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Running coverage of Senate immigration debate

After a couple of hours of debate, state senators agreed to make SB 2040 tougher under an amendment put forth by Sen. JD Alexander, R-Lake Wales. But the full Senate has not yet taken a vote on the measure, rolling it instead into a third reading that could take place on Wednesday -- or whenever Senate leaders feel they have enough votes to pass the bill. See our live-blogging of the earlier debate below:

The Florida Senate has begun discussing SB 2040, its immigration crackdown bill. We'll be providing updates in this blog post for the duration of the debate, so refresh often.
  • The discussion begins with Senate President Mike Haridopolos, R-Merritt Island, acknowledging that "we're about to take up a very emotional bill." "We want to send a message that this is still the most incredible place to live, not only in America, but in the world," he said. "We're trying to thread a very difficult needle today on the issue...I didn't know who difficult this issue was until we really got into it." He also thanked Sen. Anitere Flores, the Miami Republican who initially shepherded the bill in the chamber.
  • Sen. JD Alexander, R-Lake Wales, and Sen. John Thrasher, R-St. Augustine, present their amendments to the bill. The questions from their colleagues center on the federal government's e-Verify system -- particularly the government's guidelines that employers only use e-Verify after offering someone employment. Alexander, a farmer and citrus grower who uses the system, says it and other immigration verification tools are "fundamentally flawed." "The e-Verify system is far from perfect," he said. "It has tremendous costs to employers." Referring to undocumented immigrants, Alexander added: "By the grace of God, everyone of us might be in the same place."
  • The nanny question comes up, from Sen. Jeremy Ring, D-Margate: Would people who hire undocumented nannies or gardeners or handymen be subject to fines? Says Thrasher: Any person who employs someone else qualifies as an employer. Responds Sen. Gwen Margolis, D-Sunny Isles Beach: "That's pretty bizarre."
  • Alexander speaks passionately against Thrasher's amendment: "This is not a complete requirement for e-Verify, but it's real close," he said, to senators following his every word. Alexander told his colleagues about not finding enough workers to pick his blueberry crop. If everybody used e-Verify, he said, "I truly don't think you could pick the crops in the fields." The vote will be politically difficult -- "I've got 15 tea-party folks that want to shoot at me to try to find some chink in my armor," Alexander said. Two years ago, Alexander added, his company brough in 200 guest workers from Mexico: "Some of the hardest working people you've ever wanted to know," he said. And later: "This country was based on immigration...I just resent it. I resent that I have to be asked to choose between hardworking people and somebody's uninformed knowledge...The issues are not here. The issues are in Washington and this isn't the answer."
  • Sen. Jack Latvala, R-St. Petersburg, also opposes Thrasher's amendment, saying it makes it more expensive for small businesses to create jobs. "We certainly, on the 57th day of session, shouldn't be doing things to make it harder for people to add jobs," he said.
  • Margolis, fighting back tears and apparently speaking against the amendments and the bill, said she grew up in Miami-Dade County with her grandparents without speaking English. "We all worked, and we made it. We made it big," she said. "What in the world is wrong? What is happening with this state? I couldn't vote for this in a million years."
  • Ring says he fears immigration will become a campaign issue, when opponents file complaints against each other alleging other candidates have hired undocumented immigrants. "This will become a massive election issue," he said. "If this amendment passes it will be the wild west in Florida."
  • In closing, Thrasher refers to Osama bin Laden: "I would remind everybody in here that 10 of the 19 terrorists that attacked our country, that attacked our country, that were directed by Osama bin Laden...lived in Florida," he said. "I wish we had had an e-Verify system [before 9/11]."
  • Thrasher's amendment fails, 16-23.
  • Sen. Maria Sachs, D-Boca Raton, proposes an amendment that would require a person's immigration status to be checked after a conviction, not merely an arrest. Sachs said otherwise, criminals could be deported before answering for their crimes in the United States: "So what are you going to say to the victim: 'I'm so sorry. We're not going to spend the money,'" Sachs said. "'Sorry, victim, you will never be able to face your accuser in a court of law." The amendment fails.
  • Alexander's strike-all amendment passes. The bill is rolled to a third reading.

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michel

Amendment fails at 3:18 est. Yea

George Fuller

I have never been so disappointed as watching the senators in action......it was a case of lies and half truths.....reality is out the window.

There were so many lies I won't waste my time enumerating them.......

One thing is certain though........they don't care about protecting the unemployed.

George Fuller

You would think at some points the idiots would understand Federal Law forbids monetary fiens of violators.......it has been law for going on 20 years and these idiots can't figure it out

George Fuller

Legislation.......unless they stupidly changed it.....applies to companies that are FLORIDA LICENSED BUSINESSES.......

They tried to play it out that if someone baby sat a child you had to check their legal status....

stupid stupid stupid.

George Fuller

Some try to paint it as being expensive......wrong ......If a company wants to they can have a com[any do the checks for them...for around $10

George Fuller

The house says the Senate Bill is too far apart so it is dead.....

The open borders George Soros groups wanting one world government have won.......

The citizens have lost

God Save US......

allen30

George Fuller is exactly correct on all points listed.

allen30

June 3, 2011
Fuller, don't quit yet. We are targeting Sen. Haridopolis as a leftwing RINO and we are going to stop him from replacing leftwing Sen. Bill Nelson with a real Republican who backs an E-Verify Immigration Bill in 2012.

At the same time we will target J.D. Alexander so he can't win either. Haridopolos promised our lobbyits that he would pass an E-Verify Bill in 2011 but lied to us.

The first mistake he made was appointing Sen. Anitere Flores to Chair the Sen. Judiciary Committee, knowing she began all of her 4 biased hearings by stating she is vehemently against the Arizona 1070 law as well as all Florida State Immigration Enforcement/ E-Verify bills. Sen. Flores only permitted George Soros (leftwing One World Government advocate) to speak named Subhash Kateel and only counted names of persons for and against the E-Verify Bill.

allen30

June 3, 2011
Fuller, don't quit yet. We are targeting Sen. Haridopolis as a leftwing RINO and we are going to stop him from replacing leftwing Sen. Bill Nelson with a real Republican who backs an E-Verify Immigration Bill in 2012.

At the same time we will target J.D. Alexander so he can't win either. Haridopolos promised our lobbyits that he would pass an E-Verify Bill in 2011 but lied to us.

The first mistake he made was appointing Sen. Anitere Flores to Chair the Sen. Judiciary Committee, knowing she began all of her 4 biased hearings by stating she is vehemently against the Arizona 1070 law as well as all Florida State Immigration Enforcement/ E-Verify bills. She deliberately biased her Committee and public speakers by proclaiming all bills are "racial profile bills", a lie since the bills text stated "racial profiling will not be permitted.

Chairwoman Anitere Flores (R.-Miami, Fla.) on her last Public Hearing stacked the deck with 25 items in a 2 hour hearing, then ran out the clock on 24 issues and saved only the last 5 minutes to discuss the complicated Immigration Issue containing the E-Verify bill and Rep. Snyder's bill to require all prison officials in Fla. to identify illegal alien prisoners and turn them over to the ICE so the government pays for them, not Florida taxpayers.

Like the Cuban dictator Fidel Castro, she stopped freedom-of-speech and all hearing debate and only let George Soros (leftwing One World Government advocate) speak against the SB2040 Bill. Then insteasd of permitting any other speakers she said no more time is left and only took uo a fast vote on names of persons for and against the bill.

Because Sen. Flores only passed a watered down
immigration bill, William Snyder, House Judiciary Chairman had a strong E-Verify Bill HB7089 and refused to agree with Flores' watered down scam bill the E-Verify bill failed in the 2011 session with Miami Cuban-American legislators voting against any Immigration E-Verify Bill that could have caught "illegal aliens" costing Florida taxpayers $5.5 billion per year and created jobs in Florida for "legal U.S. citizens".

After Flores stopped all speakers except George Soros' radical leftist surrogate speaker Subhash Kateel with Florida Immigrant Coalition, we hammered Sen. Speaker Haridopolos so bad that he took the bill away from biased racist Sen. Anitere Flores and deliberately double crossed our lobbyists he promised an E-Verify Bill and gave the E-Verify Bill to J.D. Alexander (R.-Lake Wales) berry farm owner who hires immigrant farm laborers to pick berries and is also highly biased and pasrtial to Farm Workers and he deliberately killed the bill to avoid him from having to check his workers for valid Social Security Numbers if Rep. Snyder's tough E-Verify bill passed. Because of this doublecross scam by Senators Flores, Haridopolos and J.D. Alexander we are targeting them as anti-American traitors who worked to kill the E-Verify bills that Polls show 75 percent of Florida's voters wanted passed and must pay the price.

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June 3, 2011
Fuller, don't quit yet. We are targeting Sen. Haridopolis as a leftwing RINO and we are going to stop him from replacing leftwing Sen. Bill Nelson with a real Republican who backs an E-Verify Immigration Bill in 2012.

At the same time we will target J.D. Alexander so he can't win either. Haridopolos promised our lobbyits that he would pass an E-Verify Bill in 2011 but lied to us.

The first mistake he made was appointing Sen. Anitere Flores to Chair the Sen. Judiciary Committee, knowing she began all of her 4 biased hearings by stating she is vehemently against the Arizona 1070 law as well as all Florida State Immigration Enforcement/ E-Verify bills. She deliberately biased her Committee and public speakers by proclaiming all bills are "racial profile bills", a lie since the bills text stated "racial profiling will not be permitted.

Chairwoman Anitere Flores (R.-Miami, Fla.)on her last Public Hearing stacked the deck with 25 items in a 2 hour hearing, then ran out the clock on 24 issues and saved only the last 5 minutes to discuss the complicated Immigration Issue containing the E-Verify bill and Rep. Snyder's bill to require all prison officials in Fla. to identify illegal alien prisoners and turn them over to the ICE so the government pays for them, not Florida taxpayers.

Flores stopped freedom-of-speech and all hearing debate and only let George Soros (leftwing One World Government advocate) speak against the SB2040 Bill. Then insteasd of permitting any other speakers she said no more time is left and only took uo a fast vote on names of persons for and against the bill.

Because Sen. Flores only passed a watered down immigration bill, William Snyder, House Judiciary Chairman had a strong E-Verify Bill HB7089 and refused to agree with Flores' watered down scam bill the E-Verify bill failed in the 2011 session. Miami legislators voting against any Immigration E-Verify Bill that could have caught "illegal aliens" costing Florida taxpayers $5.5 billion per year and created jobs in Florida for "legal U.S. citizens".

After Flores stopped all speakers except George Soros' radical leftist surrogate speaker Subhash Kateel with Florida Immigrant Coalition, we hammered Sen. Speaker Haridopolos so bad that he took the bill away from biased racist Sen. Anitere Flores and deliberately double crossed our lobbyists he promised an E-Verify Bill and gave the E-Verify Bill to J.D. Alexander (R.-Lake Wales) berry farm owner who hires immigrant farm laborers to pick berries and is also highly biased and pasrtial to Farm Workers and he deliberately killed the bill to avoid him from having to check his workers for valid Social Security Numbers if Rep. Snyder's tough E-Verify bill passed. Because of this doublecross scam by Senators Flores, Haridopolos and J.D. Alexander we are targeting them as anti-American traitors who worked to kill the E-Verify bills that Polls show 75 percent of Florida's voters wanted passed and
must pay the price.

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