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UM-FIU rivalry could end on court Friday

The University of Miami will host crosstown rival Florida International in a men's basketball game Friday night in a game that probably won't be very exciting. FIU, without four of its five regular starters, have never been much of a match for UM on the basketball court anyway -- with the Canes owning an all-time record of 11-1 against the Golden Panthers.

Jack_mcclinton_vs_fiuBut the reason most of us ought to care about this game Friday is because as of now, it's the last time the Canes and Golden Panthers will meet in any of the major sports (football, basketball or baseball). We all remember what happened in football three years ago and why these teams probably won't meet on the gridiron any time soon. And we all know how the baseball relationship has soured between UM coach Jim Morris and FIU coach Turtle Thomas, his former assistant of 11 years. But basketball -- at the very least -- was a place the Canes and Golden Panthers have never really had any beef.

UM coach Frank Haith said Thursday while the two schools are looking to keep the rivalry on the court going, nothing looks close to being done. "This is the last game of the series, but we're considering playing down the road – nothing definite yet," Haith said. "It's a game that for the city they get excited about. I know FIU's had some injuries, but I anticipate them playing extremely hard. They'll always play hard and defensively be very aggressive. I anticipate a very hard-fought game."

From what FIU beat writer Pete Pelegrin tells me, UM is looking for a four-game Mario_cristobal_and_pete_garciadeal in hoops, with three games at UM and one at FIU. That's doesn't sound like a stretch, considering UM has hosted 10 of the team's 12 meetings. But FIU athletic director Pete Garcia is looking for a basic home-and-home series with the Canes. As far as baseball in concerned, Garcia told The Miami Herald in April he hoped the series would continue. But according to the FIU 2009 schedule, it doesn't look like that's going to happen. The Hurricanes have yet to release their baseball schedule.

> As for the Canes basketball team, which slipped out of the AP poll and are No. 25 in the ESPN/Coach's poll, this will be the first of two games in three days. UM hosts Robert Morris Sunday at 1 p.m. before taking a week off and opening ACC play against Clemson on Dec. 21. It's going to be a nice little break during finals week for the team.

Dequan_jones> I spoke with freshman DeQuan Jones for more than half an hour after Haith's press conference and met his father, a steel worker and former junior college basketball star from Birmingham, Alabama. DJ is certainly loving his time at UM and talked a lot about learning how to be a leader from Jack McClinton. It's something Jones will definitely have to be next season when the Canes lose four seniors to graduation and welcome an entirely new starting backcourt.

One of those weapons will be Villanova transfer Malcolm Grant, who is sitting out the season per NCAA transfer rules. I asked DeQuan about Malcolm, who is his roommate, and how he's doing in practices with the team. "Malcolm's a bad boy," Jones said. "He's the most vocal guy on the team. You can tell when he's not out at practice because it's not as loud. Malcolm is loud all the time. He's going to be a great leader next season."

> Haith said he wants Jones to focus more on defense and rebounding. So far, in seven games, Jones is averaging 3.3 points, 1.9 rebounds and has 10 turnovers. He's averaging 12.7 minutes a game. "I think he's getting closer and closer to having one of those breakout games," Haith said. "With him it's a matter of him beining comfortable, understanding what we do and defensively – I'd like DeQuan to focus on rebounding and defense and let the offense take care of itself."

> Haith talked a little about Miami's other freshman who is seeing minutes, Julian_gambleforward Julian Gamble, and said he was really good in the Kentucky game even though he didn't score. "We look at the little things, clogging the middle up – he blocked three shots in that game," Haith said. "He's very active. I think Julian is coming along fine. The more the season progresses I think you'll see him get more and more minutes and be more productive, particularly on the offensive end because I think Julian has great skills."


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Nice blog Manny!

MANNY...good talking to you and glad things are resolved. U should have known that was NOT me, but hey things happen. You know we respect and support you and your work.

Take care and GO CANES!!!

Posted by: 86Cane | December 10, 2008 at 11:47 PM

Thanks 86 for clearing things up. Sorry it got to that. Good interview with Carey. He's a great guy. He is the 305.

Posted by: Manny Navarro | December 10, 2008 at 11:51 PM

From www.hurricanesports.com:

The No. 25 University of Miami men's basketball team opens a three-game homestand at the BankUnited Center on Fri., Dec. 12, playing host to crosstown-rival FIU at 7:30 p.m.

Game 8: No. 25 Miami (5-2) vs. FIU (4-5)

Date: Fri., Dec. 12, 2008 | Time: 7:30 p.m. (EST) | Site: BankUnited Center

TV: None | Radio: 560 WQAM, 1450 ESPN Deportes | Internet Video: None

Websites: Miami (www.hurricanesports.com) | FIU (www.fiusports.com)

Tickets: 1-800-GO-CANES


The Hurricanes kick off a three-game homestand with Friday's contest versus crosstown-rival FIU. Miami has won six of their last seven games at home and has won 10 of its last 11 non-conference games at the BankUnited Center.

Miami has won 28 of its last 31 games versus unranked non-conference opponents and 16 of its last 19 games overall at the BankUnited Center. Under head coach Frank Haith, Miami is 29-5 (.853) versus non-conference opponents at the BankUnited Center and 46-20 (.697) overall at home.


Friday marks the 13th game between Miami and FIU, with the Hurricanes leading the all-time series, 11-1 -- winning by an average of 17 points per game. UM has won five straight over the Golden Panthers, including a 67-53 win in their last meeting at FIU on Dec. 8, 2007.

Jack McClinton, Dwayne Collins and James Dews all made their Hurricane debuts in a 73-50 season-opening win over FIU on Nov. 11, 2006 at the BankUnited Center. Collins, who leads UM averaging 12.0 points and 10.5 rebounds in two games versus the Golden Panthers, became the first Hurricane to post a double-double in a debut since 1986 after finishing with 10 points and 12 rebounds in that win over FIU.

McClinton and Jimmy Graham also average double-figure scoring versus FIU, with 11.0 and 10.0 points, respectively.

ACC teams are 88-12 all-time versus teams from the Sun Belt.

Canes 2008-09 basketball schedule:

Date Opponent / Event Location Time / Result

11/01/08 vs. Florida Memorial ! Coral Gables, Fla. W, 71-43
11/08/08 vs. Barry ! Coral Gables, Fla. W, 76-43
11/15/08 vs. Florida Southern Coral Gables, Fla. W, 96-60
Paradise Jam
11/21/08 vs. Southern Miss St. Thomas, US Virgin Islands W, 70-60
11/23/08 vs. Connecticut St. Thomas, Virgin Islands L, 76-63
11/24/08 vs. San Diego St. Thomas, US Virgin Islands W, 80-45

11/29/08 vs. Stetson Coral Gables, Fla. W, 79-65

ACC/Big Ten Challenge
12/02/08 vs. Ohio State Coral Gables, Fla. L, 73-68

12/06/08 at Kentucky Lexington, Ky. W, 73-67
12/12/08 vs. Florida International Coral Gables, Fla. 7:30 p.m.
12/14/08 vs. Robert Morris Coral Gables, Fla. 1:00 p.m.
12/21/08 vs. Clemson * Coral Gables, Fla. 7:45 p.m.
12/27/08 at St. John's New York, N.Y. 12:00 p.m.
12/31/08 vs. North Florida Coral Gables, Fla. 2:00 p.m.
01/03/09 vs. North Carolina Central Coral Gables, Fla. 1:00 p.m.
01/05/09 vs. Florida Atlantic Coral Gables, Fla. 7:00 p.m.
01/10/09 at Boston College * Chestnut Hill, Mass. 7:00 p.m.
01/14/09 vs. Maryland * Coral Gables, Fla. 9:00 p.m.
01/17/09 at North Carolina * Chapel Hill, N.C. 9:00 p.m.
01/21/09 vs. Florida State * Coral Gables, Fla. 7:30 p.m.
01/25/09 vs. Virginia Tech * Coral Gables, Fla. 5:30 p.m.
01/27/09 at North Carolina State * Raleigh, N.C. 7:00 p.m.
01/31/09 at Maryland * College Park, Md. 8:00 p.m.
02/04/09 vs. Wake Forest * Coral Gables, Fla. 7:30 p.m.
02/07/09 at Duke * Durham, N.C. 1:30 p.m.
02/15/09 vs. North Carolina * Coral Gables, Fla. 7:45 p.m.
02/18/09 at Florida State * Tallahassee, Fla. 7:00 p.m.
02/21/09 vs. Boston College * Coral Gables, Fla. 12:00 p.m.
02/26/09 at Virginia * Charlottesville, Va. 8:00 p.m.
03/04/09 at Georgia Tech * Atlanta, Ga. 7:30 p.m.
03/07/09 vs. North Carolina State * Coral Gables, Fla. 12:00 p.m.

More from the UM web site:

The University of Miami men's & women's basketball teams have teamed up with the United States Marine Corps & the BankUnited Center to participate in the 2008 holiday Toys for Tots Program, to help collect toys for underpriviledged children this season.

The mission of the U.S. Marine Corps Reserve Toys for Tots Program is to collect new, unwrapped toys during October, November and December each year and distribute those toys as holiday gifts to needy children in the community in which the campaign is conducted. The primary goal of Toys for Tots is to deliver, through a shiny new toy during the holidays, a message of hope to needy youngsters that will motivate them to grow into responsible, productive, patriotic citizens and community leaders.

All fans that bring an unwrapped toy with them to any of the following games will receive a free ticket voucher for each unwrapped toy donated. For more information, or to order your game tickets, please call 1-800-GO-CANES or log on to hurricanesports.com.

Men's Games
Fri., Dec. 12 vs. FIU, 7:30 p.m.
Sun., Dec. 14 vs. Robert Morris, 1 p.m.

Women's Games
Sat., Dec. 13 vs. Binghamton, 1 p.m.
Sun., Dec. 21 vs. Grambling State, 2 p.m

From www.theacc.com...2008-09 basketball stats:

1. North Carolina 8 8-0 776 97.0
2. Wake Forest 8 8-0 684 85.5
3. Duke 9 8-1 735 81.7
4. Clemson 9 9-0 724 80.4
5. Georgia Tech 6 5-1 473 78.8
6. Virginia 6 3-3 460 76.7
7. Miami 7 5-2 529 75.6
8. Boston College 9 7-2 671 74.6
9. Maryland 8 6-2 581 72.6
10. NC State 5 4-1 354 70.8
11. Virginia Tech 9 5-4 629 69.9
12. Florida State 9 8-1 606 67.3

1. NC State 5 287 57.4
2. Wake Forest 8 499 62.4
3. Clemson 9 565 62.8
4. Duke 9 567 63.0
5. Florida State 9 572 63.6
6. Georgia Tech 6 382 63.7
7. Miami 7 446 63.7
8. Maryland 8 516 64.5
9. Boston College 9 590 65.6
10. Virginia Tech 9 594 66.0
11. North Carolina 8 533 66.6
12. Virginia 6 463 77.2

Top 10 point producers in the ACC:

1. Jeff Teague-WF SO 8 52 12 49 165 20.6
2. Gani Lawal-GT SO 6 49 0 21 119 19.8
3. Sylven Landesberg-VA FR 6 38 3 35 114 19.0
4. A.D. Vassallo-VT SR 9 62 25 21 170 18.9
5. Greivis Vasquez-MD JR 8 49 13 31 142 17.8
6. Toney Douglas-FS SR 9 48 18 42 156 17.3
7. Tyrese Rice-BC SR 8 37 15 48 137 17.1
8. Kyle Singler-DU SO 9 48 13 43 152 16.9
9. Jack McClinton-UM SR 7 36 17 25 114 16.3
10. Ty Lawson-NC JR 8 41 12 35 129 16.1

Top 10 rebounders in the ACC:

REBOUNDING Cl GP Off Def Total Avg/G
1. Gani Lawal-GT SO 6 22 46 68 11.3
2. Mike Scott-VA SO 6 30 32 62 10.3
3. Ben McCauley-ST SR 5 12 35 47 9.4
4. Trevor Booker-CU JR 9 31 53 84 9.3
5. Dwayne Collins-UM JR 7 23 42 65 9.3
6. Al-Farouq Aminu-WF FR 8 19 53 72 9.0
7. Alade Aminu-GT SR 6 21 32 53 8.8
8. Ed Davis-NC FR 8 19 51 70 8.8
9. Jeff Allen-VT SO 9 25 51 76 8.4
10. Chris Singleton-FS FR 9 21 52 73 8.1

ACC 3 point shot leaders:

1. A.D. Vassallo-VT SR 9 25 2.8
2. Terrence Oglesby-CU SO 9 24 2.7
3. Jack McClinton-UM SR 7 17 2.4

Hey MH what's up?


I know we are talking BB here but, I have to chime in on the Marve issue.

Let Marve go, he is Kyle Wright with better receivers. He bails out as soon as he sees the slightest hint of pressuure. Harris keeps his head on a swivel and goes through his progressions, his arm might not be as strong, but Joe Montana did have a strong arm, but he was accurate. No I'm not saying Harris is Montana but he can carry this team. Besides that there are a couple of good QB recruits left out there. What happen to the days when kids longed to just be a part of the U,waited their turn and maximize their potential. What has the U come to when we have to cater to mediocure talent. Have we lost our edge(swagger). There is no reason why we shouldn't have won 10 games this year, other than the fact that they insisted on catering to Marve rather than going with Harris who proved to be more calm and collected under pressure. That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it.


DA REAL DEAL 1 makes a strong case. Moreover, it is patently absurd that Marve would WANT to leave UM (and sit out another year). More to the point, perhaps, given his (on-field and off-field) performance to date, what major college program would want HIM (let alone PLAY him a lot)?

He's been given a great opportunity here at UM. And he showed great promise at times. (Then again, so did Kyle & Kirby). But, obviously, he failed to make the most of his role as starting QB. Apart from USF - which UM would not sanction - where is he going to go? Where does he have a better chance to play and/or start, apart from UM?

UM's disappointing WON/LOST record is certainly not ENTIRELY Marve's fault (as some die hard fans seem to suggest). And despite our disappointment with his TD/INT ratio (which is lackluster to say the least), many of us still want him to STAY at UM - and compete fairly for a starting job next year. If Jacory beats him out, let it be. He'll still be a damn good back up, which UM needs, given the self-evident potential for a QB injury. (By the way, what do you think Jacory's true weight is? Maybe 170; probably less.)

If any QB should be thinking about a transfer, it ought to be Cannon and/or Cook. Will these guys ever get a real shot at QB. Probably not! Not for another three years, at least. Maybe they're just not good enough? Maybe Cannon's too short? Maybe Cook's too slow? Maybe Shannon has invested too much in Marve & Jacory? Who knows?

BOTTOM LINE: Marve should stay; and he shouldn't be upset, if Jacory gets the chance to start next year. HE'S EARNED IT TOO!

PS. We want BRYCE! And a BUNCH of BIG linemen too!

So, are we a basketball school now?

Does anyone know where Dan Werner is coaching these days?

Does anyone know where Dan Werner is coaching these days?

Posted by: Cane-ex | December 12, 2008 at 12:05 PM

He the OC at ASU with Ericson

Thanks 8th!


Former UM OC Rich Olson is the current OC at ASU


A little detail about what Werner is trying to do these days...

after watching ryan collins , frank costa , scot covington and kenny kelly. as soon as i saw dorsey, i knew he was the real deal. not the strongest arm not the fast legs. he just had IT.
After seeing brock berlin, kyle wright , kirby freeman and now MARVE.
IT is just obvious to me that jacory harris is the best qb we have had here since dorsey.
FINALLY the future is now.


Canethang....I want you to know that I am not against Jacory in anyway. I love his poise and all the attributes he has that remind us all of Dorsey. I think the one main difference though that people are not talking about is that Dorsey played with a good OL. His left tackle for most of his career here was Bryan McKinney. Because of his OL, he was able to have more time to pick apart defenses. We obvioulsy will not have even close to the the OL we had in the early 2ks next year. Without a good OL, don't you think Jacory will struggle against good pass rushing defenses since he is not very mobile. I understand Marve has weaknesses but I truly beleive these weaknesses can be taught. Can you atleast please shut people up about comparing him to Wright when it comes to pressure. I understand Marve leaves the pocket early, but atleast he escapes. WHen Wright had pressure he would just fall down.

OK, Marve is Kyle Wright minus the "hit the deck" or "Throw it anywhere" But the fact still remains he had his chance he blew it, Give Harris the reigns, If he leaves he leaves. I just hope he takes Nix with him. He is really screwing up a lot of these guys careers and I think he knows that, that's why he's trying to get out of town, before the AX falls. We need the Offensive Co. from TTech. and Run the spread with Harris, Put points on the board then we won't get ball pushed down our throat like the GT game.

You also liked kenny kelly over dorsey

Do any one know the score from the Northwestern game?

Bryce is an animal, we need him. He's been compared to a BO Jackson-Emmitt Smith hybrid out here because of his speed and change in direction. Not getting him could set us back 10 years. He will diffinately help the passing game because teams will not be able to cheat with the run

10 years???? Brown is in Kansas playing against a bunch of kid's who su**, he might be good but I'll take a kid out of Florida 1st! A 5 10' 160 pound guy in Miami would never play but in Kansas he would be the biggest guy on the team and an all state player.

Wake up, look at all the sites. He's a top 10 player everywhere! Barry Sanders came out of Kansas. No u're game....

A kid 5-10 160 pounds would not be the biggest kid on the field in Kansas, have you seen the kids out there, they grow them big, and all this talk about football is sorry out there is crazy, you would be shocked at how good the football is out there.

troy i hear you,, but i disagree. jacory also had better rushing stats , marve would scramble for a yard or 2. marve carried the ball for 130 yards on 59 carries for an average of 2 yards, and one of his runs was 51 yards. i dont personally have anything against marve, but as a fan of the canes and the game of football. i feel marve was a huge failure. he turned the ball over way to much, he let the play break down by taking to long to make his read, then scrambles for a yard. about our OFFENSIVE LINE i think they would rate better if marve released the ball faster to a receiver. you should be able to make the read and the throw in under 3 seconds at this level.
i would say dorseys quick decision making helped his lineman look better. when your qb gets rid of the ball fast you dont give up sacks. kyle wright also held the ball to long and made the o-line look bad.. i would also make the point that poor qb play keeps our defense on the field to long. 3nout ,3nout, 3nout. our young defense just gets worn down by the lack of long drives for marve.

DA REAL 1 is right when he says: "There's no reason we shouldn't have one 10 games this year". I hang that on the coaching staff. Winning the game being played on the field now is the only goal that matters. CANES fans who think that the Dynasty will magically return one day soon are reading the wrong books. There is an urgency in every game, with every play...it is the urgency to win, before you become irrelevant. The football game is not a science lab. What happens now matters.

U guys are pathetic salivating and slobbering over recruits who might or might not ever come to Duh U. Is that ALL there is to talk about for cane fan? That's it? Nobody wants to break down the rumble between UM and the Cal Bears? Are U officially a basketball school now? What bad news awaits U in the next month?

U have a pee wee Athletic Director in Kirby Haircut. This guy couldn't sniff Jeremy Foley's nut sak. A local journalist noted that Foley is the "most powerful AD in the country." Foley doesn't get much glory but he does get a well earned 1.2 million dollars annually. He is a key element to UF's continued rise to dominance. Haircut? Not so much.

When will U realize that UF has all the tools to be dominant for the next decade. The momentum is still building in Gainesville as fan/booster support is still growing enormously, booster financial contributions are off the chart, championships are being piled up, and top recruits put UF on their short list. Florida's enormous commitment to football is showing on the field as the Gators already impressive depth continues to grow. It shouldn't be long before Foley is offering up a Saban-topping contract extension to Meyer. UM is wallowing in mediocrity with inept Randy Shannon. U will drop all that "we're BACK" nonsense in 09 as you continue to erode.

Hate on this quote from a story by Brian O'keefe of Fortune Magazine:
Florida is the most successful major sports program in the country. Before the Gators did it, no school had ever held NCAA titles in football and men's basketball at the same time. That doesn't happen without gobs of money, and thanks to the Gator Boosters, Florida has plenty. In 2006 the school's athletic department took in $82.4 million in revenue - that's No.1 one in the SEC and No. 5 in the country. (thats a level of success U will NEVER EVER SEE........EVERRRRRR!)

UM has -
~ rusty facility
~rusted fan base
~an unqualified head coach
~a fresh eviction notice
~a football program gutted by faculty (Paul Dee krapped on U while K Haircut is Donnas pup. She wears the pants)
~ enormous instability at QB
~ a depth chart that is still scary empty
~no signs of developing talent (see:marve)
~program wide erosion
~blowout losses in 08 & 09 that have become signatures

Randy's statuesque stoic demeanor on the sideline is to hide that he doesn't have a clue about what's happening with the flow of the game. Talking about a return to prominence while Shannon is driving the bus is laughable. It makes U look ignorant.

The EROSION will continue at Miami. U haven't seen the bottom yet. When Shannon FINALLY gets his pink slip, THEN you will know you have seen the bottom

You are more pathetic writing all that sh1t. Get your own blog stupid.

Wake up, look at all the sites. He's a top 10 player everywhere! Barry Sanders came out of Kansas. No u're game....

Posted by: Canewitchita | December 12, 2008 at 11:48 PM

And his brother was the TOP player ranked #1 in the country, he didn't even see the field this year. Who was in front of him??? Spence and Robinson, two other less recruited LB's from S.Fla!

Cane-ex, your a f*cking idiot. Good players come from all over the country, you stupid SOB. So you would have taken a Florida RB over Adrian Peterson? Jonathan Stewart? DeMarco Murray? LeSean McCoy?

As a matter of fact, the Hurricanes recruited 2 S. Fla RBs (Bobby Washington and Charlie Jones) the same year Adrian Peterson and Marshawn Lynch were being recruited. I'm sure you preferred the 2 S. Fla RBs over them, right? Where are those 2 scrubs now? Stop being such an ignorant Florida homer.

Lol...and you're judging Arthur Brown after 1 year? Are you kidding? By the way, Spence was not rated too far behind Brown.

So if Jacory starts the bowl game later this month, are you predicting for him to throw all over Cal?

Didn't get to see the FIU/UM basketball game. I know FIU did not have one starter play and then still hung with us for the first 10 mins. Did we move the ball around at all? Or were we having Lance Hurdle dribble till 8 seconds left on the shot clock and then give it to Jack so he could save us?



Posted by: canethang | December 13, 2008 at 04:08 PM

40+ points? Is this your first time watching this team? THey wouldn't score 40+ points on Cal in 2 games much less one.

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