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Young 'torn' over leaving UM

If you haven't heard by now, the University of Miami is dangerously close to having to find a replacement for another coordinator position. Oklahoma State has come after defensive coordinator Bill Young, offering him $700,000 to leave the program -- much more than he currently makes with the Canes. Even the highest paid coordinators rarely make more than $500,000. 

When reached by phone Monday morning by The Miami Herald, Young told our Barry Jackson "I'm very torn." Young said he would let us know once he reached a decision (possibly tonight), but we believe there is a strong chance Young will opt to leave. Here's Barry's story.

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Oklahoma City is where Young was born and raised and Oklahoma State is where Young played outside linebacker and defensive end from 1965 to 67. Young, 61, has spent 22 seasons as a defensive coordinator. He came over from Kansas last season to replace Tim Walton. The Canes didn't perform very well -- especially on run defense, where it ranked 75th. But Miami still ranked 28th in the nation in total defense (317.4 yards) and seventh in pass defense (165.6 yards) -- despite intercepting just four passes all year.

Young's loss would hurt Miami, especially since the team is in the midst of searching for an offensive coordinator. I spoke to two sources this afternoon who told me coach Randy Shannon is hoping to hire an offensive coordinator by the end of this week, most likely Friday. Now, it appears likely he'll be looking to fill another position in the coming weeks. 

FYI, I would be I highly surprised if Shannon would simply take over as defensive coordinator should Young leave. Shannon said last season when he was searching for a defensive coordinator there was too much responsibility as the head coach.

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any chance UM steps up and pays our coach/coordinators the $$ they deserve for being at UM (and keep Young)?

just great, this is horrible news

First!

Q: any chance UM steps up and pays our coach/coordinators the $$ they deserve for being at UM (and keep Young)? Posted by: j3ff | January 19, 2009 at 07:30 PM

A: Outlook doesn't look great. Miami will try to provide some sort of counter offer. But we don't expect it to be enough to keep him here. The bigger factor for Young is Oklahoma City is home for him. It's where he played and the ideal place for him to retire.

well, I would say we have a Pro Bowl NFL Linebacker, who has been a college coach for a couple of years, and won 2 national championships as a player, Michael barrow. Now, he hasnt been a DC before, but hes played the D here at the U, was 1 of the best lb's in the NFL during the 90's, and I am quite sure if a defensive prospect(recruiting) would love to play for someone thats ""been there and done it"" and knows what it takes to get to the NFL/ I think that is huge, especially if you are a LB/DB, and Micheal barrow who was an all pro comes to your living room. My pick would be barrow if bill young leaves. I hope he stays, but honestly, with the talent we have on d after these top studs come in, its getting to the point soon of when coker took over in 2001, we r loaded with talent and depth. its just 1 yr or so more experience is needed. But we plucked 5 of the top 7 ESPN lb's in last yrs class, and I think 3 didnt even play this yr, A Brown, Futch, R Buchanon, so, no matter who the OC and DC is, THE U is heading in the right direction

if thats where hes from, and played and are giving him more money....sorry to say see ya bill young....i liked him too. Gonna be rough on our guys learning 3 defenses in 3 years.....hope it doesnt hurt recruiting.

If he goes, great opportunity to hire Green Bay Packers LB coach (and former Cane LB) Winston Moss as D Coordinator. Also Steve Logan, BC Offensive Coordinator just quit. Developed Matt Ryan and other qbs. Hope we get him for our OC before someone else does.

Not good at all. Hopefully defensive recruits dont bail because of this. Hopefully he leaves after signing day

http://www.tulsaworld.com/sports/article.aspx?subjectid=93&articleid=20090119_93_w_TheCan385893

Here's an article disputing the pay... maybe it will help us keep Young

Any leads whatsoever on who the finalists are for the OC position?

I really hope he stays. I love the direction of the defense and have the upmost respect for Young and what he brings ot the table. If he does opt to leave, I can't blame him. I'll be quite disappointed, but you can't blame him. It sucks to think that your coaches are just open game for any school to recruit them elsewhere, but I guess that's the way it goes.

If he does move on, I think Barrow may be a good choice. I say that primarily because I think he's a sharp young coach and a guy I'd hate to see Miami lose. He's been a terrific recruiter as well.

The only way that it does not hurt recruiting, even helps recruiting is if Randy takes over right away as DC.

what about clint hurtt if he leaves? i know hes a big time recruiter and seems to do a good job, he would maybe be a good promotion too????

Randy Shannon HC/DC in 2009!!!!!!

What a complete joke Randy Shannon is turning out to be. Are you kidding me, Young is leaving and all everyone can say is... who cares the U is coming back?!?! What a terrible hire Randy is turning out to be. He looks so clueless it's not even funny, its sad now. Manny I have read many of your post and believe you are a great source for many canes fans who are not inside the locker room. I respect your opinion, now with that said. What are your thoughts in all of this? Honestly if I was a 5 star or a 4 star recruit in Miami or other parts of Florida I would never come to Miami until they had a competent coach. Instability is never good for a supposedly up and coming program. This is bad news for the program. Next year will be another 7-5 season.

good riddens

that D of ours loked nothing like the D that was top 5 in the country since randy stepped down. it also looked nothing like the Kansas D that gave the big 12 fits 2 years ago ans shut down v tech in the roange bowl. we blitz on the wrong downs and had no shot of stopping G Tech on that thursday night.

see yah Bill, let Randy run the D and get an O cord who can handle things on his own.

with our recruits, randy running the D, and an o cord who can x and o with the best, we will be fine. J Cor will get us a national title in 2010. I can't wait to upset T Pryor and Ohio St early that year to jump into the national title hunt

bring in an NFL guy with experience with the pro style and get a D cord who has balls. we have animals on the defensive side of the ball. they can ball like the ed reeds and r lewis' if you unleash these kids.

maybe warren saap would want to coach the D

Allen, F-U gator fan!

I find it funny when these posters who have never been seen before come on and pretend to be a disappointed Canes fan. You wish this would affect recruiting, but it will not.

Randy Shannon is the best coach for Miami. How exactly does Young potentially leaving to coach at his alma mater translate into a problem with Shannon anyway? Again, you wish Coach Shannon would go away so that he would stop killing your team in recruiting So. Fla.

GO CANES!!

Guys, I love Michael Barrow and Clint Hurtt. But please, no more mediocre hires as coordinators. The transition from a position coach to a coordinator is not an easy one. Bill Young introduced some great scheming and aggressive blitzing into a defense that had been way to plain vanilla. Without the Ed Reeds, Sean Taylors, Vilmas, etc., the Randy Shannon/Tim Walton 4-3 D was not going to work (think Louisville a few years ago, or Virginia last year). Bill Young added a spark with a bunch of young studs that was only going to get better as these guys grew into it. It is totally unfortunate that Miami only has a limited budget as compared to the SEC and Big Ten programs. Frankly, Bill Young was a steal.

At the very least, we need someone with experience as a coordinator at the college level if Young leaves. I hope Shannon can do it. Frankly, I'm very concerned about us going into the thick of recruiting season without a marquis OC (I'm praying for a Chuck Long, Mark Whipple, or Mitch Browning type level OC) and solid DC. Frankly, the fact that we've had 3 offensive coordinators in 4 years and 3 defensive coordinators in the same time span is horrific for any program, let alone a program with, frankly, a newbie head coach.

we r screwed.. this hurts a lot

Timing is poor for the program to say the least. Shannon better be preparing for the "worst case scenario" right now, if he isn't already.

If money doesn't turn out to be the motivating issue, (I don't care if Young has an OSU tatoo) it would speak loudly on Shannon's poor ability to keep a good relationship with his coaches.

I saw the poor relationship between Shannon and Nix on the last game. It worried me then that Shannon may be an island unto himself. I hope not for the sake of the program.

I believe that Bill was on the road to building a great defense here but money and home are calling him. I could not blame him if he left, although I certainly would be disappointed.

Like I said on an another blog, if we lose Young Randy should step back in as DC. Randy has proven himself in this capacity and that is basically what got him the HC job to begin with. He could name one of his assistants as assistant head coach to help him with some of his current responsibilities. I know we certainly cannot wait another month to hire a new DC because its crunch time on the recruiting front.

I am a cane's fan. To any young recruit with tons of talent, if you are reading this. Do not I repeat do not go to Miami until RS is out. This guy has no clue.

allen is a gaytor fan. The thing is if were looking for a high priced OC , how can we get a high priced DC. I really hope young stays.

i honestly thought we were finally on our way. a great d coorinator who wanted to retire in miam, were going to get a good o coordinator.. but this is just terrible terrible news

Maybe I'm missing something, but after losing Reed, Taylor, Vilma, etc., to the NFL, we got absolutely pasted in some fairly hyped games where Shannon was calling the D - remember being embarrassed and outschemed at Louisville, and humiliated by a third-string QB in the Peach Bowl against LSU the following year. Let's not forget the pasting by a mediocre Virginia offensive the following year at the last game ever in our beloved Orange Bowl (granted, while Tim Walton was calling the shots). In any case, Randy has enough problems learning the ropes of being a head coach hat, I really don't think him also calling the D is the best thing for the program right now.

What recruit is going to come here now? No OC, now no DC a few weeks before signing day, and an unproven head coach. As much talent as we brought in last year, this sets us back. Hopefully we won't lose half our recruits.

Hey! If there was no chaos, it wouldn't be the U.

According to the Herald, if Young leaves (which I hope to God he does not), Willie Martinez - Georgia's defensive coordinator (and former Hurricane (Miami born and raised)) may be the go to guy for Shannon. Georgia got pasted a few times this year, but overall, he's pretty solid.

Manny, how much does this hurt us in recruiting, any chance we lose key guys like ray ray or mcgee? The timing couldnt of been any worse

Like I told you guys before, MIAMI does NOT have the money to compete for top coaching talent.

Why?

Private school status with limited enrollment; low attendence at FB games; major belt-tightening necessitated by the recession; low endowment for sports - indeed the so-called "Sprint for UM Athletics" announced with great fanfare two years ago is going NOWHERE fast.

Unfortunately, U can't compete against BIG BUDGET SCHOOLS (like UF, Ohio State, LSU, Alabama, Texas, USC, etc.) for top talent ON or OFF the field.

But we can still be better than third or fourth in the Abysmal-C-C. (Likewise, UM ought to consistently rank number ONE or TWO in Florida). We can, and we will, move up in the national rankings in 2009 and 2010. However, before we can start thinking BCS or NC, we first need to find a way to beat teams in our own conference like FSU and NC (i.e., FB teams which are better funded than UM) with much greater regularity.

Thanks Manny. Although this worries me, Randy is an excellent defensive coordinator. Randy as HC/DC should not hurt us in recruiting and may even help us. GO CANES!!!!!

aaah i hate the carousel

the problem is not the coordinators..the problem starts at the top...shannon...the sooner people take the blinders off and look around,the better they will understand..before you jump on me remember this..i've been a cane fan since the early 70's..probably before some of you were an ache in your old man's sack..i bleed orange and green and can tell you that shannon is way over his head..great recruiter,yes,managing a div-1 f-ball team..forget it..i'd give him 1 or 2 years and if we don't have at the very least an acc title,then it'll be time to go and get an expierianced h.c..

TO R, I just wanna say "Dam-n YOU OLD DUDE" THATS ALL Thanks for being a Cane.

I BELIEVE SOME OF YOU ON THIS BLOG HAVE NO CLUE LET ALONE ARE U FANS. WHAT TYPE OF THING TO SAY NOT TO COME HERE UNTIL RANDY LEAVES? WHY SO YOU CAN COACH ... I THINK RANDY IS DOING A GOOD JOB AND I FOR ONE CAN'T WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR TO QUIET YOU SO CALLED FANS ANDAND CANE HATER. JUST A FEW YEARS AGO WERE "THUG U" BUT RANDY HAS CLEANED THAT UP ITS A SHAME SOME OF YOU FORGOT ABOUT THAT ALA ROBERT MARVE WHO GOT SUSPENDED FOR MISSING CLASS NOW CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG MY QB IS MY LEADER SO HOW CAN I TRUST HIM TO LEAD MY TEAM IF HE CANT ABIDE BY SIMPLE RULES LIKE YOU CANT MISS CLASS 5 TIMES NOT BACK IN MY DAY 5 ABSENT WAS A AUTOMATIC F BUT ITS SEEMS LIKE YOU GUYS FORGOT ABOUT THAT. NOW THE OC THING PAT NIX WAS TRYING TO RUN A SWPREAD RANDY WANTS A PRO STYLE OFFENSE AND LET ME ADD VERY FEW QB'S HAVE BEEN A SUCCESS IN THE LEAGUE AFTER PLAYING IN THE SPREAD JUST LOOK AT THE PRO SUCCESS OF UF OFFENSIVE PLAYERS IN THE LEAGUE THAT HAVE BEEN DRAFTED IN THE LAST FEW YEARS. THE U STAFF HAS A FEW DEFENSIVE CORDINATORS ON THE STAFF AND I BELIEVE COACH BARROW DOES HAVE EXPERIENCE ALBEIT IN HIGH SCHOOL BUT I BELEIVE HE CAN AND WILL BE A GREAT DC...PS I NOTICE THAT VIDAL HAZELTON TRANSFERRED TO CINCY DUE TO USC BARRED HIM FROM ANY PAC 10 SCHOOLS OR NOTRE DAME BUT THAT JUST SLIPPED THROUGH THE CRACKS. LET THIS MAN COACH AND GIVE HIM THE SUPPORT HE NEED TRUST HIM HE WILL GET US BACK ON TOP 7-5 MIAMI AND I BELIEVE LSU WAS 8-5 BUT IM JUST SAYING.

Young doesn't seem like the guy who's in coaching just to make a buck, but 700k is A LOT to pass up. Losing him will be a serious loss to this program. Hopefully his bond with this young D trumps the cash...

Manny i am sure you will do a follow up on this story later tonight...By the way where is Randy tonight?

And F BOOOOoone Pickens.

As I said earlier, I am in favor of Randy being HC/DC but if he does not want to take on both responsibilities someone needs to be on the phone ASAP with Tommy Tuberville.

A LOT IF YOU SAY RANDY IS IN OVER HIS HEAD BUT IF NOT RANDY THEN WHO??????????? BEACUSE WHEN WE WERE HIRING NO ONE JUMPED OVER ANY FENCES TO GET THIS JOB WHY BECAUSE OF THE MONEY. RANSY COULD HAVE BEEN IN THE LEAGUE HE DIDNT HAVE TO COACH THE U HE HAS HELP PUT COUNTLESS PLAYERS IN THE LEAGUE I AM SURE HE COULD HAVE TAKEN A JOB ANYWHERE DO TO HIS CRDENTIALS. THE FACTS THAT REMAINS IN WE WERE IN OUR CHAMPIONSHIP YEARS HE WAS THE DC AND WE RELOADED NOW WERE ARE REBUILDING.

I THINK WE CAN STAY IN HOUSE IF NEEDED WITH THE DC POST...WHY NOT MAKE CLINT HURT AND COACH BARROW CO DEFENSIVE CORD?

What is better Randy being DC or Randy and Mr. X to be named later coaching the D. I think just Randy is better because, I doubt Randy gives up total control.

Shannon can't afford another disaster like Tim Walton. So no Clint Hurtt or Michael Barrow. All position coaches are not cut out to be coordinators and the program doesn't need another newbie coach.

For those of you who quickly want to blame Randy about Young leaving, enough already... I don't think Young is looking for the quick buck, not at his age. The opportunity to coach your sunset years at your Alma Mater and possibly bring a NC, who could blame him if he goes!!!

18, 19 and 20 old kids are resilient, bring in the next guy, they will be just fine. Just ask Southern Cal, with all their coaching changes in the last 5 years (Chow, Tiffin, Sarkisian), they continue to excel, it is all about the talent. Randy will keep bringing in the talent and we will be back.

Finally, young Head Coaches will struggle with their Coordinators. Ask Butch how he did with Bill Miller. He fired him in 98 just after we couldn't stop UCLA and Cade McNown. He brought in Schiano (who was fired from the Bears that year) and it worked out for both in the long run.

DEFENSE IS NOT HARD TO LEARN OR TEACH BARROW AND HURTT KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE REMEMBER THEY RECRUITED THESE PLAYERS. IF YOU HAVE HEM BOTH DOING IT I BELIVE THEY CAN COVER EACH OTHER AND KEEP THE SAM SYSTEM IN PLACE RATHER THAN BRING IN A NEW DC WITH A TOTALLY DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING THINGS AND DOES NOT KNOW THE PLAYERS. REMEMBER X AND O'S ARE NOTHING WITHOUT RIGHT PERSONEL TO RUN IT ALLOW HURTT AND BARROW TO PLAY TO THE PERSONEL'S STRENGTH

Canehistory, you make good points, just take the CAPS off when you do it. You are screaming at us and we can hear you loud and clear... This late in the game, if Young leaves, I think Barrow gets the job by default. Remember, he was a head coach at Homestead, so he could take over DC responsibilties.

So InsideTheU.com is reporting that Young actually visited OSU this weekend. I'm sure we'll hear soon on what that was all about.

InsideTheU is also saying that Greg Reid "has been hearing from Miami lately" even though he just visited UF. This kid had 2-3 (can't remember exactly) interceptions at the Under-Armour game, just got promoted to 5-stars by Rivals.com, and his cousin Jamal is a Canes commit. It would be AWESOME if the Canes landed him but none of his recruiting profiles list any offers from The U. Manny - Do you know anything about the possibility of having Reid commit to the Canes?

Thanks!

CanesFanStuckInNYC

Sorry disagree no way Shannon goes with an unproven dc at this point.

didn't see this one coming.

who the heck is allen? where did he come from?

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