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The QB debate, possible DB changes & more

The one complaint I've heard more than any other since Miami lost to North Carolina Saturday isn't that the Canes secondary imploded or that the pass rush didn't do a good enough job getting in Cameron Sexton's face. It wasn't that UM offensive coordinator Patrick Nix did a bad job calling plays late in the game (although that's becoming another big complaint again). Nope, what Canes fans are most concerned about is the way Randy Shannon is handling his quarterbacks.

Robert_marveThe complaint is simple: fans feel sticking in freshman Jacory Harris for a series is killing Miami's offensive momentum. Coach Randy Shannon has said time and time again this season he wants to get Harris in the game to make sure he's ready to go should starter Robert Marve go down. Tuesday, during his meeting with the media for the Florida State game, Shannon addressed it again and defended the decision. "The last two times we put Jacory in he went down and got three points. So we're scoring points," Shannon explained. "It helps Robert out to see what the defense is doing since we've been moving the ball, are they changing their defensive scheme? When he comes back he doesn't miss a beat."

For his part, Harris has done well when he's been in. He certainly hasn't hurt the team. He hasn't turned the ball over and he's moved the offense down the field. Marve, meanwhile, has still been able to move the team downfield and score points when he comes back in.

"I don't think it throws me out of my groove – I came back and completed balls," Marve said Tuesday. "I didn't feel out of groove. I felt good when I came back in (vs. UNC)."

The bottomline is there is more to this story than just 'Jacory needs experience.' I spoke with one of Harris' former position coaches at Northwestern Monday night who told me a big reason Harris decided to come to Miami in the first place was because Shannon promised him playing time -- regardless if whether or not Marve was healthy. If that's true, it might explain Shannon's commitment to his playing time. If you think about it, Shannon is in a tough spot here no matter what. Not only does he need Harris to be ready if needed, but he needs Harris to be here at the University of Miami and happy should anything happen to Marve. Neither of UM's other backup quarterbacks, Cannon Smith or Taylor Cook, look like they'll be ready any time soon to run this team. If Shannon doesn't play Harris like it has supposedly been promised, what's to stop Harris from leaving?

Privately, Jacory's former position coach told me Harris' family is anxious about Jacory having to wait three years to become the starter on this team (something Jacory mentioned to us last week). According to his position coach, other schools have continued to tell Harris' family and friends he could come in and start if he transferred. Miami obviously can't afford that. There is no star quarterback coming in with UM's 2009 class. Although AJ Highsmith plays quarterback in high school, he is likely headed to another position when he gets to UM. Locally, Miami has a real good shot at getting the next great QB in South Florida in Miami Central's Jeffrey Godfrey in 2010 (UM's Corey Bell was his head coach at Edison and Godfrey has known Tim Harris since he was a kid playing optimist ball in Overtown). But that's two years away. Harris, meanwhile, continues to put his best foot forward and maintain a positive attitude. "I just have to be ready," Harris said when asked of what's it like waiting to see if and when he'll come in and play. "If I'm not, there'll be a lot of mess-ups."

> While the hot topic this week has been the quarterbacks, the real area of concern for the Canes in all honesty is its secondary.

Before Tuesday's practice, UM coach Randy Shannon told reporters he expects Florida State to try the deep ball because "we haven't been able to stop it" and that there would likely be some changes in the Canes secondary this week. Looks like the first one could be moving freshman Brandon Harris into the starting lineup at cornerback.

Brandon_harrisHarris, who has been playing about 35 snaps a game in nickel situations, told us after practice he's been elevated to working with the first team with Chavez Grant. The depth chart lists Grant behind Bruce Johnson, but Harris said Grant is now playing more at nickel and DeMarcus Van Dyke, Johnson and Carlos Armour are splitting time at the other corner position.

Shannon said earlier in the day Tuesday that safety Anthony Reddick visited him in his office this weekend and told him he thought guys were pressing, trying to make plays. UM's secondary has yet to produce an interception and has given up eight touchdowns through the air. Brandon Harris said another problem is "guys peaking into the backfield and worrying about the run." Harris said "guys have to train their eyes and be disciplined" and that position coach Wesley McGriff is doing that in practice this week." But the big problem is urgency.

"I think that's the big problem, guys really want to make the big play and sometimes we go out of our territory to make the big play and we leave our zones open," Harris said. "I think if we just focus on our assignments, everything will come together."

That's what happened to Van Dyke, who said he received phone calls from several former players including Kenny Phillips and Mike Rumph over the weekend. He said Rumph told him he made the same mistake against Penn State years ago in the Orange Bowl and bounced back from it.

"I was trying to make a play and undercut the rout," Van Dyke explained of giving up the winning score to Brooks Foster with less than a minute to play Saturday. "I saw the man run a corner route and I tried to make a big play for the team, but it didn't quite happen. I learned from my mistake so next time it won't happen. I'll go for the tackle or the breakup and save my team a W instead of an L.

> Shannon said he's been really encouraged by the play of freshman Travis Benjamin on punt returns and is expecting him to "break one soon." Benjamin is averaging 17.7 yards a return this season and had a 36-yard return against North Carolina and a 44-yarder against Texas A&M. Benjamin has gotten some big blocks to spring him on those returns. Colin McCarthy has been in on both of them.

Travis_benjamin"I feel like every game my ability to catch the ball and follow my assignment, eventually I'll break one pretty soon," Benjamin said. "Before I even go on the field, I look at Chavez and Colin because they are my keys on which way I'm supposed to go. They say if I got them, they got me."

Benjamin is the next freshman I expect to have a breakout performance -- ala Thearon Collier. Last week, offensive coordinator Patrick Nix called for two runs for Benjamin, who played in the backfield in high school, too.

"Coach told me last week they got to find a way to get the ball in my hands because of my speed and my ability," Benjamin said. "Because to them, when I get the ball in my hands, there's no telling what I can do."

> Shannon defended offensive coordinator Patrick Nix Tuesday morning saying he believes Nix has done a great job with his young quarterbacks, managing Graig Cooper (who has 2 100-yard games) and creating great balance. Shannon pointed out UM ran the ball 33 times and threw it 33 times against North Carolina.

> Running back Javarris James is out of his walking boot, but Shannon told reporters to still not expect James back yet this weekend. He said James would likely start working on a bike this week. The expectations are he could be back on the practice field at some point next week as UM prepares for UCF. But my guess is James would likely be questionable at best whether or not he plays that week as well -- especially considering UCF is a non-conference opponent and Randy's new philosophy with injuries.

"Javarris was running around today, but he won't go this week," Shannon said after Tuesday's practice. "But he's out of the boot. He ran around a lot with the trainers today, did some sled work. It will probably be next week that he'll be back into it. I'm hopeful for the UCF game."

> As for the other injuries, freshman defensive tackle Marcus Forston is back this week after his shoulder injury caused him to miss the North Carolina game. Backup running back Derron Thomas was also back out at practice after leaving the UNC game early, which is a good sign.

> Receiver Thearon Collier is another story. I saw him walk off the field today (he wasn't wearing pads or practicing) wincing and holding his side as he walked off. Shannon told us Collier was taken to the hospital Saturday and released after being treated. Rumor is its either his ribs or even his spleen. There's probably no way Collier plays this week. "Thearon, I doubt if he'll be going this week," Shannon said. "Maybe if he works some mojo he'll be back. But I doubt it."

> As for Miami's other star running back, Shannon reiterated this week he's trying not to overuse Cooper. He said again Tuesday he wants to keep Cooper fresh. Cooper played mostly in the first and fourth quarters against North Carolina.

"We need Cooper fresh in the game," Shannon said. "That last three minutes of the game when Cooper slipped on the ground, we were about to get what we needed to take the game over. We can't go in the game and say use Cooper the first three quarters and the fourth quarter comes and he can't do those things. That's why we do the things with Cooper and Derron [Thomas] to spell him. We're going to continually do that and make sure we don't spend Cooper out the first half and now the fourth quarter we don't have one of our best players on the field."

> Shannon said he's not ready yet to announce who he'll be redshirting this year. "You've still got time. Injuries can happen. If they can help us, we won't redshirt them."

Here's my guess as to who will redshirt (games played in parenthesis): RB Damien Berry (1), fullback John Calhoun (1), safety Jared Campbell (1), defensive end Gavin Hardin (1), defensive tackle Jeremy Lewis (1), quarterback Cannon Smith (1), receiver Kendall Thompkins (2), safety Joe Wylie (1), quarterback Taylor Cook (0), kicker Jake Wieclaw (0), safety Ramon Buchanon (0), receiver Tommy Streeter (0), offensive lineman Ben Jones (0) and defensive end Andrew Smith (2).

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Great job Manny.

Thanks for getting us quality info day in and out.

Manny...what's up? Great blog! Benjamin is gonna break one soon no doubt.

Q: Is there a date when the official red shirts have to be announced by?

F$U has played only one good team....WF...and scored 3 pts., but held them to what 12? [whatever]. This is going to be a low scoring game...and we MUST stop the run..and put pressure on the QB...

PEOPLE STOP CRYING AND WRITING THESE LONG WINEY ESSAYS!

THE CANES ARE MISSING THIS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG_f1GzmwHo

AND UNTIL WE GET PLAYERS WITH HEART LIKE THIS ITS GONNA BE A LONG ROAD!

I hope the guys in the secondary get it figured out this week. We're giving up to many passing yards and points in the fourth quarter to poor secondary play. This team is making nice game-to-game progress in every facet except in the secondary.

Good stuff... one of your better articles with opinions and interview statements.
Cat

there is only 1 change necessary... that is the position of the HC... get rid of the bum now and move forward... man can't coach... but sure as hell can lay some blame can't he? with Randy... it's all about the L...

makes me sick

lol... lost to a backup QB... UNC loves playing UM... they are Randy's biggest fans...

Welcome to the under-funded world of mediocre college football. Enjoy the next decade of competing with middle weights. Hire your coach on a shoe string budget and get what you pay for.

Posted by: gaturd agent provocateur | September 30, 2008 at 06:29 PM
budget coach affords expensive assistants ...

BLANK CHECK

Screw firing the coach, fire
Donna-Sha. She's the final piece in all the people who have dragged UM down into this mess. What Paul Dee did to the University of Miami is sad. Combine his legacy

Posted by: gaturd agent provocateur | September 30, 2008 at 06:29 PM
misplaced blame ...
Larry Coker misevaluated talent ...
tantamount to self-imposed probation ...

CULPRIT

with his dismissal, Donna Shalala & Paul Dee righted a wrong ...

BACK ON TRACK


Anyone who wants to fire Shalala is out of their mind. As an alum, she has done more for the prestige of the University in 7 years than anyone in the history of the institution. If you are an alum you understand this!
It bothers me that the football team is mediocre, but everyone has to stop living in the past. Everything runs in cycles. UM happened to have the LONGEST, successfull run in the history of college football and we will be back in the near future.
It's not about the administration. It's not even about the coaches (although Shannon playing politics hurts everyone)! It's about the players and leadership. Remember they are all Freshman and Sophomores. Most underclassman who succeed are mixed in with upperclassman.

Coker set this program back 5 years by being inept in every aspect and now we have to play every freshman because they are better than the upperclassman. Coker didn't win a National Championship, the players did. Anyone of us could have coached that team.
Butch wasn't and still isn't a good coach, but he can recruit talented players.
If you have more talent than everyone else and the players have the desire to win (Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, Ken Dorsey), then it doesn't matter who the coach is because the talent makes the coaches look like a genius.
What, did Pete Carrol all of the sudden become a good coach? Bill Belichek? No, they have or had more talent than everyone else.
Talent trumps all else and as long as we get the top players in South Florida as we did over the past 25/30 years, this team will be back on top regardless of the coach. All the coach needs to do is recruit and Shannon can do that!

"Privately, Jacory's former position coach told me Harris' family is anxious about Jacory having to wait three years to become the starter on this team (something Jacory mentioned to us last week). According to his position coach, other schools have continued to tell Harris' family and friends he could come in and start if he transferred."
HARRIS GOT BEAT OUT WE CAN KEEP THEM BOTH HAPPY. ITS ABOUT WINS NOT KEEPING A KID & HIS FAMILY HAPPY.WE KEEP PULLING MAVER WE LEAVE PTS ON THE FIELD.
ONE OF THEM WILL TRANSFER & MARVES THE BETTER QB.

I always thought that you could not redshirt if you played in a game. How much time are you allowed to play and still be eligible to redshirt?

And what about Brandon Marti? Didn't he make it in, and if so is he not redshirting?

What ever happened to Jared Campbell? He had high expectations coming in as Calais' brother.

Manny, outstanding work!

Coach Shannon must have forgot that the only reason Miami was able to get a chance at a field goal on Jacory's first drive was because of a fortunate running into the kicker penalty, which should've been roughing the kicker. Otherwise it would've been a 3&out.

Timing is everything. Putting in Jacory on the first drive after Carolina just scores a td is not the best time to put in a different qb and disrupt THE OFFENSE"S RHYTHYM! It's not just about the qb's. If he promised playing time to Harris in every game, then build up lead enough to put him in for mop up time. If he transfers so be it. He knew comming in Marve was here. Jacory says he's a competitor. If he runs away because he can't beat out Marve then goodbye Jacory. But I don't think it's something to be concerned about for at least until after 09.

Q. What's up with Shawnbrey Mcneal? Is he just not good at practice because when this guy was on the field a few times last year he made some plays. Some guys are gamers coach.

manny

if it was bad coaching by miami to run 3 times with 3 minutes to go in the game, was it also bad coaching by houston nutt at ole miss who did the same thing with a 31-30 lead against fla?

i also noticed in the cowboys-redskins game that jim zorn played in conservative and went for a field goal instead of a td because he was afraid of a turnover..was that bad coaching?

is it always bad coaching when you try to run out the clock instead of pass or just in miami. i am looking for consistency in your end of game strategy.

also i noticed that nc has three qbs that were some kind of scout.com all american. how come they're not talking about transferring.

are you just trying to stir it up with jacory
because it doesn't seem like a common practice.

Great entry. Great job by Manny. Great job by RS hitting some of the PR points.

We've got young players and young coaches. There are going to be growing pains this year, and RS is in a tough spot with the QBs. Trust in it though, we can turn this into a USC-like system where a great QB leaves his junior year and another great QB is ready to step in and play for 2 years before passing the torch onto another great QB.

The team is coming together, look how quickly linebackers and wide receivers shored up this year -- most kids fresh out of high school. I have no doubt the secondary will strengthen next year.

I don't wanna carry too much water for RS though -- I agree 2nd quarter isn't when you should put in your 2nd string QB for playing time. I like the idea of pulling a good lead into the 4th and handing the reins over. Jacory is gonna be a stud, and he produces points, so it's not like we've got to worry about giving the game away on offense. Giving him the 4th will allow Jacory to hit his groove too and get some substantial drives in instead of 1 or 2 spread out over the game. Jacory is young, but here's to hoping he'll take the next year or two to develop into a PHENOMENAL QB under the radar, then take the world by storm when it's his turn for the limelight.

It took Coker four years to lose six games.

Posted by: UTAH CANE | September 30, 2008 at 09:22 PM
with a roster chock-full of 1st-rounders thanks to Butch Davis ...

AUTOPILOT

Miami has more talented athletes than the rest of the ACC

Posted by: UTAH CANE | September 30, 2008 at 09:22 PM

GREEN

Shannon has already lost nine games and is on track to lose several more this year.

Posted by: UTAH CANE | September 30, 2008 at 09:22 PM

RECLAMATION PROJECT

It took Coker five years to lose nine games.

Posted by: UTAH CANE | September 30, 2008 at 09:22 PM
9 losses over the penultimate & ultimate season ...
b/c misevaluation bordered on malpractice ...
U fell ...
and couldn't get up ...
help me ...

COHEN & COHEN

Since when is a true Freshman at Miami expected to start right out the gate? I have no problem with Harris getting a little PT here and there at the end of games or as a change up insertion at certain moments... but if you're 2nd string then you're 2nd string.

Players at UM used to thrive on competition and it was the norm. Don't come to Gables if you're not wanting to beat the other guy out fair and square. Not too long ago it was expected that an incoming Freshman QB would sit a couple of years and then Junior year the job was his to lose (Walsh, Erickson, Toretta and Costa; etc) If Marve is no. 1 great and if not step right up Mr. Harris.

I'm ranting but its BS to think playing time is gauranteed and if that's what you're expecting not wanting to compete and earn it then so be it and transfer. NO I"M NOT ENCOURAGING JACORY OR MARVE TO TRANSFER HERE. I have never spoken to either obviously and have no idea what their actual mind set is and can only go by what's written here in the blog by Manny and all the idiot phanatics posting and yes that includes myself.

GO CANES!
C-A-N-E-S CANNNNes
Woosh Woosh

aren't all of you that are complaining about jacory the same ones that complained that
derrick crudup then kyle then kirby needed some sort of package in the first half?

all of this jacory is hurting the chemistry and rythm is crap. jacory will have to win a game or two before this season is over. mark it down.

Good job Manny.

GO CANES!!!

I have been ostracized on the other site but let me say this. A quarterback of the U needs to throw for a minimum of 150 yards a game to win. PERIOD. In 2 of his three starts, Marve has NOT done that. You can blame Nix all you want but the QB must run the plays called, and stay in the pocket long enough to do that, even if it means taking a hit for the team.

When you scramble outside of the pocket, you limit the entire play called to one or two receivers. It is the long one downfield on that side, or the short one 5 yards away. Marve has thrown to the short player. That increases completion percentage for sure but does not move the team down the field.

But when you stay in the pocket, and observe the whole field, you have 5 options instead of two. For whatever reason, Marve runs out of the pocket. That makes the recievers look bad, because they run the routes, and may be open, but the quarterback is not in position to throw them the ball because he has scrambled to the other side of the field.

Offensive football is the same as defense. You must be disciplined. The receiver must be at a certain spot, and the quarterback must be at his spot. The receiver can run a 10.2 hundred yard dash, but if the quarterback is on the wrong side of the field, you don't complete the pass. If the quarterback is in the pocket, you have a chance.

When a quarterback goes into the game winning drive with less that 100 yards passing, as has happened in 2 of the three games he starter, the issue is not with the calls but the quarterback. He is doing something wrong, because Offensive Coordinators want to work too, and they won't survive a quarterback who throws for only 100 yards in 3 and a half quarters.

I don't know if Harris is ready. The 52 points against Charleston Southern were amazing for a Mimai team but that was a JV game. But what people need to understand is that when he went in and played, defensive coaches adjust to what has worked for you. So in some ways, his playing time has been more difficult. And his playing time in no way has hurt this team. And I will tell you this, if UM loses this kid because he wasn't given the true chance to start, because of a pre-season competition, UM will regret that decision for years. If Marve were putting up 200 yards a game each start, I wouldn't say this. But he hasn't, and he hasn't been close.

I wish Shannon would just leave Marve in for the entire game, so that we can finally put to rest this whole rhythm and momentum garbage to rest once and for all. That way with Jacory out of the way, all the fans without a lick of football knowledge can go find themselves another scapegoat to burn to the stake. Our offense has sucked for like four or five years, but the reason why we apparently blow this year unlike all the other years is because of Jacory Harris playing one or two series in the first half. Marve has more zip on the ball, but Jacory performances on the field has been on par with Marve's performances. If sitting one or two series in the first half, yet playing the entire second half of every game takes you out of your "rhythm", then quite frankly You're not that special of a player. PERIOD.


People this thing is not that complicated. Shannon will never put put Jacory in after Marve and the offense has struggled. That right there is what creates a worried qb and a qb controversy. He only puts Jacory in the game while Marve and the offense is on cloud 9. That way Marve does not leave the game feeling as if he's being punished for the offense's performance. If you're bent on playing two qbs this is how it should be done, most coaches screw up and by doing it the other way round. I've been on both ends of the spectrum in this type of situation on the football field. And I tell you the truth, you'd rather be Marve in this situation. The pressure from fans will always be on Jacory to at worst duplicate the same fantastic series of offense that they just saw from the previous series. It's that unrealistic garbage that has these fans at the neck of Shannon and Jacory. People we had a 10 point lead in the second half, a second half that Jacory did not enter. We were at 9-3 in the second half of the UF, Jacory didn't play the second half of that game as well, but take a wild guess at who got blamed for messing up Marve's rhythm. I think it's time for fans to realize that Jacory has nothing to do with Robert Marve throwing the ball darn near 30 times for only 100 yards and two picks. I'm not saying Jacory should take the man's job, but there is no way Jacory leaves that game with those yards with that many attempts. I'm not sure when it's going to happen, maybe week 10, but sooner or later you guys are going to have to hold Marve accountable just like everyone else. The second we started looking like last years sorry group, my "homer glasses" were thrown off.

I wish Shannon would just leave Marve in for the entire game, so that we can finally put to rest this whole rhythm and momentum garbage to rest once and for all. That way with Jacory out of the way, all the fans without a lick of football knowledge can go find themselves another scapegoat to burn to the stake. Our offense has sucked for like four or five years, but the reason why we apparently blow this year unlike all the other years is because of Jacory Harris playing one or two series in the first half. Marve has more zip on the ball, but Jacory performances on the field has been on par with Marve's performances. If sitting one or two series in the first half, yet playing the entire second half of every game takes you out of your "rhythm", then quite frankly You're not that special of a player. PERIOD.


People this thing is not that complicated. Shannon will never put put Jacory in after Marve and the offense has struggled. That right there is what creates a worried qb and a qb controversy. He only puts Jacory in the game while Marve and the offense is on cloud 9. That way Marve does not leave the game feeling as if he's being punished for the offense's performance. If you're bent on playing two qbs this is how it should be done, most coaches screw up and by doing it the other way round. I've been on both ends of the spectrum in this type of situation on the football field. And I tell you the truth, you'd rather be Marve in this situation. The pressure from fans will always be on Jacory to at worst duplicate the same fantastic series of offense that they just saw from the previous series. It's that unrealistic garbage that has these fans at the neck of Shannon and Jacory. People we had a 10 point lead in the second half, a second half that Jacory did not enter. We were at 9-3 in the second half of the UF, Jacory didn't play the second half of that game as well, but take a wild guess at who got blamed for messing up Marve's rhythm. I think it's time for fans to realize that Jacory has nothing to do with Robert Marve throwing the ball darn near 30 times for only 100 yards and two picks. I'm not saying Jacory should take the man's job, but there is no way Jacory leaves that game with those yards with that many attempts. I'm not sure when it's going to happen, maybe week 10, but sooner or later you guys are going to have to hold Marve accountable just like everyone else. The second we started looking like last years sorry group, my "homer glasses" were thrown off.

First of all, I agree with the bloggr onMArves 100 yd games. He needs to put up numbers like T-bown (300 in a loss), Grothe at USF (consistentle above 250-300), Sanchez at USC, etc. I mean, isnt this Mr football? Then throw the ball, and receivers catch the ball. If the ball hits the receivers hands it HAS to be caught Period. No xcuses.

On Harris- Hey, if you dont like it,leave. Look at Willie Williams. He didnt like thebench, left, and now where is he?

Mark Sancez of USC is playing in his FIRST year as a starter and could get drafted if he has a good year. Thats all it takes. So patience my son. PAtience. The QB POSITION IS ABOUT BRAINS and learning. You get that by sitting back and watching. That's how surgeons learn. Once you are the starter (if you win it from Taylor Cook when the time comes), you can showcase your talent. NOTE: Just because Jacorry's family wants him tostart doesnt mean that he will be out Taylor Cook. Don't forget that small detail!

The D MUST step up against FSU. If we shut down their run, we will win. That simple.

Jacory has never complain about playing, it's coach Shannon promise him playing time. So when it's time to go in, he has to be ready to go in and play, now if Nix calls conservative plays, then Jacory or Marve has to run the plays that was called. I'm quite sure, they see opportunities to check out of that play, I know this is not High School, but Jacory was calling his own plays at Northwestern last year. Do you think he's forgot how to call plays, and the answer is no. If Jacory and Marve could, they would audible out of those vanilla plays that Nix calls. We were up by 14 points, why tone it down? You build on it until the game is out of reach and then you bring in the back up players. I'm happy that we have two solid quarterbacks instead of what we had last year.

SHANNON MAKES A GREAT POINT OF NOT USING UP GRAIG COOPER. THAT WAY WHEN THE GAME IS LATE WE CAN USE HIM TO WIN THE GAME JUST LIKE WE DID AGAINST UNC.

THRRRRRRRRPPPPPPPPPPPPP!

Shannon speaking about Nix:
“I think he’s doing a great job for us, scoring points, working with quarterbacks who are doing tremendous for us,” Shannon said. “Patrick’s done a tremendous job with [the quarterbacks.] We’re getting yards, points, are developing each week with the youngness of this football team on offense and they’re getting better each week.”

By Steve B
September 30, 2008 11:25 PM
Nix has a ton of talent, experienced offensive lineman and his offense is rated 99th in the country. A great job? NOT ! UM averaged 5 yards per pass last week.North Carolina averaged 10 yds with a 3rd string QB. Shannon is either being political or he is delusional.


@ Steve B
Shannon can't even keep sentences straight. (see above) Don't expect him to be able to speak supportively yet still identify that their is a problem. He simply can't do it. This guy will go down in flames sooner than later. Cane fan just can't grasp that...yet. It's coming.

CLEARANCE RACK COACH

Testing..testing...1...2...3..4

VaCanesFan and jaime:

You do realize that Marve was at one point 16 for 22 for 100 yards right? It's not like Marve is not completing his passes, it's that the designed play only calls for the SAME FRIGGIN middle screen for 3 yards. I'm sick of the play calling. You want Marve to go vertically? Call Nix and yell at him for not trusting his QB until the final 46 seconds when we have to drive 70 yards (and nearly did).

The reason Marve is scrambling is either because the play is designed for him to move the pocket, or the pocket is collapsing. Sorry, after watching KW and KF take sacks after sacks, Marve's scrambling is a delight to see. Especially considering that everytime I see him do it, he usually picks up the first down, or gives him a chance to simply throw it away. So that's not the problem.

And as for the Harris situation, I don't give three F***s what Shannon said to him during the recruiting stages, you come to the U to compete. Beat out Marve and you'll start, don't and you wait your turn. Simple as that. If you want to transfer because you're a chicken, then go ahead, we don't need you. But it's not like this is the first time we've had two talented QB's in the roster. Just wait your turn dammit!

Lastly, I don't know why Shannon promised him anything. I recall that Shannon use to say he would tell the recruits, "I don't guarantee you playing time, just that you'll play if you beat out the other person." But apparently Harris is special to Shannon. I wonder why.

"You do realize that Marve was at one point 16 for 22 for 100 yards right? It's not like Marve is not completing his passes, it's that the designed play only calls for the SAME FRIGGIN middle screen for 3 yards. I'm sick of the play calling. You want Marve to go vertically? Call Nix and yell at him for not trusting his QB until the final 46 seconds when we have to drive 70 yards (and nearly did)." -- Posted by Casual Observer.

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Couldn't agree more. 16 completions for 100 yards is ridiculous. Nix is calling too many designed roll-outs instead of dropping straight back and attacking down the field. I agree that Mavre sometimes moves out of the pocket too quickly but I can live with that. The problem is that Nix refuses to throw the ball down the field. Not sure how much of this is Shannon, but their play calls are just too conservative. Instead of putting UNC away in 2nd half, Nix got way too conservative and allowed the Heels to stick around. A few big plays later and UNC steals the game. Miami needs to play to win instead of not to lose.

Thanks Manny.

Jacory is playing, so what? He is doing fine, especially for a true freshmen. IF Marve gets hurt and Harris steps in and doesn't miss a beat then Shannon is a genius. We did not lose either game because Jacory took a snap or two.

Thanks again Manny.

I always thought that you could not redshirt if you played in a game. How much time are you allowed to play and still be eligible to redshirt?

Posted by: St.PeteCane | September 30, 2008 at 09:36 PM

According to new NCAA rules, as long as a player doesn't play in more than 30% of the season, he can be redshirted.


Q: Is there a date when the official red shirts have to be announced by?
Posted by: 86Cane | September 30, 2008 at 07:39 PM


Coaches can now wait until after the season to decide whether or not to redshirt someone.

Manny,

Thank you for your hard work; you do a great job.

Ponce

Get rid of Shannon and get who to coach ? How you don't remember nobody wanted the job to begin with. If miami wins on saturday, the remainder of the schedule is very promising. Although we lost the UNC game, week by week Miami has gotten better. Not defending Nix but also with the off. coordinator position nobody stepped up for that job either and Dan Werner was worse than Nix. I know as a fan it's hard to see us lose that UNC game but as I said before we will get to a bowl this year (hopefully not back to boise).

Would all you coaches just shut up! We played great against T A&M and the blogs were quite. Why didn't you post negative news then, or why didn't you post positive news then? We lost a great game with a 2nd year HC and all you want to do is complain! Shut up and give Randy and the other coaches time to turn it around.

Should USC fire Pete C.? They lost to a bad team!
Should Florida fire Meyers? They lost to a bad team!
Should Georgia fire Richt?
Wake Forest is the highest ranked ACC team and they lost to Navy? Should they fire their coach?

If we lose you want the coach fired and you complain about it!

If we win you don't say crap!

Get it in your head, this team is in rebuilding mode and it will take 1 to 5 years to turn it around.

It's not Shannon's job to make Harris happy. It's Shannons job to get his team in a position to win games. When you start giving players game time to make them happy, there are problems. Marve is the guy, stick with him.

I have been ostracized on the other site but let me say this. A quarterback of the U needs to throw for a minimum of 150 yards a game to win. PERIOD. In 2 of his three starts, Marve has NOT done that. You can blame Nix all you want but the QB must run the plays called, and stay in the pocket long enough to do that, even if it means taking a hit for the team.

When you scramble outside of the pocket, you limit the entire play called to one or two receivers. It is the long one downfield on that side, or the short one 5 yards away. Marve has thrown to the short player. That increases completion percentage for sure but does not move the team down the field.

But when you stay in the pocket, and observe the whole field, you have 5 options instead of two. For whatever reason, Marve runs out of the pocket. That makes the recievers look bad, because they run the routes, and may be open, but the quarterback is not in position to throw them the ball because he has scrambled to the other side of the field.

Offensive football is the same as defense. You must be disciplined. The receiver must be at a certain spot, and the quarterback must be at his spot. The receiver can run a 10.2 hundred yard dash, but if the quarterback is on the wrong side of the field, you don't complete the pass. If the quarterback is in the pocket, you have a chance.

When a quarterback goes into the game winning drive with less that 100 yards passing, as has happened in 2 of the three games he starter, the issue is not with the calls but the quarterback. He is doing something wrong, because Offensive Coordinators want to work too, and they won't survive a quarterback who throws for only 100 yards in 3 and a half quarters.

I don't know if Harris is ready. The 52 points against Charleston Southern were amazing for a Mimai team but that was a JV game. But what people need to understand is that when he went in and played, defensive coaches adjust to what has worked for you. So in some ways, his playing time has been more difficult. And his playing time in no way has hurt this team. And I will tell you this, if UM loses this kid because he wasn't given the true chance to start, because of a pre-season competition, UM will regret that decision for years. If Marve were putting up 200 yards a game each start, I wouldn't say this. But he hasn't, and he hasn't been close.

Posted by: VaCanesFan | October 01, 2008 at 01:12 AM

Are you calling Robert Marve the problem? If you can't see how good Robert Marve is already, then you should seriously stop watching football. Typical idiot Miami fan.

Manny, you write a great, informative column. What makes it greater is the fact that Coach Shannon is not very cooperative with giving you information. But after reading your column I have to quit reading the blogs most of which are a joke.
Considering the fact that UM has so many freshmen playing the team is playing remarkably well, much greater than expectations. ESPN and the rest of the country appreciate that fact, but not your bloggers.
I have no doubt that UM will be highly ranked next year. These freshmen will have a year's experience and will be much stronger, physically and mentally. Plus with Bryce Brown coming in to join Cooper with Marve and Harris at quarterback the future is bright indeed.

We still need corners!! If we had cover corners, nobody would care as much when Jacory played... or how nauseating Nix's play-calling has been. Corners!

Yes, but I think JH's 3 points could be Marve's 7 points, IMHO!!!

Harris said. "I think if we just focus on our assignments, everything will come together."

YES, YES, YES!!! The coaches will put you in those positions to make the play. Just do your assignment, trust the coaches, and the plays will come.

I hope you all are seeign that the "I want to make a play" crap is getting you beat! I would rather you be in position making plays than out of position making plays. Just learn to bait the QB, and the balls will be slung your way.

Damn, where is Phillip Buchanon, Antrel Rolle, Kelly Jennings, and company to teach you guys this?

"That's what happened to Van Dyke, who said he received phone calls from several former players including Kenny Phillips and Mike Rumph over the weekend."

Ok, ok. So I post my thoughts as I read. U got me!!!

"Could be" Marve's 7. "Could be" Marve's picl 6... "Could be" me picking my nose! We don't live in a world of "Could be". Look at the game and tell us where it was lost.

My bad. "Would be".

It was lost at the point Sexton was put in at QB.

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