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NEW YORK -- Greetings from the Big Apple. As you can see, I didn't end up going to Wake Forest this weekend to catch the Canes. After covering Games 1 and 2 of the World Series, I was asked to stick around and help cover Sunday's Dolphins-Jets game. It worked out well because my wife and I got to attend her grandmother's 102nd birthday this afternoon.

Sam Shields Between those family moments, I was able to follow the game on my Blackberry before I was able to sneak away and catch about the last 10 minutes on TV (I started watching right when DeMarcus Van Dyke grabbed his first career interception). Some quick thoughts on the game and more since I've been away all week...

> When it was 27-14 in the fourth quarter all I kept thinking about was how badly Randy Shannon and his coaching staff must have been getting ripped by some in Canes Nation. Now, after the thrilling come-from-behind win, I'm guessing some of them are back to being "his biggest supporters." Got to love the fine line between loved and hated.

> The Hurricanes are now 6-2, 3-2 in ACC play. To me, all we've really learned over the last four games is that this team isn't as great as we thought they were (Yes, that was a little Dennis Green like).

Look, I'm not taking anything away from Miami's blowout of Georgia Tech or the 21-20 win against Oklahoma. But those four ranked opponents UM played to start the year now have a combined record of 22-11. The last four games haven't been played against better teams either. And yet, no matter how uncomfortable you feel about the Canes this morning (and you might be asking yourself are really that much better?), progress HAS been made.

This team has won games this year it didn't win last year and accomplished things it failed to do last year. UM played another wild game against FSU, but won. They grabbed a double-digit lead against Oklahoma and didn't let the Sooners come back on them like North Carolina did in 2008. They struggled against UCF again, but stepped on the gas and surged ahead instead of letting the Knights stick around. And finally, Saturday, they fought back from 17-0 down in the first half and 27-14 in the fourth quarter and won.

It's not major progress (this clearly isn't a Canes team on the same level of many of the other great ones before it and still has a long ways to get there). But it's still a better football team than the last four Miami has had.

> I think it's officially safe to say Mark Whipple was right about his offense last month when he said they weren't nearly as good as he wants them to be. How Miami had two yards of total offense in the second half before embarking on its game-winning drive was eye-opening. Give Jacory Harris credit for leading UM on the game-winning drive, but he and his receivers still have work to do.

> Wet conditions or not, Leonard Hankerson had drops he shouldn't have. Hankerson is definitely the most improved player on the team. But he's not completely beyond struggles. Miami is lucky Aldarius Johnson and Travis Benjamin were able to hang onto a couple big pass plays. UM definitely needs every one of its receivers. None of them has been able to separate themselves as the definite go-to-guy.

> This pass defense is a lot like the offensive line -- average on its best days. UM's defense gave up 555 yards to Wake Forest. But 408 yards came through the air. According to the media guide, it was the third-most passing yards ever against UM. Wake Forest ranked fifth in the ACC in pass offense and has a good quarterback in Riley Skinner. But there are just way too many times when guys are wide open. It wasn't just this week.

FYI... I'll be back on the Canes beat Tuesday (this time I mean it). 

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Wow you people are unbelievable How do you guys Hate the canes so much are you fans, think not listen yes i agree with alot of you our defense is bang up and needs work i'll give you that

First: I believe Jacory has lost a little faith in the O - line just look at his first four games and look at him now. he has been sacked so much until he panics a little can you blame him

Second: do you guys really think Jacory is just an average "QB" you don't know Football

Third: they are learning this Offense as they go and plus whipple has the restraints on a very good QB no audibles just run the play that's it. let this kid play football we have tohave that big bully attitude that we can get it done these schools come in here to play the U Pull out their playbooks and bring everything they got because we are the U win ,loose or draw the U is always the team to beat

GO CANES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WILL NEVER JUMP OF THE WAGON BECAUSE I'M NOT ON ONE GREEN AND ORANGE FLOWS THROUGH MY BLOOD CANE 4 LIFE

A win is a win. I will take it. I almost had a heart attack watching the 4th quarter. There are a lot of issues on this team, but they showed signs of life. Do you think this team a year or 2 ago would have rallied or even stuck with it in the 4th quarter to get a win. No. Those teams would have packed it up and hung their heads on the bench.

Ask USC how it feels this morning abotu comign home with an L.

For all the fans that want to talk about how far we are away from winning a NC or what we were back in 1985....wake up, it's 2009. College football has changed.

You guys are write, a win is a win. Yet, I don't feel confident when we are on defense. I as much as anyone want this team to succeed, but I'm not going to lie to myself. I think maybe Shannon should be calling the defensive plays. Love him or not, when he had the eight personnel he proved to be very good at that.

Right not "eight"

What an ugly win. But then again we had some ugly losses, like when we got cheated out of a championship in the desert. It all goes with the territory. Injuries are clearly hurting us. The next 4 games will clearly tell the story about our character and on field coaching. Kudos to the fans that come out every game to support the team. It was a disgrace that so many seats were vacant for the Clemson game. Come on folks its a young team. How about helping them out by filling Land Shark Stadium and let our team know we believe in them.

i was going to post a comment - but some of the comments are just too stupid. some of the comments come from people who just don't know football and should just keep quiet and keep managing thier fantasy football teams. Miami won a game this week they should have lost and lost a game last week they should have won - thats football. Injuries are a big part of football and miami will need the 11 on the field to play better if they are going to continue winning. About shields - get off his back - sam is a good CB else he wouldn't be playing.

You people need to stop jumping down everyone's throat when they criticize the canes. We are critical because we LOVE them, just as you are critical with your family.

Don't be stupid!!! JH has played 2 games in the rain and has not thrown the ball well in either game. So maybe JH don't throw a wet ball well BUT don't say that JH is not a good QB because he is.

Go Wake beat Tech!

The wake game was an away game played in the rain - VT was an away game played in the rain. Miami didn't play well in either game but has played well in every other game. So maybe Miami don't play well in away games played in the rain.

Anyone notice that Storm Johnson just committed to the canes? What does that mean for Clements?

Hey Manny...yes, I know this town is full of haters, but there are silent fans that go out and support this team too that appreciate the way that this coaching staff and this team are performing. The ACC is competitive, top to bottom, and the Canes are 3 - 1 in close games. I will gladly take it. And considering that all the stars are basically Sophs, the future looks fine. I was hoping for 9 -3 this year, with bigger things to look forward to next year.

We are loaded with injuries. This team has no healthy players on defense. We are talented but devastated by injuries and we are one play away from being 7-1. Hopefully, Gt can get upset by someone. Anyway, I think it is clear, A healthy Aldarius Johnson is our #1 receiver. I would like to see more streeter. Even over Collier. Hankerson still does nothing for me. Don't always blame Jacory because his protection especially without Pat Hill sucks.
Lastly, I have been a basher of Sam Shields but I think if he came in at CB as a freshman. He would be a very good CB right now.

Per Rivals.....The University of Miami has a new running back commitment in Storm Johnson, here's a little highlight that espn has posted of him.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=3989826

Big question now is if Eduardo Clements is still the silent commitment or it is somebody else, seeing that the U was only expected to take two runningbacks in this recruiting class.

Fire Shannon and Shalala. Go back to the Big East and hire Butch Davis. Right now, we can't hold Florida's jock. They will continue to rule FL and college football. They have a coach that can coach and speak in coherent sentences. We will lose to NC, USF, and either Duke or VA. Trying to justify the WF game is ridiculous. Shannon can be outcoached Larry Coker. Hire Butch Davis.

That rules Clements out as the silent commit. Either that or he changed his mind (or maybe the coaches did).

As far as the hate that I am reading, no matter what, those who hate will always hate. Can't change their minds as they are stubborn just like those who will support through & through.

IMO. The injuries hurt. But I believe it has FAR more to do with young players who are physically still developing being forced to play early when they should be Red Shirted getting bigger & stronger. Keep in mind, these kids are 17/18/19 years old going up against 20-24 year old men. More than 2/3rds of the 2 deep depth chart are 1st, 2nd or 3rd year Freshmen & Sophmores.

It's also difficult to build confidence & continuity when pieces to the lineup are changing each week.

What I do know is that the team is better than it has been in a few years & will get better as time passes.

Randy NEEDS to coach the defense. Im shocked that no one has said it yet. For us to be where we need to be on defense. Randy has to coach that side of ball!

This team has grown this year, but i have little confidence in the coaching. Shannon is a great recruiter, but he is a deer in the headlights on gameday..

Hire Butch Davis.

If my memory serves me well, on the radio yesterday before the game it was said the UM had 5 redhirted players on their 2 deep while 2/3rds of WF roster has been redshirted with many 5th seniors. Depth & time makes a difference, no matter the individual talent.

Before the start of the year if you were told the team would be 6-2 eight games in, most would say nope! Most would say 4-4 at best with the 4 losses coming with the first 4.

Progress. Patiance.

Typically, a program with depth will replace Juniors and Sophomores with players like Spence and Forston. These guys are actually our #1's.

So, we must dig deeper to true Freshman like Ray Ray and Mike James.

As a program, not a team, we will be back when we can roll out redshirt Sophomores and Juniors to replace our seniors.

Until then, we have to assess our team's inconsistencies and depth with a grain of salt.

The bottom line is that we won, 6-2, and have a shot at the ACC.

Not all is lost and I'm proud of what the U has accomplished so far this season, but I obviously see the holes.

What a great come from behind win for da U. The team showed heart and courage. They still have lots of work to do. The O-line was very disappointing. Whipple didnt help the line with play actions, 5 and 7 step drops. He should have went with the short passing game. We must execute better on 3rd downs (Both sides of the ball). Yesterday's game reminded me of the FSU game last year only this time we won. In both games we look confused on defense. We had no answers. We let them dictate tempo. With that being said. Game balls go to J.Harris (Must start seeing the field better. Starting to lock on to receivers). T.Collier (We must get him involved more. A playmaker). A.Johnson (Big time catches all game. Offensive line, Defense and Whipple's play calling, has a lot of work to do.

As a fan, I'll take the win; for now...

However, Da U really needs to step it up, in finding a way to be more efficient on offense. For years our defense seems to feed off of the offense, and this year is no different.

I remember reading Randy Shannon's comment, speaking to the fact that, this year the offense will simply have to outscore some teams; in order for Da U to win.. Guess Randy knew what he was speaking of in that regard.

I'm a Shannon supporter, but it really irks me that Randy Shannon - being the great Defensive Co-Ordination that he was for all those years - hasn't kind of stepped into Lovette's office, and broken down what he wants implemented on Defense for certain situations...

Clearly our Defensive backs aren't where we need them to be, so by not blitzing, we're killing our chances in going 3 and out when we need to...

Maybe this near loss will wake the crew up.. But I thought the same thing with the Clemson loss...

Gee's / I mean Lets go Canes !! (LOL)

Whoever said hire Butch Davis is an idiot. Plus your name is stupid. There are plenty of guys on this team that would start for those teams. You're a moron. Why were all those teams recruiting the same players? Another Gator fan disguising himself so cleverly.

More on being more efficient..

That reminds me, it's been said tat Whipple was going to roll out more of his playbook as the year goes on, maybe that's where the confusion has set in, with the guys being unable to put it together like earlier in the season.

I know its tough to continue to run the same plays week in and week out, but I rather let thos guys work with the same plays they know liek th eback of their hand.

At least that would give Jacory the ability to only have a responsibility of reading the coverage on the feild and make the right throw...

Rather than trying to remember where the receiver is (with the new play just learns this week maybe); in addition to trying to figure out the defense...

Just a thought??

Lets go Canes !!

These players are young and yes we all get pissed and complain and hate, but this was a team that lost to Navy when Navy didn't even attempt a pass. We looked unprepared and lackluster. The coaching staff has to do a better job. That being said we are better than last year, because we would have lost this game last year. This offense has got to get it together. They are going to have to score points in bunches with all the injuries on defense.

Jacory throws the deep ball the best. Honestly thats all he really can do. He doesnt have the ability to throw the mid range bullets like Riley Skinner, Christian Ponder, or Russel Wilson. Harris makes up for his lack of ability in that area with his confidence in his stronger abilities and his confidence in his teammates. I love Harris, no buts. Great win Canes.

P.S. We need Pat Hill and Javarris James, there is a reason they were named starters in the beginning of the season.

Wasn't ABC supposed to announce the time of the Virginia game at noon today?


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Wake Forest thoughts
NEW YORK -- Greetings from the Big Apple. As you can see, I didn't end up going to Wake Forest this weekend to catch the Canes. After covering Games 1 and 2 of the World Series, I was asked to stick around and help cover Sunday's Dolphins-Jets game. It worked out well because my wife and I got to attend her grandmother's 102nd birthday this afternoon.

Between those family moments, I was able to follow the game on my Blackberry before I was able to sneak away and catch about the last 10 minutes on TV (I started watching right when DeMarcus Van Dyke grabbed his first career interception). Some quick thoughts on the game and more since I've been away all week...

> When it was 27-14 in the fourth quarter all I kept thinking about was how badly Randy Shannon and his coaching staff must have been getting ripped by some in Canes Nation. Now, after the thrilling come-from-behind win, I'm guessing some of them are back to being "his biggest supporters." Got to love the fine line between loved and hated.

> The Hurricanes are now 6-2, 3-2 in ACC play. To me, all we've really learned over the last four games is that this team isn't as great as we thought they were (Yes, that was a little Dennis Green like).

Look, I'm not taking anything away from Miami's blowout of Georgia Tech or the 21-20 win against Oklahoma. But those four ranked opponents UM played to start the year now have a combined record of 22-11. The last four games haven't been played against better teams either. And yet, no matter how uncomfortable you feel about the Canes this morning (and you might be asking yourself are really that much better?), progress HAS been made.

This team has won games this year it didn't win last year and accomplished things it failed to do last year. UM played another wild game against FSU, but won. They grabbed a double-digit lead against Oklahoma and didn't let the Sooners come back on them like North Carolina did in 2008. They struggled against UCF again, but stepped on the gas and surged ahead instead of letting the Knights stick around. And finally, Saturday, they fought back from 17-0 down in the first half and 27-14 in the fourth quarter and won.

It's not major progress (this clearly isn't a Canes team on the same level of many of the other great ones before it and still has a long ways to get there). But it's still a better football team than the last four Miami has had.

> I think it's officially safe to say Mark Whipple was right about his offense last month when he said they weren't nearly as good as he wants them to be. How Miami had two yards of total offense in the second half before embarking on its game-winning drive was eye-opening. Give Jacory Harris credit for leading UM on the game-winning drive, but he and his receivers still have work to do.

> Wet conditions or not, Leonard Hankerson had drops he shouldn't have. Hankerson is definitely the most improved player on the team. But he's not completely beyond struggles. Miami is lucky Aldarius Johnson and Travis Benjamin were able to hang onto a couple big pass plays. UM definitely needs every one of its receivers. None of them has been able to separate themselves as the definite go-to-guy.

> This pass defense is a lot like the offensive line -- average on its best days. UM's defense gave up 555 yards to Wake Forest. But 408 yards came through the air. According to the media guide, it was the third-most passing yards ever against UM. Wake Forest ranked fifth in the ACC in pass offense and has a good quarterback in Riley Skinner. But there are just way too many times when guys are wide open. It wasn't just this week.

FYI... I'll be back on the Canes beat Tuesday (this time I mean it).

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First!! ***holes!

Posted by: Q | November 01, 2009 at 12:39 AM

Amen - lots to be done. THis is a very, very flawed team.

Thaddeus Lewis blitzes us thru the air.
UNC's D shuts down our schizoid O
BJ Daniels runs wild on us

3 (at least) more losses coming.

Posted by: Caned Again | November 01, 2009 at 12:39 AM

LAMES!

Posted by: Q | November 01, 2009 at 12:39 AM

that whats up

Posted by: HurricaneRic Machiaveli | November 01, 2009 at 12:43 AM

Keep it real, wake lost to navy for god sake. what was thought to be a favorable schedule, is now one we will struggle through everygame...including duke. cool all the jacory harris for heisman b.s.! he was throwing balls up for grabs all day. there should have been around 4 pick-6's for td's by wake's defense. wake should have won, hands down! this team has not made the progress we all had hoped, will they ever?? we all got too over-excited about the start to the season, i guess we should have waited till it was over to make before we praised shannon or harris!

Posted by: norm 4 | November 01, 2009 at 12:58 AM

I'm so sick of you fair weather fans! We won today! All you band wagon jumpers make me sick. You forget the 98-99 season where we struggled, then 2 years later we were national champions. If you don't believe in this team then please keep your mouths shut. We don't need the negativity. Alot of the bandwagon fans of the U back in the "probation" days are now UFlorida fans. Please stay there, we don't need you now.

Posted by: Bigbwoi | November 01, 2009 at 01:31 AM

All these people calling for us to lose to Duke are out of their minds. Even with the injuries we are still better than all the rest of the teams we play. Will we win out, that remains to be seen but we will beat Duke, give me a break..

Posted by: Carlos | November 01, 2009 at 01:33 AM

still got faith in this team and da coaching staff. always have and always will (through thick and thin) Y U ask. cuz im from Miami. i dont go to the university of miami, i dont go to the games and i dont need to.I got all da luv in da world for da team. dey dont need to have an on-campus stadium. canes teams from da past always took care of business in da OB. and dey can take care of business at joe robbie staduim. was the difference in da neighborhoods. for all U putos dat want to criticize Coach Shannon, Coach Whipple, Coach lovett or whoever, u can go be gator fan, go be root for da fsu. it dont matter . U not wanted in da STATE OF MIAMI


Posted by: emilio | November 01, 2009 at 01:33 AM

Spot on analysis, as usual, Manny. The '09 Canes are winning games they would have lost last year. We are better.

If not for such a large % of the starters being out for the season, I think the defense would look better.

It will be a struggle b/c of those injuries, but we will win out.

Btw, for those who don't know, the negative comments come mostly from other team's fans. They are rightly worried...

Posted by: LongTimeCaneFan | November 01, 2009 at 01:56 AM

My hairless ball-sac smells better than SHannon's game plans...

Posted by: Caned Again | November 01, 2009 at 01:10 AM

Amen - lots to be done. THis is a very, very flawed team.

Thaddeus Lewis blitzes us thru the air.
UNC's D shuts down our schizoid O
BJ Daniels runs wild on us

3 (at least) more losses coming.

Posted by: Caned Again | November 01, 2009 at 12:39 AM
ARE U ONE OF THOSE TIGHT JEANS WERAING REDNECK WHITE BOY FAN WITH YOUR LAME ASS COMMENTS.....U ARE WHAT CANE FANS CAN DO WITHOUT

Wasn't ABC supposed to announce the time of the Virginia game at noon today?

The injuries do hurt, because the second level of this team is so young. Our first team can compete with and defeat the best. Our second team is just as talented bu inexperienced and inconsistent. I think what is happening is that both lines are breaking down, so both sides of the ball are becoming erratic. For the D, the d-line and linebackers are all out, and we're starting young guys and getting no rotation. Someone above asked where all the young linebackers were...they're hurt on the sidelines. Spence and Futch were the furthest along, and they're both out.

The O-line has been playing 5 guys all year, and the pressure on Harris has slowly built up in each game. They aren't lasting the entire game anymore. Someone else has to step up, but I agree with the coaches not playing guys before they're ready. Still, at some point the underprepared will outperform the exhausted, and I think that point is coming soon for the o-line.

No excuse for the receivers dropping balls. Hankerson's were the worst, but Benjamin and Byrd also had a few. I know it was raining, but come on.

Oh, and I love that a guy named Storm is on his way to the Canes. Welcome aboard buddy.

storm johnson to The U. kid looks like a beast.

does anyone else think that harris throws a soft ball not matter the type of route. He needs to putt the ball on a line and get it to his receivers. He alwyas tries to put to much touch on his passes.

With the commitment of Storm Johnson it builds upon the saying of building depth. With Mike James,Lamar Miller,Damien Berry and Craig Cooper it creates depth so that if one player is hurt, there is anothner capable running back to carry the load.

Wasn't ABC supposed to announce the time of the Virginia game at noon today?

Posted by: j3ff | November 01, 2009 at 01:53 PM

HIGH NOON

How do you know it's noon? Link please

ALL-KNOWING


Nevermind. ESPN is slow as hell apparently:

http://www.theacc.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/110109aaa.html

I was at the wake game and was just wondering if anyone else saw the near fight between epps and Franklin after they gave up that huge sack.

NO WAY- I STILL THINK SHANNON IS A BUST- WIN OR NOT. IF NOT FOR A FUMBLE, AND HOLDING, WE LOSE BY AT LEAST 2 TDS. SHANNON WILL NEVER GET US THERE.

Good to have you back Manny!

I'm still ripping the coaching staff, that win feels like a loss. Wake Forest gift-wrapped a game for us. Randy Shannon must go.

Progress has been made in terms of our record, but factor in that it's a down year in college football. Oklahoma and Georgia Tech are not great teams. FSU has a horrible defense. Those wins only get cheaper as the season progresses. Remember how we celebrated beating FSU; now I wonder how it ever came down to the last play.

This team is winning games it didn't win last year because of Whipple's offense. We outscored FSU and OU. Lost to Virginia Tech and Clemson because we couldn't score. We are a little more explosive on offense...that's the only difference. The defense has only improved because McCathy is still in the lineup. Take Colin out and it's last year's defense.

Randy Shannon was right about having to outscore teams? No. IMO that's Shannon putting a spin on the fact that he's not a good X's and O's coach. He can't fix this defense all he can do is continue to recruit talent and hope he ends up with a defense similar to 2001.

There is no logic to playing a base defense for an entire game where you are getting ripped apart. There are no adjustments on defense and we are literal hoping someone can make a play.

The only difference between us and Randy Shannon yesterday was that he had a better view of the game. He's not coaching, he's hoping someone does something. It's sad to watch.

Anyone should be able to come on here and rip this coaching staff, it doesn't mean your not a fan. In fact, it means you care enough to voice an opinion.

I did graduate from UM, I do attend games, and I do have the right to come on here and criticize this program.

You think you're helping by accepting a gift win from a Wake Forest? Do you think that type of attitude is going to get us anywhere? Do you honestly think we are going to be better next year? That was Wake Forest...I basketball school, and they were about to blow us out of the stadium!

Doubters & negative opinions persists. That's South Florida & fans of other teams for you. Even during the 2001 NC team there were doubters. Ppl back then did not think DJ Williams was living up to his hype. Can't please everyone. There's always view points & anyone can make their argument. The question is does it have weight?

We want Butch!

Some criticism can be productive. Many on this blog is just straight out of their you know what. So much hate toward coaches/players are not productive criticism.

One thing I would criticise or question is why did they not press & jam the WF receivers since they were doing so many short & mid range crossing patterns?

But to just single out a coach/player & say they suck or should go does not provide a thoughtful critical view point. Just shows hate. Flat out.

If Riley Skinner doesn't get knocked out, we lose the game pure and simple. Definitely dodged a bullet. I understand that our D has been decimated by injuries but good teams have reserves step up and make plays. Rembember Tiger Clark tearing it up in the Orange Bowl when Mira was ineligible? Buchannon and Brown were all world in high school so it's hard for me to believe that they can't be coached up and be successful on this level.

CANES NAB ESPN #34 RECRUIT OUT OF NOWHERE

Nobody has ever mentioned Storm's name with Miami until today - when he committed to the Canes.
Loganville (Ga.) High School RB Storm Johnson, per Rivals and ESPN. He'll be on UM's campus in January.

The Canes will finish with the country's top recruiting class. Time to get on board.

Tiger Clark was a Red Shirt Junior when he stepped in for Mira. Who your asking to step in now & be like Tiger are TRUE Sophmores. They may have been great HS ballers, but even Spence really should be what Futch was doing for the U. A reserve Special Teams monster. But lack of depth is forcing these kids to play earlier than they should which will lead to injury.

Man o man can we now end all the beat the gators jaorcy for heisman woohaaw..CANES SUCK..WAKE FOREST??? Seriously? Do you think Ray Lewis or Sapp would be like oh a win against WAKE is a win? Get real randy shannigans blows...


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