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The Hot Stove: Marve, Bryce and recruiting

There's never a time of year quite like that little gap when the football regular season ends and the bowl game takes place. At The U, that time was usually reserved for rumors of who might decide to leave school early for the NFL or who might be leaving a coaching job here for a better one somewhere else. These days it's a little different.

Among the many rumors heard around The U this week: Robert Marve is disgruntled and leaving the program; highly-touted recruit Bryce Brown isn't coming to UM anymore; Patrick Nix is getting fired; Jack McClinton is going to play the part of Rick James in a movie; and the reason I didn't get into that club last weekend in Louisville was because I can't wear skinny jeans. In search of some truth, I spent the past three nights talking to folks in and around this program to try and provide you with what I believe is behind all of this internet, hearsay madness. And so far, the only rumor I can confirm with 100 percent certainty is the last one. I didn't get into that club because of my baggy jeans.

But as for the rest, here is what I'm hearing...

> It's on good word the parents of quarterback Robert Marve had some sort of a meeting with Randy Shannon before the coach flew to San Francisco for some bowl festivities Robert_marve2Wednesday. From what I gathered, Marve's future at Miami remains unclear. It's unknown exactly what was discussed. But the fact remains he started 11 games this season. As one person told me, "He had a chance to put a stranglehold on the position with 11 starts and he didn't." My guess is his family wants what's best for their son. And there's nothing wrong with that. After all, this could all be about nothing serious. But I've been told family-coach meetings are rare during the season. That should show you how important the issue is for both sides. Don't look for any public statements on this until the issue is resolved.

Meanwhile, if Marve does leave as the hot rumor suggests, he's been tied to USF, LSU and UF on internet message boards and blogs. Here's what makes sense to me. If he does decide to leave, don't expect him to be granted a release to USF. Miami plays USF, after that newly signed deal, many times over the next few years. And the Canes don't usually allow players to transfer to future opponents.

> While Marve's future at UM is unclear, one thing is certain: he has not been is suspended for violating any team rules. In fact, no player at UM has been suspended for breaking any team rules (as of right now). We will find out next Wednesday, however, if someone failed to meet the academic requirements to remain eligible for the Emerald Bowl on Dec. 27.

> As for Miami's other quarterback, Jacory Harris, I don't expect him to be going Jacory_harris2_2anywhere regardless of whether or not Marve transfers after the bowl game. Harris, I'm told, is extremely happy at Miami. While Jacory's parents are expected to request a meeting after the season with Shannon to talk about their son (much the same way as Marve), no one should think Harris wants out. The family loves being close to their son and do not want to have to drive far to watch their son play. In fact, even though at first they thought the two QB system might not work, they were pleasantly surprised it did. Just don't take that to mean they'll be happy with it being in place moving forward.

Jermaine_mckenzie> From what I hear, expect a handful of players -- especially running backs who hardly played and tight ends and linemen who never play -- to be transferring to new schools after the bowl game (just like last year). One guy who I don't expect to leave is receiver Jermaine McKenzie. His father told me Monday night Jermaine is finally healthy (100 percent) and they expect him to compete at a higher level this spring. While Jermaine was frustrated he didn't catch a pass this season, I'm told he believes in the coaches, who keep urging him to compete.

> As for highly-touted running back Bryce Brown, who told Scout.com last week he was no longer planning on enrolling at UM in January, the Canes are still very confidentBryce_brownthey'll land the blue-chipper from Kansas. Brown has been busy taking official visits to Clemson, Missouri and Oregon. He still has another trip scheduled to Purdue and his final trip to Miami. But the word is Oregon is the only team that really might be able to sway Brown away from the Canes. Bryce said in a candid video interview with Scout he loved the feel at Oregon. I just don't expect it to be strong enough to pull him away from UM in the end and neither do the Hurricanes' brass who believe his relationship with Arthur Brown will prevail.

> Plantation cornerback and UM commitment Brandon McGee and I spoke for about 15 minutes regarding Brown, who will be his teammate at the U.S. Army All-American game next month in San Antonio. This is what McGee told me: "It kind of threw me off that he's not coming early anymore. But I still think he's going to be a Cane. We talk on the phone and he tells me how he's working on getting some linemen to come here. I'd be really surprised if he changed his mind."

> McGee, who said he will begin his career at UM as a cornerback, will begin classes at UM on Jan. 20 and is expecting to room with running back Mike James. He said he's been busy working out since his season ended three weeks ago. Lately, he's been busy trying to Browmcgeerecruit for the Canes, chatting it up with receiver Andre DeBose (one of the Sanford trio). This weekend, McGee will celebrate his birthday by taking an official visit with fellow commitments James, tight end Billy Sanders, tight end Stephen Plein, defensive end Olivier Vernon and defensive lineman Curtis Porter. The plan is to help try and create a family feel with the big guys who will also be visiting this weekend -- offensive linemen Bobby Massie, Daniel Campbell and Jermaine Johnson. "We're definitely trying to get some of those big men to commit," McGee said. "Coach Stoutland told us he needs an assist."

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canes your the idiot here. your the one who keeps making excuses for losing. maybe you sympathize because your a loser. your the guy who said marve won the ucf game. why dont you try watching the canes play. your also the moron who compared marve to colt mccoy(still laughing at you for that one). where did you read that scouts inc. are you sure you watch the games or just the highlights on espn. you sure dont seem like you know that much.

Posted by: canethang | December 12, 2008 at 02:35 PM

IDIOT...I never compared Marve to McCoy.
IDIOT...I used McCoy as an example, which was a bad one but I corrected it.
IDIOT...I said that Marve is not a scrub after just 11 games played.
IDIOT...I said Harris should be the starter.
IDIOT...Please show me where I said Marve won the UCF game.
IDIOT...I said that this whole offense is bad and the problems cannot be placed solely on Marve.

IDIOT. IDIOT. IDIOT. IDIOT. IDIOT.

they will score 40 on cal if harris starts

Posted by: canethang | December 12, 2008 at 02:39 PM

LOLOLOL...Wow, what a dumb@ss.

cane you are a mental midget. who cares if marve will get better one day, so will harris . the argument is that right now harris is better and marve should of had to earn the job after being suspended just like every other player on our team..SOMETHING GIVEN TO YOU , HAS NO VALUE.

Posted by: canethang | December 12, 2008 at 02:41 PM


Ughhh...your reading comprehension is really bad. Maybe it's not just that. Maybe you are just this stupid. That IS NOT the argument. I said Harris should start. The argument is wether or not you can close the book on Robert Marve after 11 games, and label him a scrub. No you cannot and whoever does that is an idiot, ie: you.

After 11 games, Harris is obviously better. They should compete next year for the job, with Harris going in as the incumbent starter. If Marve beats him Marve beats him. If not, not. The point is they are both freshmen and you don't know how they will develop.

I would like to see what Marve and Harris could do if they had the kind of protection that Tebow gets at UF.

Jaime im preety sure Harris didny play that much against fsu... good try though..

The back up qb is always the most popular player on the team. i remember alot of people wanting freeman to start over wright too.
However, harris did play alot better than marve did. but had some preety bullsh*t touchdowns against some shitty @ss teams. im with canes, 1 yr w/ 2 freshmen isnt enough time to decide who is better...

canethang needs to get off jacorys d*ck though... Are offense is horrible, we would have never put 50 up on ucf with or without harris. 2 qb system does not work!!!!!!!! Jacory looked worse than marve did against nc state. his int was the reason y we lost that game.

My God, bri cane. I did not think that there was another objective, intelligent Cane fan on here today. Thank you. I totally agree with you.

manny youre the freaking man. i really hope marve doesnt leave because i think he has the potential to be a really good qb but it would be easier to decide the starting qb for the next 3 year.

You people defending Marve's performances are amazing. Marve has talent but hasn't shown the ability to lead and make plays on a consistant basis. He does however bog down and throw INT's on a very consistant basis.

And bashing Jacory's stats against Duke and UVA? You have to be kidding. We would have lost both games (5-7 again)if Jacory doesn't get the job done. BTW, UVA's defense was so 'bad' that it beat GT and UNC and held both to under 14 points...

On WQAM's interview with Jimmy Johnson, he speaks of Jacory's leadership and talent but doesn't mention Marve at all. That says everything about Jimmy's assessment of both QBs.

That's right Canez NC- Bri cane and cane are losing it.

Ok I stand corrected, jacorry played very little against FSU.

DO YOU, OR ANYONE IN THIS BLOG THINK FOR ONE MINUTE THAT UNDER MARVE WE WOULD HAVE:

A) CAME BACK LIKE WE DID AGAINST DUKE?

B) AGAINST UVA- WITH UNDER 2 MINUTES TO PLAY, FROM THE UM 2 YARD LINE, ON THIRD AND 13, MADE A PERFECT PASS UNDER DURESS (AND IT WAS A GREAT CATCH), AND DRIVEN THE BALL 98 YDS? NEVER. NEVER. NEVER.
AGAINST NCST JACORRY ON THIRD DOWN FROM THE 5 OR SOMETHING THREW A GORGEOUS OUT PATTERN THAT WENT THROUGH THE HANDS OF KAYNE F. THAT BALL WAS PERFECT.

THE INT THAT JACORRY THREW AGAINST GT WAS UGLY, BUT NOT AS UGLY AS THAT PATHETIC PASS MARVE THREW WHEN WE WERE ONLY DOWN 3-0. I MEAN DID YOU ALL SEE THAT? THAT PASS HE THREW (AND NOT UNDER PRESSURE), WAS A MICRO-COSM OF EVERYTHING THAT MARVE CAN OR CANNOT DO (READ DEFENSES, READ BLITZES, READ COVERAGES, MENTALLY GO THROUGH YOUR OPTIONS AND IN A SPLIT SECOND MAKE A DECISION). THE GAME WAS OVER AT THAT POINT. YOU COULD SEE THE AIR COME OUT OF THE CANES. MARVE HAS DONE THAT often OVER 11 GAMES.

HE COULD HAVE WON THE STARTING JOB AND NONE OF US WOULD BE HAVING THIS CONV. HAD HE:

- Come back and beat FSU
- Beat GT
- Beat NC
- Beat NC st

It was in his hands and he couldn't do it. Now, don't tell me he won the Vtech game. Cane you were drooling over how Marve performed against VT. That game was won by the Defense. Period.

bri canes jacorys int didn't loss that ncstate the canes did as a team. You must also have forgotten marve threw a couple picks himself. As for Mr. Cane I can see what ur talking bout u can't just say marve sucks after this season but u can say that he needs a ton of help on things that jacory already has. Jamie joe canethang u guys are right on man I can see why u guys get fustrated. Jacory was the one who got screwed this season because marve didn't perform and kept his starting job. Grant hankerson and a couple other guys lost there spots even b johnson and marve didn't that sucks because no matter how Harris performed it didn't matter marve was still number one bri cane and other marve lovers put urself in Harris shoes and then what will u think. If anyone should think transfer it should be Harris but he is not because he is a true cane. Marve u guys should second guess what type of potenial great qb would think about leaving his team that's not leadership and who wants play or follow a guy who doesn't have it in his heart.

I like both qb's. And although I was pushing for Marve to be the starter. I have to admit Jacory outplayed him this year. I always felt that Jacory was going to become the better of the two, but I felt were potentially in position to be like USC with Leinart and Palmer. But it looks like Jacory was the better qb. I'm sorry but please don't discredit Jacory's accomplishments. He far exceeded what I thought he was going to do in his first year. The defenses Jacory played against was the same defenses Marve played against and Jacory was just netter on that they.

And let me set this one thing straight. The last pass against UVA was not a lucky pass it was a smart pass. If you watched the game you would have saw that a UVA player had jumped off sides and a flag was thrown, then Byrd was being hold and he threw it up and another flag was thrown, either way we would have maintain possession and Harris used the play as a free play. And yes recievers dropped passes for Harris just like Marve.

Both qb's are good and have great potential. but lets not discredit one to put up another. Jacory was the better qb if he plays even better in the spring he should be name the starter. And his confidence should be good, because he knows that he would have to screw up extremely bad to lose the starting spot.

For those of you on here stating that Marve is the better QB, I just have 1 question...WHAT IN THE HELL IS THE MATTER WITH YOU. In almost every statistical category Jacory has better numbers...and has taken just over HALF the snaps. Did you hear that, HALF!

Marve is SOMEWHAT better runner, can take a hit better and has a stronger arm. The first 2 qualities would matter more if we were talking about running back or receiver and the third is irrelevant because he throws every pass 100 mph. I don't think he understands the meaning of "touch pass."

But I don't want to crack n Marve too hard. He is a gifted athlete and a fierce competitor. In the right system and with some additional coaching (like on how to read defenses) and the right supporting cast he can be a great QB someday. However, this year he was not a great QB and next year is not looking good either.

On the other hand, I feel Jacory has proved himself this year. He CAN read defenses, seems to have better leadership qualities and CAN make a variety of different throws. His arm is much stronger than people give him credit for. I think he has a stronger arm than Kosar, Walsh, Dorsey and possibly even Torretta, and all those QBs won us a titles.

I frankly don't know if either of these QBs were ready to lead the team this because of their youth, especially the first half of the year. However, over the course of the season I have seen Jacory progress much more than Marve. I think Marve actually took some steps backward over the course of the season and, unfortunately, the team he was leading followed suit.

I really don't want to see Marve transfer but better him than Jacory. I don't recall any QB transferring from The U and doing better elsewhere. Running from competition does not make you a better player. Marve is deluded if he thinks he is going to transfer to UF or LSU and become a starer any time in the near future. He has 2 years invested in this program, and this program in him I might add, and he should stay and compete. But he needs to do what he and parents think is best for him.

MARVE and his parents see the writing on the wall, harris is better, marve has no shot at being better than harris in the next 3 years. didnt manny say marve might be suspended for grades.. how many great qbs were suspended for their first game as a starter?or their first bowl game. after berlin wright,freeman and now marve. i am ready for a real winner , thanks for staying at miami jacory.
MARVE WILL BE GONE SOON , HE DOESNT HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO COMPETE AT THIS LEVEL. AND ALL YOU MARVE LOVERS WILL LOOK EVEN DUMBER(NOT POSSIBLE FOR CANES TO LOOK ANY DUMBER)WHEN HE HAULS BUTT BACK TO TAMPA TO AVOID LOSING HIS JOB TO THE BETTER QB. like a scared little mommas boy.

Competition is the name of the Game. If Marve wants to go, well let him go. He is not bigger than the program and as talent go, he is average at best. Harris deserves an opportunity and moreover, he has earned it by his play. Randy has the team coming along as expected, however he will need to show significant improvement in 2009. Big names do not always make great players, you only need to look at programs like Utah, Texas Tech, Boise and ECU as programs that have taken a page out of the old Canes recruiting book. Look for talent, not big names and continue to build an identity around the football program. UM use to be known as "Quarterback U", but it could just as well been labelled "Linebacker U", "Running Back U" or "Wide Receiver U". Just look at the top 5 players in just about any position in the NFL and you will find UM prominently represented. I believe in coach Shannon and believe in the system in which he was developed. Coach, if the kid(s) wants to go and not compete for his job, LET HIM GO.

Last night watched a replay of the 2000 UM v FSU game. I mean, what has happened? The Um team had:
Dorsey, Santana Moss, reggie Wayne, James Jackson, Clinto Portis (was hurt), McGahee (third rb), Najeh, Matt Walters Joaquin Gonzalez, Shockey, Winslow (on the sidelines), Andre Johnson, Daryl Jones, Bryant McKinnie, Damione Lewis, Dan Morgan, Jonathan Vilma, Ed Reed, Mike Rumph, Philip Buchanon, DJ Willimas (playing fullback). FSU had Anquain Boldin, Weinke, Snoop Minnis, and plenty others as well that made the NFL. Unbelievable rosters. The game was a passing fest. By watching Dorsey, what struck me was these few things:

-sophomore qb in his first full year as starter (example- MArve)
-weak arm
-Good protection... but see below
-excellent wide receivers
-good but not great rbs and full backs (DJ, Davenport, JJ- Portis was hurt).
- Lots of play action (Dorsey couldnt run)
- Lots of roll outs
-receivers getting open, NEVER saw a receiver drop any passes, and some were not perfect passes.
- Dorsey despite his weak arm, was always on the money and had a great touch. Observe the last TD to Shockey. It was beautifully placed with a defender on his back.
- Dorsey waited.. and waited... and never rushed the pas, and stepped into the pocket.. and gothit often after the pass was thrown...
- Dorsey ALWAYS looked off defenders very well, and hardly ever telegraphed his passes. He knew how to take what the D gave him

People, there are no magic powers here, it takes QB smarts and he had it. He was basically into his tenth game as a starter at that time, and in 51 seconds, in a packed home field, under incredible pressure(80,900 fans in the old girl!) he drove the ball down field to win the game with pin point sideline passes, no panic, no running, no sacks, no ints, threw the ball away a couple of times, and as a general, commanded the troops down the field.

THAT, my friends, is what we need. A leader that takes over the game (No it wasnt just Santana Moss, reggie Wayne, DJ or Shockey). It was the QB. Jacorry has demonstrated that more than once. he has the same poise. He seems to be able to rally those around him better. Let's give him the chance. next year will be a brutal schedule: Oklahoma at home, FSU away, VT away, NC, Wake, away. we need a signature win. A top ten ranking soon. And that will signal to the world thatthe Canes are back.

With Marve, it doesnt seem possible, but I am willing to accept his role as back up (or potential starter if he improves on the THINKING part of his skill set).

I LOVE JACORY, BEEN SCOUTING HIM SINCE HIS JUNIOR YEAR IN HIGHSCHOOL AND HE WILL BE GREAT... JACORY'S ARM STRENGTH WILL HINDER HIM.

MARVE HOWEVER HAS MORE POTENTIAL, HIS ONLY LIMITATION IS HIS SMARTS, AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH COACHING... HE DOES NOT UNDERSTAND READS YET. BUT HIS ARM, LEGS, & ABILITY ARE SUPERIOR TO MR. HARRIS. MARVE IS 1 READ AND RUN, HE'S GOTTA LEARN HOW TO LOOK AT HIS SECOND AND 3RD READ. AND THATS COACHING, MARVE IS 19 AND CAME FROM A 4A HIGHSCHOOL PROGRAM. IT TAKES TIME TO DEVELOP TALENT.


I ASK EVERY CANE FAN A QUESTION... WHAT WILL BE BEST FOR THE U PROGRAM? 1 of the 2 QB'S TRANSFERRING?

OR JACORY REDSHIRTING NEXT YEAR, GETTING BIGGER AND STRONGER... WHILE MARVE THRIVES...?

in my opinion THE U NEEDS BOTH...

HM, Jacory's arm strength will hinder him? I don't buy that at all. Maybe hinder his NFL chances if it stays the same but his arm is plenty strong for CFB. Ever watch Dorsey throw the ball? Plus, Jacory's already shown he can win college football games as an underweight true freshman. He's ready now...heck, he was ready months ago and we'd probably be 8-4 or 9-3 if not for the 'Shannon edict' that Marve starts the entire year...

BTW, Ohio State's Terrell Pryor (like Jacory) is nowhere near as good (think Vince Young's freshman year) as he will be. Yet (like Jacory) he gave OSU the best chance to win now and he'll grow in successive seasons into his full potential. Jim Tressell prefers an imperfect wet-behind-the-ears freshman leading OSU to 10-2 than an more 'mature' QB leading them to an 8-4 season. Makes sense to me...

In essence, the only thing that hindered Jacory (and the team) was Randy's promise to Marve and family. Time to now move on and let Jacory (and the team) reach their ceiling...

I agree with CanezNC

The coaches are getting in their own way and inthe way of the players' success. ransy Shannon's stupidity with his arrogant, stubborn attitude hindered their progress with this silly 2 qb "edict"

Randy- Quit trying too hard. You are over thinking so much that it looks like you are under-thinking.

hm--- the flaw in your logic is MARVE THRIVING. WTF MAKES YOU THINK HE WILL THRIVE. jacory wont redshirt to an inferior qb. why should he.

so much potential,,, not many 6 feet 1 inch qbs in the nfl. no good ones anyway

jamie you are rite ppl bashing jacory like he had all the chances in the world to turn the game around how can you ppl say jacory didn't do anything against fsu va tech wake forest ucf when the man never got a true chance to play if marve was in that position you wouldn't see great numbers from him so leave jacory alone im not going to bash marve but jacory has showed flashes that he should get to start and NIX MUST GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO he made both of the qb look like fish out of water with qb draws neither one are like a pat white or terrel pryor they are pocket qb with the ability to get out and break a defense down

dorsey or walsh didnt have great arm strenght. it was being smart. to many receivers. the backs, the full backs, the TE, and receivers ALL going on routes at different times. find the 1 on 1. and then, for miami, CATCH THE STINKIN BALL.that has killed this team. harris is smarter, marve has the arm. i like harris. he has touch on the pass. Bill Walshsaid before the 91 NC game, these receivers catch every pass in warmups, even if it took a great catch. the biggest problem, is NIX. thats shannon responsibility, and if he cant do what it takes to get the off better, fire him too

I dont get any of this transfer talk--Marve family---- Our 2 U heisman winners did not start until their 4th yr in the program. Vinnie redshirted in 1982, sat behind kosar in 83 and 84, & played in 85 and 86, he just retired. Torretta redshirted in 1988, won a heated presseaon battle over Brian Fortay in 1991, & played 2 yrs. THESE R FRESHMAN, things happen, injuries happen. Look at all those kids sitting behind tebow, do they complain or R the gayturds message boards begging them to transfer? they have sexton and brantly, 2 5 star kids, who never get in even when Urbans up by 40 points, so, get over it. If Devlin had come here, or if Larry Coker didnt go 3 entire classes w/o a qb, marve and JH would be sitting for 2-3 more yrs. Mitch Mustain, mentioned above ,started like 9 games at Arkansas, but his parents didnt like that they were a running team, he was 5 star, he transfers of all schools to qb u at USC, and is 3rd string. Ride it out marve, and suck it up. This is the easiest competition here since Joker went 3 yrs with no qbs, if you go to any other school, theres probably 3-4 kids that U will have to go against.

good post Dom

Canes,

You act as though these young quarterbacks starting playing football when they got to college. These guys have been playing their whole lives. They have developed habits that, for the most part, are not going to change over the next few years.

Quarterbacks do generally improve over their college careers, but they don't really develop too many new skills at that point. If a quarterback doesn't have the ability to check down by now, he'll probably never have that ability. If a quarterback can't sense pressure at this point, he probably never will.

I have yet to see one of these quarterbacks who have displayed the drastic improvement you speak of. McCoy was much better than Marve as a freshman. Stafford has gotten better, but he's not a great college quarterback by any stretch of the imagination.

The great quarterbacks of recent years started their careers as great quarterbacks. Dorsey, Tebow, Bradford, Grossman, Troy Smith, etc. were all great as freshman.

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