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Christian leader calls Obama "scary," points to "Muslim roots"

The Muslim-peddling about Democratic nominee Barack Obama continues, mostly through lies trafficked over the Internet, but also in questions raised in polite company by well-known and influential members of the political establishment.

Here's what Dennis Baxley, a former state legislator from Ocala and the executive director of the Christian Coalition of Florida, one of the most prominent groups on the religious right, said during an interview with the Miami Herald about Obama's outreach to the Christian community:

"He's pretty scary to us,'' he said. "I think his Muslim roots and training -- while they try to minimize it -- it's there."

Asked what he meant, Baxley pointed to Obama's childhood stint in Indonesia and his Muslim relatives.

(Obama mostly grew up in Hawaii but lived in Indonesia, a predominantly Muslim country, between the ages of six to 10. He was raised by his mother and her parents, all from Kansas. Obama says his Kenyan father, who left when he was two and returned for one visit before his death, was "raised a Muslim'' but became a "confirmed atheist.")

"That concerns me particularly in the period of history we are living in, when there's an active movement by radical Muslims to occupy us,'' Baxley said of Obama's background. "That whole way of life is all about submission. It concerns me that someone rooted in those beginnings, how it might have affected their outlook. That's what scary for me."

Baxley on Obama's trip to Europe: "I think you can tell from his appeal and how a lot of the media emphasized how loved he is in other places. I'm very concerned that our own American values rooted in Christian principles be protected. It's fine with me if he wants to run for chancellor of Germany or chief of the European union, but not for president of the United States. I'm concerned about someone who has those global priorities. I just want someone who will take those responsibilities of preserving American values and American culture and not try to make us citizens of the world."

On Obama's description of himself as a devout Christian: "I don't want to pass judgment. I take him at face value. I do look at his story and where he's been, and the influence of the Rev. Wright-type of Christianity, and I'm not sure that's what I relate to...He wants to tax the rich more and redistribute wealth to other people -- where I come from that's socialism. Karl Marx was not a Christian."

Asked if he speaks in public about Obama's "Muslim roots'': "I really don't talk about candidates. I talk about issues. My greatest challenge is not Obama, it's apathy. I'm trying to get values voters to rise out of their apathy and participate...I can't speak for anyone else but I'm probably typical of all of the people who are suspect of those Muslim roots. We all know what early intervention with children is all about, and I am really wondering what the influence was on him from his father's background and being in a Muslim country. I'm not cooking up some plot about Muslims trying to inject a leader into our country but I am wondering how it influences his thinking."

On Obama's interview with Bill O'Reilly of FOX News: "I think his contact and his outreach have made him less scary to people. I'm not going to be scared to death if he should be elected. The interviews are helpful for people being able to reach a comfort level with him, but the background of his early childhood makes you wonder."

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Molly

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Miss Eureka

I grew up in rural central Florida, that scares my relatives in Boston.

See how stupid that sounds?

Middle America

Nice "retort" in parenthesis. Is that your idea of objective reporting? Obama was BORN in Indonesia...he had his formative education in Indonesia...and later lived in Oregan...his roots are anti-American and that comes out every time he opens his mouth. You failed to mention his slip on ABC when Obama mentioned his "Muslim faith" and Stephanopolis had to correct him and say "you mean your Christian faith right?"

Hitlers arguments in 1930s

The are the same arguments a little known Europen leader named Hilter used against a part of German society that was of another faith. Jews in Germany in the 1930s were Germans, but Hitler made them out to be less than human. In the 1940's America put Asian born "Americans" in camps but quickly came to our senses that first and foremost WE ARE AMERICANS and we dont do that to each other. It is the most UNAMERICAN of activities to spread lies and to use talking points that were used in the 1930s to slaughter millions of the same nationality. Americans are better than that and the Evil of people that try to make us be like 1930s Gemany should be faught against at all cost. If this were the 1930s can you imagine what baxley would be advocating.....not too much of stretch to smell the stench that comes from this his hate.......its not new, we as a world have gone there before and should say "never again". NOT IN AMERICA, WE DONT TREAT AMERICANS THAT WAY!!!!. Both of our presdential candiadtes are honorable AMERICANS and we must never allow any to demean honorable Americans!

grant kesslet

obama.....not bama jelly...but i think he is. at what cost is this country going to see how the Roman Empire fell. Are we so blinded by a bumbling idiot! he clearly is an islamic...he clearly thinks our women should wear veils. he was born to an islamic family that wants to take away all our right as Americans.

Snowspinner

grant - I do not think "clearly" means what you think it does.

But by all means, I would love to see any evidence that he was born to an Islamic family, that he thinks our women should wear veils, or that he was born in Indonesia.

As for the ABC interview, the context is key - Sephanopolis had asked a question about the Muslim smears, noting that they had not come from the McCain camp. Obama responded noting that "McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith." It's awkward phrasing, but it's very hard to read that as anything other than what it clearly was in the context of the interview - "my Muslim faith" clearly refers not to Obama's actual religion, but to the smears and accusations. Nobody watching the full clip could reasonably think otherwise.

Jackie

This "article" is yellow journalism and no parenthetical comment could save it. I do know what is scarier to me - not that you have a religious whack job out spewing lies but that you have a supposedly serious media outlet reporting on it.

Karisma

Are you saying, All Muslims are Terrorists?
What about Timothy McVey? USA Homegrown, White Dude!

f4skyhawk

Even if he were Muslim what sickens me is the so called christians exhibiting the same atttitudes that allowed hitler to kill so many, the same attitude that fuels the KKK

Hmmmmp some Christians they are the scary ones

Chris

Is blatant stupidity an Amercian value? One can only infer so much from some of the rhetoric that comes out of small-minded bigots who claim to follow Christ's teaching such as Mr. Baxter here.

Martha

Shall we all remember that all of us who are not Native Americans came from elsewhere. Many arrived seeking the freedom to practice their religion without fear of persecution. It is disheartening that those who are of the same mind set as Grant do not seek out factual information and choose rather to believe lies. The current administration has sought repeatedly to limit our freedom as Americans.

Daly

Muslim roots and training?
When the man was a boy of less than 10 years of age his Mom put him is a school that was typically for the country that they were in.

The man is christian and unless you can point to facts; you are a liar.

on another note:
Christians spend a great deal of time trying to convert others to christianty so what you are in effect saying - is you will NEVER accept these converts - If you are a leader - there are many Christians in TX, AL, LA that are battling mother nature - go help them - that is your mission.

DH71

It sickens me that a newspaper would spread the lies of the religious right like this. If you honest to God believes what Dennis Baxely is saying, you don't deserve to vote. It really drives me nuts that the religious right takes the Bible so serious when it comes to gay marriage and to no sex before marriage but it completely ignores what it says about helping the poor and what Jesus actually did to help those in need. They're absolutely hypocritical and do not deserve to be in office. Barack Obama will not be the downfall of America, it will be the religious right that drives us even further into the hole George Bush dug for us.

denise

What a great representative of our Christian faith - a racist!

FormerRepub

I grew up in jersey, and that scares people from michigan. lol

Pricilla, California

And this is why we have the separation of Church and State. How stupid does that sound, Jesus was Jewish but he became our Savior. As a Southern Baptist I am ashamed of all this so called religous leaders that let that hate come out of their mouth. What bible are they reading? Just close your mouth and don't say anything it makes the true Christian get painted with the fake ones.

Cynic13

Wow. Baxley is the scary one. He's from Ocala huh? I think Wesley Snipes was right - it's a hotbed of racism! Just the facts...

Obama was born in AMERICA!
His mother and her family are from KANSAS!
He spent his first 6 years in AMERICA with NO FATHER after age 2 - how could an absent father have influenced him with ANY beliefs???

This line of thinking equates ALL Muslims with Terrorists - - as much as the racists in America don't want to believe it, not all Muslims are terrorists or extremists.

There are over 1 BILLION Muslims in the world - and maybe a couple thousand who are extremists. I have known personally and worked closely with Muslims. While they do have different beliefs than mine - they are still HUMAN BEINGS who want to provide decent lives for their families.

Our country was not founded on Christian principles - it was founded on FREEDOM - to worship as we please!!!

EMANCIPATE YOURSELVES FROM MENTAL SLAVERY, NONE BUT OURSELVES CAN FREE OUR MINDS. (Bob Marley)

DK

Gee, this guy seems so scared of Barack it makes him look like a punk. Typical white man scared of a black man.

DK

Gee, this guy seems so scared of Barack it makes him look like a punk. Typical white man scared of a black man.

DK

Gee, this guy seems so scared of Barack it makes him look like a punk. Typical white man scared of a black man.

DK

Gee, this guy seems so scared of Barack it makes him look like a punk. Typical white man scared of a black man.

Courtney

Middle America,

I have to say, that's one I've never heard. Where the heck did Oregon (no a) come from? Obama was born in Hawaii...the birth certificate is online if you desperately need to see one. His mother remarried and moved him to Indonesia at the age of 6, but he ended up going back to Hawaii from grade 5 til high school graduation. The formative years are generally considered to be up until the age of 5...all while Obama was living within the US. Please do some more research before spouting off ignorant comments like that. Thanks.

Steve

Why can't this guy just admit he's a racist? No one is going to begrudge him his discomfort with those of other races and religions. It's America. He can think what he wants. But why does he have to be a coward about it? Just admit it - anyone who is not white, Christian, and Republican makes you uncomfortable. No one will crucify you for that.

hidorsey

The thing that scares me the most. and I mean, really scares me!!! is how little (at least a large section of )the american people seem to know or care about truth. What is most important to many many people is finding information to support whatever bias they may have. There is NO credible evidence that Obama is a muslim. Not opinion. Fact. None. Yet i hear so many people say it again and again. They must need to believe it for some reason. The same with Sarah Palen and John McCain. They can say anything at all. Then it comes out not to be the truth. They keep saying it and The Truth keeps being said....over and over. and still there are a huge amount of people who believe what is clearly a lie. Palen said she sold her plane on ebay. Lie. Easy to find the truth about it. Alaska actually lost about 6000000 dollars on the deal. again easily verifiede. Palen is not a real rebel. While she has done some good things (also verifyable) She was FOR the Bridge to nowhere, and when it became unpopular she said thanks but no thanks to the bridge AFTER she got the money and spent it anyway, even when the outrage about the bridge was that it was an unneeded expenditure considering our american deficit. Then there is the Trooper stuff. Her brother in law. She was harrassing him, along with other members of her family before she became governor. She was told by a judge to stop it. She did not obey the judge and kept it up even after she was governor. Her lawyer even told her to back off and apologise. This should make some people pause as to her respect for the law. Apparently she respects the law only if she can manage it her way. She seems to have the same attitude toward truth. It is ok to lie or "bend" the truth as long as she gets elected! She scares me !! a lot!! considering, we cant find out if she even knows what the constitution says, or what her attitude is toward the consititution because the campaign is not letting her be interviewed unless by an interviewer who is not going to ask difficult questions. Will Putin be so soft on her, if mccain dies? Will any of the other world leaders respect her only because she is a woman. I would have voted for any woman as long as she was capable of actually leading us in this world. As long as she showed me that she knows and understands the constitution that she is supposed to uphold. I am voting for Obama. I dont care what color his skin is, or whether he is male or female. I am voting for obama because he is smart. He makes sense. He actually addresses the real issues and problems we face. He doesnt answer every question with a clitchy platitude. McCain has chosen to make this election about "personality" rather than issues. We need to wake up before we get something more damaging than George W. Bush. I'm just sayin'..........

JoeG

Cynic13, you rock.

Middle Ohio No. 2

Go Obama. All these slams by so-called Christians. Why are they always pasty, white, overweight men with their chins hanging over their collars?

TM

Seriously, whenever someone posts these type of articles be they pro or anti Obama pieces, the comment section should be disabled. Mainly due to the pathetic ignorance by the comments and those who post them. First you have the paid Republican posters that repeat the same talking points - majority of them are straight out of chain letters. People that crap is false, he would have been kicked out of the senate and trumped up criminal charges if ANY OF THAT WAS TRUE. Misleading the government, especially in a government employment position (even if you were voted into it) you would be commenting a high crime. Second, those pro-Obama posters, seriously you think you will be convincing these vague racist posters that Obama would be the best President this coming year? These people will be bringing the worse of the human bigotry to the voting booth - any reason is good enough for them to keep a Black Man out of their 'pristine' White House. Yes I know that may offend some people, especially those that pretend the reason they are up in a roar about Obama is the fact he is a 'Secret Muslim' or 'born in Indonesia,' 'tied to crime,' etc is the fact that they don't want to come out and say the truth about their disgusting morale standard. Best thing to do? Ignore these mental midgets. Move on, you won't convince them, and frankly these forums simply give them a place to try to convert sane people to their idiotic notions. So yeah stop allowing posts to articles people - articles shine on their own without the idiot peanut gallery changing the subject.

Mailyn

What planet do you people live on??? Do you ever read anything that is correct concerning Obama? He was born in Hawaii. His parents met there while in college. When he was 2 years old his father returned to Kenya. Several years later his mother married an Indonesian student and they moved to a small village in Indonesia. He went to a Muslim school for a short time when he was 7. His mother then placed him a catholic school until he was 10. Then they moved back to Hawaii where he finished school. He has had NO Muslim training at all. His father was Muslim.

What you all need to get through your heads is this - NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS any more than ALL CATHOLIC PRIESTS ARE PEDOPHILES! It's ridiculous how people get off on a stupid tangent! Go to Google and read the information that is true about him and quit repeating all of these terrible lies. Would you repeat lies about McCain in the same way?

I just finished reading his first book - Dreams of my Father so I know a lot about this man. He's a brilliant, constitutional scholar and would probably be the most qualified person for the presidency than anyone coming down the pike in years. He graduated at the top of his class in law school at Harvard. No dummy get into that school. He certainly is much more qualified than Bush and McCain put together. God help us if McCain gets elected - it will be even more of the same terrible policies that we've suffered through for the last eight years. Wake up people!!!

LINDA

Pat Buchanan Mocks Palin With Joe Scarborough. On MSNBC on August 29, 2008 (before the announcement), Pat Buchanan had this to say about Sarah Palin: "You mentioned the word commander in chief. And it is -- it is hard to see Sarah Palin as commander in chief within the next year or something like that. I think that's the real risk that just -- this woman, she might be outstanding. She might get women, get conservatives, energize the base. But I think the argument made against her would be that she just is not ready to be commander in chief, and she could be eaten alive in a debate with Joe Biden." Buchanan went on to acknowledge that Obama has done more to validate himself, saying "No, you are right. He validated himself, Barack Obama, by beating everybody all the -- over 18 months." [MSNBC, 8/29/08; YouTube This scares me more than Senator Obama living in Indonesia for a couple of years.

kravitz

Let's put those churches on the table, on a day we were supposed to be taking off. McCain is not a member of any church if you check. So how does that sit with the evangelicals?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/24/18288/0069/333/574290

Billy

Jesus always taught about giving to the poor and helping those in need. Remeber the saying "it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter heaven."? I think this guy needs to actually read the Bible instead of just claiming he's a Christian.

maxx

If this person is really a Christian and had any kind of faith he would know,Our God does not have us live in fear of others regardless of their bacground or religion. This person is not a Christian because our teachings are not to mock or belittle anyone. Where he lived as a child w/ his mother has nothing to do with it you had to live where your mother tell you to at 10 years old. Please educate yourself and stop being ignorant. I am a Christian and so is he we do unto others as we want others to do. You are not a Christian if you were you could not say this of anyone. God does not teach us hate and fear. Maybe you should recite "The Lord is My Shepherd" You are satan in disguise Jesus probably dont even know you.

lucy2008

This is tabloid journalism at its worst.
One needs to look at the motivation of the people like this minister that say such things. An hysterical man of christ saying such things is not a man of christ. Christ spoke of such people like this and had a name for them.

Fearmongering like this has happened many times in America's history and comes to hysteria at times of election, times of war, and racial anxiety. It is sad to see evangelical churches spew such venom. It is sad to see this by someone who calls himself a person of Christ. This blathering should be called out for what it is.

These are foolish and yes, scary people. This is the kind of stuff that brought Adolph Hitler to power.

reenie

With more and more people having grave questions about 9/11 and just who were responsible for the attack I think that this so called "Christian" is way out of line. Even Ralph Nader asked for a new investigation recently.

Dennis Baxley does not talk like or act like a Christian and he definitely does not talk for me, and I am a Christian.

Mr. Baxley represents those who support the neocons that have lied this country to war, taken away Americans' rights with the Patriots Acts I and II, Military Commissions Report 2006 and on and on. Baxley is not fooling anyone with his divide and conquer technique. America is not a specifically a Christian nation. There is a belief in God. It does not specify Jesus Christ and/or a Christian God. Hindus, Buddhist, Muslims, Jews etc are all welcome and protected under the LAW.

Right now what these mighty whitey so called Christians have promoted is shameful AND against the teachings of Christians. Where does it say in Christianity that we can invade a sovereign nation, slaughter over 1,000,000 of their people, uproot millions more and steal their oil?

This little fat dough boy reminds me of Karl Rove. We all know how Rove used and abused the Christian right for political reasons and to achieve his hidden political agenda. We will not be fooled again with the likes of these tactics!!!! Be assured of that!

RJ

And yet somehow, the right still insists that there haven't been racist attacks against Obama. Lets call this for what it is, pure racism. Obama is the epitome of the American story, a child of an immigrant, growing up with little means, who made it on his own merit and talent and the support of his community and his family. And yet, because he looks different to some people, and because he wants to provide everyone with healthcare and shift more of the tax burden on the wealthy, he is branded a Muslim (which apparently has become the new code word for evil these days.)
Dennis Baxley, and those who think as he does, are bigots, and a disgrace to all true Christians. If Jesus himself came back tomorrow, Baxley and his ilk would label him a terrorist and a Marxist too.

Why is the Herald even printing this garbage?

Shari

When are these people going to start acting like they are good and decent people, no matter what religion they represent. Mr. Baxley is not a good Christian. He lies about others, yet he calls himself a good Christian. How many people in history have died or been destroyed in the name of Christianity...WHEN WILL IT STOP???

Kathy

So funny that he is afraid that Obama is a Muslim and would oppress people. By people, I assume he means women, since men don't seem to be particularly oppressed in the Middle East. Why is this funny? Because he and his ilk would be the most likely to oppress women. Raped, by you own father? Sorry, sister, but you have to have that baby.

eastutican

God said an eye for an eye.

Christ said turn the other cheek.

Isnt it time that reasonable believers stood up to this type of Old Testament crap ? This guy is just another Klansman, albeit without a hood, who appeals to fear and racism.

Seems to me either you are a Christian or a bible thumper.

Arlene

Christian?? Baxter?? What about the 9th commandment? Obama was born in Hawaii. McCain wasn't born in the US! There are still questions and a lawsuit about this.
It seems to me that some so called Christians are using their face to hid the real fear of race.
Baxter should be ashamed of himself as he is causing real Christians to cringe.

eastutican

God said an eye for an eye.

Christ said turn the other cheek.

Isnt it time that reasonable believers stood up to this type of Old Testament crap ? This guy is just another Klansman, albeit without a hood, who appeals to fear and racism.

Seems to me either you are a Christian or a bible thumper.

John in MD

What Mr. Baxley is implying is that regardless if you're a Christian NOW, what you were or could've/might've been before matters more than your conversion to Christianity or the Christ that lives in you. He effectually canceled out a great tenant of Christianity which states that those who come to Christ ARE saved and called brothers and sisters in Christ. If Mr. Baxter's argument holds true, then no one can be called a true Christian. Not even he himself since no one is born a Christian. We are all part of the brotherhood of sinners until conversion. Does conversion not matter anymore? Isn't that the goal of Christianity? To spread the gospel to those that may be saved regardless of their backgrounds? Murderers, drug addicts, and alcoholics can be converted and saved, but not people from other countries? Hmmmm. That really nullifies the purpose of Christian missionaries.

John in MD

What Mr. Baxley is implying is that regardless if you're a Christian NOW, what you were or could've/might've been before matters more than your conversion to Christianity or the Christ that lives in you. He effectually canceled out a great tenant of Christianity which states that those who come to Christ ARE saved and called brothers and sisters in Christ. If Mr. Baxter's argument holds true, then no one can be called a true Christian. Not even he himself since no one is born a Christian. We are all part of the brotherhood of sinners until conversion. Does conversion not matter anymore? Isn't that the goal of Christianity? To spread the gospel to those that may be saved regardless of their backgrounds? Murderers, drug addicts, and alcoholics can be converted and saved, but not people from other countries? Hmmmm. That really nullifies the purpose of Christian missionaries.

rm

Nice piece of journalism - not a single word to refute the multitude of inaccurate statements Mr. Backley pedals as facts. How about a balanced rebuttal from the Obama camp?

Josh

I swear, if Obama loses this election then the majority of American citizens really are as stupid as the rest of the world thinks we are.

Airforce1

What scares me is Christians like yourself spewing lies and hate. Yet preaching love and honesty. My Bible speaks about love, truth and honesty. I guest you and Sean Hannity spew hate. If I was on that board you would be the boot.

Monty

So if im reading this correctly. This guy is scared obama, if hes elected, will rise up and....what? I dont know where this thought is supposed to go. Whats this guy scared of? i cant get my head around some peoples ignorance. The trolls whos comments are complete crap the are just displaying their complete lack of facts and their embrace of racism. Thats what it all boils down to. I mean lets be real does he scare you like Ted Bundy scared you or does he scare you like the black man who makes you step off the elevator a little faster. People who wont vote for obama spout nonsense about christian values but most of what ive read from the religous right sounds like thinly veiled racism. but its still racism. "If you dont think like me and worship my god you scare me". Im scared alright in fact im terrified of what miss alaska #2 and the POW are going to do to this country if elected.

jay

What does the bible say, go out and spread the word of God so people will accept Christ. And now some christians are dening Obama of Christ?
He a child of God, how dare you say he not a child of God, but you are. Well let God decide on that.

Brent

Wow. Mr. Baxley, I'm scared too. I'm scared for the future of this country every time I see one of our own homegrown, racist, religious zealots spew divisive, discredited garbage & still get credibility from the press.

TakingBackTheUSA

www.factcheck.org

Try doing some research instead of parroting ignorance. Especially the moron that cites Obama was born in Indonesia. Apparently John McCain is right and Americans are stupid enough to believe his and his vp partners own brand of extremism.

Interesting how McCain and Palen as well as the rest of the GOP are making their case as those that will defeat terrorists, but in all reality they themselves have become terrorists.

pathetic

You people are pathetic.

Here is your chance NOT to look like idiots, and what do you do? Look like idiots. Everybody is laughing at you. HAHAHA Look at these stupid religious idiots. They are so wrong. They believe the lies about Obama. Come on people, grow a pair.

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