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QB drama starting to irk Canes

In his five years at the University of Miami, offensive lineman Chris Rutledge has not been someone to make a whole lot not of noise when it comes to dealing with the media. The big 6-5, 311-pound right tackle has been more like a big teddy bear -- quiet and cuddly. But it should tell you just how tired it appears this UM football team is becoming with the quarterback drama developing publicly about Robert Marve and Jacory Harris when even Rutledge is voicing his displeasure with the questions being asked of his QBs.

Jacory_harris2Sitting about 20 feet away from where reporters were interviewing Harris after practice Tuesday, Rutledge started his mockery of the media: "Hey Jacory are you tired of being the backup to Robert Marve?," Rutledge shouted. "Jacory shouldn't you be starting? Jacory do you get mad when you go back to the bench? Hey Jacory? Jacory?" A collection of teammates sitting next to Rutledge got a nice chuckle out of the whole performance. But the truth is, this quarterback drama is going to become a lot like a tired joke if it isn't already.

UM coach Randy Shannon started fielding questions about his quarterbacks during his Tuesday press conference before he basically reached his limit and told reporters he was going to put the questions to rest with one long answer (below). He followed it up by telling the media "You all can call their parents, too. I don't care. Do what you got to do to get your story."

Robert_marveShannon doesn't like the questions, but he has to realize they are going to keep coming as long as Marve and Harris share the position. While he's obviously nowhere near reaching a decision as to who will eventually be THE GUY in the future, we at least got some insight as to how he feels about the drama being stirred up by the media -- and how happy he feels no one is questioning him anymore as to why Jacory was getting playing time in the first place.

"Early in the season people were talking about Robert, don't play Jacory when Marve is doing well," Shannon said Tuesday. "But it's like I said before, this is a partnership of two quarterbacks that are going to help us to win games. I told you before we're going to play Jacory because we're going to need him.

Randy_shannon"To me, this is no different than Javarris James and Graig Cooper, Laron Byrd and Aldarius Johnson, Davon Johnson and Travis Benjamin, Allen Bailey and Andrew Smith. They are all in the process of helping us win games at the University of Miami, are young guys, are going to make mistakes, but if we all in this football program understand what we're doing with this football team we'll be fine. People outside want to make a controversy here, a controversy there, but there is no controversy. This is where we're at with this football program."

Jason_foxFor their part, Jacory and Marve really are putting the team first. Their coaches aren't just saying it, their teammates are too. Offensive tackle Jason Fox told me Tuesday he was worried after the Duke game Marve might be upset with seeing the bench for the second consecutive game, but was pleasantly surprised to see Marve happy the Canes had won. "I just wanted to make sure he wasn't down or anything because you know that's just the natural reaction, Fox said. "But he was excited we won the game. He just said I have to go back and work harder. The coaches still have all the faith in him and so does this team and he's still going to play and do a great job for us."

Across the board, other teammates backed Fox's claim. Receiver LaRon Byrd admitted Tuesday he worried there would be problems when he first arrived at UM, but says Marve and Harris have made the most of it. "I thought there was going to be a battle, but they're like brothers," Byrd said. "They watch film together. They study together. They teach each other things. Marve has been here a year longer and he'll teach Jacory things. Jacory will then come to us and say this how you to need to run things, your routes, things like that. So we all work together. I don't think its going to be a problem. LSU did it with Matt Flynn and Ryan Perriloux and they won a national championship. Why can't we do it here?"

Marve was pressed on the QB issue plenty Tuesday. So, was Harris. Both keep tossing out the company line. Marve said "As long as we keep winning I'm down for it." Harris said: "We're just trying to win games and whoever is in and taking control and helping us win games, we're both satisfied with that. We just want to win. We just want a ring to have on our finger and just have fun and live life."

Jacory_harrisWhy is it so hard for us to really believe that? Harris probably said it best Tuesday. "I understand what people are saying because before coming in I used to think like that, this is nothing but a competition, I want to start, things like that," Harris said. "But as you come in and see that your playing with somebody that can also lead this team to victory, you also humble yourself, you notice that your not bigger than the team. You aren't the only person that can do the job for the team. And that's how I kind of learned me and Robert, we can do this together. And that's what we basically began doing."

The question ultimately is if Marve and Harris will finish it together. The odds are long and stacked against them, especially for two guys as competitive as they are. But for now, here's a plea from me to the rest of the media to just let these guys play out their freshmen seasons. Nobody is going anywhere right now. Let's worry about it when the season is over. The questions are starting to become about as bad as a tired joke.

> Saturday against Duke, Miami's receivers caught more passes than they had in any game this season and probably had their best day as a collective group too. The reason? They're growing up and they aren't giving away their routes anymore. Last week, offensive coordinator Patrick Nix said of UM's young receivers like Travis Benjamin were lifting their shoulders and giving "tells" to defensive backs about the routes they were running. It appears Nix and receivers coach Aubrey Hill have made breakthroughs in the film room.

Laron_byrd"We realized it every Sunday when we'd come in and watch film," Byrd said. "We'd sit down and say man I'm not getting no catches, the quarterbacks are not throwing me the ball. But then, we'd sit down and focus in on ourselves we'd realize I ran this route wrong, I could have had a catch on this route. Coach Shannon would tell us y'all think your open, but your not, you need to get some separation. The defense would tell us the same things like 'you guys are good, but we're still on you. 'We were kind of sloppy on the little things. Finishing the top of the route, bursting off the route, little things like that. We still have to work on them."

> Shannon said Tuesday he likes the fact the Canes do not have a go-to receiver and a different guy every week who emerges as a lead target. But there's a reason freshman Aldarius Johnson now leads the team with 20 catches for 195 yards. He's not only physically imposing at 6-2, 205 pounds and probably the best receiver at squaring his shoulders to make the catch on the team, but Miami's offense has been tailored to his strength -- those short passes where UM receivers have to muscle their way to the ball and for yardage.

Aldarius_johnsonThe Hurricanes simply aren't throwing the ball very deep downfield. Aside from Graig Cooper's 51-yard touchdown pass to Travis Benjamin, Miami's longest completions of the season have been a 36-yard catch and run by Dedrick Epps, the 29-yard strike Kayne Farquharson hauled in late against North Carolina, the 26-yard TD pass Thearon Collier scored on against Texas A&M and the 27-yard catch and run Aldarius Johnson had late against FSU. The rest of UM's completions have been 20 yards and under.

"I know that nobody can really stick [Aldarius] unless they know he's running the go route and they're playing off," Jacory Harris said Tuesday. "Aldarius is not that fast, but on the other hand, Aldarius is the guy that is going to make that for sure catch. He just knows how to adjust the ball."

> That being said, "Glue Hands" has still been balling lately. Despite going without a catch against UCF, he's had 13 catches in his last three games. Shannon said Tuesday he's taken another step up in his development and Hill said its because he's now learned how to fight for balls -- something he excelled at in high school -- at the college level. Shannon said Johnson, who has often been compared to former Cane Andre Johnson for his physical play, size and soft hands, is probably "a tad step slower" than the former first round pick was when he was a freshman. Johnson took a page from Denver quarterback Jay Cutler (who said he has a better arm than John Elway) and said he believes he'll be faster than Andre when he's a junior.

Andre_johnsonThe good thing is, Aldarius will get plenty of encouragement from Andre to be better than him. Aldarius met Andre when he was in the seventh grade when he used to come to UM to watch him practice and the two have maintained a friendship for awhile. Aldarius said Andre will often call him on gameday to give him words of encouragement. "He calls me and tells me to have a great game," Aldarius said Tuesday. "He called me the week before against Central Florida. He just calls me his little brother, that's it."

Word of advice, feel free to go out and buy AJ's No. 4 jersey. He said while he wanted to wear No. 5 like Andre when he first got to UM, he's going to stick with No. 4.

> Wake Forest coach Jim Grobe said in his Tuesday press conference the team is likely to get its best offensive weapon back for Saturday -- kicker Sam Swank, the school's all-time leading scorer and one of the nation's top placekickers and punters. Swank has missed the last two games with a quadriceps strain. He's definitely a game-changer in the field position battle and a tremendous asset for Wake if he plays.

> I got the sense from Jason Fox Tuesday one of the biggest hurdles for sophomore left guard Orlando Franklin has been keeping down his weight. Franklin (6-7, 334) has been seen several times this season with the oxygen mask on between series. He might be able to play more when he gets in even better shape. "When he keeps his weight down he's able to fly around and really crush people," Fox said. "He's really been picking it up lately... he's actually a pretty intelligent player. It's nice when you can play next to a big physical guy, who is also intelligent."

> Even though UM ran the no-huddle effectively against Duke, don't expect for the Canes to employ it into their offense permanently, at least if you believe what Shannon said Tuesday. "Everyone would like to say let's run no huddle, run two minute. But [defenses] make changes," Shannon said. "When that happens and you don't see the changes and start to get some blitzes, coverage, you can't relay it back to the guys. They're gone, and that's what gets you in a little trouble with that."

> Shannon explained the reason Javarris James (3 carries for 13 yards) got very few carries was "because his foot was numb." Look for more JJ this week against a good Wake Forest defense.

I know there was a lot to digest in this blog, but if you have room for dessert, I've uploaded all the audio interviews I collected from Tuesday. Among the features on the menu. We got safety Ryan Hill talking about how the switch from receiver to starting safety has gone. We got safety Anthony Reddick chiming on just how cool a dude Hill is (he's got a Dodge Magnum tricked out with Canes colors inside and on his rims (black and orange). Marve and Jacory fielding those tough QB questions. Byrd, Travis Benjamin and Aldarius on turning the corner. Jason Fox on everything -- and more.

> By the way, I'm not sure if you guys saw last weeks first episode of Getting To Know The U with Jason Fox, but Herald.com reporter Mollie Rose and I will have a sitdown with Chavez Grant tomorrow to talk about his life off the field. Let me know what you thought of our first take.


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first thanks manny love the blog from canada

good reporting manny. like to hear about news coming from the opposition too. swank is indeed a game changer even though he's a special teams guy. i don't know that i'd call him more dangerous than skinner though.

also, thanks for toning down the whole "harris needs to start" thing. he had a good point about lsu last year, but the rest of the miami team has a long way to go to be at the same level as those tigers were last year on both sides of the ball (not that OSU was that good).

any news from the defensive side? they still look like they need help!!

The invention of the sports blog is great. Manny, you and Joe do a very good job covering the teams.

About the topic of this blog, tell the players to blame the head coach and not the media. He created this whole controversy. Playing two QBs the way he is doing it, is not too smart. You need to stick with one. However it is Randy's fault for making promises on the recruiting trail. This is exactly why coaches shouldnt make promises and instead should say you will compete for playing time. You look good now but again everythig is dependent on your progress in practice.
Having a QB do a few series and then switch the QBs for a few series ruins an offensive rhythm, ruins development of the true starter, can cause more penalties due to the different QB cadence and leaderships. However once you play a few better teams, you will see this.
As for the players blaming the media, blame the head coach for making promises on the recruiting trail.


Great job with the reporting. That was a lot to digest. I agree with letting these two QB's just play and work together to win. Both can bring different skills to the table too. I love their team mentality. I caught myself looking for a Johnson #4 jersey last night. And as for media and fans putting pressure on the players and coaches, I think the Ole Ball Coach said it best on a show sometime ago..."You do the fanning and I'll do the coaching." Also, who started this rumor about URBAN MEYER GOING TO THE 49ERS FOR 8MILL A YEAR??? That'd be great, but I doubt it.

Posted by: CokeCanes | October 22, 2008 at 07:01 AM

You're so right!!! Marve should have been left in and the game may have been a lot different! We put up 49 points (yeah it's Duke but they still give scholarships too...!) and yet you still say the coach should have stuck with Marve. Thank heavens you're "just a fan".



Marve and Harris eventually must start -- at UM or elsewhere...


It will be fascinating to see how UM coach Randy Shannon manages this quarterback situation over time -- a challenge reinforced this week when Jacory Harris' father said both players eventually ``need to be starters whether it's [here or elsewhere].''

Shannon said Tuesday it's ''too far ahead to think about'' whether redshirt freshman Robert Marve and Harris, a freshman, would continue splitting time throughout their careers.

''As long as we keep winning and this thing keeps rolling, I'm down for it,'' Marve said. Will this work long-term or does Shannon need to settle on one eventually?

''Honestly, I don't know,'' Marve said Tuesday. ``It seems to work right now. I'm good with it, he's good with it. I'm really not sure.''

But Harris' father, Rodney, said long-term, ``both want to be starters. Both need to be starters, whether it's at the University of Miami or somewhere else.

'In time, those kids are going to say, `I want to know I'm going to be the starter. I don't want to compete every year.' How does [Shannon] go about doing it? That's why he gets paid the big bucks. I think both kids love the University of Miami and will do everything in their power to make this work. Whether one or the other will transfer, I'm not sure.

''Jacory has never mentioned transferring,'' Rodney Harris said. ``Every year, we'll sit and look back at things. His heart is at UM and that's where he plans on being. If circumstances arise between now and the end of the year, who knows? We trust in his teammates and coaches.''

Rodney Harris said ``as a father, I would say [Harris] should start. It shouldn't be a question. I don't have anything against what [Shannon] is doing. Jacory feels he should be starting but he doesn't complain about it because he's a team player. He wants the best for the program but he wants the best for himself, too. He's done nothing but win. . . . You've got a kid [Marve] that's already been [announced] he's going to be the starter no matter what. I can imagine that's tough on a kid [Harris] that has displayed leadership qualities.''

Robert Marve said he ''would have loved'' a chance to use the no-huddle offense against Duke, as Harris did. ''I had one bonehead play,'' Marve said. ''Besides that, I thought I played great. . . . You may have to take one for the team and say it's on you and it wasn't.'' It helps that Marve and Harris never ''fight with each other,'' Robert Marve said. Marve's father, Eugene, who played 11 years in the NFL, said: ``I think coach Shannon is doing a good job managing the quarterbacks. Both are going to have to go through growing pains.''

The media is certainly trying to make a mountain out of a molehill on this QB controversy thing. It is incredibly annoying because the media continues to report on the LACK OF A STORY! The QB's haven't complained, the coaches haven't complained, the receivers haven't complained. NOBODY ON THE TEAM CARES ABOUT THE QB SITUATION!

It is like the media enjoyed the Wright/Freeman show last year, and is hoping for something like that to develop. When the players don't complain, they ask the coach. When he doesn't complain, they go looking for family members. Harris' father finally suggests that one of the 2 QB's MIGHT decide to transfer AT SOME POINT MAYBE, and it is headline news in the Herald.

Really, this is getting ridiculous, and it is getting boring. Great QB's have co-existed on many great college teams without anyone traveling. Brad Johnson had to sit behind Casey Weldon at FSU, and he never transferred. Look at the string of UM greats that stayed knowing they would probably only get to start for 1 year.

You can't blame Shannon for this either. He obviously decided that 1 spring and fall camp is not enough to decide who the next 2-3 years should go to, and he's right. He obviously decided that winning the ACC this year (which we can't anyway) is not worth stunting the development of one of these guys by playing the other permanantly. He's treating this year like 1 big training camp, and it's working. Next year he'll have to choose, when we actually have a shot at winning something meaningful. At that point, 1 of the QB's will adjust to life on the bench for 2 years, the other will probably be good enough to leave early, and the other will start his senior year. Noone is going anywhere...they both know how it is at the U when the signed on.

After watching both Jacory and Marve, I will say that both are not ready and they need to work on their strength and technique during the off season.

I don't see the point of them fighting about who should start, because on any other team they would not be playing.

Their focus should be on getting better each week, and trying to find a way to help the team win games.

If they are good QB's they will make it to the NFL. Besides, Kyle Wright started for UM, and where is he right now? My point is to focus on getting better and being ready to shine when your number is called.

These fathers see $ signs in front of them, already, and both kids are friggin Freshman...Begeezus!


I'm going to go ahead and co-sign everything CokeCanes just wrote. Agreed

242 Cane, first of all, he didn't say we should have "stuck" with Marve for the rest of the game. But it's interesting that Marve had one TD in 4 completions, but he threw one interception and he's benched the rest of the game. I'm happy that JH came in and did well, but it's odd that he throws 2 interceptions and he's left there the entire game.

All I'm saying is, great we have 2 QBs that can play. I love that. But if the coaches still don't know which one is better, why not let one QB play an entire half to see how he handles it, and let the other play the other half? Why is it that when Marve is doing great, they bench him at the beginning of the 2nd? If he doesn't do well, why is he benched the rest of the game? This doesn't build confidence, and it's probably the reason why Marve has been forcing a lot more throws lately. He appears to be regressing because he's trying to impress the coaches so that he's kept in the game.

The reason there's a QB controversy is because RS has severely fudged handling this situation. It appears to me that RS would like for JH to win out the job and Marve to be back-up, except that Marve is a little more developed so he can't do that right now. But that's just speculation. I do know one thing though, putting in a QB in the middle of the game for 2 - 3 series is stupid. It doesn't serve any purpose than to merely say "hey, he's getting PT." Like he's appeasing someone. That's garbage.

Posted by: Casual Observer | October 22, 2008 at 10:33 AM

Because its about building for the future. both of them can be playing for any other school and if they feel betrayed then they will leave, but one or two players are not above the school. U guys our thinking about this stuff week to week. Forget about this season, its a rebuilding year and i see we are building a nice foundation.

Casual.... After seeing the results of the last three games for Marve, can you honestly blame the coach for pulling him when he started? I'll rest my case on that.

Oops.... I meant, started making mistakes...


By playing one half at a time, you will be doing the same thing. It develops QB's because it allows them to get into a groove. Learn when defenses adjust, and then adjust to that. 2 - 3 series does not build QBs for the future.

242 Canes:

Like I said, it appears that Marve is regressing per game. Why is that? Taking him out of the game when he's 4 for 7 with one TD and 67 yards? Um yeah, that's pretty bad. Granted the INT was bad, but at this point, assuming I'm right, can you blame him for forcing his throws, and trying to make something out of nothing?

Mollie is SMOKIN!!!!


What's good fam! Yo, I feel we should feel blessed to have 2 very, very good QBs. Both Mr. Football in Florida! The 2 QB system wasn't supposed to work with Tebow and Leake and it did and they won a Nat'l title, so did, as Laron Byrd said, Perrilloux and Mauck. So it can and will work at least for now anyways. As they grow older then this may be a situation where one guy wants to be THE GUY, but right now, it can work. I'm excited about it as teams have to prepare for 2 different but effective skill sets.

Manny - you're on fire, dude. Thanks for all the info.

Go Canes!

The Mollie Interview was great... Manny is she single, I'm still trying to get her number... hook it up Manny..

Has anyone played QB at any level on this blog? I'd like to know what you think about the opportunity for each of these young QB's to talk to Nix during the game while the other plays. Does the time on the sideline help to give a different perspective on what the defense is doing or is that hogwash? It seems to me like Jacory has had some advantange in that sense since he starts on the sideline.

Everything will fall into to place. The thing is, if marve is forcing plays because he is scared JH might take his spot then he is not ready for collage football. Team aspect is what randy is bringing to this program. Every time someone scores the whole offensive runs to them to show em love. Its the reason he took the names off the jerseys last year. Marve is going to be a great qb wants he calms down, that's all too it. And if for some reason he doesn't we have JH, who is a proven WINNER. We have a young OL, know they might not be the best in the country but them big boys sure got some size on em. More experience and incoming OL we should have more then enough to protect either of them. Some young receivers who all caught something last week. 10 different receivers caught passes. Looks like a groove to me.

Neither of them should be thinking transfer; they should both be focusing on winning games, taking advantage of the time they are given, and competing.
The beautiful thing is, thats what they are focused on.
We (fans) and the media are focused on all the wrong things.
Winning games is the bottom line.



Marve isn't afraid of competition in my opinion. It's that he's going to be benched no matter what at a certain part of the game (2nd quarter). If I were him, I too would be trying to score 100 TD's before they pull me, because it's really the only time to shine.

As for your comment of "in the groove", JH started playing since the 2nd quarter. He threw an interception to start off the second half. Using RS's logic for what he's been doing with Marve, he should have benched JH. He didn't. And guess what? It worked in our favor. We went from 14-17, to 49-24. Would Marve have done the same thing? I don't know. But why not see how he is doing and progressing? It's like this staff refuses to give Marve much of a chance.

Hence, the feeling we get is that their in fact IS a QB controversy brewing. Let them compete in practice, put them in, and see what happens. Stop benching Marve (when he's doing good or bad) at a pre-determined time, because it's dumb.

I also want to ask a question to anyone who wants to answer. Before the INT, how do you feel Marve was looking? He had already completed 4 of his 6 for 60+ yards and a TD. Then he forced that throw and was picked, no longer to be seen again. Compare that to Harris' numbers at one point (6 for 10, 40+ yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, and 1 sack). Seemed to me that Harris was given the benefit of a doubt, while this coaching staff, and several fans on here, put Marve in the "having a bad day" category.

86..WTF is going on with your format...lol

i thought Marve looked good before the INT. I won't go as far as great, but he was good. not sure why he didn't even see one play at all after the INT, but it did work out. On that INT, he got hit pretty hard from the side. I wonder if he got hit harder than anyone else thought. Then Jac kind of got in the groove of letting the playmakers do their thing (except for that awful pick at the beginning of the 2nd half; the other pick was bounced off a dlineman's head and a product of harris not being "tall enough" in the pocket).

Cas Obs, I don't think Marve was worried about seeing the bench and never coming back. I think he was worried about carrying the whole team oh his shoulders. He just needs to understand that this team has young playmakers. Last year, he practiced with a bunch of chumps and he needs to forget about that.

"On that INT, he got hit pretty hard from the side. I wonder if he got hit harder than anyone else thought." --- AZCanesDude

I doubt it, we would have heard something by now about that. I thought once we were leading 35-24 the clock was winding down in the 4th, we would have seen Marve again out there. Since we didn't that's one of the observations that's fueling this "QB controversy"

"Cas Obs, I don't think Marve was worried about seeing the bench and never coming back. I think he was worried about carrying the whole team oh his shoulders. He just needs to understand that this team has young playmakers."--- AZCanesDude

Fair enough. I just hope this staff gives him that shot to prove he doesn't have to do that instead of just benching him whenever he throws a pic.

AZCanesDude - I played (Division 1-AA) WR in college. Now I know I can't answer your question directly, since you were specifically looking for former QBs, but seeing things on the sidelines does give you a chance to see things in a different perspective.

When you're in the game everything is live and the players on the field are adapting to each other. So you have to guess right and hope the WR and QB are on the same page on their pre and post snap reads. If not the pass will more than likely be incomplete.

Now's it's harder for the QB since he has to worry about snap count, positioning of players, line reads, and the defense amongst other things. And you gotta remember all of those have to be navigated in under 3 seconds or else it's a sack so time is of the essence.

Film study shows you what the defense has done in weeks past. The offensive game plan is predicated on what you think the defense will do so you can use it to your advantage. Now sometimes you're just physically outmatched and there's not much you can do about that. But being outschemed is worse because it means you're not making proper adjustments.

On the sideline you can get an overall look at how the defense is lined up and how they react in certain situations. If you're in the game your main focus is the play being called and the primary target(s). You can't let your mind roam aimlessly or else bad things can and will happen.

I'll give you two examples. (1) Have you ever watched a game, but instead of following the play you were paying attention to the line or WR/DB matchup or LB or whatever? If so then you had a hard time actually following the play from start to end since your focus was elsewhere (unless the play was run towards the guy(s) you were watching).

You got a chance to see what players did what and how they reacted. Good coaches will test the boundaries and exploit weaknesses on the team at a later point. That's why play action passes and reverses work because they saw something on film and confirmed it during the game.

And #2 picture yourself on a road trip. If you're in the passenger seat you're free to do whatever. Sure you can follow the road like the driver, but it's not the same. You won't drive at the same pace or make the same lane changes or passes as (s)he does. So you get a chance to observe what's going on around you without the liability of giving 100% attention to the road.

That's what the QB on sidelines has. He can hear the play call and look at the defense and see how the defense lines up. Plus he knows where the ball should go (be it 1st or 2nd or even 3rd option) if everyone does their job right. Now if the defense doesn't react like you thought they would, you can process that and see who did what without doing any damage on the field.

It's like you're test driving. And when you get your chance to play you have to trust your instincts and film study and make things happen. Sorry that was so long, but hopefully I was able to answer your question.

86..WTF is going on with your format...lol

Posted by: M.H. | October 22, 2008 at 02:25 PM

LOL OMG!!!!! That was funny.

Awesome answer SK8!! Thanks. It's exactly what I was hoping for since I've never actually played football. I always know it's a lot more complicated that the video games though. *wink

Your answer also leads me to think that the whole QB-IQ is really important as the QB gets to a higher level. Marve is clearly a gifted athlete, but is he a little slower to learn what the coaches tell him? For example, when Harris came to UM, the coaches complained that he liked to stay in the pocket too long. Well, his running game has certainly taken me by surprise and he's definitely listening to the coaches on that. And Marve continues to force the ball when coaches have asked him not to do that.

86..WTF is going on with your format...lol

Posted by: M.H. | October 22, 2008 at 02:25 PM

LOL OMG!!!!! That was funny.

Posted by: canespacenewformatsux | October 22, 2008 at 02:50 PM

I think a Chinaman, took over...

.GREEN must have something to do with it....OY!

MH, at least you used the "proper nomenclature". Dude abides.


The QB-IQ relationship matters as long as all things are created equal. However talent will uplift some players or teams to where the comparison doesn't matter. You could be dumb as rocks, but if you're faster or stronger than the competition it doesn' matter. Or if your OL dominates the line of scrimmage and your RB & WR are vastly superior to the defense all you gotta do is stay out of the way.

But if two teams are equally matched, then yeah intelligence is a determining factor. Notice I said one of and not the ultimate decider. For a QB - height, arm strength and accuracy also play a part. Not sure which is more important since you're going to need all of them at some point in order to be successful.

Don't know if Marve is a slower learner or not. It could be a matter of trusting his instincts and not just what his eyes show him. Once you develop a rapport with your WR, the QB will be able to get them the ball even when they are covered. He'll anticipate the window and make the throw and not wait until the guy actually is open. Because by that time the defense has a chance to react.

How many times have you heard you can't throw late over the middle? Either you're going to get your WR killed (think Tamarick Vanover or Roscoe Parrish) or throw an interception. Now I'm not saying you throw into coverage, but there are windows out there. You just gotta anticipate them. And only time through film study, practice and catching on air (think Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison pregame ritual) will give you that experience.

My eyes always deceive me too, especially after a few. HAHA. Oh, Marve, I feel ya!

I watched Warner throw over the middle late and now Boldin has a brand new jaw basically.

I know what you mean about the IQ factor and such, but Marve is not Michael Vick. Good athlete, yes, but not as good as him. I'm routing for him and Harris and I trust the coaching decisions. Will be fun to see what happens against WF, but I'm sure I will get tired of the "controversy" discussion on ESPNU.

86 is in canespace purgatory!

:::pinkie to mouth:::

next week, it will be in 3D....order your glasses now..


Casual we need both Qb's, With Marve two things come to mind.1 He's trying to carry the team on his back, he has play makers, let them make plays.2 His has a gun for an arm, with that he tries to force balls in tight places and in double coverage, and he needs to trust the coaches and learn to take something off his throws. I think he played well in the first quarter, he even said that it was a bonehead throw. He'll be fine, at least his the starter. Now I do feel that Nix is calling different plays for each qb. Does that mean that Nix has more confidence in Harris than Marve?

nix is calling the play that is best for situation no matter who is in.the difference is marve looks at 1 option and leaves the pocket.harris goes through his progressions and finds the open guy or tucks it in and goes.its obvious that harris is the more developed qb at this time.marve is more phisicaly developed but we are talking a qb not a hb.no doubt marve will get there but right now harris ahead.

i don't know who's ahead, per se, but it does appear that marve gets a little bit of tunnel vision. harris does go through the progressions very nicely, but that also requires the line to block longer. there are certainly advantages and disadvantages to both guys.

i'm way more concerned about the defense. they need to start faster and hold the pace. the longer those guys are on the field, the worse off the whole team is. the d-line and secondary are of utmost concern because it appears the linebackers have some semblance of what to do out there. as we've seen, though, the defense comes up to stop the run and teams throw; they drop back in coverage and teams run. ugh!

Q:Im a true Miami fan yes i jumped on the bandwagon back in 2001 but I have been year through all the rough times we are haviing but sum of you guys are wish-washy and only like the canes when they are on top but u have to be fully committed I want to know what happened to Marve being the savior of the U come on just let them play they are freshmen. freshmen make those types of mistakes No one said anything when Mavre played his butt of against Florida and Texas A&M. Remember if it wasnt for him miami would have been shut out against Florida and would five Uf even more to talk about us Jacory is good to but if Marve would have won UNC AND FSU GAMES we wouldnt even be discussing this.
Someone please repLY TO THIS STATEMENT

everyone needs to calm down about the quarterbacks we dont need more distractions when were trying to when ball games as much negative crap the canes already have to deal with the kids dont need more bulls--t from the media leave it out of the news paper they will figure it out let the kids play and win some ball games GO CANES

I attend class with Harris and it seems he is serious about transfering although putting up a good face this year for the team.
Shannon is basically forced to play him whether Marve does good or not. He has no option otherwise Harris will be gone.

I attend class with Harris and it seems he is serious about transfering although putting up a good face this year for the team.
Shannon is basically forced to play him whether Marve does good or not. He has no option otherwise Harris will be gone.

Posted by: Sarasota 'cane | October 22, 2008 at 08:57 PM

Nice try Coke/rawpimple!


Go 'canes!



Randy's fault for making promises on the recruiting trail, Cokecane.

Didn't know you were there during the recruiting process?? Did Shannon tell you this??

The reason there's a QB controversy???
Where is the controversy??? Only on this blog, that's it. All talk by people who no nothing about how to coach or have nothing to do with the U FB program.

Transfer? Has anyone told you they were going to transfer or might be thinking about it?
Again, all blog rumors!

Why post if you don't have facts!

stop running your mouth so much on every blog and show up to the games and support this team instead of creating dissention. Use your energy in a constructive way instead of making us Canes fans sound like babies. You are beginning to sound a lot like gator fans.


There was an article written a day or two ago by Barry Jackson talking about Harris' father being pissed. It isn't just on this blog. This is a real live breathing controversy.

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