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Florida voter purge yields criminal probe into 2 noncitizen voters

Two Miami-Dade men caught up in a controversial voter-purge could face criminal charges for possibly casting unlawful ballots in Florida elections, The Miami Herald has learned.

The cases of Neville M. Walters and Ramon Cue add a new layer of political complexity to Florida’s contentious noncitizen voter purge, a focal point in the national debate over fraud and fairness in this year’s presidential election.

On Friday, county elections supervisors showed so little faith in the state-led purge that their state association said they shouldn’t cooperate. The announcement came just hours after the U.S. Justice Department ordered Florida to stop its effort due to two federal voting-rights laws, partly because the purge could disproportionately affect minorities.

Florida Gov. Rick Scott wouldn’t rule out fighting the Justice Department in court. “We want fair elections,” Scott said. “We want people who have the right to vote go out there and vote.”

The cases of Cue and Neville could strengthen his administration’s hand because they suggest there’s a good chance more ineligible voters are on the rolls and could cast ballots unlawfully if they’re not stopped.

They were among 13 registered voters who acknowledged they weren’t U.S. citizens, Miami-Dade’s election supervisor says. Since elections records show each voted — Cue once in 1996 and Walters seven times since 2000 — the office forwarded the men’s names to the Miami-Dade state attorney’s office. The two could face third-degree felony charges.

“We are investigating the allegations,” said Ed Griffith, Miami-Dade state attorney’s office spokesman. “First, we need to make sure the data is accurate.”

No easy task. Any large-scale effort to clean voter rolls is beset with false positives and errors due to misspellings and inaccurate addresses in a database of more than 11 million active voters, plus nearly 1 million more classified as inactive voters.

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whasup

So it sounds like one of them, Mr. Cue, was registered by some third party and someone else has been voting illegally in his place.

Now tell us about all those questionable voters on the list that the authorities cannot find. Except for the ones that have died, how many of them simply can't be found here anymore?

Isn't it likely that some of these were illegal immigrants who have departed in the great exodus brought on by the bad economy?

Charlie Underpants

Well that's the real trick, isn't it?

The point is, nobody knows, and we SHOULD know. And the Obama Administration appears to be dragging it's feet so that we can't find out.

Florida has asked the feds to give access to the Department of Homeland Security's SAVE database, which is the ultimate authority on who is an illegal alien and who isn't. But so far, after nine months of waiting...nada...and also, a threat from DOJ to cease and desist. It's pathetic.

Good for Rick Scott for moving ahead without them.

A

You have to wonder why the Demopcrats fight attempts to make sure that people who are ENTITLED to vote are the only ones who do.

whasup

What I find amazing is this.

If I got a letter from the state or the local supervisor of elections questioning my voter eligibility, I'd stop by there office with my voter registration card, my driver license, and my birth certificate.

If I were too busy with work, I'd just scan and e-mail these documents to them.

It shouldn't take a competent elections worker or supervisor to review the documents and agree that I'm eligible.

The only question they might have is whether I've been convicted of a felony or declared mentally unfit. Since the state already has a system for checking that, for folks who want concealed weapons permits or to get a gun from a pawn shop, that shouldn't be too hard either.

But if I were dead, I sure would want them to stop some renegade outfit from setting up one of their minions to vote in my stead, especially by absentee ballot, whether it were a liberal or conservative group of crooks.

Victoria Bessinger

It is to everyone's benefit to have fair voting practices. Questions arose because of the timing and the methods of Governor Scott's effort.
In response to "A" 's comment, one has to wonder why the Republicans waited 12 years to recognize that there were widespread problems in the voting process in Florida. It was obvious to the rest of the country. Could it be that the problems worked in their favor until now?

Not everyone drives a car, has a scanner or uses e-mail.

Lindad

how statistically insignificant and whasup? the point being that registered voters shouldn't have to prove that they're eligible

MarcV

Congressman Ted Deutsch said yesterday on Michael Putney's program that no one would vote illegally because of the severe federal penalties for doing so. I am eager to see how quickly the Miami state attorney's office prosecutes these two men and how much prison time they receive. If not, then Congressman Deutsch needs to acknowledge that the deterrent he speaks of does not exist.

Tom P

Of course ideally you would want zerovoter fraud but when the restrictions outweigh the actual benefits,you have to err on the side of people's right to vote.just sayin'

Livegreenordie

So how much have they spent on that? They catch 2 people? Out of 11 million? I would like to know how much that is per fraudulent vote? I'm just guessing, but whatever Florida citizens spent it was just a ruse to keep us away from the polls. I guess the politicians down there think that is the best way to spend your taxpayer dollars.
Real voters should get out there and vote so you can spend the money on jobs and health care. The rich have everyone hypnotized into thinking whatever they want you to think. Get rid of those jerks Florida!

gracie

I live in crowded, chaotic New Jersey and I doubt our voter rolls are so screwed up. Within 60 days of my father's death, I received a notice from the county registrar's office saying they had purged him from the voter roll. I also received notice from the jury duty commission that his name had been scrubbed.

Same thing happened when I moved from one county to another -- the old county didn't want me but the new one sure did.

Maybe it's because we actually pay taxes up here in the north:-)

Liberty27

Our country is changing at such a rapid pace and not for the better.

We talk of voter fraud but what about the nearly one million tax paying citizens who have completed their contracts handed down to them by a court of law by completing due process and are still being denied the right to vote in Florida? Florida has some of the harshest disenfranchisement laws for voters in the country. The other 47 states in our country restore these rights after completion of sentence. Gov Scott and Pam Bondi have extended this disenfranchisement to last a live time for most of these men and women. Only 78 had their rights restored last year by the Florida Executive Board of Clemency. Their agenda is not to help these men and women, who served their time, get reestablished back into their communities. They must continue to struggle as second class citizens along with their families’ right along side of them.

I have always loved history. It was always my favorite subject in high
school and college. I have always felt that if we failed to learn from the lessons that history teaches us we are bound to repeat the same mistakes. Our founding fathers established a government that they wanted to stand the test of time. By forming our Constitution grounded on moral Christian truths and values of the ages was perfect. They knew that these truths were constant and will never change. Our constitution is being eroded and watered down by today's moral decay. Some politicians down through the centuries have always bent to the popular demands of the people of their day. We have a silent majority in this country that I believe can turn this around.

I am passionate about civil rights. I served to help defend those rights in the military when my country put out the call for service. I see our freedoms and liberties that are supposed to be protected by our constitution not being preserved. Many are saying that this document is outdated and should be revised or even replaced. If we are not diligent in protecting these freedoms they can be taken away from us. Freedom is not free but comes with a price. My website www.aarcr.org is meant to open up a dialogue about what is currently happening in our country. Every year the number of Americans that are being disenfranchised as American citizens is increasing. We are not addressing the root problems of this rise but only putting people away for awhile as a fix all and not trying to help them get reestablished after they have paid their debt to society. The problem for these men and women started in the family but we can help to reeducate and rehabilitate these individuals at a far lower cost and help to give them a new lease on life. Our country spent over $74 billion dollars last year in growing our correctional system. This system is broke. There is a better way. It is sad to say that we were not all created equal in how we were raised as a child. A good many were brought up in broken homes and dysfunctional families and had to fend for themselves because the parent was either to busy working to pay the bills or just did not care. There is something terribly wrong with this. There is a better way. Put them away and throw away the key I have heard some say. When this hits closer to home I do not believe they will be feeling this way. This is what I believe to be true:

Justice without serving a function is oppression.
Punishment without serving a purpose is persecution.

Our justice system in this country is broke and in need of major repairs. Our country has become addicted to incarceration. This has become the fix all for everything. Our United States has the highest incarceration numbers in the world. As of 2011 we had 2.3 million men and women behind bars according to the International Center for Prison Studies. In comparison China has four times our population and is a distant second with 1.6 million people behind bars and we lecture them on human rights. Our next generation has some urgent decisions to make. Do we continue down this road of statues quo or do we get back to the basics of what our constitution represents?

The Brave men and women who went before us dedicated their lives that our nation remains free from tyranny and continue to be established as a government of the people, by the people and for the people; that the civil rights and civil liberties of its citizens be protected under our nation’s constitution. These decisions will establish the future legacy of our great nation. Do you want to part of the solution or do you want to just sit back and complain about the results of a failing system? Contact your congressman and demand a change. Help us restore democracy and civil rights for all Americans by reestablishing our a government of the people, by the people and for the people in that these rights continue to be protected in spite of race, color, gender or previous condition of penal servitude. Every human being deserves a second chance, a fair chance at living free from persecution and oppression. You may be just one voice but together we are strong; undivided and united we will be heard.
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