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This and That: McKenzie, AA games, Gamble

DOLPHIN STADIUM -- Just wanted to wish the Eye On The U crew a Happy New Year -- even if things are a bit rocky these days in Caneland. Tonight, I'm where Randy Shannon was hoping his team would be this year: the Orange Bowl. God knows the BCS needs the Canes or Seminoles to start getting here more often. This place has plenty of seats still available.

By the way, win or lose tonight, the ACC has shown it really is a mediocre conference at best. 3-6? I'm beginning to wonder if the ACC really even deserves that automatic BCS bid anymore.

Jermaine_mckenzie> Just wanted to share my thoughts from the news today regarding Jermaine McKenzie's transfer to Memphis. Last month when I spoke to his father John he told me his son was very happy at Miami and didn't think his son would be going anywhere. Looks like a lot changed from then until now. Can't say I'm disappointed in Jermaine. He did the best thing he could for himself. He was never going to see the field at Miami, no matter what Shannon said. He has got too many studs in front of him and it wasn't fair to him to spend three to four years waiting to really see the field.

But he is going to see the field at Memphis. I just think J-Mac never recovered from his car accident. I kept getting the sense from coaches he was still playing with some fear in practice (how can you blame him after coming so close to paralysis?). It's a crying shame. J-Mac was one of the nicest kids I ever had to deal with. I would have loved to see him get a chance to really make a play this season. I'll be rooting for him with the Tigers.

> In case you already didn't know, you'll be able to catch a few Canes commitments and recruits the program is chasing on TV this weekend at the country's two biggest All-American games.

Cornerback Brandon McGee and running back Bryce Brown will be playing for the East at the U.S. Army-All American game in San Antonio Saturday at 1 p.m. on NBC. Two other potential Canes recruits will be announcing their college decisions on TV and playing for the East -- defensive tackle William Campbell (who has UM in his Top 3) and Ohio offensive tackle Marcus Hall. Playing for the west are QB A.J. McCarron (an Alabama commitment) and WR Rueben Randle. Of the four, UM's best shot is at Campbell.

Over in Orlando at the Under-Armour game, Miami will have two commitments playing Sunday night at 8 on ESPN. Cornerback Jamal Reid will represent the White team and defensive back Prince Kent will represent the black team. Other recruiting targets participating include offensive linemen Xavier Su'a Filo (white team) and Peter White (black team), and the Sanford trio -- receiver Andre DeBose, safety Ray Ray Armstrong and tight end/defensive end Dyron Dye. The feeling inside UM is they believe they'll land two-third of the Sanford trifecta -- Armstrong and Dye.

> I didn't get a chance yesterday to follow up on the 53-point beat down the Canes gave North Julian_gambleFlorida -- the largest margin of victory for a UM basketball team since the program was resurrected in 1985. I nearly fell asleep watching it. What kept me awake was watching Julian Gamble. The kid had 13 points and 13 rebounds to go with three blocks in 19 minutes. But it's more than his production, it's his fearlessness. One of the things his teammates say about Gamble is he's probably one of the most confident guys on the team. "Julian is a hard worker and he listens," Jack McClinton said. "When coach tells him something, he just goes out and does it. He doesn’t say anything back to him."

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Yeah it takes O-line and money, money money money, like USC had and paid players like Reggiew BUSH and who knows who else! I'm telling you that program is suspicious!

By the way, when are the idiotic SEC fans going to stop that SEC chant everytime one of their teams plays outside of the conference and wins?

I mean they play outside their conference so rarely that if they win for themits like fri--ing novelty! Ole Miss beat up on TTU. I do agree now, TTU is overrated. They have no running game. They can be shut down, but youhave to outscore them.

By the way SEC fans: Wake beat Ole Miss. So there! ACC! ACC! ACC! WHO THE F---CARES ABOUT THE ACC.

ex-cane, you're dreaming.

We may land a FEW but certainly not 5 - 6 (of the TOP rated linemen). However, we ought to be concerned . . VERY concerned. Apart from the nonqualifier Johnson, and the retread Washington, UM is NOT the TOP CHOICE for any of thje TOP RATED offensicwe linemen, which we DESPERATELY need.

As such, UM may have to be satisfied with "sloppy seconds" . . . more projects . . . more eventual busts. (How do you spell SYMONETTE?)

I'm worried!

Neverthless, keep the faith brother! If the OC situation is quickly and favorably resolved, RS may land some big fish.

I hope so anyway. After all, even false hope is better than no hope at all.

O-line is a difficult issue, always has been and always will be. The state of Florida isn't well known for stud linemen, and those that are top-notch end up oddly enough going to the school least likely to showcase their talent (Florida). We've never pulled in top linemen, what we've done is take diamonds in the rough and second rate linemen and coached them up in a strong system.

Quick, name an offensive lineman from Miami in the pros lol. Romberg had a stint at center, and I think there was one other on the Eagles for a bit.

It's tough, but when you think of where the nexus is for OL (midwest), Miami is about as far away from it as you can get.

That being said, whatever new OL we bring in, we may see the same effect as with other positions this year: the new players come in and quickly out-perform Coker's Kids. It won't be easy though, as OL isn't something where you can just plug a new guy in -- a lot of cohesion has to be developed. It is probably one of the hardest units to coach and learn in.

I just heard on the sports radio show up here in Tampa from an interview with Robert Marve's high school coach that Miami has agreed to widen the number of schools Robert wants to transfer to. I think that is the right thing to do since coaches can leave schools at the drop of a dime and the kids can't transfer.

Someone has to look out for the kid's interest b/c the NCAA does not give a d_mn about the kids when for whatever reason they want to leave. Yes, I said kid b/c these football players are still kids even though we try to hold them to adult standards. College is the time they are learning to become adults.

rumor has is that Major Applewhite was on campus today..anyone hear the same news?????

Uh, Bryant McKinnie, one of the best OT's in teh game

Good call nate, forgot about Bryant McKinnie. Though, looking at his history, he started as a DT, played JuCo and switched to OL. So really, coached up/uncovered diamond in the rough.

When we did take 5-starts outta HS, we got burned, no?

True, Reggie Youngblood should/would have been a stud, sad to see him bust.

Also, Winston looks to be a stud for the Texans, but he was also a TE out of HS

Remember recruting Matt Patchan too? He ended up converting to D-line. Is it offensive line in general, or just Miami, that getting/playing OL is so screwy?

Robert Marve's dad: I have cancer and want my son close.

Miami is pretty close . . . a lot closer than places like Baton Rouge, Knoxville, etc. Why then is Marve in such a hurry to transfer?

Nevertheless, my prayers and best wishes go out to Robert Marve and his family. BUT YOU CAN FORGET ABOUT PLAYING ANYWHERE IN FLORIDA.

Including the bowls, the SEC is 5-6 against the ACC. Vandy beat BC, but lost to Duke and Wake. LSU beat GT, but GT beat Georgia at Georgia.

Seems to me like the bowls prove what the regular season proved this year-- the ACC and the SEC are relatively equal, the SEC just has one dominant team (or should I say 1 dominant player).

bryant mckinnie was the #7 overall pick in the draft a few yrs ago at OLINE for the U. We r in on Jared Wheeler, 3 star kid from Plantation, and maybe we get lucky this weekend with some verbals. RATINGS ARENT ALL THAT GUYS---Lots of 3 stars become studs, 5s become duds--Our own Reggie YOungblood was a 5 star, #1 olineman coming out of high school 4 yrs ago, well, ? YA NEVER KNOW ABOUT RECRUITS? Lee chambers was a 3 star on rivals, yet and ESPN 150 player, he sure looked good the other night. Kirby Freeman was a 4 star. So guys, randy knows the type of kids he is looking to get, we dont need the 5 stars to succeed. Look at Notre Dame, Charlie weis is going on his 5th recruiting class of top 10, some were top 3 classes, yet they look horrible(dont count hawaii as turning it around). You gator fanes, your famed Urban meyer in 4 seasons with all that talent has had a 3 loss and a 4 loss season. Plus, unlike this yrs blowouts, their Nat champ yr, they won like 5 games in the last seconds. This was his best team. BUT, what I am getting at , is with all the top 4 and 5 stars on UF, they lost 3 in his 1st yr, 2nd yr they could have lost 5-6 games--I mean a blocked extra pt, fumble -they won alot of last second games. his 3rd yr, last yr, they lost 4 games. SO, again, Urban is god now, BUT, had the gators lost just 3 of those 5-6 games they won in the last second in 2006, he would have been on the firing block this yr. SO, jimmy johnson's classes were always ranked in the teams to 20[s for recruits, but, he went after the kid he can mold. Even the famed 2001, 2002 teams for the U, the 98.99 recruiting class rank from butch I think was in the teens. Randy has us on the right track, we r not just stockpiling star rating like the gators, they just have tebow--- take tebow away, next yr with the same talent--THEY LOSE 5 or more. THE U WILL BE FINE, and watch randy pull off some magic by feb and us finish in the top 5 again

You don't think that LSU is a dominant team?
You don't think that ALABAMA is a dominant team?
What planet do you live on?

Okay, the ACC is not as BAD as advertised. However, no way is the ACC as GOOD as the SEC.

nemo2002: I hate to say this because it sounds like such an *sshole thing to say, but I EM is using that as an excuse now. If the valid point behind RM transferring was to be closer to home, nobody would have blinked. Lots of kids transfer to be back with their family no questions asked. All Marves would have had to do is go to the school, say that is the reason, and the school would have released him no stipulations (except maybe ACC/USF/UCF/FIU -- again, b/c they're scheduled).

Going around behind the school's back, shopping your kid, having it blow up in your face AND THEN saying it's b/c you want him closer to home rings a little hollow...

Lots of 3 stars become studs, 5s become duds

True. However, today the elite programs - like UF, ALABAMA, OHIO STATE, OKLAHOMA, LSU - stay on top, because they reign in the most top rated recruits.

Recruiting is much more of a science today than it was 10 or 20 years ago. Over the long-term, you can't develop and sustain NC-caliber teams with local talent, nor with a bunch of 3 stars, or a bevy of projects.

ESPN BLOG---pasted

Wide receiver Andre Debose, safety Ray Ray Armstrong and defensive end Dyron Dye are all making announcements this week. Most of the scuttlebutt on Wednesday said that all signs point toward Debose to Florida. If this comes to pass, he's an outstanding fit to the Gators offensive system, a gamebreaking receiver with outstanding athleticism and speed.

The other two appear to be headed for Miami.

COULD BE A SMOKE SCREEN WITH DEBOSE-who we need the most, more than UF, and hed have a much easier path at early PT at the U, with all the playmakers UF has. Just like the NW players last yr, and lakeland to uf in 07, if 2 r heading to the U, I am calling it. maybe debose picks us also. If we land all 3, thats HUGE GENTLEMEN------HUGE-

Lots of 3 stars become studs, 5s become duds

True. However, today the elite programs - like UF, ALABAMA, OHIO STATE, OKLAHOMA, LSU - stay on top, because they reign in the most top rated recruits.

Recruiting is much more of a science today than it was 10 or 20 years ago. Over the long-term, you can't develop and sustain NC-caliber teams with local talent, nor with a bunch of 3 stars, or a bevy of projects.

Posted by: nemo2002 | January 02, 2009 at 07:19 PM

YOU ARE CORRECT----last yr, we were above those teams with the 4-5 star studs. And, with whom we have now, again we have alot of talent coming in, with 5 espn 150 players. We need those 3 from seminole, and they just won state 2gether, so I dont think they split up. Remember streeter and ben jones last yr,, and signed with us at the last minute. Keep the fingers crossed, if we get debose, with the other 2, that makes this class.

In Florida, Texas and California, local talent may not be sufficient to compete at the national level but is definitely necessary. It also makes sense economically (i.e. it's cheaper to recruit local talent hard than it is to recruit talent across the country).

First off I hope RM's dad will be ok, my prayers are the Marve's.

Name me one transfer that has been successful at their new school. They are few and far between. I can't think of any. RM's restrictions are all about playbook and playbook tendencies and negotiation leverage. The playbook and playbook tendencies are not necessarily about the player or the school the player goes to, but it's more about common opponents. That's it period.

O-Line is a difficult part of the puzzle for all teams. Unless your running the A-11 Offense which requires no O-Linemen, you need quality O-Linemen and a lot of them. USC, now rotates 10 to 15 per game (they run UM's Pro-Set O). UM, when they are winning, rotate 10 to 15 O-Line. Over the yrs the "U" has been notorious at converting "mean and nasty" D-Linemen to "mean and nasty" O-Linemen when they've had the depth.

Regarding the new OC; all I've heard is that 3 quality and very interesting names - have been spoken to. And all have responded positively to the opp.

So, it sounds like a pick'em and let's to it. But, I don't have the names. All I was told - is that anyone of them would be a "surprising and excellent choice."

Go Canes!

"What Shannon and his staff did last year, by bringing in the No. 1 class, really went by without a lot of fanfare." - MN

..... Because a 5 Star recruit's potential automatically degrades 2.5 Stars under Randy "Scapegoat U" Shannon

ZERO COACHING CAPACITY

Regarding the new OC; all I've heard is that 3 quality and very interesting candidates have been spoken to. And all have responded positively to the opp.

1) Our Water Boy
2) Our Laundry Guy
3) Our Bus Driver

PROMOTE WITHIN U, 12-13 IS A SUCCESS

You know what would work great, kids would love it because of who he coached and the offense he coached, and he just got fired. MIKE MARTZ-- The greatest show on turf, the warm weather, he is gettin up their in age so maybe he would want a position like this. With a good young QB, besides the RB's we have, 2 of the top 10 and #1 overall is ocming in(marshall faulk), and the WR studs we have already, especiaally if we land a debose or randle, and we have or 6 ft 5 Tommy streeter next yr for the red zone and jump balls, would be a perfect hire. I mean perfect. Do U all agree? If Mike Martz were to sign on, and you are an offensive recruit, knowing he loves to go up and down the field , and he was a pro coach, would you come to the U? He is my choice. Pay the guy what he was making at the NFL, or pay him the same as Shannon, and we r set. by the way, Randy was saying in an interview on the radio last week with Joe rose that money is not a problem to sign someone. MIKE MARTZ

I HEAR UM COMMITT PRINCE KENT IS TEARING S___T UP IN ORLANDO AT THE UNDER ARMOR ALL AMERICA PRACTICES. I HAVE TO APPOLOGIZE BECAUSE I DID NOT THINK HE WAS A BONOFIDE CORNERBACK AT 6'3, 195. LOOKS LIKE RANDY SHANNON AND CREW HAS FOUND A DIAMOND. WE WILL ALL SEE SUNDAY NIGHT,I GUESS.

it would be nice to have debose but do we really need him honestly but now for ray armstong just say this i see sean taylor all the way now he will be a nice fit for the hurricanes

that true ron about kent what number he will be wearing in the game but ray armstrong that next sean taylor i seen sean taylor play in high school i thou it was the same person jus wearing a different unform remember that name alot of people talk about debose this but ray armstrong with the U that boast are secondy a hold lot

utah is handing it to Bama right now 14-0

21-0, maybe Utah should be playin for the national title. Just for the sake of arguing.

As I've posted before a lot of these so called canes fans bashing UM and RS are just gators and FSU fans in disguise.

Like - "canesrule 9 'ships" - This is a known Gator fan. She brags thru her posts at Gator blogs.

I don't like what I see at UM because U guy's are winning the recruiting wars in South Florida.

But, I'm not going to hide behind a "blog comment" trying to show a "false dis-like among the troops."

Yea, I see there are some Coker hangers on. They still don't "get it" when it comes to his total recruiting screw up.

I liked what he did, hell we've done great in recruiting SF since. But, now with RS ... our numbers are coming down ... quickly.

You see, the kicker here - the true telling of the tape is this - ANY TRUE CANES FAN hates the GATOR. And any pain in our a^^ a TRUE CANES fan can deliver, a TRUE CANES FAN will deliver it!

Well, RS is delivering it and those that are blind to this are either; not true canes fans, college football ignorant or both.

GO GATOR BEAT SOONERS

Aw gatorfan2, you're gonna make me get a soft spot for UF lol. I went into this season expecting 7-5. We started off pretty hot and I was ecstatically thinking we'd go 9-3. Long story short, even though it was disappointing at first to finish 7-5, it's a pretty remarkable turnaround in 2 years.

People don't remember much about it, but our team was pretty much in shambles when Coker was forced out. So bad, that we had a 33-person recruiting class in 2008 (numbers change a bit to prep school, but still)! It's even more surprising when you realize how many scholarships were offered at some key positions such as WR. Recall that in 2007, we didn't even have some positions on the depth chart filled! A D1 school, with open spots on the depth chart! And not some little school in east bumf*#k...MIAMI!

Yeah, RS deserves criticism for some things -- he's no sage or saint. But give him a break on where the program is. Had Coker stayed on for an additional year, we'd really know what a dump he'd left it.

ATXcane, as I've said in previous posts I follow UM and FSU as well. I'm more about the state schools than I am about the SEC Conference.

Also living in the Keys I've had the opp to speak to JJ on occasion. Were not buddies but we do run into one another every once in a while.

I respect JJ as a coach and football guy. And man this guy is a hard core Canes fan. He is in contact with RS daily and really pushed the admin to hire RS.

That's so unique about UM ... the brotherhood. Actually, when Pete Carroll was there in 2000 and 2001 studying the UM Pro Style Offense, he told JJ in a phone call, that the thing he wanted was Brotherhood.

He couldn't believe the number Alumni using the facilities, the strength coaches and working out all - off season from the NFL. He thought it was great. And Coker tried to stop this as well. Man, I wish Coker was still there.

Yea, I know what it was like and RS has done a remarkable job. Too bad for me. Oh well.

By the way Comrade Shalalalala, has reiterated that money is no object with respect to the Offensive Coordinator hire or football hires in general.

ATXcane, mark my words, in the next 2 to 3 years UM will be equal to or better than UF in national football prominence. Meyer will leave sometime within this time period, because he won't be able to dominate the recruiting wars with UM and FSU in the state of Florida. And then my Gators are back to one of those decade long periods of mediocrity we seem to fall into.

You need to circle the troops ATXcane and don't let the haters control the blogs.

Go Gator Beat the Sooners!

gaterfan2 i respect your knowledge of the recruting wars alot of ppl don't know that there were some bonds cut within south florida highschool when coker took over now that RS is the HC he is making those ties back and stronger and loved how you unmasked this UM BASHER OF canesrule9 ships i've seen a few of her bashings on other blog sites as well but as far as i'm concerned we have to see what Randy can do with a full 4 yr just because Coker won a championship dosen't mean anything look at how horrible we were once known as QB U we just had two last year that were startes no depth at w/r our core was darrel jenkins lance leggit and ryan moore and sinorce moss count leggit out because of injury and moore but he never solidified depth something pete carrol has and plenty of at any position that is something RS knows we need like i said before RS seen what the U was turning into under Coker regime now he has to clean it up and is making a cancer and that cancer is smart agressive football yes RS made mistakes it is his first year coaching but its not like he walked in with a 2009 bently coupe for the true U FANS (LIKE jaime,don,canesfan2,gatorfan2,atxcane) and the others you know just as well as i know we will be back hopefully with RS leading the way but regardless what happens we will be back. U KNOW THE U IS A PROBLEM SO COME SOLVE IT

Posted by: Atlanta Cane | January 02, 2009 at 09:43 AM
"Love how Georgia Tech got destroyed by a mediocore SEC team that is rebuilding.

Yes that is the same Georgia Tech team that ran for over 500 yards against Miami."

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That IS scary. We had NO clue that game, not the players to stop it. Even considering it'a bowl game, it is significant that we were so easily defeated by Tech. All on the ground.
Of all out losses,that is the most telling.
Our linebackers must get bigger. Spence is terrific, but his mates around him need run stopping ability, and our coaching must improve.
Next year's schedule is even harder.
8-4 plus a bowl win would be acceptable, as long as we don't get pushed around again.


Posted by: Atlanta Cane | January 02, 2009 at 09:43 AM
"Love how Georgia Tech got destroyed by a mediocore SEC team that is rebuilding.

Yes that is the same Georgia Tech team that ran for over 500 yards against Miami."

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That IS scary. We had NO clue that game, not the players to stop it. Even considering it'a bowl game, it is significant that we were so easily defeated by Tech. All on the ground.
Of all out losses,that is the most telling.
Our linebackers must get bigger. Spence is terrific, but his mates around him need run stopping ability, and our coaching must improve.
Next year's schedule is even harder.
8-4 plus a bowl win would be acceptable, as long as we don't get pushed around again.

Just finished watching the Army All-American game and Bryce Brown looked really good. But according to the commentators, he is having second thoughts about coming to the U. According to them Arthur(his brother) has told him to start to recruting process from scratch and to make sure that the U is recurting him as a RB and not for another position. Looks like RS is trying to move Arthur to another position and he's just warning his brother. Manny what are the chances that Bruce Brown acutally decommitts and goes to Oregon? The feeling that I get is that there is a real good chance especially since he looks like a good RB for a spread offense since he catches the ball so well form the backfield.

What's going on Manny? I haven't posted in a while! Hopefully you and your family had a great holiday! I am disappointed about the Marve transfer. I wish Marve the best wherever he goes! However, I am glad to see Jacory Harris get his chance. Randy is right Miami will be just fine!
I watched every game this year and thought Jacory did well. I just hope Randy finds a coordinator that is a good fit for the athletes Miami currently has. I look forward to coming down next season for the home opener against Florida A&M.(Never to early to plan)! Go Canes!!!!!!
Keep us posted on the Offensive Coordinator position! Keep the good work Manny!!!

Don't be surprised if U have never heard of the new OC.

But, remember how you felt when JJ was hired.

Jimmy who?

Go Canes!

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