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Sanford trio talk Canes, recruiting

SANFORD, Fla. -- They say they want to go to a place where they have an opportunity to see the field right away. They say they want their college choice to have a family atmosphere -- similar to the high school where they play now. They say that deep down, they all really want to play together at the next level.

The question is will they? Meet the Sanford Seminole High All-American trio -- hard-hitting safety Ray Ray Seminole_trioArmstrong, the speedy Andre DeBose and the big and intimidating defensive end Dyron Dye. I did Wednesday and came away just as impressed as apparently all of the major college football powers have across the country. And, I came away just as confused as to what they might do when they make their college announcement on Jan. 4 at the Under Armour All-American Game in Orlando.

While no one really has any clear insight into where each will end up, there are two things I learned for certain Wednesday -- the Hurricanes are not only in their thoughts, but UM probably is among the few schools that can fit all of their needs. The question is whether or not the Canes will have enough time to really convince the trio of that before their announcement in two weeks.

Seminole is set to take on Miami Northwestern in what I expect to be a great matchup in the Class 6A state championship game Saturday night at the Citrus Bowl. While making it to the state championship is obviously what DeBose, Dye and Armstrong wanted more than anything else this season, the unexpected, extended playoff run has created a time crunch for their visit and announcement plans. After the state championship game this weekend, the trio will only have one free weekend left before their supposed announcement date of Jan. 4 (that's Christmas weekend of Dec. 26-27). While they could make trips during the middle of the week the following week while school is out, they do have practice for the Under-Armour game in the days leading up to game day. Which means as DeBose hinted Wednesday, that despite an announcement on Jan. 4, these guys could still take official visits and leave the door open for change (not exactly shocking).

Since the start of the season, all three have kept tight lips throughout the recruiting process for the most part, hoping to keep their teammates and their season away from distractions. The result: each player has only been able to take two official visits thus far -- Armstrong and DeBose to LSU and Georgia and Dye to LSU and Iowa State. DeBose was the only player Wednesday who was willing to discuss potential visits and mentioned Florida, USC and the Canes as places he still wanted to take official visits to.

The good news is, each has already made enough unofficial visits (3 in all) to Miami -- including the Canes game against Florida State -- to get a great feel for the Canes. All three had nothing but wonderful things to say about the Canes coaching staff including Randy Shannon, who made the drive up to Sanford to watch the trio play with two assistants back in early November. Just know for sure Miami, though, UM is trying real hard to get one last crack at hosting the Sanford trio. As one UM person told me late tonight, "we really, really, really want to get all three down here one last time."

Here is what each of them discussed with me about The U and their college situation on Wednesday.

> Andre DeBose, who most insiders believe is headed to the SEC (LSU or Florida), said Andre_deboseMiami will get one last visit from him no matter what. He said throughout the year, he's developed "a great relationship" with quarterback Jacory Harris, who calls him once a week to check-in on him. He said he talks to receivers coach Aubrey Hill every other day and the two have "a special bond."

As for the Canes and his recruiting needs: "The school I'm looking for has to feel like family," said DeBose, a Rivals.com 5-star recruit. " I want an opportunity to play. I know they can't guarantee me a spot on the field. I just want an opportunity to play. Miami plays guys early. They don't mind putting young guys on the field early. UM will probably get an official visit from us, or at least from me for sure."

> Ray Ray Armstrong, who reminds me of a cross of Sean Taylor and Kenny Phillips, said he's learned to be cautious Ray_ray_armstrong
during the recruiting process. He said he values honesty above all else: "The thing I've learned is a lot of people are going to tell you everything you want to hear and some of it is just not true," Armstrong said. "You got to look through that and find the best fit. For me, I want to get to a college and play and I want to win. It was a great experience at Miami when we went there. The coaches are real with you. They make you feel like you're at home. The players really like to make you feel good too. They make you feel at home. For me, right now, everybody has a chance."

Dyron_dye>Dyron Dye uses the same words -- home and family -- to describe Miami. He said he speaks to UM defensive line coach Clint Hurtt and receivers coach Aubrey Hill at least once a week. While some people may be concerned with his academics, one insider at UM told me Wednesday night they believe Dye is not far from meeting the standards at UM to get in. "I'm looking to go somewhere I can play and be in an atmosphere where I can make a big impact," Dye said. "Miami lets young guys do that."

> I didn't get a chance to talk to defensive end commitment Olivier Vernon, who has basically disappeared off the face of the earth since taking his official to the University of Miami last weekend. But I did get a chance to speak with his mother, who told me her son told her he plans on waiting until after Christmas to make his announcement. "He wants some time to think it over a little more," she said. Vernon committed to UM early in the process, but took official visits out to Alabama and Florida State. The 6-3, 240-pound end would be a pretty big loss for UM if he chooses to back away from the Canes now.

> One guy Miami no longer has a shot at is JUCO offensive lineman Roy Watts, who signed with Houston Wednesday. Watts (6-5, 335) had Shannon for an in-home visit recently, but decided to back away from the Canes to stay close to home for his baby daughter and fiancee. It leaves UM with only one real JUCO opportunity -- Andrew Tiller of Nassau Community College.

Tiller (6-6, 320) recently visited nearby Rutgers, but told UM coaches he plans on visiting Miami in late January. Ultimately, this could end up the same way Watts did, with Tiller opting to stay closer to home. If not Rutgers, then possibly Syracuse, which is close to hiring Tiller's JUCO coach as an assistant.

> Miami's best shots at landing offensive linemen now looks like it will be through prep school or through high school. Plantation American Heritage's Jared Wheeler could be the first to jump on. As our Barry Jackson reported last week, Wheeler (6-5, 310) is now down to Vanderbilt and UM and folks at UM believe he could make his decision very soon. Last week, UM hosted the No. 1 prep school player in the country in 6-8, 335-pound Bobby Massie and Hargrave Military Academy teammate Daniel Campbell. This week, the Canes will get visits from offensive lineman Jermaine Johnson, defensive tackle William Campbell and offensive lineman Brandon Washington (who will sign in January).

> With former quarterback Steve Walsh getting into coaching Wednesday at West Palm Beach's Cardinal Newman High, I'm beginning to get the feeling several former players have caught the coaching bug with hopes of perhaps of getting on the UM staff eventually. Receiver Lamar Thomas joined the staff at Boynton Beach last year and has expressed interest of perhaps being on the UM sideline one day. The question is will any former guys actually find their way onto the coaching staff at The U any time soon? That's doubtful.

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DAM IF THE U CAN GET THE SEMINOLE TRIO, GAME OVER FOR THE REST OF THE NATION..

THANKS FOR THE INFO MANNY

1st??????

First? Nice update Manny.

-cheers

1st

MANNY,
is Harris working with the starters? is anyone suspended for grades?

its easy ...you want to play and make a impact come to miami..plus you cant say we dont produce nfl talent!!!!we own the nfl soon the world buhahahahah

We need the big guys asap!! Great job Shannon.

Great work, Manny. Love the persistence on Vernon. Keep 'em honest. His mother is extremely nice...how bout that accent? I'm sure he'll make the right decision. And the Seminole trio...sure sounds like they're using a lot of buzz words that are all synonymous with the U. I doubt DeBose talks to Tebow every week...Jacory's a shrewd recruiter...I like it. Maybe Marve's in the doghouse cuz his cell phone plan doesnt have as many minutes as Jacory's and he can't make recruiting calls.

Great stuff Manny

Great work Manny.

GO Canes, and good luck to all the recruits!

Great Job Manny! Loved this blog.

If the Seminole trio should happen to read this, just let it be known that you'd be welcomed with open arms at the U. It's a family from day 1 and will be throughout the rest of your careers, wherever they may take you. We're hungry to win and win now. You could do a lot to help make that happen. All 3 of you fit exactly what this program needs to get to that next level.


I'm sure you'll make the choice that is best for you and I do hope you end up here.

It's All About the U!!!

Dear seminole trio please read the article in the herald today about 9 former hurricanes being in the pro bowl this year, we produce nfl talent at every position. the florida gay turds do not produce anything but gimmick guys and qb's who will play full back poorly in the nfl (see tebow, tim). Come on down to miami, compete to be the best, get your time on the field to dominate, go make millions in the nfl
sincerely
all miami hurricane fans

I would also like to welcome the Seminole trio to look at the Miami Family, a PRIVATE Institution of higher learning where your degree will mean something special, and no matter where our W/L record stands the last few years, we are still NFL U! Just check the pro rosters fellas... we're #1.

Let's Go Canes!

Dear Santa,

All I want for Christmas is the Seminole Trio to sign with the U.

Roachcane77,

You highlighted the word private in private institution and said the degree will your degree will mean something special.

Are unaware of Miami's standing academically? I'm sorry to break it to you, but there are a number of PUBLIC institutions both in this state and throughout the country with higher rankings academically and where a degree means something more than a degree from Miami.

A lot of selling points with this school, but academics isn't really one of them.

Solid post, Navarro. I like that these kids getting shrewder each year and are understanding the BS that comes outta programs like Canesville.

Coach Shannon might be curt and a little gruff, but a liar he aint.

GO CANES

I haven't read this blog in some time.

To drop in and see " It's All About the U" and "It's a cane thang" emphasizes that you guys live in the past. The erosion continues.

Hey Joe

As per US News and World Reports ranking of schools academically, UM is ranked 51st. That's pretty darn good. It's not Harvard, but that's pretty competitive with other schools that are known for academics like BC (35th), GTech (34th), Wake Forest (28th), and UNC (30th). The ACC is probably the best academic conference of the BCS conferences.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/college/national-search/page+3

Do you want championships, rings and ultimately the NFL salary. Then U best come to the U because it is going to be something special real soon. Look what happened to Georgia, LSU and the rest of the SEC. It's on a downhill slide. Percy has already filed his papers with the NFL, and it won't be long for Tebow and Spikes, then Florida will also be on the downhill slide. U want something special, U betta get here. The U is where it's gonna be. WATCH!

Is someone stealing my name...Hey I'm the real BDC and most of its CAPITOLIZED . RULE #1 For blogging don't use someone elses name because U might get qouted for saying something U didn't say. Get your own name buddy!! BDC OUT!

JOE,

The Canes are ranked in the top 10 in NCAA Academics, and look up the U's Schools of Medicine, Law and Architecture and see how they stack up with the nation.

Joe,

Before you post, please do your homework! You sound a bit bitter you never had a chance to attend UM...

Joe:

Go away. You're annoying us. Stay off our blog- this is for actual Canes fans.

"It's a Cane 'thang... U wouldn't understand.."

Posted by: Joe | December 18, 2008 at 09:14 AM

Well, let's see about that:

In 14 of the last 16 years, the University of Miami football team’s graduation rate far exceeded the national average of the American Football Coaches Association’s member schools. Since 1991, UM’s average AFCA rate is 71.52 percent, well ahead of the national average of 58 percent.
This past spring, the NCAA released its annual Academic Progress Report (APR), with the Hurricane football team scoring a 969, the eighth-highest mark out of the 119 Bowl Sub-division football programs. Miami’s score – also the third-highest mark in the 12-team Atlantic Coast Conference – puts the team in the 80th-90th percentile nationally based on its performance in the classroom.
Miami’s APR score in 2008 was a slight improvement over its mark of 966 in 2007 when the team was ranked 10th nationally in academic success.
Of the 23 seniors on this year’s squad, 13 have already earned degrees, while the remaining 10 are all on course to graduate either in December of 2008 or May of 2009.
Last season, Miami had 12 early graduates – the second-highest total nationally behind fellow ACC member Boston College and in 2006, Miami had an ACC-high eight players named to the All-ACC Academic Football Team.
Top 10 2008 Football Academic Progress Report Scores
(includes BCS, C-USA and independent schools)
1. Stanford 986
2. Navy 979
3t. Duke 977
Rutgers 977
5. Air Force 976
6. Rice 975
7. Boston College 972
8t. Miami 969
Northwestern 969
Notre Dame 969

2008 APR Rankings Among All D-I Football Programs in Florida
1. Miami 969
2. Florida 962
3. Florida State 954
4. UCF 937
5. USF 917
6. FAU 915
7. FIU 887

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Guys... fellas... The U is a sinking ship. Can't you see that Nix is possibly the worst OC in NCAA football?

thee worst.


Now... FSU on the other hand... they're on the up n up. DEBOSE, we need you!!!!!!

Well, let's see about that:

In 14 of the last 16 years, the University of Miami football team’s graduation rate far exceeded the national average of the American Football Coaches Association’s member schools. Since 1991, UM’s average AFCA rate is 71.52 percent, well ahead of the national average of 58 percent.
This past spring, the NCAA released its annual Academic Progress Report (APR), with the Hurricane football team scoring a 969, the eighth-highest mark out of the 119 Bowl Sub-division football programs. Miami’s score – also the third-highest mark in the 12-team Atlantic Coast Conference – puts the team in the 80th-90th percentile nationally based on its performance in the classroom.
Miami’s APR score in 2008 was a slight improvement over its mark of 966 in 2007 when the team was ranked 10th nationally in academic success.
Of the 23 seniors on this year’s squad, 13 have already earned degrees, while the remaining 10 are all on course to graduate either in December of 2008 or May of 2009.
Last season, Miami had 12 early graduates – the second-highest total nationally behind fellow ACC member Boston College and in 2006, Miami had an ACC-high eight players named to the All-ACC Academic Football Team.
Top 10 2008 Football Academic Progress Report Scores
(includes BCS, C-USA and independent schools)
1. Stanford 986
2. Navy 979
3t. Duke 977
Rutgers 977
5. Air Force 976
6. Rice 975
7. Boston College 972
8t. Miami 969
Northwestern 969
Notre Dame 969

2008 APR Rankings Among All D-I Football Programs in Florida
1. Miami 969
2. Florida 962
3. Florida State 954
4. UCF 937
5. USF 917
6. FAU 915
7. FIU 887

Posted by: 360Cane | December 18, 2008 at 01:09 PM


Ummm...that's all great but he was talking about the education at the University of Miami, not the graduation rates of the athletes.

does anybody know Marve was allowed to leave the team and return home to Tampa!?!?!?!?

Manny, please... SOME INFO!!!!

To all of you saying (on the article message board) and in other places, "Good riddance, Marve! We don't want you.. We want you GONE and out of UM.."

I think you're honestly being stupid.

Yes, most of us agree that Jacory Harris should be the starter moving forward, but do you think that Marve doesn't even deserve a spot at UM as a back-up? Do you think that if Jacory broke a bone and was to miss multiple games, that there's simply no place for Marve at UM?

I think it's logical to start Jacory over Marve moving forward. But to those of you saying, "I hope he transfers" instead of "I hope Jacory is the new starter," you need a reality check.

Marve might not be as good as Jacory right now. He might be as good as him or better in the future. But to treat him like a piece of football crap (ie. Kirby Freeman), you must be stupid.

BTW- Kirby Freeman sucks as a QB, but I saw pics of his girlfriend, and I'd love to hit that...

It started back to the first game of the yr. Marve's parents were reported in some papers as being furious with Shannon. The parents may have carried that torch throughout the football yr. picking at little things, in their mind. If that is the case, best let Marve starte over somewhere else, of course, U fans want to keep good players but you cannot play them both and it appears Marve will not set on the bench. So, really what else is left, except leaving. I might help, and hurt recruiting this yr. Most players are looking for a settled qtback situation on offense.

We need Marve and Harris too stay at the U. The Seminole trio would be awesome for Miami. Debose would be a great fit with Chudzinski as the off. cor.. Go CANES!


DO YOU THINK MARINO OR MONTANA WOULD HAVE LET THERE TEAM DOWN BY BEING SUSPENDED FOR 2 GAMES THE FIRST YEAR THEY WERE STARTERS. I THINK NOT. MARVE IS NOT A LEADER, LEADERS DONT GET SUSPENDED FOR THE 1ST GAME OF THEYRE CAREER , NOR FOR THE 1ST BOWL GAME . CAN YOU IMAGINE DORSEY MISSING THE SUGAR BOWL AGAINST FLORIDA, OR THE ROSE BOWL AGAINST NEBRASKA OR THE FIESTA AGAINST OHIO STATE, OR HIS 1ST BOWL- THE GATOR BOWL. BIG PLAYERS SHOW UP FOR BIG GAMES, I DONT THINK HE WILL MAKE THE TRIP.

"THE JACORY HARRIS ERA BEGINS NOW"

HARRIS IS BETTER BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS ANYWAY. MARVE ,THANKS FOR MAKING RANDYS JOB EASY ON HIM. HARRIS MENTALLY WAS WAY AHEAD OF MARVE.
MARVE SHOULD HAVE NEVER STARTED AGAIN AFTER UCF AND DUKE GAMES.
"THE JACORY HARRIS ERA BEGINS NOW"

Marve officially out of the Bowl game...Word is that RS will recruit a QB this yr after his trip and its not AJ Highsmith!
As for an OC....Coach JJ has been talking to RS a lot....BELIEVE IN SHANNON AND HOLCUTT MAKING GOOD MOVES FOR THIS TEAM!! OC NIX GOOD LUCK SOMEWHERE ELSE...

OUT
DRTYCANE

the film on the 3 seminole kids is sick...check it out on youtube....them boys are mf'ing athletes!! i hope they don't sellout to florida!!

DEBOSE = LSU LOCK

QUIT HATIN!

Debose is all Gator. Book it! He'll brings his friends, too. Sorry, lose the U and the sorry of a whiner coach you have and you just might have a chance. Go Gators!

Blogs are good for every one where we get lots of information for any topics nice job keep it up !!!

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