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Marve suspension likely last straw

GREENTREE PRACTICE FIELD -- Now we know why Robert Marve won't be playing in the Emerald Bowl. According to his father, he was suspended for showing up late for a class. We still haven't heard Randy Shannon's version of the story because they are still practicing.

But the question now becomes as we wait for Thursday's practice to end, what happens if Marve does come back in the spring?

Coach Randy Shannon made a commitment to Marve this season, naming him the starter "no matter what." But it's quite obvious the redshirt freshman hasn't shown the type of character becoming of a starting quarterback. This is suspension No. 2 in his first real season at the helm. How can Shannon honestly look at anybody on his team now in the face -- much less Jacory Harris -- and keep Marve as the starter next season, even if he wins the battle in the spring? If that's the case, why would Marve even bother coming back. I'm sold this was Marve's last straw at Miami and despite what his father is saying, likely the end of his career as a Hurricane.

Miami will go with Jacory Harris as the starter in the Emerald Bowl Dec. 27. If Harris goes down, UM would have to go with either Cannon Smith and Taylor Cook in an emergency situation. It would blow a redshirt obviously, but at this point what else can the Canes do? I'll let you know what Randy talks about after practice. Stay tuned.

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JORTS

Why should he have character, Manny....you are a bad fan!

Shannon's rules ...

MARTINET

11th-hour push for Eugene Smith ...

PRIME TARGET

Well it said in the article he had an excuse and a teacher to back him on that. Is it really his fault?

why would that blow a redshirt if it was the only action they saw all season (cook, smith)? I thought there was a 30% rule...

its his fault for missing the 3 classes prior to that one and making this his 4th and last chance...

and right in the middle of recruiting, too.

This sucks! The kid has the world in his hands and he freaking skips class! I skipped plenty of classes at my time at the U and I got beat down for each of them. With Shannon as your coach, how in the world can you even think of skipping classes! Excuse or not!

I'm not worried about our QB situation. Harris is fine and might be better. Cook and Smith were equally good recruits coming out of high school. I just feel horrible for this kid though. Kids are so stupid.

There has to be more to this, than skipping a few classes...

So are we a basketball school now?

We have another, "PJ" Dad...

I have to agree with Conch. What happened the other three times? Why was he only justifying the fourth? And had he not figured out that the athletic dept attendance taker leaves 5 min into class by the last class of the semester? What a boneheaded move. Time to find out what Jacory's got under the hood.

We are going nowhere with Marve. Can't lead by example. He should go. (With Nix)

Oh come on how can anyone get after shannon after the coker years. Coker let players do what ever they wanted and he lost talent and his players played as if they were intitled to special treatment. Shannon is doing what all great miami coaches did punishes player's who break his rules. this is the u not florida you actually have to go to class at the u and not smoke pot or shoot off guns now that shannon is in charge. Parents will be more willing to let kids go to miami knowing shannon has disipline then if he didn't. i still think jacory would of won the job in spring anyways. this team just moved the ball better when he was given an extended amount of playing time. I don't believe the marve thing will hurt recruiting at all. Shannon shows all recruits his rules during visits id assume so they know what they are signing up for. Stop blaming shannon for players who break the rules.

Yeah and Erickson let his players do whatever they wanted and last I checked they won 2 chips!

I can't believe this.

Did any of you go to college aside from ChicagoCane? Are you telling me you never skipped a class? Three classes in a semester? That's nothing!

And, the kid has a teacher backing him that he was getting extra help.

To me, this is outrageous and I would not even consider a school where the coach had such an antiquated and stubborn set of rules.

Why do you think the team has fallen apart at the end of the last two seasons? They've got to be burned out and exhausted after tiptoeing around on eggshells for the past six months.

I really want to be behind Shannon, but you guys have got to remember that this is not a 30 year old man making a seven figure salary, this is a 19 or 20 year old kid trying to enjoy what are supposed to be the best years of his life while getting an education and learning to improve his game.

I agree that the rules should be the same for everyone and that the penalties should be enforced, but those rules and penalties must be reasonable and applied with some common sense and fairness.

I can't blame Marve for wanting to transfer and recruits for not wanting to come here. If I was a talented young football player, I can tell you I'd sure as $hit have no interest in living under this type of arrangement.

I can't believe this.

Did any of you go to college aside from ChicagoCane? Are you telling me you never skipped a class? Three classes in a semester? That's nothing!

And, the kid has a teacher backing him that he was getting extra help.

To me, this is outrageous and I would not even consider a school where the coach had such an antiquated and stubborn set of rules.

Why do you think the team has fallen apart at the end of the last two seasons? They've got to be burned out and exhausted after tiptoeing around on eggshells for the past six months.

I really want to be behind Shannon, but you guys have got to remember that this is not a 30 year old man making a seven figure salary, this is a 19 or 20 year old kid trying to enjoy what are supposed to be the best years of his life while getting an education and learning to improve his game.

I agree that the rules should be the same for everyone and that the penalties should be enforced, but those rules and penalties must be reasonable and applied with some common sense and fairness.

I can't blame Marve for wanting to transfer and recruits for not wanting to come here. If I was a talented young football player, I can tell you I'd sure as $hit have no interest in living under this type of arrangement.

And Manny, I can't believe you of all people have resorted to being a student-athlete basher.

It's not like this kid dropped a keg on someone's head like Channing Crowder.

He skipped a couple classes, cut him some slack! And he's still part of the family. Since when did it become ok to start ripping our own players apart like this!?

We should all be ashamed. I know I am.

If you didn't attend UM, then quit complaining that the suspension is unfair. I WANT my school to have high standards. The school's reputation means more to me than rings (which are nice, don't get me wrong). I'd rather have this happen now then see an ESPN headline reading, "UM accused of athlete cheating scandal" because it reflects poorly on my school as a learning institution. It's embarrassing every time a UM player gets in trouble; and you HAVE to know that anything negative that happens at the U is going to get all sorts of press. You think it's ok to run an undisciplined program if you win championships? I don't. Win at all costs? No. Win the right way. The anything goes mentality is exactly what's wrong with society. This was Marve's FOURTH offense. Will it push him out of UM? Maybe, if he can't handle the pressure of dealing with the consequences of his actions. And if he can't handle that, how do you think he will react when he throws a crucial interception and gets berated on the sideline? Some people learn from their mistakes, some don't. I saw Marve over and over make the same bad throws. He didn't learn or didn't care, which seems to be a recurring pattern. This isn't an indictment of the young man, he is a teenager and doing what teenagers do. Teenagers also need rules and structure; which Shannon is providing. As a UM alum and someone who thinks that college STUDENT-athletics at UM should be about more than just winning championships, I approve of Shannon's actions.

Timeb0mb,

As a fellow alumnus, I agree 100%. Many of the classes at UM have attendance policies, and ANY student who violates them is subject to the same discipline. I bleed orange and green, but having been at the U during the Andre Johnson fiasco, I never again want to see the student-athletes given special treatment on the academic side.

Timeb0mb and Optimus,
If you can honestly say that you NEVER MISSED ONE CLASS during your academic tenure, then I will have to accept your opinion. I too went to college and don't know a single person who can truthfully say that they never skipped a class during their academic career. That includes two Valedictorians that had just as much fun as anyone at school and still got straight A's.

There is a huge difference between missing three classes in a semester and the FSU cheating scandal last year. The two of you are showing the same lack of judgement and disression that we often curse ESPN for.

How many classes did you take that had a ZERO tolerance attendance policy?

By all accounts, Marve was maintaining a passing GPA. Perhaps he wasn't reaching his optimum potential, but no one is saying that he was violating any of the standards set forth by his teachers.

In any case, no one is saying he should get special treatment. But he IS getting special treatment. He is being punished because of the past sins of the program, such as the Andre Johnson incident you speak of, not because he is a bad kid. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be rules or consequences, just that the punishment should fit the crime. To me, missing or being late to 4 classes all semester does not justify the punishment Marve is receiving, especially given the extenuating circumstances of the 4th "absence".

More to the point, the treatment that many UM "fans" and alumnus are giving Marve is completely unjustified. He is being treated as a monster and a pariah, I've even read someone calling him a "sociopath". This is crazy. Whether the punishment was justified or not, which I will admit reasonable people can disagree about, what we have seen from the kid over the past year do not justify the bashing he is receiving. That, I do not think is something that reasonable people can dispute.

I've said it before and I'll say it again; today I am as embarassed to be a Hurricane and Miami native as I ever have been, including the Erickson debacle.

Those "fans" and alums who wish to kick Robert Marve to the curb over this should be ashamed of themselves. I'm certainly ashamed of them.

g8rh8r,

Your reading comprehension needs some work. Your diatribe is based on two false assertions: that Marve only missed 1 class, and that I believe he should be "kicked to the curb" because of it. It clearly states in the article that he missed 4 classes, which constitutes a violation of that class's (or the athletic department's) attendance policy, and nowhere did I state anything more than he should be treated the same as any other student. If I would have failed a class because of attendance, every single scholarship dollar would have been taken from me, and there would be no outcry about it on any message board that I know of.

And yes, I can tell you that during my 5 years and close to 150 credit hours at UM I never missed more classes than the attendance policy said I could, and this was absolutely the norm among the undergraduate student body.

Dear coach shannon,
i dont think its fair that i have to go to my classes on time. I also dont think its fair that i should have to compete with this jacory harris guy. I have been one year longer and weigh 25 more pounds than he does, so i should be permanent starter based on my weight alone. Class isnt that important to me, I am busy refining my interception to touchdown ratio. I think 9 tds in 11 games is alot and 13 picks isnt enough. I had 1293 yards this year coach in 11 games that ranks among the top 120 QBs in the nation, im atleast 113 out 120. i would also like to point out technically i threw 11 touchdowns this year , one to a corner and one to a defensive end. i know they werent on my team and it cost us but I do outweigh Jacory by 25 pounds.
Now that you know why i should allways be the starter and jacory should redshirt and ride the bench. IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO START ME I WILL GO HOME AND I WILL TRANSFER. so what if im suspended for my 1st bowl game, its my 2nd suspension in 1 year. I shouldnt have to go to class i had 9 tds in 11 games and i weigh 25 more pounds than jacory.

START ME OR MY MOMMY AND DADDY WILL LET ME TRANSFER SO I CAN BRING ALL MY FUTURE POTENTIAL TO ANOTHER BIG SCHOOL AND HAVE A STARTING SPOT PROMISED TO ME.

SINCERLY YOURS
ROBERT MARVE JR. 9TDS, 13 INTS ,1293 YARDS ,205 POUNDS AND 6'1 WITH TONS OF FUTURE POTENTIAL .
PS. "FUTURE POTENTIAL" THAT WOULD BE AN AWESOME TATOO FOR MY AWESOME 205 POUND FRAME.


Dear coach shannon,
i dont think its fair that i have to go to my classes on time. I also dont think its fair that i should have to compete with this jacory harris guy. I have been one year longer and weigh 25 more pounds than he does, so i should be permanent starter based on my weight alone. Class isnt that important to me, I am busy refining my interception to touchdown ratio. I think 9 tds in 11 games is alot and 13 picks isnt enough. I had 1293 yards this year coach in 11 games that ranks among the top 120 QBs in the nation, im atleast 113 out 120. i would also like to point out technically i threw 11 touchdowns this year , one to a corner and one to a defensive end. i know they werent on my team and it cost us but I do outweigh Jacory by 25 pounds.
Now that you know why i should allways be the starter and jacory should redshirt and ride the bench. IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO START ME I WILL GO HOME AND I WILL TRANSFER. so what if im suspended for my 1st bowl game, its my 2nd suspension in 1 year. I shouldnt have to go to class i had 9 tds in 11 games and i weigh 25 more pounds than jacory.

START ME OR MY MOMMY AND DADDY WILL LET ME TRANSFER SO I CAN BRING ALL MY FUTURE POTENTIAL TO ANOTHER BIG SCHOOL AND HAVE A STARTING SPOT PROMISED TO ME.

SINCERLY YOURS
ROBERT MARVE JR. 9TDS, 13 INTS ,1293 YARDS ,205 POUNDS AND 6'1 WITH TONS OF FUTURE POTENTIAL .
PS. "FUTURE POTENTIAL" THAT WOULD BE AN AWESOME TATOO FOR MY AWESOME 205 POUND FRAME.

Optimus, you are the one with the reading comprehension issue then.

Nowhere has anyone said that Marve violated any classes attendance policy. It appears clear to me that Marve missed 4 classes over the course of his entire schedule, not 4 class sessions in one individual course.

You are acting as if this is an academic issue although it has been clearly reported that Marve is not in any way academically ineligible. That was the point of my "diatribe", as you say. He is not being treated like any other student. He is being held to a much higher standard, as I will agree he should be.

But, towards your point, again, he did not violate any attendance policy other than Randy Shannon's, which I maintain is a bit rigid. That said, others seem to have managed to deal with it. My point is simply that missing 4 out of what, 9 weeks times, what 40 classes per week? So, just guesstimating here, he missed or was late to 4 out of 360 classes? Again, I understand the need for standards, but that just seems a bit harsh.

Again, it's not that he missed 4 class sessions in one course, indeed most of the classes I took had a similar policy that if you missed too many, you failed. Even then, however, the professors always allowed for extenuating circumstances. The point here is that he missed three class sessions over his entire course load for an entire semester and was late to the fourth because he was either held late by a professor or stayed late after class seeking extra help.

This certainly seems to me like Shannon could have used a little bit of judgement in this situation.

Then again, neither of us knows all the facts.

All I know is, I don't know many people that I went to school with, I was an athlete too BTW, that didn't miss at least three or four class sessions a semester over our entire course load.

I just don't think that what he has done warrants the bashing he is taking, especially given the fact that he maintained a passing GPA.

Contrary to what Shannons seems to be trying to teach, 90% of life is NOT "just showing up".

canethang, I am amazed at your eloquence and reason. Thank you for illustrating the essence of what it means to be a Miami Hurricane.

I think I'm going to go root for Notre Dame now.

OK, no not really. But I really am almost that embarrassed right now.

This is a sad, sad day.

I DIDNT WRITE THAT , ROBERT MARVE JR DID .
HE WEIGHS 25 MORE POUNDS THAN JACORY.

I went to The U but Randy's teams suck,if you want to be the next Stanford great. Last year and this year both teams quit on him,Coker looks good compared to these teams.This is not about going to class,it's about a bad team and bad coaching,I hope I'm wrong but I see nothing but bad football,bad coaching and a 7-6 team,a disgrace for Miami.
One more year for Randy and get rid of Donna S too.

Manny...why would you assume Marve will leave?
If, for instance Matt Cassle had left USC just cause he couldn't beat out 2 guys, both who became starters in the NFL, where would he be NOW?
Learning from the best had to have rubbed off, even though he didn't start a down.
Obviously it worked, as the Pats can attest.
With injuries always lurking, Marve would plenty of occasions to showcase. He can always transfer next season anyway.

Jacory has only been around 1 yr and has learned the rules and what to do and what not to do. Marve 2 yrs and has learned how to get in trouble twice. Kid is a great talent and is growiwng like the rest of this young team. But he really needs to get focused. This is his future.

but marve weighs 25 more pounds than harris. marve should start. dont you morons understand football. marve has tons of "future potential".

I agree with IMAwriter. Canethang you crack me up, son. Too funny.

Where would he go? Who would take him? He would have to sit out another year (his second year sitting). Dumb. Dumb mistake.

This kid's judgement is faulty. Stop making excuses for him. If Randy made rules and he broke them, that's that, period.

Marve should take this like a man, revamp, work hard and compete for the job next year. If he is the number two, so be it. His number Will be called eventually and he will have to be ready.

The bigger question, is what to do with Cannon and Smith?

Forget about recruiting Eugene Smith. We need O-line, dbs and a big rb. We need to get to the speed defenses of the past.

RAndy- Make Jacorry the solid starter after thebowl. That is unless he blows it then you will have toopen up the competition, which would be fair to all the qbs.

Nix- shut the -- up. We don't care what you have to say.

Something isn't right about the Marves' explanation for Robert's suspension. Since when do people for the athletic department go around to classes checking up on attendence of football players? Are all players checked on, or only Marve? And, if only Marve, why? There must be a reason. How many football players' attendence can possibly be checked by having someone come to the beginning of a class? This can't be right.

I know it for a fact that the attendence of UM sudent-athletes in classes is ordinarily NOT checked this way. If, in fact, this incident happened the way Marve's Dad explained it, then it must be because the department was alerted by one of Marve's teachers about a particularly egregious problem - and that he was on the verge of failing the course, at least in part due to poor attendence.

Let's face it. The kid is young. He's immature. But these are not qualities UM looks for in a starting quarterback.

When you are the QB at ANY school on the planet, YOU are the LEADER, YOU have to set EXAMPLES for your teammates to follow. Some idiot posted, he's only 19 or 20 and should enjoy his college years, what are you 12? That's NOT how it works, especially when YOU'RE in the drivers seat. He's been given a scholarship, and that means you give it up on the field, and in the classroom. He's a MAN now, and has to be treated as such. He should suck it up, and apologize to his teachers, his coaches, and his teammates. End of story.

What you all fail to realize is that the U is full of thugs, basketball all the way to football. This kid was trouble from the get go and even refused taking a picture with my little cousin at the Super Regionals because of how drunk he was. I say get rid of him, because hes going to be the next Kyle Wright, typical white kid thinking hes a god, and let Jacory go to work. Oh and for the record, I highly doubt he just skipped a class, he probably slapped a girl or something and they're keeping it under wraps.

Perhaps the reason for his missing class was that Marve took off in the TARDIS with Rose and Doctor Who to battle the Daleks (undoubtably an Urban Meyer creation).

You never know.

I agree with Colacane- this boy (and he is a boy by the way he has been acting) is not a leader. Note I used the word boy in a non-racist way, so all you PC people just chill.

He is immature and that IS NOT what any team needs in a qb. He needs to lead by example, on and off the field and he has been given the chance and failed miserably by doing stupid cra-p that has hurt the team ( by missing a whole year and missing the start of the year), and the misdemeanor encounter with the police, which shows lack of judgement. That is disruptive, distracting, and a poor example to younger players.

This boy needsto mature and put his team ahead of his whims. He isn't that good anyway. I can see, if he was a stud like Graham Harrell, Sam Bradford, Tebone, Chase Daniel, etc and he was putting up numbers, I would almost look away (and I suspect the school would too). But he is not. I don't care if he was mr football. He can be Mr Universe for all I care. he hasnt done crape here at the U. Did he beat UF? Did he beat FSU? HAs he beaten GT? What is his record as a starter? Remember this year's motto:


..........NO EXCUSES..............

ATTENTION ALL MARVE NUT SWINGERS, IVE NEVER SEEN EXCUSES WIN ANY GAMES. I HAVE NEVER SEEN A WINNER MAKE EXCUSES. MARVE SAYS HE WAS ONLY 15 MINUTES LATE TO A 45 MINUTE CLASS. RANDY, THE TEACHER, AND THE UNIVERSITY SAY HE WAS ABSENT. NOW HE IS SUSPENDED FOR THE 2ND TIME THIS SEASON.
THIS MARVE GUY HAS HAD ALL THE CHANCES ANYONE COULD ASK FOR. HIS LIFE ISNT THAT HARD , PLAY FOOTBALL GO TO CLASS. THATS ALL HE HAS TO WORRY ABOUT. WE HAVE 18 AND 19 YEAROLDS FIGHTING IN THE MOUNTAINS OF AFGHANISTAN AGAINST TERRORISTS IN THE FREEZING TEMPS FOR A GI SCHOLARSHIP. KIDS IN AFRICA BORN WITH AIDS AND WAR AND FAMINE WITH NO SHOT AT UNIVERSITY STYLE EDUCATION.
AND WE HAVE ROBERT MARVE JR. SON OF AN NFL PLAYER. HE LIVES IN CORAL GABLES AND PLAYS FOOTBALL AND HAS FREE EDUCATION.

You have got to be kidding me! This coaching staff is terrible. Look at Randy Shannon's record(12-12) vs Coker's(60-150). Robert Marve has had to put up with switching in and out of a game all season long. Everbody knows that a QB has to get in a rhythm, and you can't do that when you have a two idiots like Shannon and Nix at the helm pulling him in and out of the game. Give the Kid a break, if he improves from this year the Canes might actually be pretty good next year. We need to quit worring about the QB, and get rid of these damn coaches.

HE NEEDS TO GET IN RYTHME
HE NEEDS BETTER OC
HE NEEDS BETTER HC
HE NEEDS BETTER O-LINE
HE NEEDS 4 LESS CLASSES PER SEMESTER
HE NEEDS TO BE SECURE AS THE STARTER
HE NEEDS 15 EXTRA MINUTES
HE NEEDS LESS DISCIPLINE
HE NEEDS MORE FAN SUPPORT
HE NEEDS JACORY TO REDSHIRT
HE NEEDS A NEW CAR
HE NEEDS A NEW TATTOO
HE NEEDS BETTER WRs
HE NEEDS THE WHOLE GAME TO WARM UP
HE NEEDS BETTER RBs
HE NEEDS A MORE UNDERSTANDING COACH
HE NEEDS SOMEONE TO DEVELOP HIS FUTURE POTENTIAL.

IS THAT IT , ARE THERE ANY OTHER EXCUSES WHY MARVE GETS SUSPENDED 2 GAMES IN HIS FIRST YEAR AS A STARTER.AND HAS A 6-5 RECORD AND HAD ONE OF THE WORST STATISTICAL SEASONS EVER AT UM. ALSO LOST TO BOTH STATE RIVALS. HE MADE ONE READ AND WOULD SCRAMBLE,(HES SO FAST- 2.0 YARDS PER CARRY)HIS ARMS SO STRONG(NOBODY CAN CATCH IT).

ITS TIME TO RALLY AROUND OUR NEW QB(JACORY HARRIS).

HOW MANY PICKS DOES HARRIS HAVE?(6) HE'S NO BETTER THAN MARVE. NUMBERS DON'T LIE. I'M TELLING YOU IT'S COACHING!TAKE YOUR BLINDERS OFF.

MARVE 9 TDS 13 PICKS 1300 YARDS IN 80 DRIVES
HARRIS 10 TDS 6 PICKS 1000 YARDS IN 40 DRIVES
MARVE 2 GAMES SUSPENDED
HARRIS 0 GAMES SUSPENDED

HALF THE DRIVES OF MARVE, AND MUCH BETTER PRODUCTION. AND JACORY NEVER HAD A START TO GET IN (RYTHME)THE WHOLE GAME, THOSE STATS WERE FRESH OFF THE BENCH.
MORE IMPORTANT YOUR QB SHOULDNT EVER MISS A GAME BECAUSE HES SUSPENDED..

HUGE DIFFERENCE
MARVE WILL TRANSFER IF HES NOT ASSURED THE STARTING SPOT.
HARRIS SAT THE BENCH AND WAITED FOR HIS # TO BE CALLED.

Harris has showed poise by waiting his turn, but the problem is the coaching staff. Whoever the starter may be its not fair to either one of them to be put in that position. Both are equally gifted, but with the current coaching staff they both look like they are struggling. I went to the U vs GT game this year and it was pothetic for both QBS. All I'm saying is that with the talent level we have we could have gone alot further than we did. There are alot of first year coaches that are kicken ass(Paul Johnson, Houston Nutt etc..SHANNON AND NIX GOTTA GO!!!

GACANE

LETS SEE HOW THE TEAM PLAYS WITH JACORY RUNNIN THE SHOW VERSUS CAL..
A.HE COULD STRUGGLE
B.HE COULD PLAY AVERAGE
C.HE COULD TORCH CALs SECONDARY AND WIN OVER ALL HIS DOUBTERS.

I PERSONALLY THINK C. WILL BE THE ANSWER.
I THINK NIX AND SHANNON WILL LOOK LIKE GOOD COACHES WHEN THEY HAVE A GUY WHO WILL LEAD LONG SCORING DRIVES FROM START TO FINISH.
OUR TEAM WILL LOOK TOTALLY DIFFERENT JUST WITH THIS ONE PLAYER.

I WILL BE BETTING ON THE CANES THRU BODOG,
SO IM GONNA PUT MY MONEY WHERE MY MOUTH IS.
IF IM WRONG I WILL SIGN ON FOR THE ABUSE.

I hope they do win I'm a canes fan. It doesn't matter who the Damn QB is. I think you will see what I'm saying when that same old lame duck offensive scheme comes out on the field. Shannon and his sidekick Nix will be gone after next year because they both SUCK! I'll talk to you after the bowl game. Remember Scared money can't win!

LEADERSHIP, LEADERSHIP, LEADERSHIP.


Ga cane: Don't you think, that if even if Marve had been sharing time with MArve, if, (BIG IF) h had killed UCF, Killed Duke, and donewell against Va, and Jacoory NOT had to bring them back in both games (and) if MArve had done better against UF, Don't you thing we wouldn't be having this conversation?

That is, if Marve hadn't missed 4 classes, and had'nt gotten himself in trouble with the law and hadn't been suspended or his first game!

xcuses, xcuses, xcuses.

Marve looked mediocre against UF-L
teerible against Duke-W (thanks to jacorry)
Looked terible against UCF-W
Looked horrible against Va-W (thanks to jacorry)
Did ok against VT-W
Horrible agaisinst NCstate-L
Horrible against GT-L
mediocre against FSU-L
against CS-DNP-W (thanks to jacory)
Mediocre against NC-L

Common denominator in the wins? Thansk, jacorry

I meant even if Marve had been sharing time with Jacorry, he still didnt do as well.

I don't care about the mans private life. I think that Harris is to fragile. People tend to forget that this year Miami had no "O" line, and Marve made something out of nothing on a lot of plays. Harris is good but he's not a Ken Dorsey. Maybe Marve isn't either, but I think he's got the most potential. Some of the problems both QBs had were with the young receivers not finishing routes.

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