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Marve granted release (confirmed)

It doesn't come as much of a surprise anymore, but quarterback Robert Marve has been granted his release and will leave the program. UM sports information staff has just sent a release confirming  the report by Canesport earlier this morning. Marve started 11 games for UM and was suspended for two others.

A little more than a week ago, Marve voiced his frustrations through his high school Robert_marvecoach Robert Weiner about his strained relationship with coach Randy Shannon and his displeasure with sharing the quarterback duties. Jacory Harris started in place of Marve at the Emerald Bowl. And it appears the writing was on the wall for Marve. Early Tuesday morning, UM coach Randy Shannon spoke with WQAM's Joe Rose and told him regardless if Marve returned, Harris would go into the spring as the starter.

"If Robert chooses to leave the University of Miami, we got Jacory, we got Taylor Cook, we got Cannon Smith, so we’ll be fine," Shannon said. "We’ve got enough talent on this team, we’ve got an experienced quarterback with Jacory, if Robert leaves, Jacory will be our guy, he’ll lead the way, because he has a lot of game experience...

"Jacory did everything to be our guy right now. Robert has to accept that hey, I have to be a person that is willing to do what we are doing at the University of Miami and I think he will if he wants that opportunity to do it, but if not and he wants to transfer, I will grant him his transfer."

Stay tuned to hear Marve's part of the story soon.

> Among other things Randy discussed during his interview, his idea about where he would like to go with the offense moving forward. Monday, Patrick Nix was fired and told The Miami Herald he and Shannon had philosophical differences -- he wanted to open it up more and Shannon wanted to play more of a traditional style.

"If you look at our team, we’ve got tailbacks, we’ve got fullbacks, we’ve got tight ends, we’ve got Jacory_harrisreceivers, now we have all those things in place. I just want a team where we can score some points," Shannon told Rose. "If you watch SC [Southern Cal], it’s a pro-style offense, they use multiple sets, do a lot of great things. Do they have a fullback? Yes. Do they have receivers? Yes. Do they have tight ends? Yes. Do they have three or four tailbacks? Yes."

"You want to be able to have a pro-style offense that can score points. I can’t sit up there and say that we’re gonna line up in 2-back and play smash-mouth; we can line up in one back, we can line up in 2-backs, and do a lot of great things. We should be able to throw the ball out of every personnel group that we’re doing. You want more of a pro-style offense that can score a lot of points.

Jimmy_graham> Not that many of you probably care to talk hoops at a time like this. But I just got back from Frank Haith's press conference. The news of the day is a bruised right wrist will likely keep Jimmy Graham out until ACC play. Graham slipped getting out of the shower two weeks ago and banged his wrist against the toilet. "We've got to give him some time, let that thing heal," Haith said. "He's tried to play with it and we've got to let it heal, because we need him down the stretch."

The injury should open up more playing time for redshirt freshman Julian Gamble, who has been playing well. He had 10 points and three rebounds in 12 minutes at St. John's. "With or without Jimmy's injury, he's earned more playing time," Haith said.

> I'll have an interview with Julian up for you later.

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I am shocked. I thought he would stick it out. I guess he was not ready for the U.

anyone have access to itu? what do the stories about nix or marve say?

-e

Randy forgot to mention that USC has offensive linemen...three deep.

It would be ironic if Randy hired Shula as OC after Marve leaves. Of course Shula's firing is why Marve came to Miami after committing to "Bama.

I'm sure his suspension due to time management was the last straw considering Shannon has no clue of time management either.

He thought he was jus going to be giving a job ala Brock Berlin huh. NOWAY buddy you've got to earn it here and if Harris doesn't produce it will be the same way. RANDY GO GET EUGENE SMITH from Miramar redshirt him, and let him learn.

the shula coincidence would be pretty funny...

This program is in shambles. Miami is not any better off than it was 3 years ago under Coker. If you believe we are, I have a 5-7 & 7-6 record, 1 low tier bowl loss, plenty of fired coaches, a starting QB transfering to prove it. Big deal, we have a top recruiting class. If we cannot produce results what good is it.

At some point, the blame has to circle back to the top, namely Randy Shannon. So far no results and no improvement from 3 years ago. I am not impressed.

Smith is long gone, we need AJ McCarron to commit at QB.

I was hoping Marve stay because he does have talent, but like Shannon says we do have talent at the position. Hopefully we get a OC we the same philosophical beliefs as the head coach. Bounce back and Lets go Canes!!!!!!!

ditto jjr, i think next year we will take the first step of many in the right direction. in the hunt in 3 years for the national championship; i can live with a 5 year turnaround if it is longterm!

Hey Matt - you nailed it on the money.

Manny, first time poster, have any of the coaches at the U commented on our lack of interior lineman and the need to recruit some serious OL talent? Why has Miami never paid much attention to the OL?

Listen closely to RS interview on WQAM.

This is a confident man who knows what he is doing. Marve, was given every opportunity to shine and grab the ring. He just knew Jacory was going to eat his lunch and dinner eventually and had to act out. He hooks up with another school, wait a year and then just maybe he gets a crack at QB -- whispers in his ear destroyed him.

Nix, good luck.

http://www.wqam.com/index.php?page=347

This program was left in shambles talent-wise by poor recruiting in the final years of the Coker regime. The best example is the dwindling number of juniors and seniors drafted each year by the NFL. This year there may be none...all players chosen in Coker's 2004 and 2005 classes.

As for the production, look how it dipped after the national championship year in 2001:

Year PF PA Margin of Victory
2001 43 10 33
2002 41 19 22
2003 28 15 13
2004 32 17 15
2005 27 15 12
2006 20 15 5

In 2007 Shannon had very few freshmen playing, but in 2008 came the influx of talent.

2007 21 26 (5)
2008 27 24 3

We should thank the female president for this one. She hired a locker room lawyer as the head football coach. Great assistants would have been able to mask Coker's inability to coach. Shannon is not a good coach. That said, he will succeed into turning the U into a Grambling satelite campus

"in the hunt in 3 years for the national championship"

Not if your coach keeps whining about other teams running up the score on him.

Matt -- The Dolphins where beyond shambles last year and look at them this year.

The U will be fine. Just like the we thought we'd be winning forever, we won't be average forever either. I know the last 3 years (7-6 , 5-7 and 7-6) have been rough but we're getting back to where we need to be.

The difference between now and 3 years ago is that there is at least some talent to speak of. Coker did a good job coaching what he had left after Butch left, but did a bad job bringing talent in.

It amazes me how people have such short memories, this team is in the place it was in becuase of Coker. He left with absolutly ZERO players. Our Jr and Sr classes reflect it.

I hope that Shannon can bring in a good OC and everyone gets on the same page. I agree with what Shannon said about the pro style. All you need to rememeber is the 3rd and 1 at GT when we couldn't line up and pick up 1 yard. Nix was a back pick from day one.

As for Marve, he looked and played liek Brock Berlin....and at teh end of the day, he career is playing out just like his as well. He looked great coming off the bus, big arm, could run, but I just don't think he has the mental game for it.

MattInNY and the rest of frustrated fans. Lets be patient if no progress is made next year then we start complaining. Coker had a bunch of all-pro NFL talent on his squad, give Randy time. Even Coker last year with the U he had 3 first-rounders, and I believe two were defensive players. This was a team of freshmen and they competed for the most part. You couldn't possibly expect this cane team to win instantly.

Disagree with Matt completely. For a team with playmakers who were 95% true freshman, I see forward motion. Nix had to go--Every week was a new offense. It was beyond frustrating. We need a OC with a consistent and proven scheme to take the next step.

Roberrt,
Thanks for playing your butt off for the U this year. This Miami fan wishes you well in your future

REALITY CHECK for anyone who claims this program is in the same place as we were with Coker.

Can you imagine any Coker team after the 1st Quarter of the Emerald Bowl? Down 14-0, getting gashed by the run game, no production on offense. Can you imagine a Coker team standing tall and battling back?

NO WAY!!!

A Coker team would have folded and it would have been another blowout ala LSU, probably complete with a fight against the opponent in the tunnel.

Anyone who claims Coach Shannon has this team on a similar trajectory is BLIND!!! This team and these players have a totally different attitude.

Sure, Shannon has A LOT to learn about in-game coaching, but he has not peaked. He is always learning. (Just think how much better you are at your own job now when compared to just 2 years experience.)

I agree with shannon we need to score lots of points, BUT WE NEED BETTER OL PLAY.

I agree with shannon we need to score lots of points, BUT WE NEED BETTER OL PLAY.

Hey Marve, good riddance, punk. The going got tough and you got going...out of town. You can now continiue your little rich kid excuse making life on someone else's time.

Matt-what's up man? Hardball is just around the corner. Don't be surprised if this team starts a little slow but finishes strong. Back to back big time recruiting classes-by mid-season they'll all have experience. I can't wait for the trip to gainesville in about a month.

As for football, I agree that the program is in disarray, but I'm not blaming Randy nearly as much as the administration. Consider this:

2002 they give Coker an extension when this guy would not have left UM if they cut his pay in half.
2005 team is #3 after 10 games but finishes poorly. They can Sol and Kehoe instead of making wholesale changes-largely due to the extension.
2006 is a disaster so Coker goes-They hire an inexperienced HC with 2 novices at coordinator.
2007 they realize 1/2 of their mistake and can Walton.
2008 they realize the other 1/2 and can Nix.

Bad decision after bad decision. I know Dee was sick, but he should have stepped down because in my opinion, the Athletic Department has made a mess of things. Randy's stuck trying to clean the mess-maybe he's not "The Guy," but at least give him a fair chance. This is an important hire-I hope they get it right.

Marve gone is better than Marve staying and creating distraction. One more scholarship available, make it count. Marve may be good in the right offensive schemes, I was not impressed. Prone to make mistakes, force, not poised, did not check off, tended to look at one receiver. I did not see much up side. Way better than kyle and kirby though.

MANNY - You need to ask Haith about Hurdle's ankle, it is clearly not 100% I saw him at the St. Johns game and he clearly looked in pain on more than one occasion during the game. It could be the reason why Rios was let back on the team.

WHEN THE GOING GETS TOUGH, THE TOUGH GETS GOING. LET'S BE HONEST, FOR THE MOST PART JACORY OUT PLAYED ROBERT MARVE THIS YEAR ANYWAY, BUT BECAUSE COACH SHANNON IS A MAN OF HIS WORD, HE KEPT ROBERT MARVE AS THE STARTER. TO BE HONEST ROBERT MARVE IS BLESSED HE WASN'T KICKED OFF THE TEAM FOR THE FIRST OFFENSE HE WAS SUSPENDED FOR. ONE OF THE OFFENSES WERE FOR ELUDING THE POLICE WHICH IS BY THE WAY A FELONY, BUT WAS SOME HOW MIRACULOUSLY DISMISSED. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN SHOT AT AND SHOT BY THE POLICE FOR ELUDING THE POLICE. EVEN THOUGH ROBERT MARVE HAD COMMITTED A MISDEMEANOR AT THE TIME. WHILE I THINK BECAUSE OF THE CONTROVERSY IT IS BEST THAT HE LEAVES THE UM. I HOPE THAT THE NEXT SCHOOL HE ATTENDS UTILIZE THE NECESSARY DISCIPLINE TO ENSURE THAT HE DOESN'T THINK THAT HE IS SOME HOW ABOVE THE LAW. THOSE WHO HAVE ENCOURAGED HIM TO LEAVE. REMEMBER WHEN YOU CREATE A CREATURE, A MONSTER YOU NOW HAVE ON YOUR HANDS. I'M GLAD THE UM RESPECTFULLY GRANTED HIM HIS RELEASE, BECAUSE ONE BAD APPLE CAN SPOIL THE WHOLE BUNCH. NO MR. MARVE I'M NOT CALLING YOU BAD, JUST YOUR JUDGEMENT. I PERSONALLY WISH YOU WELL. PROVERBS 3: 5 - 6 VERSE

I have to agree with Matt. There is not a lot to feel positive about right now. Being a Cane and hometown guy, I really want to see Randy succeed here, but there's not a lot of evidence at this point that it is going to happen. I'll give him one more year, but we better be in the ACC title game next year or Randy needs to be gone.

Look, I think both Jacory and Marve are talented young QB's that show a ton of promise, but where are all the Jacory buttlickers now that were hating on Marve? Where was this supposed poise, the "it" factor, the calm that Jacory was supposed to have? Where was it in the fourth quarter on Saturday? Randy is an idiot if he thinks he can just throw away talented kids like that. That said, I don't know Marve and wasn't in the meeting room with those guys for the last two years, so I'll have to give Randy the benefit of the doubt on that one for now as well, I guess.

But when he says that he wants our offense to be "pro-style", what planet is he on? Look, I agree to some extent. You want to run an offense that prepares the kids for the NFL, at every position. But, has Randy actually seen an NFL game recently? He talks about fullbacks and tight ends, but many NFL teams don't even use a fullback anymore. Get a clue Randy, the game has EVOLVED. Pro style doesn't just mean two wide with a TE and a FB anymore. You haven't happened to watch the Colts or Pats lately, have you? Or how about the Dolphins even? Lining up in shotgun on 3rd and one is idiotic and so is running so much out of the shotgun formation like we did this year. But kids these days want to come in and play in a high scoring, creative offense. They want to put up numbers. I think Nix could have done that for you, if you would have let him. That said, bring in Rob Chud and all will be forgiven.

WHEN THE GOING GETS TOUGH, THE TOUGH GETS GOING. LET'S BE HONEST, FOR THE MOST PART JACORY OUT PLAYED ROBERT MARVE THIS YEAR ANYWAY, BUT BECAUSE COACH SHANNON IS A MAN OF HIS WORD, HE KEPT ROBERT MARVE AS THE STARTER. TO BE HONEST ROBERT MARVE IS BLESSED HE WASN'T KICKED OFF THE TEAM FOR THE FIRST OFFENSE HE WAS SUSPENDED FOR. ONE OF THE OFFENSES WERE FOR ELUDING THE POLICE WHICH IS BY THE WAY A FELONY, BUT WAS SOME HOW MIRACULOUSLY DISMISSED. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN SHOT AT AND SHOT BY THE POLICE FOR ELUDING THE POLICE. EVEN THOUGH ROBERT MARVE HAD COMMITTED A MISDEMEANOR AT THE TIME. WHILE I THINK BECAUSE OF THE CONTROVERSY IT IS BEST THAT HE LEAVES THE UM. I HOPE THAT THE NEXT SCHOOL HE ATTENDS UTILIZE THE NECESSARY DISCIPLINE TO ENSURE THAT HE DOESN'T THINK THAT HE IS SOME HOW ABOVE THE LAW. THOSE WHO HAVE ENCOURAGED HIM TO LEAVE. REMEMBER WHEN YOU CREATE A CREATURE, A MONSTER YOU NOW HAVE ON YOUR HANDS. I'M GLAD THE UM RESPECTFULLY GRANTED HIM HIS RELEASE, BECAUSE ONE BAD APPLE CAN SPOIL THE WHOLE BUNCH. NO MR. MARVE I'M NOT CALLING YOU BAD, JUST YOUR JUDGEMENT. I PERSONALLY WISH YOU WELL. PROVERBS 3: 5 - 6 VERSE

Well marve it was nice knowing U. but quitting now makes U a quitter for life. Damn U and JH competed on the field and U lost. There was no need to leave but u did Because u couldn't handle it. Well ill enjoy seeing a hometown MIAMI DADE product jacory become a legend.
GO CANES

Wow you guys who are complaining about shannon are making me sick to my stomach. Wow nix says randy didn't want to play a spread and you are all oh the sky is falling. Get real very few teams run the spread and win. Texas tech had there best season ever and still didn't make a bcs bowl game. The most consistent offenses are balanced offenses.Something nix never showed he either ran it all game with bubble screens or threw it all day with no runs. The man had to go shannon realized this as all good coaches do and made a change. Randy isn't the one responsible for getting offensive plays in and the clock management thing was as much an inexperiance thing as anything. 7-6 with the best players on the feild for you being true freshman says alot. notre dame won 3 games doing this against weaker competition. Randy is a good recruiter he got what was needed coming into the season and got ol men but one of them didn't qualify and is coming in this year. Also randy knew he had more depth at ol coming into this season then any other position on the team. Randy knows his team better then you guys. This team is very young and it's best years are ahead but all the teams that beat miami had alot better seniors and juniors on there teams then miami did. Randy needs 5 years to clean up coker's mess if he doesn't get it doen in year 5 fire him but please urban won his nc with zooks players. Spurrier was a great coach who as we see at south carolina got lazy recruiting and zook had to fix that. Give randy time and i mean alot of it not just 2 years. You guys seem to think cause we got 5 national titles we will always win one even if our best players at wr, qb, dt , de , lb ,cb and s are all true freshman as randy seems to think telemaque was his best safety had he not got hurt.

Posted by: g8rh8r | December 30, 2008 at 02:38 PM

pro style is what we run and pro style still works. Spread is for losers.

I completely agree with Snizzle. The talent level on this team fell off a cliff in 06 and 07. Who were the playmakers?? There were none. The best play (drive) the canes had in all of 07 was Freeman's miracle drive and throw to beat a down FSU team. The Duke team of 08 would have easily beaten the 07 canes. That's how bad the team was. We finally saw some guys making plays this year. They have a long way to go. Defense needs to get much bigger and better. We need some turnovers please. That was the difference in the bowl game and for the Phins over the Jets. Harris is raw but completely outplayed Marve this year. Lets hope he can stay healthy. Shannon needs to improve results or he could be gone as early as next year.

Manny

Mixed emotion about Jimmy Graham..
BAD not playing next 3 games could get rusty. We will need him in ACC Games. I would play him maybe 10 mins in each game just to keep him from getting rusty

GOOD is that will mean more playing time and experience for Dequan and Julian. Bot of them neeed as much experience as possible before ACC play since we will need then comming off the bench.

Everything starts with the offensive line. Can't run the ball without an O-Line, and can't pass without the run. This has been our weakness for several years now. I have no idea why our coaches (especially head coaches# have neglected this position for so many years #mistake #1). It seems like we've been recruiting "decent" talent at this position, but the guys haven't improved/matured as expected. In the end, the OC and QB are the ones taking the fall.

I actually feel bad for Berlin, Wright, and Freeman. Not only did they have to deal with a variety of OC's and schemes, but all of them were running for their lives during their time here at the U because of a sub-par OL. It's sickening to think that Dorsey was only sacked a handful of times his ENTIRE career at the U. I guarantee Berlin, Wright, and Freeman were each sacked that same number in one game.

I agree Nix had to go. I wish him the best, but I think he was in over his head. I also wish the best to Marve. Both of these guys worked hard and dedicated many many hours to the U. Unfortunately, it didn't work out.

Now, Shannon is on the clock. This OC hire is critical. Not because he's got a one year window to save his own job, but because he made a mistake by hiring Nix in the first place. Shannon should have been more selective and brought in someone who could compensate for his own short-comings on the offensive side of the ball.

Let's get it right this time!!

Go Canes!!

Manny...

Thanks for all of your hard work too! It's much appreciated!

You're always on top of the latest info for those who bleed orange and green!

Manny...

Thanks for all of your hard work too! It's much appreciated!

You're always on top of the latest info for those who bleed orange and green!

Marve is gone...and so is the QB drama. Thank god.

Nix is gone and so is the no rhythm playcalling....Thank god. Let's go get David Lee and let's utilize the wildcat that turned the Fins' season around. Remember 0-2 before wildcat and 11-3 after. Bryce Brown in the wildcat excites me. There is just so much to prepare for.

Manny - Any update on Jacory's shoulder injury and if he will need surgery?

Well said Mainecane.

I was hoping Nix would've produced more with RM and JH but it just didn't happen. And I think the time management blunder had more to do with Nix and the inexperience of JH than Shannon. But I do think we need to hire the new OC as soon as possible as it will affect recruiting and the development through the offseason.

I still have faith in Randy's Canes.

Marve will never be a winner. He had an opportunity to start his freshman year and got into a car accident. He was made the started coming into this season and was suspended for the 1st game because of breaking a car window and running from the police. Then he misses class and gets suspended from the Bowl Game. The kid grew up with alot of advantages and does not have the mental edge to beat out someone like Jacory who is a winner. Three years from now, JH will be an NFL 1st day draft choice and Marve will be playing in the Canadian League.

Shannon stood on the sidelines while 20 seconds ticked away, then calls a final timeout after jacory tosses the ball out of bounds ?? Are you serious ? Randy then gets in Nix's face and says the WTF are doing ?

Shannon is the headcoach right ? Just dumb to point the finger at others. Take some HEAT Randy, for once...Burn a timeout after an incompletion ??? HELLO !!!

Next year Jacory bails you out or marble mouf is coaching at Suniland Optimist.

Hey Yo...It took Bill Parcels and Tony Sparano to turn the Dolphins around and they had to fire their coach to do it. So unless we can come up w/ Bill Parcels and a Tony Sparano look alike, or at least a guy that can coach, this program will remain in shambles. Randy Shannon has done nothing to convince anyone he is the right person to turn things around.

good riddance to mavre and nix..

UM needs not to be cheap and bring in a good OC..

we have off. lineman comin in and the #1 Rb in the nation as well..

goooo canes!

REALITY CHECK for anyone who claims this program is in the same place as we were with Coker.

Can you imagine any Coker team after the 1st Quarter of the Emerald Bowl? Down 14-0, getting gashed by the run game, no production on offense. Can you imagine a Coker team standing tall and battling back?

NO WAY!!!

A Coker team would have folded and it would have been another blowout ala LSU, probably complete with a fight against the opponent in the tunnel.

Anyone who claims Coach Shannon has this team on a similar trajectory is BLIND!!! This team and these players have a totally different attitude.

Sure, Shannon has A LOT to learn about in-game coaching, but he has not peaked. He is always learning. (Just think how much better you are at your own job now when compared to just 2 years experience.)

Posted by: Chester Copperpot | December 30, 2008 at 02:16 PM

The Hurricane VOICE of REASON par excellance. Au Contraire to that BANDWAGON pompom waver from upstate New York!

U go with it Chester. I dig your keen sense of Miami Hurricane football.

As for Marve's daddy take on the entire soap opera-esque matter. IF Shannon was DISSING his precious son, as he claims ( And yes, there's probably a slight degree of substance, but it's not as dramatice Mr. Marve insinuates it to be.).

Then, why did Marve continue to start after eight or nine games. By game nine, Coach Shannon could have easily opted to start Ja-Scory the last three games of the regular season, and have Marve come off the bench. But Shannon DIDN'T Mr. Marve!!!!

And "4-REAL" Hurricane fandom. How about Marve "letting down" the Canes when he WILLINGLY missed those four classes. Marve knew Harris had a bum shoulder, and chose to SKIP his english class ONE FINAL TIME.

Marve's ATTITUDE towards The U in his final weeks put his former teammates in DOUBLE JEPORADY: See the Canes having only one QB- an injured Harris probably at 85% playing ability- going into the Emerald Bowl!!

Nonetheless, good luck Robert Marve where ever U end-up, and have a good talk with pappa about ACCOUNTABILITY as well as RESPONSIBILTY.

So, are we a basketball school now?

Matt, Chad Pennington is the reason the Phins are in the playoffs. Parcels and Sparano helped but without Chad, the phins might be a five win team. That is why he should be MVP this year. If you look at all the great college teams this year, the one thing that stands out is thier QB's. They all have great quarterbacks. The canes have not had a good QB in a long time. Harris might be the guy. For his first real college start, he played pretty well against Cal. It is his team now. Having Marve out of the picture should only help the offense gel as a unit. Time will tell.

Look guys, all I am saying is at some point the leader of the company has to take the blame. I agree w/ anyone that says that this team had more talent on it, freshman or not, than the one 3 years ago. But what does it say that you have more talent and are no better off. I am all for giving Shannon until next year but unless there is a 9-3 record on the wall w/ 3 recruiting classes to his credit, that to me is progress. If not than Shannon needs to take the blame. I am just not concvinced he is the guy to turn things around, but thats what you get for giving the reigns to a guy who has had zero coaching experience.

You cannot expect a FR QB to come and win the national title his first year but you expect him to get better and better each year, the same is expected of our head coach. Right now, Shannon is looking alot like Kyle Wright and Lance Leggett. I hope his career does not end like theirs.

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