept legal my bible thumping friends. If homosexuality is genetic then doctors have the obligation to let parents know about it and let them decide. I really cannot believe that any parent would willingly have a gay baby.

Roe vs Wade must stand!

I vote Ghost is Jeff,

If that guy wasn't so WEAK and SICK he'd be funny.

Jeff you had every chance to make an argument or statement to challenge aussie shanes arguments, But you didnt and couldnt... coming back now and trying again... I mean really it makes you look even more weak and stupid.

Phills the one that said you got schooled but I read all the posts and the only one who cried and whined was you son. He gave you science and bible leasons... I'll never read the bible the same way..(the guy was right)

You got taught about humanity and all things... You had no game son. You just repeated the same toolish things over and over. He walked all over you. You made dumb comments about hitler and disabled kids and he floged you.

I bet you wish now that Steve Rothaus had just deleted your comments. Then you would look like such a tool. What is the consiracy theory ? That the US government made aids I looked it up and its true WHO (World Health Orginisation) has records on it there was a UN meeting about it and after it Clinton did make it a national security issue. The document the Shane points too is listed and is avalible from the department of defence. The guy was right.

My cousins gay and my aunty would NOT have aborted him had she known... Im sure Lawrences mother would do anything to have him back, Im sure she would have had him.

I do wonder if you mother read the crap you have wrote if she would have kept you.

I wish you had have given your address to the Aussie because Id have paid to see him kick your ass.

YOU LOST the more you whine the more YOU LOSE.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAH HA HAAAAAH

Thats me laughing at you ! Read a book you sad and stupid thing you!

The Brit.


The Brit who is a twit who is an undercover fag lover. Jeff I ain't schlomo. However I am on the side of Islam. They know how to deal with degenerates.

Oh and speaking of the bible. The only reason you would read it differently is because you never read it at all.

Ghost,

You are a tool..

Nothing undercover here tool I love my cousin like I love all my family. He is one great guy and he loves men I have no problem with it!

Enjoy your Islam and keep pretending there are no gays in Iran lol

To quote shane

"Some people seem more intelligent when the say or write nothing. I think.... No I'm sure you are one of those people."

Learn to read tossa...

Ive read the bible lots and I agree there are three gay relashionships in it. It also dosent say there is anything wrong with homosexuals.

You cant even admit who you are no wonder you dont like openly gay people....(I looked at your IP your either Jeff or someone at his house you have the same IP you jerk)

You sick fucker Jeff.

Jeff, you say that heros shy away from trouble, well, since our men and women are overseas fighting in the war, does that exclude them from being heros just because they are not shying away from the trouble over there. I THINK NOT!!!! Us gays are not asking for "special" rights and treatment, just EQUAL rights. And you said that scientists have not found a "gay" gene. Well, when I was going to school in the late 80's in south Texas, I did a report that was in the newspaper there that said there's a little part of the brain called a "node" and it was proven that in homosexuals the node was twice as large as it is in heterosexuals. I'm sure you have a heart, if you have a son please put yourself in the shoes of that boy's dad and think how you would feel if your son was shot and killed by a gay boy, would you say he just brought it upon himself for the way he dresses or walks or talks and how would you feel? Whether he was gay, straight or whatever, that was between him and God, the fact is....the precious gift of life was lost and it's a sad event when ANYONE is killed, regardless of their likes or dislikes.....period.

RIP Larry.

This boy wasn't just a credit to the gay population, but the the worlds population in whole. He was a young boy who was proud of who he was and stood up for things that he believed in.

If it would of been a young girl who got shot for asking a boy to be her valentine, this post would be full of how it was a sad sweet story, A girl killed because of her love for a young boy.

Why can't it be seen as that?

So what if he was gay, straight or bi, The point is he was wrongfully killed.

A Young life wasted because people didn't like his beliefs.

My sypathy goes out to the King family, I am deeply touched by the courage that your son had to stand up to society and be different. I went through some of what he went through when I was in school, middle and high. I didn't come out during school but was still made fun of cause they thought that I was. But graduation will always be remember cause of me. When they called my name I walked up to get my diploma took there tassel off put my rainbow tassel on, turned around and said congrats, and then said I was gay. It takes a lot of courage to do what your son did. As for the poster named Jeff, you said gays are a waste anyways and wont do anything in life, pretty much with your post, I think I have a better job than you and a better education as well. I work at an emergency vets office making 21.85 an hour. How about you. It has nothing to do with your sexuality with what you do in life it has to do with your education and if you go to college and what you choose to do with your life. I am touched by the story of this young man whoses life was cut short and who never had the chance to feel love from another person besides his family. He missed so much, he could have been anything he wanted to be but that kid named Brandon took his life. Both of them at such young ages their lifes ruined. America is the way it is today because of the way peoples homes are. If you teach acceptance in your home when they go into society they will know no difference and will accept everyone. Personly I think that the boy who pulled the trigger should be tried as an adult and the death penalty should also be considered. Let this be a lesson that is learned, by schools, families, everyone. I hope that the schools in America learn from this and start to target the bullying in school and that this never happens again. Again my sypathy goes out to the King family.

Wow, this turned quickly into a real pissing match! I suppose it may be fun to express one's emotions, but unfortunately such an exchange of such extreme positions contributes little to the question - what can we do to prevent such tragedies in the future?

People like Jeff want to do a "good and evil" projection, with gays being "evil", and I get that that is provocative, but to a large extent, your responses have been simply to turn that on its head: Larry King is good, a hero, and all homophobics are evil. I think real solutions can be found only by moving to a postion beyond such projections and political ideology.

Surely, no one is saying it is OK for anyone to shoot anyone. That should be obvious. But the point that I hear Jeff trying to make, albeit awkwardly, is that there is more to what happened than Larry being "gay". Did you folks not READ the information? Larry was a troubled kid; that was well documented. Does supporting an individual's right to be gay also have to include allowing such behavior as taunting and dressing as a caricature of a female? (knee-high pink boots?)

Because he is gay there should be no limits on how he is to comport himself as a teen in school? It is this very stance that paralyzed the teachers, that stopped them for doing what their guts told them to do - to intervene and tell Larry to behave a LITTLE BIT more conventionally.

Again, in case it need be repeated, this is not excusing the shooting, which clearly was crazy. I am asking the gays to SEE THE WHOLE PICTURE. Sexual preference is one thing; a boy presenting as marilyn monroe is another, esp. in the context of other teen boys who are still struggling with THEIR sexual identities.

Regardless of how you think society "should" be, not everyone shares your values. Tolerance goes both ways, no? Affirming your rights to your sexual preference does not require you to parade around in a parody of a female (in SCHOOL). Bluntly put, Larry didn't get shot because he was gay, per se. He got shot because he had a pathological need for attention and was conducting himself in a passive-aggressive manner.

Did he deserve to be shot for this? Of course not. Neither would I deserve to be shot if I were to walk into N. Philadelphia as a white man and shout racial slurs. But indeed, I would bear some responsiblity for my behavior and the results.

The difference is that I am an adult, whereas Larry was just a troubled kid. Larry needed guidance from adults as how to conduct himself. He needed someone to set SOME limits for him. But political correctness in the form of "gender rights" prohibited that guidance.

Sure, it is easy to beat up on Jeff, but that misses the point. Projecting "gay victim" on to Larry King does him a disservice. And if we stay stuck in such a black-and-white pissing match, then other kids will die as well!

To me, this is a very serious matter. I have written a post on it that strives to on one hand affirm the gains of gay rights but at the same time provide some perspective to the prevailing "yet another gay victim" point of view that prevails at this site. You can read it at: www.jimludwig.com.

I just heard about Larry's death on CNN on the day of August 18 2008. I heard that he had been shot in February. I had never heard of Lawrence King the time of his death because according to journalists and the reports from the Ventura County Police in CA. Larry's story didn't get the world wide media coverage it deserved for so long. Strangely enough at the time of Larry's death I was in the hospital fighting off a deadly staff infection. Us homosexuals sure do face our share of hell. I wish to God I could have been there for Larry and knew him. I love larger than life people who have a lot of courage and don't take crap from anyone regardless of the concequences. I only wish I had the balls to be like that when I was in school instead of fearing everyone after it came out about my being gay. This boy had every right in the world to be who he was. He is a hero to me, I don't give a damn what you smallminded F*ckers have to say. I'm here along with the rest of the world celebrating Lawrence Kings life.

Larry you are in my heart and in my prayers. God bless you baby boy. *many hugs and kisses* I'll see you when its my time to go with God.

jimludwig,

I read your post and I must say, think your an idiot! I think that's as clear as i can be!

You wrote:

"Does supporting an individual's right to be gay also have to include allowing such behavior as taunting and dressing as a caricature of a female? (knee-high pink boots?)"

The kid can wear what ever he wants knee high boots or a batman cape who cares!

You asked:

"Because he is gay there should be no limits on how he is to comport himself as a teen in school?"

Dressing differently is not a crime nor is it an invitation for violence.. The world would be so boring if we all dressed the same. No one here or any other story on this topic has asked or called for special treatment everyone should be treated with the same human decency and be afforded the same rights.

Really the more I read your words the more stupid I feel you are...

You wrote:

"Neither would I deserve to be shot if I were to walk into N. Philadelphia as a white man and shout racial slurs."

Your point is retarded... Dressing differently and being open about your sexual orrientation is completely different from shouting racial slurs, one is being ones self the later is both offensive and racist with an intent to cause harm or hurt!

Your comment about this not being about "yet another gay victim" doesn't stand up to the fact the kid was himself a gay male who dressed in a nonconformist way and he got shot for it!

Perhaps you should look up the meaning of VICTIM:

2. Anyone who is physically harmed by another.

3. An aggrieved or disadvantaged party in a crime

4. An unfortunate person who suffers from a disaster or other adverse circumstance.

Larry didn't in anyway ask for what was done to him. He was victim of ignorance fear and hate...

You words serve only to prove that the stupidity that caused this situation lives on in you and your bud Jeff.

Hang your head in shame!!!

PS the company you keep, Hitler hated the "Jews" the "Gays" and the "blacks" and you share his thoughts.. you, Jeff and Hitler make me sick.

PSS
Sexuality isn't a choice! Being an a**hole is!

This kid was no "hero." He was very mentally disturbed. It's one thing to be out...it's another to be dumb as a box of rocks. Going to school wearing eye shadow and lipstick and "flirting" with straight classmates? And the reason given for this behavior is always "he liked the attention." I have no sympathy for Larry King. He did everything he could to incur the wrath of his fellow students, and it blew up, literally, in his face.

Ha, this is rich. I can't stop laughing. California could do nothing about King's "style" due to a discrimination law, despite the PROBLEMS HE CAUSED. Now the LGTB (a self proclaimed prejudiced group) is tring to get the schools to have manditory "sexuality preference aceptance" class. And to top it all off, people across the country are debating about what was right and wrong in a school that 99.95% of them never heard of untill last year. (Incase some of you political morons coudn't figure it out, I was there. Look up my name on Google if you don't belive me).

Larry wasnt a hero.. he was a perv who sexually harrassed his fellow students.
Brandon is a victim of unwanted sexual advances and public humiliation.
BOTH these children are victims and neither are heroes.
Larry should have been taught that gay or straight, you cannot sexually harrass anyone! The school officials should have put a stop to Larry following boys into the bathroom telling them 'you know you want me' and making sexual advances in front of the other boys friends.
Sexual harrassment is a CRIME no matter what age, gender or sexual orientation!!
Making Larry a hero for harrassing people is what makes the Christian nutjobs so opposed to homosexuality.

Yes, you have a right to be gay, you have a right to live your life just like anyone else.. but anyone else isnt allowed to follow people around and push sexual advances at every turn.. so neither are you.

Larry is no hero.. but he didnt deserve to die. He deserved to be repremanded for his sexual harrassment BEFORE it came to this.
I blame the teachers, the parents and the political BS the gay rights movement brought into this mess.

A kid shot another kid because he was being bullied.
THAT is what happened!

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