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Vernon ready & other burning recruiting questions

With only three weeks left before National Signing Day, the recruiting rumor wire is going bananas.

Bryce Brown talk is at a fever pitch. Is Rivals.com's new No. 1 national player sticking with the Canes or heading elsewhere?

Does Miami have a chance at getting receiver Reuben Randle, the country's No. 2 overall recruit? Or will he stick with those SEC schools in his backyard?

Are the Canes going to lose any other recruits now that tight end Billy Sanders (UCLA) was the first one to jump ship? Will Kayvon Webster, Luther Robinson, or [gasp] will Brown be next?

All of those are nice burning questions for you recruiting junkies. Here's one at least that looks like it will Olivier_vernonfinally be resolved: Defensive end Olivier Vernon told me he's made a final decision and will announce it Thursday at 12:30 p.m. at his school. Vernon, a 6-3, 240-pound defensive end at American High in Miami, was one of the first players to commit to Randy Shannon's 2009 signing class last August. But he's been flirting with Alabama and Florida State ever since. While UM expects Vernon to begin taking classes Jan. 20, I was told by someone last night Vernon still hasn't given the Canes his final notice he's really coming.

I finally got down to chatting with Olivier last night -- two weeks after he told me he had planned to make a decision. Why was he holding out? To allow Bama's Nick Saban, FSU's Chuck Amato and Shannon to make in-home visits. Each made a different pitch. Vernon said Saban talked about how 'Bama could use him as a hybrid linebacker/defensive end; Amato talked about FSU's tradition and academics; Shannon didn't even talk about football, preferring to stick to life. Now, Vernon says he's ready.

"I already know where I'm going, I'm just got to let everybody else know on Thursday," Vernon said. "I just wanted to decide on the best school. All I really care about is going to the school where I think I have the best chance at winning a national championship at."

> Much the same way Vernon needed some extra time before making his final decision, Bryce_brownBryce Brown needs some time, too. According to reports from Canestime and Canesport, Brown is waiting to see who UM hires as its next offensive coordinator and waiting to plan his final recruiting visit for either Jan. 23 or 30th so he can meet and greet the new coordinator. The good news? Now, you can follow this saga all on your own. According to Canesport, Brown's mentor, Brian Butler is building a webpage at www.potentialplayers.com so fans can track Brown's latest thoughts. Amazing how far we've come in recruiting isn't it?

> Defensive back Prince Kent, who was supposed to graduating early, is holding off on enrolling at UM until the summer time. I spoke with his mother Bernetta Walker this afternoon who told me Prince_kentPrince needed some extra time to pass an online trigonometry class and fell behind because of football (the Under Armour All-American game). Kent, who grew up following his mother who was in the U.S. Army, has spent most of his life trying to rally his academics after falling a bit behind when his mother was stationed in Hawaii. But, he's been working with UM's academic department throughout the recruiting process to make sure his academics are in order. Prince is retaking the SAT soon to try and score higher than 1,000. "Our plan is to have all our paperwork in hand by the time we head down there for signing day," Walker said.

> Scratch Michigan standout and tight end Dion Sims off the Canes' list of potential recruits. Sims, rated Rivals.com's 7th best recruit, committed to Michigan State Tuesday. He was supposed to be visiting the Canes on Jan. 23, but those plans now look nixed. Sims picked Michigan State in part because he also hopes to play basketball. You can't blame the Canes for not trying to sell both sports. I spoke with Frank Haith Monday, who told me he and Shannon have spoken in the past and present about potential recruits playing in both sports. "We definitely work together when we've had to," Haith said. "[Assistant] Jorge [Fernandez] has made calls to kids when he's had to and I definitely know the kids they were looking at recently were good enough to play basketball for us, too, if they wanted."

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Good stuff, Manny. What's your gut telling you about Vernon?

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1st... I mean 4th...

Thanks for all the info Manny.

So tomorrow at 12:30 we find out about Vernon, recruiting season is bad for the heart.

everyone needs to relax, bryce will be a cane mark it down

Manny: Any insight at all on the OCs? A shortlist? Is Steve Logan in the mix because he was passed up for BC head coach? Chuck Long, Mitch Browning, etc?

lets get Jimmy Johnson as OC and bring back the swagger

Seems like the only reason you would announce anything is if you had something new to announce. My gut is screaming decommit.

This recruiting class is falling apart and in a hurry

Watchu talkin' 'bout, Willis?

We just landed 2/3 of the Seminole trio, and now our class is falling apart?

WTF, back at ya!

Didn't UF just have THREE decommits? They are falling apart faster than we are, don't cha think?

"Seems like the only reason you would announce anything is if you had something new to announce. My gut is screaming decommit."
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Yep!

I'm not trashing the kid, but why would a Vernon say he wants to go to a school where he has the best chance to win a championship, especially considering he's not coming from championship pedigree at American High? I mean i understand wanting to win the ship, but why would that be more important than choosing a school the gives you the balance of academics along the best opportunity to prepare you for the NFL?

If he just wants to win a ship, he should go to USC or Ohio State because they are traditional powers, who usually have the best chance to make the championship game.

It is all about the U!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't think our class is falling apart but I am worried. Hopefully we'll pull through. This is one of Randy's most difficult's periods as HC by far.

If he just wants to win a ship, he should go to USC or Ohio State because they are traditional powers, who usually have the best chance to make the championship game.

Posted by: Y_Lee | January


I agree I went to American High myself and the closet the ever came to winning a title was back in 1985. American has been a doormat to Carol City, Northwestern & Central since 4-ever. For a kid that didn't even play this year, I hope his head is in the right place!

Ask Ray Lewis what matters most: A College Ring or NFL Ring & NFL Dollars?

We need to hire a OC real soon because we may miss the boat on some of these players that we really need if we don't.

Lil Waller & Bandit Feinroth where you at? I need you to chime in on this!

I think this guy Mitch Browning is looking good for an OC. And KJ I graduated from American in 1995. We won District that yr and lost in the playoffs on one of the last plays in a game against Northwestern. Even got some USA today votes that year. NW team won state the next yr.

Here is some Mitch Browning info:

Mitch Browning is entering his eighth season at Minnesota and his 19th season serving under head coach Glen Mason. Browning has worked under Mason at Kent State, Kansas and Minnesota. He was named co-offensive coordinator in February of 2000 and will work with counterpart Tony Petersen on the record-breaking Minnesota offense for the fifth consecutive year.

Under Browning and Petersen, the Gophers posted one of the most prolific offensive seasons in Big Ten history in 2003. Minnesota set a Big Ten record for total offense (6,430) and finished with the fourth-highest rushing total (3,759) and sixthhighest point total (503) in Big Ten history. On top of those marks, the Gophers also set new school records in several other categories including: touchdowns (66), rushing touchdowns (46), yards-per-play (6.6), completion percentage (61.3%), first downs (326) and 500-yard games (7). Minnesota led the Big Ten and finished among the NCAA leaders in rushing offense (3rd, 289.2 ypg), total offense (4th, 494.6 ypg) and scoring offense (7th, 38.7 ppg) last season.

Browning was recognized for his work and the success of the Gophers' offense in 2003 as he was selected as a finalist for the Frank Broyles Award, given annually to the top football assistant coach at the NCAA Division I level.

During Browning's reign, the Gophers' offense has succeeded by finding a way to effectively mix the run with the pass. Minnesota joins Miami (FL) as the only teams over the past five seasons to both rush and pass for over 2,000 yards each year. The Gophers have also finished among the top 35 in total offense in the nation the past five seasons.

In 2002, the Gophers' offense reached new heights, tying a school record for touchdowns in a season with 45 and by moving the chains at an alarming rate, recording a single- season school record of 268 first downs. The Gophers also had two players (Terry Jackson II & Thomas Tapeh) each tally at least 900 yards rushing on their way to finishing with the third-highest rushing average in the ground-oriented Big Ten (209.8 ypg).

In 2001, the Gophers owned the second-best rushing attack in the Big Ten at 217.2 yards per game. Minnesota averaged a school record 429.1 yards per game in 2000 and posted the second-best passing attack in the BigT en (232.2 ypg). They also finished second in the conference and 11th in the nation in pass efficiency (140.7). In 1999, the Minnesota offensive unit ranked second in the Big Ten and 11th in the nation in rushing offense (227.2) and third in the Big Ten and 14th in the nation in total offense (410.2).

Along with his coordinator duties, Browning is also responsible for the tight ends and tackles, whom he has worked with since 1999. He had previously served as the tight ends coach/recruiting coordinator in both 1997 and 1998, in which the Gophers signed outstanding recruiting classes both years. A versatile coach, Browning has coached seven different positions during his 26-year coaching career.

Browning aided Ben Utecht (2000-03) in becoming a two-time All-Big Ten selection and one of the premier tight ends in the country. Utecht owns the career record for receptions (83) and receiving yards (1,211) by a tight end and is ranked among the top 15 all-time in school history in those categories. Browning, a Perrysville, Ohio, native, has also made the offensive tackle position one of prominence and stability at Minnesota. Last season, Gopher tackles helped limit the opposition to the fewest sacks (16) in the Big Ten and former tackles Jake Kuppe and Jeremiah Carter along with current tackle Rian Melander have all earned All-Big Ten recognition under Browning.

Browning was also the tight ends coach/recruiting coordinator on Mason's staff at Kansas from 1995-96. Prior to that, he was the Jayhawks' outside linebackers coach from 1991-94 and the school's defensive secondary coach from 1988-90. In addition, he served as the offensive coordinator/quarterbacks/tight ends coach at Kent State from 1985-87 and the wide receivers/ quarterbacks coach for the Golden Flash from 1983-84.

In 1982, Browning was a graduate assistant wide receivers coach while Mason was the offensive coordinator at Ohio State when the Buckeyes averaged 425.1 yards per game and went 9-3 overall with a win in the Holiday Bowl.

Browning began his collegiate coaching career in 1979 as a graduate assistant at Miami (Ohio). He then became the wide receivers coach as a part-time assistant at North Carolina State in 1980-81 where he coached Mike Quick, who went on to become a first round draft pick of the NFL's Philadelphia Eagles and an eventual five-time NFL All-Pro selection.

Browning is a 1979 graduate of Capital (Ohio) University, where he was a four-year starter at linebacker during his collegiate career and an All-Ohio Athletic Conference selection as a senior.

Browning is married to the former Jane Grey Baldwin

Don't get me wrong about Bryce Brown. I know he's the man and will be an immediate impact wherever he does go. But all this chaos surrounding everything is making him sound a little diva-ish. I'll probably catch some heat for saying that. But when people hear about how great they sometimes it back fires. I hope we get him and I hope he has a great college career. But in my opinion the hype is getting a little crazy. On the flip side I can also see why he said Shannon getting a good
O-coordinator is really important. That is understandable. Get to it Shannon!

"Don't get me wrong about Bryce Brown. I know he's the man and will be an immediate impact wherever he does go."But all this chaos surrounding everything is making him sound a little diva-ish!"

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I agree!

I'm not trying to be harsh, but he has not played a down of College Football yet and look what happened to Aurthur when he hit the big time. Sometimes, it does take time to adjust to another level. I know running back is a lot easier to adjust to compared to linebacker. But, I'm just saying......Go Canes!

What would you people rather have, Randy rush to name an OC to please some teenage kid, who may or may not pan out, or take his time and get an OC that will help us win games for years to come?

However, having said, Randy could be a little a bit more transparent about this process to create a buzz around here and nationally. Leak names, drop some names, something so the masses have something to chew on. I can understand why this utter silence is unsettling for some of these youngsters. But, I would still rather have him be deliberate about this than rush in like with Nix. Plus, you have to remember, his job may ultimately depend on this hire.

Love Mitch Browning. Had a great running attack that would open up the pass against some good defenses. They had a sick offense in 2003.

Imagine Browning with our athletes?

Manny,

What influence, good or bad, does Arthur Brown still have in his brother's decision. That hasn't been talked about lately.

I don't he should rush getting an O-coordinator at all. But, the way does things so discreetly all time. To the kids it looks like we're kind of lacking. Which in return could hurt us in recruiting. I just want him to make the RIGHT choice..

I think it's kind of looking like Arthur Brown
may not be part of the decision. But hell, remember last year when Jacory still went out to Oregon for a visit and played us for a hot minute. Grrrrrrrr, I hate recruiting time!

So Manny, now that Kent is no longer an EE, who are our EEs? I know Jermaine Johnson is one, but who else? Gavin Hardin I'm hearing is an academic casualty.

spyhazard- Right on- I said the same thing yesterday. The antics of these "recruits" are getting out of hand. Simply out of control. With verbal commitments, de-commitments, going back on your word, reneging, teasers, and showboating. All for kids who haven't done crap at the D-1 level. Remember: FOR ALL WE KNOW THESE KIDS COULD BE BUSTS! BUSTS! DO THESE NAMES RING A BELL?:

-TYRONE MOSS- ALL EVERYTHING IN SOUTH FL- FLASHES OF BRILLIANCE BUT OVERALL BUST.
-CHARLIE JONES
-LANCE LEGGETT
-RYAN MOORE

Hey I hope- I really really hope Bryce comes to the U,along with the other studs mentioned. But if they don't life will go on.


I think Brandon McGee is coming early. He's ready to be a Cane. I wish all recruits had his attitude.

Brandon Washington is coming early too.

No OC at U, I agree. I am fine with Shannon taking his time (and I think there will be more of a buzz once we move out of phase 1 and into phase 2 - that is brainstorming names to actually interviewing coaches and narrowing the list down), but he needs to do a better job of letting people know what is going on!

I think we lost Olivier. The most likely team in the immediate future to win a championship from the ones he's considering is not Miami. If he's thinking 2-3 years down the road, then we're good. Otherwise he's probably a goner.

first off...you guys always worrying about being "first",don't you have jobs,employed etc..second,i can't believe most on here are so obsessed about if a high school "kid" is going to change his mind..let it go,one kid will not make or break this team..

first off...you guys always worrying about being "first",don't you have jobs,employed etc..second,i can't believe most on here are so obsessed about if a high school "kid" is going to change his mind..let it go,one kid will not make or break this team..

first off...you guys always worrying about being "first",don't you have jobs,employed etc..second,i can't believe most on here are so obsessed about if a high school "kid" is going to change his mind..let it go,one kid will not make or break this team..

If we lose Bryce Brown it would be like losing out on Adrian Peterson and Reggie Bush.

I don't think anybody on here is obsessed about any high school kid. We're just talking recruiting. It is a message board, and the headline is about recruiting. Just talk..... But I do agree with the "first" thing. Do people really get excited about that?

catastrophic.

It would be big to lose Brown. I will not deny that. But I'm sorry, you can't just drop names like Bush, and Peterson when this kid has not played down yet. That's just crazy.

We need a OC soon..

I love the Canes and all but if I am Bryce Brown I will be focused on 2 names: LeSean McCoy and Craig Cooper. 3 years ago, those 2 players were the top 2 prep school running backs in the Nation. They were ranked 1 and 1A. They were both committed to the University of Miami. Cooper came while LeSean de-committed. Today LeSean declared for the NFL draft and is projected as a late 1st round/early 2nd Round pick; Craig Cooper on the other hand has shown signs of greatness to begin each of his seasons at Miami and as each of the seasons unfolded his progression as a player stalled. I love the Canes. I repeat I love the Canes, but I want to believe that Bryce Brown is looking to make it at the next level and based on that I would advise him to find a another program. No Miami RB has made an NFL team since 2003. Miami has had 5-Star after 5-Star RB recruits come though since then and they have all fizzled since they got here. Hey Bryce, those Running Backs you see making millions playing on Sunday that came through the “U” were coached by Don Soldinger. Btw, Coach Soldinger is not on this staff. If you want to make it to the pro it would be in your best interest to find a program that has a sane coaching staff.

spyhazard, if Arthur Brown played at UF he would have played this year. Please tell me you don’t think there is a reason Shannon hides practices. If you watched practice you would ask Shannon to get fired because his reason for playing guys isn’t entirely based on how well you produce on the field.

Now that Sam Bradford is coming back for Oklahoma, what the over and under on the score Margin when the Sooners descend on us in September.

Yep, Shannon's job is on the line and A. Brown is his ticket to getting B. Brown. Which is why Shannon refuses to play the superior (in 407's eyes) A. Brown at linebacker.

Makes sense, right?

Couldn't be b/c A. Brown was raw at his position* and the brilliance of starting 2 true-frosh linebackers is blinding. Nah.

*Not knocking A. Brown. I think he's gonna develop to be a great LB. It just takes time.

Hold on guys, I know the Bryce is the current # 1 back/player in the country per Rivals but what about the other backs coming in? They seem to be pretty good as well, maybe not high like Bryce. Lamar Miler & Mike James.
Bryce is only one person and DA U shouldn't be so dependent on just one. By the way it is cold up here in Idaho, need some of that warm South Florida sun. . . .

ATXcane, if Arthur Brown believed what you just said, Bryce would be beginning classes on Jan 20th. Your coach suspends players for foolish reasons. He keeps guys buried on the depth chart for crazy reasons. He might be trying to create an atmosphere of competition but he is going about it the wrong way. Good coaches scheme their defenses around the talent they have. There is no reason why Glen Cook who isn’t going to be invited to the NFL combine should be playing ahead of Brown. You do what you have to do to get your best talent on the field. It was the same BS that Shannon did with Rock McIntosh. Today Rocky is a starting LB for the Redskins, meanwhile he was absolute trash playing for Shannon. When you go to School to study Math you don’t Take Calculus III before Calculus I or Pre-Calculus. If the talent can’t understand your scheme then you change it. Based on what I saw this year, it didn’t seem like the other players got the system either because we couldn’t stop the run this year to save our lives. The biggest culprits this year in our inability to stop the run was our weak Lin Backing Corp.

407, what make you think A. Brown would have played if he was at florida? They have Lerentee McCray and he didn't play.

407, what make you think A. Brown would have played if he was at florida? They have Lerentee McCray and he didn't play.

Nation,
It's recruiting and kids change their mind all the time. The recruits who really want to be canes like B.McGhee will come. If O. Vernon is convinced about what Saban has to tell him (lol) then let him go. I would hate to lose Brown but this was a good year for tailbacks in dade county this year so I'm sure one of them could joind L.Miller if Brown decides to go elsewhere. Remember, Frank Gore was supposed to go to Ole Miss but decided to come to Miami days before signning day. OL and DL are top priority anyway everything else is icing on the cake. Peace !

407, so are you saying that Rocky McIntosh didn't benefit by playing in a pro scheme at Miami?

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