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Hastings: "I'm no grinch"

Iowa Rep. Steve King, is blasting 9 of his colleagues for voting "no" on his resolution "honoring the Christian holiday of Christmas."

In a press release, the Republican says the no votes "shocked Capitol Hill observers after votes on similar resolutions honoring the holidays of Islam and Hinduism passed without any NO votes."

"The naysayers didn't make it to the floor to debate," King said on Fox News today. "I would like to know how they could 'yes' on Islam, 'yes on the Indian religions and 'no' on Christianity. The foundation of this nation and this culture is Christian....I think there's an assault on Christianity in America."

One of those 'naysayers,' - Rep. Alcee Hastings, D-Miramar, said the resolution had little to do with Christmas.

Instead, he said, "it was another sad attempt by conservative Republicans to skew the line between church and state and impose their belief that America is a Christian nation.

"America is not a Christian nation," Hastings said. "It is a nation of Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists and everyone in between. Our diversity is our strength and those who seek to use religion as a litmus test are doing a disservice to all of us."

As for the "assault on Christianity," Hastings said, "all someone has to do is visit a shopping mall, turn on the radio or TV or look at the Christmas trees sitting on the front lawns of the White House and the United States Capitol to realize that no such assault is underway."


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Are you kidding me? What about those who are trying NOT to make it a Christian nation. Listen, I'm all for diversity, my problem isn't that they don't make this a Christian nation. My problem is, is they try so hard to NOT make it a Christian Nation. Promoting other religions and beliefs and shunning mine. That isn't fair, and diverse isn't the word.

Deron Reynolds

oh lordy, lordy, lordy, forgive this $%!#nut and his or her ingnorance. He or she obvioulsy knows not what he speaks. Of course, he or she is probably very ignorant of his or her own religion. A "Christian" nation... and exactly what denomination would it be? You could always move to the Vatican... that is a "Christian" nation. What possible statistics and percentages do you have to back up that the majority of people in this country want a "Christian" nation? If a bill like this ever passes, I'm moving to the Vatican before I put up with the riduculous crap that seems to stand for reason and intelligence in the U.S.

William J. Skinner

Practically every founder of the United States expressed his faith in Christ or Providence. The evidence that the U.S. was and is a Christian Nation is overwhelming. Some people do not know history. Others deny it happened this way. But God always knows. And will remember.


It is the height of stupidity to claim that the founding fathers wanted this to be a christian nation when they were not even christian. Unless you are going to claim that Deist are Christian, which would be hard to do given they don't believe in Christ being divine.

It is simply wrong to say that "practically every founder expressed his faith in Christ". In fact, some founders thought that the cult of Jesus was pretty despicable. For example, check out the Jefferson Bible. Written by Tom himself, it strips away ever bit of mysticism in the New Testament. Note that it ends when they roll the stone in front of the tomb, since Jefferson did not believe that Jesus rose from the dead.

Gads I wish people would learn a bit of history before spouting off and looking a fool...

Kevin Rhodes

William, your first sentence is impressive in its ability to make a group of Deists and Freethinkers seem unanimously Christian. "Practically every"? And when did belief in Providence, or divine guidance, become an exclusively Christian concept?
While you cite deceptive generalities, I can point to the Treaty of Tripoli (1796), approved by President Adams and unanimously ratified by the Senate, which reads in part: "The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

Duane Schwingel

How did this thread go from

"a resolution to honor Christmas as a Christian holiday" (like similar resolutions in the past for Hinduism and Islam, unanimously approved)


"an argument concerning the founding fathers' religious views?"

Diversity must include Christianity.

Elizabeth Holloway

Hastings has proved with his comments that he has no knowledge of the historical founding of this country. Our country was based on Christian principles and BECAUSE of that we are tolerant of other and any peaceful religion. How he can equate this simple declaration to changing the separation of church and state is delusional on his part and still does not answer why he voted "no" this time and "yes" to other religions.


Kevin Rhodes makes an excellent point. Treaties, by US law, have weight equal to the Constitution. A properly ratified treaty says the US is in no way a Christian nation. That's the end of the argument, right there.


"Our country was based on Christian principles..."

Oh, really!? Is that so?

Ok, name the principles. Enumerate them. List them. Then provide factual documentary evidence to prove your specious assertion.

Here's the deal: this country was not "founded" by "Christians". The Pilgrims of the northeast came here to *escape* state-sponsored religion in England, you nitwit! Not only that, barely 20 years after arriving in Massachusetts the ensuing settlers were "escorting" Roger Williams, founder of Rhode Island, to the border of Massachusetts. His crime? Advocating, wait for it, religious pluralism. That's correct, the same group of people that left Britain to escape the Church of England and persecution later engaged in exactly the same practice for exactly the same reasons, if "reason" is a word that can actually be used here.

To all of you who promulgate the "Christian nation" myth I have two words. Here's a hint, they're not "Merry" and "Christmas".

Milton Smith

Alcee Hastings is a miserable excuse for a Congressman!! In my opinion, he is a disgrace!!!


As a Christian, I find it rather troublesome for Congress to decide what are proper Christian beliefs and put them into a resolution. And if you cannot see the trouble with such a thing, I suggest you consider some of the beliefs which differ among Christian denominations.

Lee Fuller

"The problem to be faced is: how to combine loyalty to one's own tradition with reverence for different traditions." - Abraham Joshua Heschel

I'm not sure there is much loyalty to be found in any tradition.

Byron Atkinson(bender_dragon_666@yahoo.com)

This is showing just how stupid the world has come to be when some idiot with a tad bit of 'power' would try to shove his beliefs down the throats of others. It's kinda like Soviet Russia or Constantinople, either do what i do and believe what i believe or DIE!
That man needs to read the constitution he is sworn to uphold; The 1st ammendment states "Freedom of Religion". To put it in my blunt and honest opinion, this country WAS NOT built on the philosophies of men who wanted to do the same thing they left thier homes for doing.

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