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FSU series has evolved into real dislike

Florida State and Miami are rivals when it comes to every sport. But there may not be more real hate involved in any of them moreso than in baseball. At least that's what it seems like.

Ryan Jackson Thursday, with UM set to host the Seminoles in a three-game series at The Light, I caught up with several players and coaches to see exactly where the rivalry is at. After last year's heated battle in Tallahassee, which saw the Seminoles refuse to shake hands (and fans get ugly) after the Canes escaped with a series-clinching Sunday win, consider the rivalry on orange alert.

"It was definitely more of a fun rivalry for me when I played," said pitching coach J.D. Arteaga, who pitched for the Canes from 1994 to 1997. "I had players I knew on their side. Mickey Lopez and Doug Mientkewicz were my high school teammates. We went to dinner after it was over. I don't know if we have that anymore because we usually don't recruit the same kids. It's a little more different rivalry now after a few things that have happened over the past six, seven years. It's a little hotter to say the least."

Hot for even the two guys are supposed to be setting the example, Jim Morris and Mike Martin. Morris got his first coaching job under Martin. But each year their relationship has higher levels of stress, especially after Morris beat Martin to win the 1999 national championship.

"That's part of the reason why I don't like to schedule friends," Morris said. " People think it's a game - it's a game to people in the stands. But to me it's my life. To Mike Martin, it's his life. I think about it all the time. It's my life. It's not just a game."

Players agree, especially when it comes to this series. Shortstop Ryan Jackson said he got sprayed with Sunkist and middle fingers by FSU fans last year at the end of Sunday's wild finish. He says while players from both sides don't like each other, playing in atmosphere where you don't like your opponent jacks up players and makes the games even more excting.

"I'm not going to beat around the bush. We don't like them. They don't like us," Jackson said. "I'm sure they're saying the same thing up there. We're looking forward to playing good, clean baseball and hopefully come out on top."

David Gutierrez SOME HELP FROM BIG BRO: Earlier this week, David Gutierrez found out he would be making the move from No. 2 starter to Friday night ace. The redshirt junior right-hander didn't have to think twice about who would be the first person he'd call to share the news with -- his big brother, former Hurricanes closer Carlos Gutierrez.

Why big bro and not mom and dad? Because it was big bro that taught him that new pitch this summer past summer -- a hard sinker -- that has helped David put together a 2-2 record and the lowest ERA (1.51) in the ACC the first half of the season.

"We worked on it a lot this offseason while he was training down here," the younger Gutierrez said Thursday. "That's what's helped me take the next step. Last year, I didn't throw it all. Now, I use it on every batter at least once. It's an effective pitch because it looks like a fastball and dies. They'll roll over it and I get groundouts."

As for the elder Gutierrez, drafted in the first round by the Twins last June, David says his older brother expects to begin High-A ball in the coming days.

WHAT'S SLOWING DOWN CHRIS HERNANDEZ?: While Gutierrez has thrived for UM this season, last year's ACC Freshman of the Year and ace, left-hander Chris Hernandez has hit a hard sophomore slump. In six starts and 33 2/3 innings, Hernandez has given up 22 earned runs and walked 12 batters. He gave up 18 walks and 34 earned runs all of last year.

Arteaga said the difference is while Hernandez is throwing harder, he has less command. Morris said Hernandez is trying to be "too fine," and is losing two strike battles he won with opposing hitters last year.

"The first thing we talked to him about was not worrying about duplicating what he did last year. And that's exactly what he's trying to do. He's trying to be perfect," Arteaga said. "This game is to hard to be perfect. As soon as one bad thing happens, it kind of multiplies because you're waiting for the next [bad thing to happen]. Like I said, he's throwing the ball better. But it's nowhere near where he was last year. I didn't expect what he did last year to happen again. He's 2-2 right now. If he ends the year 11-3 with a 3, 4 ERA, it's still a great year."

OUT OF THE SLUMP?: Jackson began the season hitting third in Morris' lineup. But a first half slump ultimately has had him moving all over the place, from 1, 2, 3 to 7, 8, 9. Thursday, Morris said Jackson put too much pressure on himself to start the year and was hitting too many flyballs. But both Morris and Jackson see signs the .283 hitter could be on the verge of turning the corner.

"In my last 10 at bats, I think I've hit seven balls hard," Jackson said. "I feel like I'm getting back on track, staying positive.

"I came out of the shoot trying to do too much. I had a good spring and fall and sometimes when you do that you come out trying to do more than you can. My stride was a little too big. Sunday's game versus Georgia Tech was kind of the turning point for me in terms of how I felt my season was going to go. I hit some balls hard in every bat. I carried it over against Barry. I'm optimistic about the rest of the year. I know what I can do. That's why I got the second half."

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"How bad can it get at FSU?"

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4045748

Dadgummit!
Let's see if he's suspended for UM-F$U

MRA, the beginning of your comment is pretty dumb. I could've gone to UM without taking out loans and paying it in full, but there are 1000s of cheaper colleges that offer a much better education. So any smart business man would say, "why would i waste my money there?".... Its like bill gates, who's super paid, drives like a Toyota Prius. He knows that cars are one of the worst investments and made a smart business move

not sure what you mean franky?

"Hey, I'm as diehard a cane fan as there is but like someone above said, I get money back for going to FIU and at UM I'd have paid 30k a year. I'm not stupid."

The education at UM is better than at FIU, but between paying 30k a year for ay 4 years =120k [i'm not including financial aid, fair enough] or going to FIU where it'd have cost me 10-12k at the most it wasn't a big choice. Not to mention that including the merit scholarships I have and all that, I get money back in my pocket from FIU every semester.

That's where I stand. The part that says:
FIU is a non-entity and should not be mentioned even in the same breath as UM. I mean, you FIU students, pleeeaaase. Enough! I realize you couldnt get into UM, and could have wanted to but it was too expensive, or whatever, but quit b---thcing. FIU cannot compare to UM. In NOTHING. Period. End of story. You are starting to sound like disgruntled, jealous, wannabe Gator fans. You don't here FAU, USF or UCF people come on here talking smack do you?"

was a poster earlier on.

If not I didn't get you analogy and might be stupid!

my bad, skimmed through it real quick and misread..... I wouldnt exactly say UM's education is better either. FIU actually has more programs higher ranked in their business school. Academically, it seems to be evening out... again, my bad for the misread

Hola amigos,

Sorry about all the necessary spamming.
Yeah, I'm a frustrated alum of FIU who has had a bad run these past few days.
My boyfriend left me for another guy and it's been kind of lonely out here in Hialeah.
Anyways, I won't bother you folks with anymore of my gibberish.
I already got the boot at the Rivals baseball site, I don't want to cause ill will amongst you Cane fans.
Maybe one day my alma-mater will be fortunate to sniff Omaha.

Ohh taking shots at hispanics, that's a funny one. Hey Manny Navarro, do we tolerate racism on these boards?

All I want is to discuss UM's baseball/football and basketball teams. I'm not stupid.

I get money back for going to FIU and at UM I'd have paid 30k a year. I'm not stupid.

Posted by: MRA | April 06, 2009 at 08:13 PM

The education at UM is better than at FIU, but between paying 30k a year for ay 4 years =120k
… or going to FIU where it'd have cost me 10-12k at the most it wasn't a big choice. I'm not stupid.

Posted by: MRA | April 06, 2009 at 11:03 PM

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/college/national-search/c_final_tier+1/page+3

$35,000 v. $3,500
Private $chool v. public skool
Have v. have-not

SCHLUB

I could've gone to UM without taking out loans and paying it in full, but there are 1000s of cheaper colleges that offer a much better education. So any smart business man would say, "why would i waste my money there?".... Its like bill gates

Posted by: franky the cat | April 06, 2009 at 10:13 PM

the world’s richest man attended harvard …

RETURN ON INVESTMENT

I wouldnt exactly say UM's education is better either. FIU actually has more programs higher ranked in their business school. Academically, it seems to be evening out

Posted by: franky the cat | April 06, 2009 at 11:55 PM

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/college/national-search/c_final_tier+4

school of last resort …

DREK

Fact - 98% of U fans never attended college.

Fact - 100% of gayturd graduates never attended college, either.

Fact - 98% of U fans never attended college.

Posted by: UFacts.org | April 07, 2009 at 01:43 PM

and?
greater Miami rallies 'round U ...

SOURCE OF PRIDE

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/colleges/um/story/985802.html

IT'S A CANES THING

FACT : 100years of uf football and ZERO undefeated seasons


Where is Manny? it's not like him to slack off

UM just landed a committment from Davie (Fla.) Western junior OL Jonathan Feliciano

http://hurricanesports.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/recaps/040709aab.html
Canes edge fau; improve to 24-8

FLYING HIGH

If you don't feel like Miami is worth the money then it's your right to go somewhere else. However, Miami is a much better school than FIU...let's not get crazy now.

Fact - UM # 5 in the coaches poll. Almost lost to a FAU baseball team.

Whew! that was close!

ALMOST : )

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/breaking-news/story/989518.html
Miami, now boasting an 8-1 record against Florida teams, swept the University of Florida in Gainesville earlier this season. The Hurricanes (24-8) defeated FAU and Barry in midweek games before taking two from the Seminoles.
-- herald's judy erwin

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/05/sports/golf/05norman.html?ref=sports
http://www.shark.com/

UM alum caddies for his famous father at the course like no other ...

SHARK'S TALE

For those of you interested in hearing more about Manny's take on the spring game and the state of UM football go to canespace

http://canespace.typepad.com/canespace/

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/umiami/2009/03/spring-game-thoughts.html

manny navarro offered his spring take ten days ago …

REHASH

I'd say UM is about a 7/10 school and FIU's a 5/10 School. It's definitely a jump. However, it also [and mainly] depends on what program. People rather go to FIU for business but for 85% of subjects it's better to go to UM.

Who cares? Go Canes and to a lesser degree go Panthers. Having good teams is good for our city!

People rather go to FIU for business

I'm not stupid.

Posted by: MRA | April 08, 2009 at 10:31 AM

http://www.bus.miami.edu/news-and-media/recent-news/bw-undergraduate-rankings.html

businessweek & financial times disagree …

ELITE OPINION

Go Canes and to a lesser degree go Panthers.
Having good teams is good for our city!

I'm not stupid.

Posted by: MRA | April 08, 2009 at 10:31 AM

do you also root for barry, st thomas, florida memorial … miami-dade
do you sympathize with our archrival …
what’s good for the gaturd is good for the state?
“go gaturds”

PANTYWAIST

http://www.miamiherald.com/qna/forum/um_sports/index.html

manny navarro skipped his weekly appointment …
yet found time to aid & abet …
el gordito …

FINITO

Fact - a #17 ranked Crocs baseball team LOST to FAU, 6-7 on March 4th this year

Whew! Go Gator. Gradulations.

Fact - a #23 ranked Crocs baseball team LOST to University of North Florida, 0-3, on March 24th this year

Whew! Go Gator. Gradulations.

Fact - an unranked UM baseball team went into Gainesville earlier this year, 2/27-3/1, and swept a ranked Crocs team by the combined score of 26-8.

Whew! Go Gator. Gradulations.

Fact - UiF has only made 5 appearances in the College World Series and has only made it to the title game ONCE.

UiF has never won a national championship in baseball since their first season, in 1912, and since the Div. I Tournament started in 1947.

UiF has been eliminated from the Tournament 7 times by Miami (1981, 1985, 1989, 1994, 1997, 2002, 2003).

Whew! Go Gator. Gradulations.

Fact - Miami has made 23 appearances in the College World Series and has made it to the title game 6 times, winning 4 of them.

Miami is 4th overall in most College World Series wins.


UiF Baseball Program = Garbage.

U R a beisbol school


This website dead or what?

Manny - Did you fall asleep on the job? Give us a football story. Didn't hear much about Allen Bailey this spring, is he going to be a force this spring?

Back to sports that people do care about! Here it is in all of it’s glory, my fearless 4-8 prediction for our 2009 season. You can bet the trailer mortgage on it.

9/07 @ Florida State = Loss, 0-28. Can’t afford a plane and our bus takes a wide right off of I-10

9/17 Georgia Tech = Loss, the 38-3 as the Chick-fil-A Bowl losers to LSU will show us how it’s done in the ACC. Please don’t bring up our last game against the cajuns.

9/26 @ Virginia Tech = Loss, 10-24 as the Hokies are just one of four reasons we’ll be fifth in the Coastal Division for the forseeable future

10/03 Oklahoma = No comment. At lease one team from the State of Florida knows how to ball. Too bad it will only happen once in 2009 in Dolphin Stadium….. and that was back in early January.

10/10 Florida A&M = Win, 3-0. Randy’s post game presser is followed by a plea for Marve to reconsider.

10/17 @ UCF = Loss, 17-7, Calabrese revenges our 2008 “it’s better to be lucky than mediocre” muffed punt return

10/24 Clemson = Loss, 20-7, Dare I say Dabo-Dabo-Doo, as we get rocked back into the stone age

10/31 @ Wake Forest = Win in Triple OT, 10-7. Would would you expect when you match up the fifth best team from the Atlantic vs the fifth best team in the Coastal?

11/07 Virginia = Loss, 6-7. as the up-and-coming Cavs are just one of four reasons we’ll be fifth in the Coastal Division for the forseeable future

11/14 @ North Carolina = Win, 10-9 as a beisball school shows a basketabll school how to play a sport that they are both irrelevant in

11/21 Duke = Win, 7-14 and bragging right for another twelve months that we are not the worst team in our division

11/28 @ South Florida = Loss, 31-10 as once agian we are regulated to the fourth best college team in South Florida

Might I add….. sure is a good thing we got the Gators off our schedule.

Hey canesrule 9,

Appreciate your feeble attempt at humor. Can't say I agree with your predictions, nor were they really funny, except for one thing. We wouldn't be betting the "trailer mortgage" on it. That would be you. We don't live in trailers, but you hogtown crack*rs do.

Got to go now, I have to pay the UF graduate that's cleaning my boat.

You're dismissed. You can go back to measuring and admiring Tebow's abnormally large melon head (why is his head so huge anyway - it sure isn't brains - gee I wonder what causes that?)

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/college/hurricanes/sfl-um-collins-nba-draft-s040909,0,2647972.story

STAY JUST A LITTLE BIT LONGER

Oye Manny. Perdona me meng, but a week? You've got some esplainin to do

Canesco,

Manny mentioned Allen Bailey in his article on Canestime.com blog, where he says, "Injured or not, Allen Bailey still hasn't shown me enough to make me feel confident he's going to be a dominating player (which he should be with that body." Manny has also mentioned Bailey in other blogs on this site.

For me, UM's DL, including Bailey, seems to be the strength of the defense at this point in the spring. DL seems to have depth and some talented players across the board.

Talentwise, I think Bailey can be dominant if (and I realize that is a big if) he stays healthy and focused. If UM's DL is good, the defense will also be good and Lovett seems to be teaching the fundamentals and is hands on. UM's talented defense needs good teachers of technique, and that is what Lovett brings.

..... at this point in the spring. DL seems to have depth and some talented players across the board.
Posted by: Windy

U huge buffoon

Depth is reserves that have also playing time and shown the ability to handle the responsibilities of their position. Depth is not guessing that guys can ball. When you have depth you have proven backups. There is NONE of that at The U. Even at the positions that have a lot of players none of the reserves have actually produced. Hell most of the STARTERS haven't done anything. U fan throws around the word depth with precise cluelessness.

U's got NO depths

Hey, U's got NO depths:

Depth could also be defined as overlooking rapists, thieves, HGH abusers so they can stay on your team. Yea especially model citizens that date rape and beat up their girlfriends.

And BTW, f-you with the "we's building depth" crap - you know that's racist bullsh*t

Yes I love the Gators and Seminoles green. You're an donkey's rear end who takes things totally out of context.

74 points all season and three vs. famu. canesrule 9 'ships your just brilliant ain't ya?

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/palmbeach/ufblog/entries/2009/04/09/recruiting_gators_land_first_m.html

It may be called the University of Florida, but historically the Gators have recruited South Florida about as successfully as the University of Wyoming (that is to say, not very well). ... Miami-Dade has been a tough county to crack. University of Miami has had a stranglehold on the county for at least three decades
-- pbpost's ben volin

Hey, U's got NO depths,

To add to CanesCanesCanes, what's up with UF's DT Torrey Davis? He doesn't go to class, but UF put him back on the team at the end of the season so he could make those back-to-back goal line stops against Okla in Jan., but by March you kick him off the team again because he doesn't go to class and fails a drug test.

UM has DTs that can make plays, go to class AND pass drug tests

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/breaking-news/story/992628.html

DEADBEAT DADDY

U R a beisbol school

Posted by: gaturd agent provocateur | April 08, 2009 at 02:34 PM

36 straight regionals
23 world series
4 national titles

YES SIR

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