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House immigration talks breaking down over public-healthcare for one-time illegal immigrants

@MarcACaputo

Should current undocumented immigrants get some public-healthcare benefits if their status is legalized?

U.S. House Republicans say no. Democrats say yes.

The answer to that question is dividing the House immigration-reform working group and causing it to break down. The last meeting is today.

The catch: years ago, when the group began meeting, the bipartisan group agreed that the newly legalized would not be a "public charge." That is, that they wouldn't get social-services.

But then California Democratic Rep. Xavier Becerra appeared brought up an aspect of the issue, which Republicans and some other Democrats thought was already agreed to and closed. Becerra, a rising star in his party, belongs to the same California delegation as Democratic leader and former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

"I hope we can still reach an agreement," said Miami Republican Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart, a member of the immigration-working group. He declined to name names or divulge the contents of the agreement, but he blamed "Democratic leadership" for pressuring at least one member to withhold support.

"It's difficult," he said. "We've had agreements from long ago that all of a sudden wasn't agreed to by the Democratic leadership."

Frank Sharry, an activist with the America's Voices immigration-reform group, said it's tough to figure out what the dispute is. The talks have been in secret. So it's unclear who advocated for what and what the specific source of the disagreement is.

"As I understand it, they talked past each other," Sharry said. "Democrats assumed emergency Medicaid would remain, and Republicans assumed these people would get nothing."

Advocates are frustrated that such a big bipartisan agreement could die over such a relatively small thing. The issue only involves those who would qualify for a pathway to citizenship, which would be smaller than the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants currently estimated to be in the country.

ABC made it sound as if the deal was dead: "congressmen will meet for the last time today without reaching an agreement on a House bill."

If this fails, it's a big blow to the immigration-reform effort, but it's not a killer. Republicans control the House and they can pass pretty much what they want. Of course, the Democratic-controlled Senate might not agree to the House bill and the House doesn't like the Senate bill.

Immigration reform was put a little more in doubt Tuesday when Sen. Marco Rubio, another leading Republican from Miami, raised doubts about the bill he had helped craft. He said there needs to be more border security in the Senate plan, and he's drumming up support for amendments in the Senate.

"If those amendments don’t pass," Rubio told radio-show host Hugh Hewitt, "then I think we’ve got a bill that isn’t going to become law, and I think we’re wasting our time. So the answer is no."


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stan

The ‘Gang of Eight’ are LYING the American people by calling their bill the "toughest border security and enforcement measures in U.S. history," and by claiming it is "not a special path" to citizenship.

Specifically, the Gang of Eight is attempting to hide numerous noxious elements by moving the bill so quickly, including:

1. Grants amnesty to illegal aliens simply after the Secretary of Homeland Security submits plans to secure the border;
2. Grants amnesty to criminals and gang members;
3. Does not require amnestied illegal aliens to pay back-taxes;
4. Does not require amnestied illegal aliens to learn English;
5. Allows illegal aliens to sue the government for amnesty;
6. Allows the open borders and pro-amnesty lobbies to sue to prevent enforcement measures from taking place before illegal aliens can receive green cards;
7. Requires taxpayers foot the bill for illegal aliens to fight deportations at the Attorney General’s sole and unreviewable discretion;
8. Requires only 3 of 9 southern border sectors to have a 90% apprehension rate, leaving the rest in the porous status quo;
9. Grants green cards and citizenship after 5 years to illegal aliens claiming to have come to the U.S. before the age of 16 who meet certain criteria; and
10. Effectively halts all deportations for years by requiring Homeland Security to allow every illegal alien its agents intercept to apply for amnesty and prohibiting agents from deporting them until the illegal alien’s application is adjudicated.

Given the disastrous and permanent impact such a bill would have upon the United States, and given the incredibly rapid time frame that the Senate leadership is trying to RAM this through the legislative chamber, PLEASE CALL YOUR SENATORS AND CONGRESSMAN AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE DEMANDING THAT THEY VOTE AGAINST S.744 COMPREHENSIVE AMNESTY


Lostintaxes


So American seems completely unaware of the dangerous situation along the stretches of the open border or even the areas heavily populated but are easily traversed by foreigners to take advantage of our compassionate nation? This country takes into its arms more illegal aliens and their children, illegal migrants and lawful immigrants, asylum seekers than any other location around the world, but the special interests, union, higher echelon persons and of course the wealthy lobbyists are never satisfied. Yet this rabble called the Senate Gang of Eight and their colleagues want more and more, through passing more laws to attain maximum work visas and not even demanding that the criminal aliens go to the very end of the line.

Hopefully Americans and especially lower achievers, who work hard for a living; African Americans are especially fighting to survive and if this new law passes, they will have to compete for fewer jobs, as will the less educated Whites, Asians and even Hispanics who came here honestly. How can we ever trust politicians again, when the agencies a full of scandals and conspiracies against the 10 million U.S. citizens/ legal residents who have given up hunting for a decent job or employed in temporary work, when these people in Washington have no intention of stopping the flow of illegal aliens. From what I have studied this Senate bill 477, is even worse than the one signed into law nearly three decades ago. Our only chance to bring this awful rushed draft in this new bill is to make the Congressional House tremble with no confidence in either party.

What in God’s name makes these politicians tick? Have they forgotten they work for the American people, who in every instance MUST COME FIRST? It’s beyond me, why illegal immigration has not been seen by the courts as a class one—FELONY? Try breaking into any foreign government across our border, because if you don’t have the proper papers—YOU END UP IN JAIL. And that’s if you’re lucky. MANY PEOPLE DISAPPEAR NEVER TO BE HEARD FROM AGAIN, ONCE YOU LEAVE MEXICO SOUTH. Once upon a time I have travelled through Mexico and beyond. Today you’re taking your life into your own hands. You’re probably safe in resort areas I’m sure, but as for me—NEVER AGAIN?

Unfortunately the politicians are not so happy with their public servant salaries, and so they are led astray by the Special interests whose only demand is amendments to bills or other kinds of underhand irregularities. Once you get into Washington the favors are running in torrents. Its self explanatory and few lawmakers remain uncorrupted by the lobbyists that hang around Congress. This has already been illustrated in the Mark-up, as almost all those present disputed any reasonable amendments authored by Sen. Jeff Session of Alabama, Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas or Sen. Marco Rubio as TRIGGERS to bring to an end the border madness. Insufficient is the word, because not only have these demented souls left to Homeland Security Secretary Napolitano full discretion to run the agency, but the border TRIGGER of building the true double layer fence has been rejected, as the majority of other stringent enforcement measures would have done. There excuse too much money? But what are we spending now—hundreds and hundreds of billions each year? There are millions of members in the TEA PARTY, in Conservative organizations. Then as we are seeing now average Americans from the left to the right are having nervous breakdowns over this Presidents ideology. It’s all about this issue and even Obama’s National Health care that is radiating throughout the country, that the cost will paralyze the peoples pay check. The only people that include welfare illegal aliens and even “freeloader” Americans who are well gratified by this “Tax & Spend” because they survive on different entitlement programs, such as food stamps.
Glenn Spencer, American Border Patrol -- June 5
On August 15, 2012, the USCIS released the forms necessary to apply for DACA – Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (Obama's amnesty program). Less than one month later, reports began to appear suggesting a surge in cross border activity.
In early February, Del Sol, a Mexican newspaper, reported a link.
Mexico City -- Given the increased flow of Mexicans in the northern border because of the immigration reform announced by the government of the United States, Senator PRD Barrales Alejandra Magdaleno request the Federal Executive a report of the measures are implemented to ensure respect for their rights and safety at crossings on the northern border.
Leo Banks of the Tucson Weekly once observed, "The word amnesty possesses remarkable power on the Mexican side of the line. It has the same effect as a starter's pistol."
The mainstream media are reporting that apprehensions are up over last year (fiscal year that ended Sept. 30, 2012). However, a review of stories in USA Today and The Christian Science Monitor found no mention of a possible link between the launch of the amnesty program and an increase in illegal immigration; even though some pretty good data, and a report from the Mexican government, suggests this is the case.
Once again we are experiencing bias, i.e., the media refuse to report on anything that might make Obama look bad --- or that illegal aliens are gaming the system.

Obvious to most people the mainstream press is not telling the truth, deny it to themselves or prefer not saying anything at all? Illegal immigrants are coming and coming big time. Who wouldn’t? They want to gain illegal entry, before the cut-off date. But even with the deadline, it really won’t matter, as just like the 1986 Immigration bill there was so many fraudulent applications and to this day, those background checks were whitewashed. But what most people don’t recognize we are still paying for all those impoverished people, because the original individuals gaining legal status were able to sponsor their close family in Chain Migration, which like a pyramid scheme keeps building on its self and the cost to taxpayers—asphyxiating?

TAXPAYERS PAY ALL THE COSTS AND THE LEGISLATORS DO NOTHING, AND THE WHOLE THING IS GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN?

IT IS NOW OR NEVER TO FIGHT BACK OR WE WILL ONCE AGAIN BE CONDEMNED TO BE VISITED ONCE AGAIN BY THE IRS. Start overloading the phones in Washington. "NO AMNESTY! DROP THIS IMMIGRATION BILL IN TO THE GARBAGE!" Send scathing faxes into the in-boxes of every member of the U.S. House and Senate using the mailing system at www.numbersusa.com/ Even contact your faxes to 435 Representatives in Congress. Give them no excuse to escape your anger. It’s free or you can help out with a donation? Let lawmakers make a distinction that, “A vote for Amnesty means NO REELECTION FOR THEM!" We can jam their phones at toll-free -- 1-888-978-3094--. Set up your message on Twitter or Facebook and Social network as the Left is doing the same with their counterproductive ambiguous information. You can contact millions of people on these Social networks, so we can hammer away at these untrustworthy politicians who many become rich by bowing to lobbyists. Read even more facts about illegal immigration at American Patrol website.

All the previous generations of Americans/ legal residents must band together on this urgent matter nothing will change. The wealthy purveyors of cash and favors in the pockets of the G8 will prevail, and the rest of us will be startled by the corrupt IRS institution wanting more taxes. As for the IRS after this fiasco, the whole institution should be abolished and let us enter the realm of a flat tax. A simple consumption tax on goods or a single, small rate of tax on income to fund each administration and the services provided. That is where taxable income and corporate profits don’t escape payment for living in this great country. A fair and equal tax that everybody will pay, without any exemptions, including, mega corporations who hide their ill-gotten gains overseas and even the poor must pay a small amount, instead of living of the taxpayer. IN CONCLUSION WE SHOULD DEMAND FROM CONGRESS A NATIONAL BIOMETRIC ID CARD, GIVING CITIZENS SOME MEASURE OF SECURITY IN CLAIMING A JOB, BEING ABLE TO VOTE AND AS A SAFEGUARD AGAINST CREDIT CARD FRAUD. If every citizen possessed a federal ID card there would be no more severe issues over identification in voting with non-citizen.

LostNTime

BORING!!! Illegal immigrants could not care less about different benefits draw up a contract that says I UNDERSTAND I CAN NEVER CLAIM ANY BENEFIT FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE IN AMERICA in exchange for a visa or green card and the opportunity to work live and have the ability to start my life and be free in this beautiful land.

I guarantee all immigrants will be banging the door down to sign it; too may people are bent on the idea immigrants come here to claim something; this is the furthest thing on any of their minds; walk a few steps in their shoes and all you will feel is a sense of simply wanting your life to start the ability to work hard and have a great life in a land filled with opportunity.

Bob San Antonio and the border

We spent 11.7 billion dollars last year on border security. When was our border with Mexico more secure? Even after Germany sent the famous Zimmerman letter asking Mexico to attack the United States during WWI we never invested as many resources or spent as much money to secure the border as we
did last year.

This year we will spend more and people will continue to cry for a secure border: an ambiguous term that has no single meaning so it can never
be achieved.

A secure border does nothing (zero) to address the 4.4 million (of the 11 million people on U.S. soil without authorization) that entered our nation legally, but remained when their Visas expired. Furthermore, it does nothing (zero) to address the cause of the immigration.

Proposed bills avoid inclusion of what happens to those immigrants that either do not qualify or do not apply for legal status.

m.s. beveridge

The only way to understand this bill is in the context of the powers behind it. These are big corporations, who see their moment to bring in hundreds of thousands of more people. A big labor pool has been the dream of every businessman since the Industrial Revolution. The more there are competing for the same job the less business has to pay. That is your pay check at risk.And the trusting American public gets the bill in the form of schools, roads, police, fire and medical care. That Democrats should so far abandon their core supporters, the working men and women of this country, to push such a bill is shameful.

Reggie

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