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Florida, other state secession petitions due White House response

We told you last month about the state seccession petitions that popped up on the White House's "We the People" website shortly after President Barack Obama won re-election. The window to garner enough signatures to warrant a White House response passed this week for most of these petitions; Florida and other states met the mark.

Petitions must have at least 25,000 signatures within 30 days of their submission.  The New Yorker reported that petitions were filed on behalf of all 50 states, but only eight met the threshold needed for a response. Here is that list and the number of signatures the petitions have received as of this blog posting:

    -Texas, 119, 617
    -Louisiana, 37,430
    -Florida, 35,310
    -Georgia, 32, 448
    -Tennessee, 31,479
    -North Carolina, 30,808
    -Alabama, 30,580
    -South Carolina, 25,064

It has taken the White House several months to respond to other petitions that also passed the threshold. We asked a White House spokeswoman whether there will be a blanket response for all the state petitions and when the White House would get around to addressing the petitions. 

We didn't get a response, but we know these petitions are keeping the Obama administration busy. For example, it also must come up with a response to this petition with 26,734 signatures: "Deport Everyone That Signed A Petition To Withdraw Their State From The United States Of America."

Even without an official White House response, it has been widely reported that states have no legal right to secede from the union.

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ers

that confirms it....we are one of the nut job states

Robert Jenkins

I find it odd that everyone of these States, recieves more from the Federal Government; than they give to the Federal Government.Here's an idea; cut any and all Federal monies from going to these "rebelious States". That way they can claim, they support themselves entirely by themselves. Hey let's start a petition that demands these States stop recieving any and all Federal monies!!!

none of your....

Sure these states would be able to survive without federal money. If you put in a petition to stop all money to these states then someone needs to put one in to tell the government to keep there hands off the state. No federal income tax and not federal sales tax oh and no federal tax on any of the other bs. Then let the state take that over and slowly reduce it to a level that we need to run and everything's better.

Bret Copley

Actually, Texas is the 14th largest Economy in the world. Florida would struggle at first but with the regulations over the Citrus Industry gone and Florida Citrus growers importing and exporting at will, It would quickly rise to usurp Mickey Mouse as the top earner in the State. Many of these States have had their chief exports stifled due to regulation and International Politics. So any state that does not follow the lead of Texas would: See a major increase in gas prices, Would see a major increase in Beef and Dairy and only about every other thing you buy.

As for Secession being "Anti-American" we were whose colonies? We did what? Our nation was FOUNDED by secession. It was and IS the FIRST principle of the founding of this nation. Nothing else came first. The Declaration of Independence IS NOT a petition to secede it is notification of secession and declaration of WAR. So to be critical of anyone who is for secession is to be critical of The Declaration of Independence, The founding of this nation, The Constitution, and The Constitutional Republic which was birthed from the blood of the Patriots and the Tyrannical.

hugo

I don't think being critical of this new call for secession is like being critical of the declaration of.independence. That's just stupid. That's like calling someone unamerican because they don't like the idea of going to war with other countries. The problem is not that these states want to pull away, but their reasons for doing so. The petitions started immediately after the elections and I think being critical of anyone who would whine this much because they didn't like the outcome deserve to be acknowledged as, well, children.

Ronald Perrine

I think seccion has been long over due. The federal govt. has disregarded the constitution almost entirely, and with the liberals (socialist) gaining more power, the government that our founding fathers created will no longer exist.

If secession is Un-American then we're all Un-American

As Ron Paul pointed out the term indivisible in our pledge was inserted by a devout socialist. I live in Virginia. as you all well know that there has been a war on the coal industry which in turn affected our train companies, which in turn laid off workers from both industries. Many of those who were laid off were friends and by no means were they "moochers". Now the point that I'm trying to make is that if you people want to label states as moochers then calculate how many people would be contributing to the federal government if their jobs weren't lost due to the federal governments over involvement. Argue if you will about the EPA but there is no chance in Hades that you can justify warring on coal whilst considering mining Uranium. And where does all that waste go? Lets see the Carolinas perhaps? There won't be a "South" if they fill the southern states full of Uranium waste! Point of the matter is if it comes down to the choices of socialism, communism, or secession I choose secession. The U.K is thanking us for aiding in their spread of socialism, stating without us they could never have spread some of the radical ideas like starving and dehydrating infants who aren't considered medically fit. THATS A PROBLEM! We have congressmen openly stating and I quote "Communism may not be your cup of tea but it works". THATS A HUGE PROBLEM!

Angel

What if the real reason to separate from the Union, would be to abandon the already sinking ship. With QE now in stage 4 and no real gains to be seen job wise. Why not drop the debt the Federal government has laid upon us and leave? fed debt is 16 trillion. Now, who would want to stand behind that?

Ben

Please inform me of a state that does not get more money from the fed than it gives (based on the way you are singling out Texas)??? Doesn't the federal income tax come mostly from taxes taken out of an individual's paycheck??? Please do expand on how you are measuring the amount of money that a state is giving to the feds. I am curious to know just how deep you have personally researched this. Please enlighten us. What states are giving more than they get???

A.P. Carter

As we can all see Robert Jenkins is an idiot. We get money from the feds because we have resources: coal, wood, oil, agriculture, industry, electric production, and shipping to name a few. The states in the northeast, california, and borderland Texas get the most government welfare. If they stop taking our money, liberty, and freedom of choice then I'm sure we'd be just fine.

Murph

It is easy to Sign a Petition on the internet. It is even easier to "poke fun" at people who vote for seccession. Actually pursuing the seccession from these United States is something different. It would require a willingness to turn brother against brother. To shoulder great hardship. People would have to give up things they refuse to live without.
We can dream and talk of planning but until we have a leader who we can all fallin behind and follow to a federal alternative we are S.O.L as far a seccession goes.

mountainmomma

I live off grid for 4-6 months at a time...I think I can manage a "little" hardship. I'd rather make my own decisions, answer to no one, -already hunt for myself.. as to be nothing more then a sheep to slaughter....

daniel P

It is time for secession of all conservitive states of the union. We need to return to a government of the people by the people for the people, If we took the middle of the country and Alaska (29) states and 165 million of the population we could return to a constitulational government. SCREW THE WEST COAST AND THE NE AND HAWAII. Retain 1 half of the debt and 1 half of the assets and reafirm the constitution with minor changes (English as official language, freedom of any Christian religion, ban marxisum, communism etc. and incorporate the admindments into the constitution, JUST THINK ABOUT IT. FREEDOM. Time is running out. Time is so very very short.

Communism


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Communism , socialism Etc

daniel P

I DID NOT POST "Communism


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daniel P

We have the leverage IF we are willing for the fight. It may cause another civil war. ARE YOU WILLING???? WHAT IS FREEDOM WORTH????????????? The answer is EVERYTHING!!!!!!!! EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!! The milatary has sworn to protect from ALL enemies FOREIGN and DOMESTIC. We now face both and the millatry will side with SECESSION within a short time frame as soon as they see they are defending the constitution of the United States of America!!!!!!! THE GREATEST COUNTRY THE WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN. GOD BLESS AMERICA now and for ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

daniel P

WHO IS WILLING TO PUT THEIR NAME TO IT????????? WHERE ARE YOUR BALLS. OR DO YOU HAVE ANY???? Our founders put everything, EVERYTHING on the line for our freedom. ARE YOU?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Michael Shimer

Here are some good quotes from Robert A. Heinlein that for me really speaks to potential motivations that many of these petition signers might have:

“There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him."

“Secrecy is the keystone to all tyranny. Not force, but secrecy and censorship. When any government or church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, "This you may not read, this you must not know," the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives. Mighty little force is needed to control a man who has been hoodwinked in this fashion; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, whose mind is free. No, not the rack nor the atomic bomb, not anything. You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him.”

“The America of my time line is a laboratory example of what can happen to democracies, what has eventually happened to all perfect democracies throughout all histories. A perfect democracy, a ‘warm body’ democracy in which every adult may vote and all votes count equally, has no internal feedback for self-correction. It depends solely on the wisdom and self-restraint of citizens… which is opposed by the folly and lack of self-restraint of other citizens. What is supposed to happen in a democracy is that each sovereign citizen will always vote in the public interest for the safety and welfare of all. But what does happen is that he votes his own self-interest as he sees it… which for the majority translates as ‘Bread and Circuses.’

‘Bread and Circuses’ is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure. Democracy often works beautifully at first. But once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader—the barbarians enter Rome.”

"... Mine was a lovely world, till the parasites took over."

Robert A. Heinlein, author

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