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Marve's high school coach: 'He's frustrated'

ORLANDO -- Robert Marve had a sideline pass waiting for him at the Citrus Bowl Saturday. He never picked it up. But somewhere, the University of Miami's starting quarterback was watching his former high school team capture its second state championship in three years.

Robert_marve_4Saturday, after the Citrus Bowl cleared out I caught up with his former high school coach Robert Weiner, who has kept in close contact with Marve since he left Plant. Weiner said he speaks with Marve every day and said his former star quarterback spent two hours with him Friday breaking down film before Plant went out and beat Tallahassee Lincoln 34-14 a day later. While most of Friday's conversation was about the upcoming title game, Weiner said Marve expressed to his coach what's been troubling him lately at Miami.

"Robert's a competitor for sure and like anybody else he wants the job," Weiner said. "And that's part of [what's bothering him], but that's not the only part of it. It's just a matter of him trying to get the most out of his experience so he can help his team. And he's not always sure that's happening."

With rumors rampant about Marve possibly seeking a transfer, I asked Weiner if Marve had discussed Robert_marverobert_weinerleaving UM with him. "I do know he's frustrated, and that the situation he's in now, he's frustrated with," Weiner said. "You have to see what all your options are and things like that. Robert would be torn if [transferring] was really the situation because Robert is such a team guy. He's developed quite a bond with his teammates in Miami, so that would be a difficult situation for him for sure. But at the same time, just like all of us in any of our jobs, in anything we do, we have to evaluate our situation and then determine what's best for our situation."

Weiner said he, as well as Marve's family and friends, have been frustrated -- possibly more than Marve -- about how his suspensions and his playing time has been handled. When asked about Marve's relationship with UM coaches, this is what Weiner said: "The guy who recruited him, Joe Pannunzio, has a tremendous relationship with him. And continues to have a great relationship with [him]. And I know he works with Patrick Nix, who he works with day in and day out. I'm not sure of his relationship with Randy Shannon. The relationship with head coaches can be different in different places. Sometimes, they can be a player's coach and have good relationships with their kids and some head coaches don't have relationships with their kids at all. I'm not sure what Randy is. But I know Randy's relationship with Robert is not a buddy-buddy relationship."

Weiner said Plant has had a lot of recruiters stop by in the last three weeks. Although he didn't say any specifically inquired about Marve, he said he's sure "if [transferring] was something Robert wanted to pursue, he'd have some opportunities."

> As far as potential destinations, Weiner said Marve returning home to play at USF would likely "not be a possibility" because UM plays USF four out of the next five seasons. He also said Alabama, a place Marve was once committed to, no longer shares the relationship it had with Plant.

Orson_charles> As for another Plant-UM connection, tight end Orson Charles talked a little about his recruiting situation Saturday. "Basically, everybody is up there for me," Charles said. "I'm going to pray about it and talk to the people I care about it most with. [What happened with Robert] doesn't really affect me. It just keeps me guessing. I'm just going to talk to Marve and see what's going on. But everybody is still in it. We're going to go see from there."

Charles said he spoke to Marve Friday before the game, but didn't talk at all about college. Charles put up MVP-type numbers in Plant's 34-14 win, catching 6 passes for 132 yards and two touchdowns. He also made three tackles and recorded a sack.

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If Marve were a serious team player, he would show up for class. How difficult is that?

I have no sympathy for him.

By the way, did he fail his English class?

- CAT5 Cane

7AND5ISSOSO-

How many games would Miami have lost had Marve taken all the snaps?

marve will leave and i don't blame him he will never get developed under shannon and nix. these 2 are clowns. if shannon really had love for the u he would quit be a recruiter cause that is all he is good at. how many more 4 and 5 star recruits are gonna get the excuse is that they were a bust. they are busts because nobody is showing them how to improve, i guarantee if another school had arthur brown he would be playing and dominating. but thanks to shannon he is a bust and his brother wouldn't come to miami if he was smart.

marve will leave and i don't blame him he will never get developed under shannon and nix. these 2 are clowns. if shannon really had love for the u he would quit be a recruiter cause that is all he is good at. how many more 4 and 5 star recruits are gonna get the excuse is that they were a bust. they are busts because nobody is showing them how to improve, i guarantee if another school had arthur brown he would be playing and dominating. but thanks to shannon he is a bust and his brother wouldn't come to miami if he was smart.

lol 7AND5SOSO, like the name, at least its an improvement from 5AND7SUXX, maybe next year itll 10AND3WEREGETTINGTHERE

vlady: Loosen up your belt. Calm down.

I am sure Randy Shannon made him play that awfully against UCF right? I am sure it was Nix that threw that HORRENDOUS int against GaTech when we were down only 3-0 right? Who won the Duke game for us on a comeback? Who won the Virginia game on a comeback? Pleeeasse! STOP WITH THE EXCUSES PEOPLE!

OK SO HE IS JUST A KID. BUT HE IS IN A BIG TIME D-1 COLLEGE FOOTBALL PROGRAM. IF HE HAD GONE TOALABAMA, LSU OR UF, THE EXPECTATIONS WOULD HAVE BEEN THE SAME OR HIGHER, AND HAD HE PLAYED THERE LIKE HE HAS PLAYED HERE HE WOULD HAVE LOST HIS JOB ALSO!

Not to mention that he is competing with a true freshman, and instead of coming in, asserting himself when he played, NOT have been suspended for the first game, NOT have had attendance and academic troubles, NOT have had that misdemeanor incident, he would be the de-facto leader and starting qb of this team, and then maybe we'd be talking about Jacorry transferring.

What is it with these kids (and some people in general) wanting INSTANT gratification without the hard work? What did the coaches at UM "guarantee" thathe would be the starter forever? Don't think so.

Marve is showing that he is still very immature. He makes immature decisions on the field and off. He is no leader. we need a team leader, which is what qbs are. Everything flows from the qb.

Coach weiner from Plant: You are a weener. It is partly your fault that this kid is still this immature and such a cry-baby. You probably let him get away with crape over and over because he was "Mr football" and led Plant to the title. Well, you harmed him more. See now what the results were. Now it's waaaa waaa waaa waaaa. I'm frustrated, waaa waaa waaaa. Guess what, I'm frustrated that my 401k lost 40% of its value the last 3 months!

If this kid wants to transfer, let him. He'll be known as a quitter and will go sit somewhere and ride the pine elsewhere while the U returns to national prominence.
He is acting like a boy. Not a man. If he turns around and accepts the competition, and whatever role he gets on the team, he proved me wrong and proved that he is becoming a cane. And a leader. Which one will it be Robert?

ROBERT MARVE = CHRIS RIX...

Marve needs to man up and stop acting like a little kid. He's not going to find a program that's just going to let him walk in and be the starting QB unless he goes to FIU or FAU. He needs to stay and work hard and earn the job. Nothing in life is given to you Robert. If he wants to leave then let him go, we want people that are hungry and compete. That's how this team was built before. With players that wanted to compete, thats why we were 3 deep in every position. One guy got hurt, the next guy jumped in and we didnt miss a beat. We all knew this was coming and for the future of this program I think it's best that Jacory stays so we can keep the Northwestern pipeline open. Now all we need is to get those 3 recruits from Sanford (Debose, Armstrong, Dyon).

dont know you make the call?!?!

It is what it is right now Shannon is in a bind but he needed to make Jacory happy and I am sorry to say Marve is not helping his cause i.e. getting arrested, not going to class, throwing INT'S that are boneheaded.

Posted by: A Realisst | December 20, 2008 at 06:51 PM

HELLO_____________RS is not playing JH to make him happy. 1st, he beat marves records, 2nd, he did have better #s, 3rd, Marve started 11 games, HE COULD HAVE TAKEN THE JOB & NEVER RELINQUISHED IT, but he had more int's than TDS, --------WHICH, is even more worse, JH should have had worse #s, he comes in late, and has to prove something to keep getting PT, so, you would think he would force more things. SO, that shows JH did a great job as he could have had the 9tds and 13 ints, but he had the better #s. GUYS, ROBERT<<<,,your a Freshman who started 11 gamaes. 1111111111111111111111 11 games, what is th deal? go out and beat out JH or at least continue to get PT. Look at Mitch Mustain, PERFECT EXAMPLe--5 star stud who started 9 games at Ark in 06 I believe, his parents didnt like the situation, he transferred, and of course there is competition at the other schools, and now hes 3rd team. wherever he goes, unless d 1-a, he is sitting out and competing against other 3-4 star players. Kirby freeman went to baylor to start his SR yr when he transferred from the U, guess what, he got beat out . Robert, win the job---chris leak shared time with other qbs, this transfer talk is ridiculous, YOU STARTED 11 GAMES--

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3med-8reH8&feature=related

HOW ABOUT ARTHUR BROWN? THE #1 LB in NATION, top rated 5 star stud, HE ONLY PLAYED SPECIAL TEAMS> Is he complaining ?? good job arthur, your going to be a beast. Jessie Armstead was the 5 star #1 olb in nation in 89, he only played sp teams in 89, got the ACL in 1990, and was an allstar in 91 -92, and played in NFL, but, the real canes shut their mouths, bust but, and dont complain, Play your a__ off and you will see the field. Guys, theres competition at every major school, watch out for Arthur next yr, he is going to be a beast, but you know what, he manned up and admitted he needed to learn the system. Great job to take it like a man =-==I have posted this b4 but what about the 3 5 star qbs sitting behine Tim"circumciser"tebow, do they ever see the field? Why isnt brantly or cam newton and others transferring--?? they R waiting their time out. RM already has the PT, win the job Robert............

3) Played the first half of the first game at Baylor. Had abysmal stats and was benched for a true freshman who finished out the season. Boy were Baylor fans surprised when this senior Miami QB wasn't good enough to start at *Baylor*

Posted by: ATXcane | December 21, 2008 at 01:11 AM

I didnt see your post --freeman was a perfect example. WHAT ABOUT 4 STAR STUD MARK GUILLON WHO WE SIGNED IN 02 or 03, HE transferred, what happened to him?????/ How about Derek Shaw or Pat Devlin, who coker was recruiting? They havent sniffed the field anywhere yet, and devlin is a backup at Penn state, he would have been Miamis starter and marve and jh would be a backup. Had GUILLON stayed, he would have had a shot. 95% of the time, the transfer never works> Never. Our own Dave Wanstedt was the only moron that it helped. The great evaluator he is, he let Joe Flacco transfer, but flacco never sniffed the field, and he went to delaware and now is a 1st round pick. But Marve is starting, so why is he complaining? No matter what u all say, we had no backup with experience and even though I hated seeing RM come out of the games sometimes, randy is right. we needed experience if marve got hurt or suspended. He did the right thing. Spurried used to do it with Grossman and Berlin, but Brock transferred as grossman kept the job. If Jacory wins the job, he is just better. plain and simple. RObert, go win the job in the spring. Maybe Taylor Cook is pretty good and does robert feel the heat? SOMETHINGS A BREWING>>>>>>

Played the first half of the first game at Baylor. Had abysmal stats and was benched for a true freshman who finished out the season. Boy were Baylor fans surprised when this senior Miami QB wasn't good enough to start at *Baylor*

Posted by: ATXcane | December 21, 2008 at 01:11 AM

U U FANS-
Is what happened to freeman not being able to start at baylor as a Sr the perfect example of the coker era what Randy inherited, Our Qb who played here 4 yrs couldnt start at BAYLOR-in his home state---------WHY DO U THINK WE WENT FROM BEING USC TO THE MIAMI WE BECAME--thats the coker regime for u right their, HORRIBLE-
Has any other qb that was gatorade player of the yr(WRIGHT)ever been worse? I blame coker, that lil old man ruined a dynasty. No QB recruit for yrs, no playmakers, no RBS, no DBS, NO OLINE, NO DEPTH---WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO US????? IT JUST STEEMROLLED DOWN

Dom- you are right. Pat Devlin, though , is transferring out of Penn State.

Recall how highly recruited he was, and he actually "committed" to the canes, only to de-commit when Coker was fired. So there Devlin, great decision! quitters like youalways end up losing out on the opportunity! He may-no probably would have played for UM given the two clowns we had.

Stop bashing Randy people that say he promised JH playing time to get the other NW players to come or promised his parents. The kid was MR Football in FL, just like Marve, and had marve not gotten arrested in the grove, probably would have started the final 3-4 games last yr when it spiraled out of hand. You can see the blueprint being built. it took butch 5 yrs what its taken randy 2. We didnt win until 2000, probation was in 95-96, but we did make it back to the top. Randy has the talent being added. when the depth goes 3-4 deep like OU and UF, by 2010, the canes will be back to prominence. This team was like the 99 team, with dorsey a freshman, are youngsters were on the roster, but were getting PT, our depth was being built, and experience was being gained. LETS LET NATURE TAKE ITS COURSE< and the U will be back on top, Young Robert, again, U started 11 games as a Freshman and could have pulled a sam bradford, a tebow, a colt mccoy, and won the job by having a yr where EVERYONE SAYS, that kid is the qb of the future, well, it didnt happen. So go back and work hard, & u will play. Its that simple.

Dom- you are right. Pat Devlin, though , is transferring out of Penn State.

Recall how highly recruited he was, and he actually "committed" to the canes, only to de-commit when Coker was fired. So there Devlin, great decision! quitters like youalways end up losing out on the opportunity! He may-no probably would have played for UM given the two clowns we had.

Posted by: jaime | December 21, 2008 at 11:36 AM

Jaime I didnt even know he was transferring. What happened to Derek shaw, didnt he go to ariz st, didnt work out ,and transfer also/ It shows they need to stick it out, work hard, and your chance will come. Jacory could win the job and get hurt, or robert can win the job, this transfer talk for someone who started 11 games is just crazy. we werent winning anything this yr, so we needed people to get experience. But I mentioned earlier, we do have tayloor cook who on ESPN only was highly rated, but tom luginbill loved the kid, so maybe marve is feeling his heat also. Maybe this kid comes out in the spring and blows both away. Jaime, well said on your posts.

Kyle wright was the gatorade player of the year. How do you pass that up? I mean the only thing is you need to evaluate the talent and not get caught up in the statistics game, especially if the comp. is not taht good. Buthe did play inCali, so.... He just didn't pan out!

Kirby Freeman was an option qb out of hs, and was actually very highly touted also. One of the top 5 in the nation. But couldn't play in a pro-style offenses to save his life. Goes to BAylor where they play the spread. BUST! Another overrated, under-analyzed recruit!

Brock Berlin was the #1 QB out of high school and was a stud in his stae of Lousiana. He was actually better than Grossman, but Grossman eventually beat him out. I think he was ok. Not as bad as who followed him. Berlin is actually in an NFL troster at this time! He played with heart like a true cane, and was undefeated against the noles and g-turds!

We need a semi- notorious qb with the physical ability who wasn't hyped, aka Tony Romo or Joe Flacco. Check outthe kid from Fresno State- Brandstater.

WHY CAN'T WE GET QBS LIKE THAT? OUR RECEIVERS WOULD SALIVATE. OK WE HAVE ONE- JACORRY. OK JH, TIME TO STEP UP, STOP THE TALK, WALK THE WALK.

I'm not a Robert or Jacory supporter, I'm a UM supporter. When RS stated that Robert would start every game AND Jacory would play every game, I didn't know what to think at first. I'm used to one guy winning the job, and the team moving on. As the season nears its end, its become easier for me to conclude that Robert didn't distance himself from Jacory in the spring/fall, hence the 1a and 1b approach.

Neither of them is ready to win the heisman just yet, so its not clear whether either of them will ultimately become a good/great college QB. Given the recent trend in college footbal towards winning with offense, I think the QB position will make or break RS's tenure here. For those of you who don't know, Bob Stoops is a defensive guy, who's going to relay on his offensive staff to win him a championship this year. Assuming the UM coaching staff keeps their end of the bargain in terms of development, X&Os, etc., whomever emerges "at this defining moment" between Robert and Jacory will help us trace back our success/failure 4-5 yrs from now.

Let's face it, Butch got lucky before the '00 season when Kenny Kelly decided to quit football and focus on baseball full time. Its easy to say in hindsight that KD would have beaten him out, but Kenny Kelly was the more gifted of the two physically and had been the starter the previous year. Perhaps history will repeat itself and I'm not just talking about the QBs...I'm hoping the team success follows as well.

Getting back to my initial point...having gone through this year's experience, I now have no problem with a coach allowing two QBs to play there way into the #1 spot if one hasn't done so in the spring/fall camp. If Robert does in fact decide to transfer, he will have made RS's job easier just as Kenny Kelly did for Butch. Funny thing is...I don't ever hear anyone screaming about Butch letting Kenny Kelly get away.

We always used to get players like that--There was a list a few yrs back that Jimmy J recruting classes and Butch daviss were NEVER among the top 10, but they NEW how to find the hidden gems, like warren sapp, russel maryland, torretta came cause his bro was a backup here,--But I think our recent non developed all stars had alot to do with COker and his staff not developing and getting worse every yr. every 1 of his big time signees were busts, Wright, R Moore, Reggie Youngblood was a 5 star #1 overall O lineman, Shields, T moss, we did get some good ones, but the staff changes every yr I think hurt the development of these kids. THe class that brought in like 8 1st round nfl picks in 99 I think was not rated in the top 10, so what does that tell U about rankings? Honestly, like Arthur Brown, some of the comp is weak in other states so they are more pumped and the look like man among boys, hence why spence is playing and arthur is sitting, why harris is starting at DB and others in the system 3 yrs arent playing. Randy will find the gems in the rough that jimmy and Butch found, , Dorsey wasnt highly recruited, hes still in the NFL. I think the rankings matter for the top 15 or so kids, U know, the game changers like a percy harvin, but after that, players ranked like 30-150, are probably so so close in talent that its a crap shoot. But, when you recruit top 10 classes every yr, like based on espn ,we were #9 in 07 and #1 in 08, (currently #10 w/o are late signeed on espn), than U should be in the mix every yr. But, its stable coaching also. Look at Wake, look at VA TECH, beamer never has a top 10 class, or 1 every 10 yrs, yet they win and have stability. Give Randy 2 more recruiting classes, and we will be back
GUYS, other than the Georgia Tech Game, we were winning or within 7 in every game in the 4th gtr inc the gators only down 9-3 in the 4th. Well. thats a huge turnaround, think about that, we had a chance to win in 11 of 12 games with freshman . In 2 yrs, those close games become wins.

MH- YOU STOLE MY LINE
I SAID MARVE = CHRIS RIX.

we have 2 get our Mojo back. Take USC. they go what 5 deep with 4 and 5 star kids, look at rivals, I dont think they even have a 3 star player on their list. They know the comp is fierce, and some might not see the field for 3 or 4 yrs, but Carrol still signs them, I hope Randy , as good as he is recruting , can do it. UF is loaded 4 deep, so the top high school florida players that want tradition should have the U 1st, I mean, UF has 5 deep at WR, RB, QB, OL, DB, LB, so, U look at Um, and they are playing true fresh, so I am hoping randy can land these seminole high kids, I watched the game on fox last night, and 2 0f their big 3 won the game on a 40 yd bomb, and the other dye, got a crucial 1st down on 0 catching, and sacked the NW qb to end game. THATS GAME CHANGERS-----------RANDY, my XMAS PRESENT is for U to Land, those 3, and 2 top O lineman, and I will be super happy. But we R on our Way BACK.

Don't know why Marve is coming out with all this frustrated talk. He started a bunch of games and then he wants to transfer? Transferring usually are for those QB's that don't get a chance to start or get playing time.

I don't buy all this BS about being frustrated and what not. Marve sees the writing on the wall. His number don't stack up with the newer kid with limited time. He thinks he should have been in the games every minute and he fantasizes that he would have done better. Reality check.

He will eventually loose his job (maybe already did) and he is smart enough to try to find greener pastures for a new start. He may have been helped along with whispers in his ear about transferring. LSU and Florida are being bandied around as destinations but I don't know if he gets his wish. His best chance is to stay and back up Jacory.

Having said that, next year is going to be exciting. Jacory, Cannon, and Cook. I think Cannon is more capable than given credit for -- articles have said he did well as the scout group QB.

Stay around Marve. You are not NFL Material (yet anyway), and at #2, you are a sprain away from being the starter. Remember now our Jacory is a hulking 180 lbs...lol

Randy is di@k, he let Marve practice all spring/summer than tells the kid a couple days before the 1st game that he is suspended. Now he tells Marve that he cannot play in his 1st bowlgame. I wouldn't blame Marve if he does decide to look at other schools. Randy you are a DI%k...........

Hey Manny (or anyone out there)- How did UM allow Gartrelle Johnson to go to Colorado State? That dude is a stud, even though he is not thatfast. I read he set the Dade Cty rushing mark in '03 for Springs. How or why did UM (and other florida schools) pass on him? If it was in '03, we had Gore, Tyrone Moss, and Charlie Jones are they the reasons?

-one was superb, but left early, one was a semi-bust due to injuries, one was a super bust!

I cant believe this kid ended at Colorado State! Yesterday he ran for almost 300yds!

Or--- is it because wac and mwc teams have basically zero D?

From Canesport:

EXCLUSIVE: OL has plans to ink with Canes!

The kid is wearing a Hargrave Shirt, anyone knows if this is Massia (or Campbell)? Either way, this is good news!

MAssie, not Massia. My bad.

With just 1 QB to worry about...Nix and Jacory will do fine....

I'm more worried about our Defense.


P.S.-Beat Clemson...

Caniac --

Jermaine Johnson. He was a 5-star recruit in 2008 who signed with Auburn.

that would be a catch...anyone know when signing day is?...1st week of Feb.?

Orson Charles is the man.....Imagine him with our new receivers and Streeter......and if our running back commits, stay....we're in..Even with a mediocre OL..

Example of a true "NO-EXCUSES" cane:

Willis McGAhee.

Did you all watch him bust that 77 yarder? Willie still brings tears to my eyes!


Ed Reed 2 ints.

IS there any doubt that UM had the best cfb teams in history 2000-2003?

One common denominator then (which incidentally was only 5-8 years ago):

LACK OF EXCUSES! ALWAYS COMPETING. NO WHINING.

Willie sat behind Portis, Jackson, Davenport and Gore. Then his op came. Even now, he is playing injured, bad ankle and all, and has accepted his number 2 role. NO excuses. No whining.

That game last night was sick! Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, and Willis McGahee represented well!! Michael Irvin was there, as well as Warren Sapp. Sapp and Ray Lewis chest bumped before the game, classic!!

Go 'canes!

Thanks ATX, sounds like a great pickup. Hopefully we will round this class out strong!

Good news about Jermaine Johnson. Welcome aboard son. Now hit the training regimen that Swasey assigns you in January when you arrive, study the playbook hard, and prepare to become a true Cane.

Anybody interested in the changing landscape of offensive schemes in football should check this article by ESPN out:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?section=magazine&id=3779821

Looking forward to your next update Manny.

What happens if Jacory goes out and flops big time against Cal??? What or rather where does this team go from there??? Canon Smith or Taylor Cook?? I think that Shannon Made a mistake playing both QBs. If Marve had been the Starter and was allowed to be the clear 1, he would have gotten better throughout the season. Instead we have 2 QB's who haven't played a complete game all season. I think this upcoming season will be Shannon's last cos he is incompetent

Robert Marve= Chris Rix

and


Randy Shannon = Ron Zook


Congrats!

I must be nuts ... to think that any "real" Canes fans haven't seen the light - as it relates to RS, PN, JH, RM and the future of this storied program.

1) First, RS stated at the beginning of the season "RM has won the starting job and that JH will play a part of every game because we have no depth at this position."

So, as we look forward to the Emerald Bowl ... seems like RS has made a "pretty" good move. That's coaching, "Real Canes Fans" ... that's looking a couple moves ahead ... that's big time strategic thought that has already paid big time dividends!

Gee, where would we be with an untested JH going into the Emerald Bowl?

I must be nuts!

2) Second, with JH only getting 1/3rd of the snaps ... JH had more TD's and half, yes half, as many INT's and JH almost matches RM in passing YD's.

So, to project, if JH had played 100% of the snaps this season his numbers would project to 35 TD's - 18 INT's - 3000+ YD's and 129.5 eff. rating

With 100% of the snaps RM's numbers project to 12 TD's - 17 INT's - 1950 passing YD's and 107.2 eff. rating.

I must be nuts!

Adding to these stats ... I just don't remember RM starting any last minute drives from behind the 5 yd line and driving 95 yd's or more to win games. JH did it. If my memory serves me well, JH accomplished this feat at least twice.

Let's see ... RS promised JH playing time if he brought his NW Bull studs to the U?

I must be nuts!

The way I see it ... RS gave RM every chance to take this position and JH just out shined and out played RM at every turn. Including rushing stats +2.7 ave. for JH and +2.0 for RM.

You look at their projected stats and JH projects out to a "classic U QB" - 35 td's, 3000+ yd's, 16 int's and a 129.5 eff. rating.

While RM at 12 td's, 17 int's, 1950 passing yd's and 107.2 eff. rating, just doesn't measure up. I don't think RM matches up to the Kyle Wrights of this program.

Let's see ... RS promised JH playing time if he brought his NW Bull studs to the U?

Altogether now ... I must be nuts!

Now, with regard to the coaching abilities of RS and PN ... RS has shown he has a plan to build this team back to greatness and he has the courage to stick with his plan. The "play JH in every game" decision has shown his strategic forward thinking, his courage and his word to his players and coaches. This is coaching - and gee wizz he's right.

Oh, and not to mention his first recruiting class.

You know - the one where ... RS promised JH playing time if he brought his NW Bull studs to the U.

Altogether now ... I must be nuts!

The interesting thing is - that his next class is going to have as big an impact as his 1st class will.

Now, Mr. PN. He can frustrate the hell out of me too. But, go back and look at the projected stats for JH.

If JH gets 100% of the snaps and you combine those stats with our primary running backs, which averaged over 4.5 yd's/carry this season, then PN doesn't look so bad. In fact, with JH's projected stats - those running stats are going to be better and much more effective.

I must be nuts! ... to think that any "real" Canes fans haven't seen the light.

Well, actually what you've seen is a microcosm of the future ... JH will win the starting job next season ... because RS promised JH playing time if he brought his NW Bull studs to the U.

Altogether now ... I must be nuts!

NO! because he will earn it - the coaches will project his stats, look back his "classic come from behind drives", his calm under pressure, his leadership and they will recognize that he is a winner.

Look, JH should have taken over the starting job half way through the season - if not before. And if he had the Canes, at worse, would have only 3 losses. I think only 2 losses would have been possible.

If he had started, who knows 2 maybe 1 loss.

But, RS was true to his word. Because that's what coaches do. RM kept his starting job and now the coaches know who RM is as a QB a student, team member and a person. They also know who JH is as well.

As a canes fan for over 50 years and a season ticket holder for the last 30 years I've seen the best and the worst this program has had to offer and I see a great future ... It's just around the corner.

"Real Canes Fans" - sit back relax and prepare for great ride over the next 10 years and more.

I must be nuts is out!


I must be nuts ... to think that any "real" Canes fans haven't seen the light - as it relates to RS, PN, JH, RM and the future of this storied program.

1) First, RS stated at the beginning of the season "RM has won the starting job and that JH will play a part of every game because we have no depth at this position."

So, as we look forward to the Emerald Bowl ... seems like RS has made a "pretty" good move. That's coaching, "Real Canes Fans" ... that's looking a couple moves ahead ... that's big time strategic thought that has already paid big time dividends!

Gee, where would we be with an untested JH going into the Emerald Bowl?

I must be nuts!

2) Second, with JH only getting 1/3rd of the snaps ... JH had more TD's and half, yes half, as many INT's and JH almost matches RM in passing YD's.

So, to project, if JH had played 100% of the snaps this season his numbers would project to 35 TD's - 18 INT's - 3000+ YD's and 129.5 eff. rating

With 100% of the snaps RM's numbers project to 12 TD's - 17 INT's - 1950 passing YD's and 107.2 eff. rating.

I must be nuts!

Adding to these stats ... I just don't remember RM starting any last minute drives from behind the 5 yd line and driving 95 yd's or more to win games. JH did it. If my memory serves me well, JH accomplished this feat at least twice.

Let's see ... RS promised JH playing time if he brought his NW Bull studs to the U?

I must be nuts!

The way I see it ... RS gave RM every chance to take this position and JH just out shined and out played RM at every turn. Including rushing stats +2.7 ave. for JH and +2.0 for RM.

You look at their projected stats and JH projects out to a "classic U QB" - 35 td's, 3000+ yd's, 16 int's and a 129.5 eff. rating.

While RM at 12 td's, 17 int's, 1950 passing yd's and 107.2 eff. rating, just doesn't measure up. I don't think RM matches up to the Kyle Wrights of this program.

Let's see ... RS promised JH playing time if he brought his NW Bull studs to the U?

Altogether now ... I must be nuts!

Now, with regard to the coaching abilities of RS and PN ... RS has shown he has a plan to build this team back to greatness and he has the courage to stick with his plan. The "play JH in every game" decision has shown his strategic forward thinking, his courage and his word to his players and coaches. This is coaching - and gee wizz he's right.

Oh, and not to mention his first recruiting class.

You know - the one where ... RS promised JH playing time if he brought his NW Bull studs to the U.

Altogether now ... I must be nuts!

The interesting thing is - that his next class is going to have as big an impact as his 1st class will.

Now, Mr. PN. He can frustrate the hell out of me too. But, go back and look at the projected stats for JH.

If JH gets 100% of the snaps and you combine those stats with our primary running backs, which averaged over 4.5 yd's/carry this season, then PN doesn't look so bad. In fact, with JH's projected stats - those running stats are going to be better and much more effective.

I must be nuts! ... to think that any "real" Canes fans haven't seen the light.

Well, actually what you've seen is a microcosm of the future ... JH will win the starting job next season ... because RS promised JH playing time if he brought his NW Bull studs to the U.

Altogether now ... I must be nuts!

NO! because he will earn it - the coaches will project his stats, look back his "classic come from behind drives", his calm under pressure, his leadership and they will recognize that he is a winner.

Look, JH should have taken over the starting job half way through the season - if not before. And if he had the Canes, at worse, would have only 3 losses. I think only 2 losses would have been possible.

If he had started, who knows 2 maybe 1 loss.

But, RS was true to his word. Because that's what coaches do. RM kept his starting job and now the coaches know who RM is as a QB a student, team member and a person. They also know who JH is as well.

As a canes fan for over 50 years and a season ticket holder for the last 30 years I've seen the best and the worst this program has had to offer and I see a great future ... It's just around the corner.

"Real Canes Fans" - sit back relax and prepare for great ride over the next 10 years and more.

I must be nuts is out!


I must be nuts ... to think that any "real" Canes fans haven't seen the light - as it relates to RS, PN, JH, RM and the future of this storied program.

1) First, RS stated at the beginning of the season "RM has won the starting job and that JH will play a part of every game because we have no depth at this position."

So, as we look forward to the Emerald Bowl ... seems like RS has made a "pretty" good move. That's coaching, "Real Canes Fans" ... that's looking a couple moves ahead ... that's big time strategic thought that has already paid big time dividends!

Gee, where would we be with an untested JH going into the Emerald Bowl?

I must be nuts!

2) Second, with JH only getting 1/3rd of the snaps ... JH had more TD's and half, yes half, as many INT's and JH almost matches RM in passing YD's.

So, to project, if JH had played 100% of the snaps this season his numbers would project to 35 TD's - 18 INT's - 3000+ YD's and 129.5 eff. rating

With 100% of the snaps RM's numbers project to 12 TD's - 17 INT's - 1950 passing YD's and 107.2 eff. rating.

I must be nuts!

Adding to these stats ... I just don't remember RM starting any last minute drives from behind the 5 yd line and driving 95 yd's or more to win games. JH did it. If my memory serves me well, JH accomplished this feat at least twice.

Let's see ... RS promised JH playing time if he brought his NW Bull studs to the U?

I must be nuts!

The way I see it ... RS gave RM every chance to take this position and JH just out shined and out played RM at every turn. Including rushing stats +2.7 ave. for JH and +2.0 for RM.

You look at their projected stats and JH projects out to a "classic U QB" - 35 td's, 3000+ yd's, 16 int's and a 129.5 eff. rating.

While RM at 12 td's, 17 int's, 1950 passing yd's and 107.2 eff. rating, just doesn't measure up. I don't think RM matches up to the Kyle Wrights of this program.

Let's see ... RS promised JH playing time if he brought his NW Bull studs to the U?

Altogether now ... I must be nuts!

Now, with regard to the coaching abilities of RS and PN ... RS has shown he has a plan to build this team back to greatness and he has the courage to stick with his plan. The "play JH in every game" decision has shown his strategic forward thinking, his courage and his word to his players and coaches. This is coaching - and gee wizz he's right.

Oh, and not to mention his first recruiting class.

You know - the one where ... RS promised JH playing time if he brought his NW Bull studs to the U.

Altogether now ... I must be nuts!

The interesting thing is - that his next class is going to have as big an impact as his 1st class will.

Now, Mr. PN. He can frustrate the hell out of me too. But, go back and look at the projected stats for JH.

If JH gets 100% of the snaps and you combine those stats with our primary running backs, which averaged over 4.5 yd's/carry this season, then PN doesn't look so bad. In fact, with JH's projected stats - those running stats are going to be better and much more effective.

I must be nuts! ... to think that any "real" Canes fans haven't seen the light.

Well, actually what you've seen is a microcosm of the future ... JH will win the starting job next season ... because RS promised JH playing time if he brought his NW Bull studs to the U.

Altogether now ... I must be nuts!

NO! because he will earn it - the coaches will project his stats, look back his "classic come from behind drives", his calm under pressure, his leadership and they will recognize that he is a winner.

Look, JH should have taken over the starting job half way through the season - if not before. And if he had the Canes, at worse, would have only 3 losses. I think only 2 losses would have been possible.

If he had started, who knows 2 maybe 1 loss.

But, RS was true to his word. Because that's what coaches do. RM kept his starting job and now the coaches know who RM is as a QB a student, team member and a person. They also know who JH is as well.

As a canes fan for over 50 years and a season ticket holder for the last 30 years I've seen the best and the worst this program has had to offer and I see a great future ... It's just around the corner.

"Real Canes Fans" - sit back relax and prepare for great ride over the next 10 years and more.

I must be nuts is out!


I must be nuts ... to think that any "real" Canes fans haven't seen the light - as it relates to RS, PN, JH, RM and the future of this storied program.

1) First, RS stated at the beginning of the season "RM has won the starting job and that JH will play a part of every game because we have no depth at this position."

So, as we look forward to the Emerald Bowl ... seems like RS has made a "pretty" good move. That's coaching, "Real Canes Fans" ... that's looking a couple moves ahead ... that's big time strategic thought that has already paid big time dividends!

Gee, where would we be with an untested JH going into the Emerald Bowl?

I must be nuts!

2) Second, with JH only getting 1/3rd of the snaps ... JH had more TD's and half, yes half, as many INT's and JH almost matches RM in passing YD's.

So, to project, if JH had played 100% of the snaps this season his numbers would project to 35 TD's - 18 INT's - 3000+ YD's and 129.5 eff. rating

With 100% of the snaps RM's numbers project to 12 TD's - 17 INT's - 1950 passing YD's and 107.2 eff. rating.

I must be nuts!

Adding to these stats ... I just don't remember RM starting any last minute drives from behind the 5 yd line and driving 95 yd's or more to win games. JH did it. If my memory serves me well, JH accomplished this feat at least twice.

Let's see ... RS promised JH playing time if he brought his NW Bull studs to the U?

I must be nuts!

The way I see it ... RS gave RM every chance to take this position and JH just out shined and out played RM at every turn. Including rushing stats +2.7 ave. for JH and +2.0 for RM.

You look at their projected stats and JH projects out to a "classic U QB" - 35 td's, 3000+ yd's, 16 int's and a 129.5 eff. rating.

While RM at 12 td's, 17 int's, 1950 passing yd's and 107.2 eff. rating, just doesn't measure up. I don't think RM matches up to the Kyle Wrights of this program.

Let's see ... RS promised JH playing time if he brought his NW Bull studs to the U?

Altogether now ... I must be nuts!

Now, with regard to the coaching abilities of RS and PN ... RS has shown he has a plan to build this team back to greatness and he has the courage to stick with his plan. The "play JH in every game" decision has shown his strategic forward thinking, his courage and his word to his players and coaches. This is coaching - and gee wizz he's right.

Oh, and not to mention his first recruiting class.

You know - the one where ... RS promised JH playing time if he brought his NW Bull studs to the U.

Altogether now ... I must be nuts!

The interesting thing is - that his next class is going to have as big an impact as his 1st class will.

Now, Mr. PN. He can frustrate the hell out of me too. But, go back and look at the projected stats for JH.

If JH gets 100% of the snaps and you combine those stats with our primary running backs, which averaged over 4.5 yd's/carry this season, then PN doesn't look so bad. In fact, with JH's projected stats - those running stats are going to be better and much more effective.

I must be nuts! ... to think that any "real" Canes fans haven't seen the light.

Well, actually what you've seen is a microcosm of the future ... JH will win the starting job next season ... because RS promised JH playing time if he brought his NW Bull studs to the U.

Altogether now ... I must be nuts!

NO! because he will earn it - the coaches will project his stats, look back his "classic come from behind drives", his calm under pressure, his leadership and they will recognize that he is a winner.

Look, JH should have taken over the starting job half way through the season - if not before. And if he had the Canes, at worse, would have only 3 losses. I think only 2 losses would have been possible.

If he had started, who knows 2 maybe 1 loss.

But, RS was true to his word. Because that's what coaches do. RM kept his starting job and now the coaches know who RM is as a QB a student, team member and a person. They also know who JH is as well.

As a canes fan for over 50 years and a season ticket holder for the last 30 years I've seen the best and the worst this program has had to offer and I see a great future ... It's just around the corner.

"Real Canes Fans" - sit back relax and prepare for great ride over the next 10 years and more.

I must be nuts is out!


Jacory Harris didn't clearly win the starting job over Marve, I think it's still up in the air. Marve had plenty of good moments this season and did a lot that he could build on.

Did Marve make a few off the field mistakes - yes, but I don't think it's enough to make Jacory Harris the starter.

What really concerns me about this whole situation is how poorly Randy Shannon has managed it. He has aliented Marve from the team to the point where he is considering transferring to another school. Shouldn't Shannon he encouraging him to stay to participate in a QB competition? It disconcerting that concerned that Marve feels marginalized by the coach and maybe even the team.

I like Marve and I think he should stay, I'd like to hear the same from Randy Shannon.

Dude you only have to hit the "Post" button once...

maybe randy thinks marve is a punk and could care less if some punk loser quiter trouble maker isnt happy. all you marve lovers need to wake up and smell the coffee , he just doesnt care about anything but himself.

WE COULD BE TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR YEARS. THE PROBLEM HERE IS NIX. THE BIGGER PROBLEM IS THAT RANDY IS BLIND.

Maybe Randy Shannon could transfer and Marve could stay. I bet that would improve the team like the Dolphins this year.

Come on guys, nothing is perfect when you are 20-years old... I personally don't beleive Marve is being treated fairly. Shannon is the boss, but he should have let Marve know he wouldn't start the first game prior to camp beginning. To find out a week before the first game is weak. If Shannon wants the trust/respect of his players, he needs to give them trust/respect. Every effective coach is an effective communcator; in the end that may turn out to be Shannon's downfall.

If you guys want to hate on Marve then go ahead. No matter how much you want him gone, it is obvious that Shannon is not handling this situation well. This looks real bad when it comes to recruiting because Shannon is not trying to help Marve. Why would Marve not practice up until the bowl game? Somebody please give me a logical reason because I can't find one. There is no way the tight end from Plant will be coming here due to they way this is being handled. And all those players from Seminole were saying how they want to go to a school where they will feel like it's family. That has always been the staple for UM but with Marve's coach saying how him and Randy don't have a good realtionship shows that maybe we are not as tight as I thought.

Man ppl on here act as if Robert Marve won the starting position of qb for the whole year rs clearly said he was running a two qb system but he was giving rm the most of the pt rm played good two games this yr at texas a&m and at north carolina even though we lost he played good did anybody talk bout jacory then now because of the mistakes rm did we shouldn't give jh a shot wow i mean we need to see what he can do we got him for a reason lets see how he plays its not like rm put up solid numbers if he would throw 19 to 25 td rm would be the man simple as that if you want the job prove it ppl say ohh rm was taken out but man what about jh did he get taken out and when he did play they called mediocre play calling all the real hurricane or college football fans should know you can't go from 5-7 to 11-1 in one year with no talent can anybody tell me 10 seniors or juniors that contributed as much as the freshman and sophmore it takes time to get back to the old U butch davis didn't do it in a year when the team was a wreck so why do you think rs can do it i know hurricanes expect greatness and 7-5 is not miami but this is us rite now we are rebuilding and evaluating if arthur brown didn't know the system he has to learn it and not make him look like a chicken with his head cut off if rm didn't win the job let the next man try and see what he can do and the suspension we don't know what is going on but what we do know is that rm was warned about him missing classes prior to this he should have took responsibility and set up a meeting so with that beeing said ppl we have to give rs another yr or two if we regress to 5-7 than yea coaching needs to be evaulated but if we go 9-3 we are back so calm it down why are we calling for his job when rs walked in a situation where he saw from the inside on what he had to do everybody said coker was a nice guy and easy rs dosen't play the radio rs is trying to build that nasty defense we once had great leadership and the will to win all you can say is that mentality becomes a cancer and it will infect the rest of the kids i just hope rs can bring us back and if not another coach as long as he can do the jim tressel instead of larry coker

Good Job Randy. Nice guys don't win football games!!

Howard,Jimmy Johnson, and 2 faced Butch Davis had that intimidation factor about them.My way
or the highway !! Good for Marve !!

But Larry Joker was a "players coach", and therefore "WRECKED" the CANE MOBILE by turning a NEW MECEDEZ into a junky old Toyota !!He
destroyed the team and program !!

Marve would like to transfer. Can someone say, "kirby freeman"?

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