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Extra points and observations: Florida State

The point of this blog every week is to recap the good and the bad following a Hurricanes game. I will do that again this week after UM's 45-17 loss to Florida State, but I'm starting with a much broader point of view: 

THE BIG QUESTION... Was Saturday's blowout loss to the Seminoles just an ugly loss/growing pain? Or, was it a loud affirmation Randy Shannon and his staff are simply not up to the challenge of getting this program turned around?

Randy Shannon > The Hurricanes played their worst game of the season -- and probably their worst since they were manhandled by Oklahoma 51-13 in Shannon's second game as a coach in 2007. The defense gave up 298 yards rushing, produced no sacks, one turnover (forgot about Vaughn Telemaque's INT) and its leader (Colin McCarthy) picked up a really dumb penalty on a late hit. The offense produced only 17 points and for the second week in a row failed to complete even half of its passes. The special teams had a horrendous day on kickoff coverage and Matt Bosher once again had a field goal attempt go wrong. The players weren't the only ones who didn't get the job done. Mark Whipple and Jon Lovett, second year coordinators at UM, were taken to school by Jimbo Fisher and his staff in just their sixth game together. Afterward, UM coach Randy Shannon shouldered some of the blame. 

If there is one positive from Saturday's game -- and believe me there is only one -- it is that the Hurricanes can still turn things around, win their division, play for an Atlantic Coast Conference title and potentially play in a BCS Bowl game. But the real question here isn't if the Canes can do that. They can. The ACC is putrid and right now nobody in the Coastal Division is that much better than UM. The real questions: Why were the Canes embarrassed by a Florida State that was 7-6 a year ago? Why are the Canes, in the fourth season under Shannon, still struggling to even be among the Top 25 teams in the nation? 

With Saturday's loss, UM fell to 3-8 against ranked opponents under Shannon and 24-19 overall. Larry Coker went 53-9 and won a national title before he was fired in 2006. Coker's record against Top 25 ranked teams was 18-13. Add those numbers up and it makes UM only 21-21 vs. ranked teams since the start of the 2001. Greatness? This once proud program is fighting just to be mediocre.

Shannon, who signed a four-year extension before this season, can still turn things around. He can still do what he's done the past few years and finish with a better record than he did the year before. Mathematically he can. But after Saturday's whooping, are we really confident that will happen? Those wins at Pittsburgh and Clemson aren't nearly as sexy as we thought they were. Both of those teams are now 2-3. What about the rest of that "easy schedule?" Does anyone really believe North Carolina and Butch Davis are just going to roll over when they come to Sun Life Stadium in two weeks? Is Virginia Tech, which lost to an FCS school, going to come in unprepared under Frank Beamer? How about that trip to Atlanta in late November? You think Georgia Tech won't be a better football team?

College football isn't what it used to be. We know that. Parity paints itself all over the Top 25. Boise State, TCU, Utah -- they're all Top 25 teams from non-BCS conferences.

But is it really unfair to ask this program to be at the top of a mediocre ACC with one of the richest areas for talent in the country in its backyard? Is it too much to ask them to show up prepared and enthusiastic about a national television showdown with its biggest rival? The 2008 recruiting class, tabbed No. 1 by ESPN, is in its third year at UM. Those five-star high school seniors aren't babies anymore. They've been through at least two springs and three summers with trainer Andreu Swasey. Physically, they're supposed to be able to play at a high level, not get pushed around like they were Saturday by players from Florida State who had just as many stars next to their names as they did coming out of high school.

Can any coach or player on this team explain why missed tackles is still an issue, why this team still looks still terrible on kickoff and punt coverage, why they're still getting beat up front by opposing teams on both sides of the ball, and why they're still thin at positions like quarterback, tight end, defensive tackle and linebacker?

Better yet, can anyone explain the regression of the passing game when just a year ago people were talking about Jacory Harris as a Heisman candidate and his receivers as possibly the best unit in the country? It's certainly not a question of talent or having the time to coach 'em up.

The bottomline is this team isn't playing at the level it should. Individually, the list of players not meeting expectations in terms of growth and potential far exceeds those who are blossoming into better players. For every Sean Spence, Brandon Harris, Damien Berry and Leonard Hankerson, there are players like Ben Jones, Jeremy Lewis, Kendall Thompkins, Tommy Streeter and John Calhoun who have been at UM for three years and still haven't seen the field. Those aren't Coker's recruits. 

Blame the players for not delivering. But can we also point the finger at Shannon for a few things, too? Like, why doesn't Jacory Harris have a backup quarterback who could fill in now that he's hurt and struggling? Why is Harris being asked to play with an injured left shoulder, a sore groin and gimpy hamstrings? Why isn't A.J. Highsmith capable of filling in? If Highsmith isn't a capable quarterback, why didn't the Canes go out and find someone to backup Harris when Robert Marve and two other quarterbacks bolted?

Why, in the last four years, has the Hurricanes' only reliable tight end been a converted basketball player? Why are Sean Spence and Ramon Buchanon the only reliable linebackers this program has been able to bring in over the last four years and make better? Why can a guy like Sam Shields, who was a disappointment in his college career, go undrafted and all of a sudden become a starting cornerback for the Green Bay Packers? Can anyone explain to me how Willie Williams and Arthur Brown went from being the No. 1 high school linebackers in the nation to not doing a darn thing in this program? I still can't understand it.

I could go on (I haven't even really touched recruiting), but I hope I've made my point. Four years into Shannon's run as coach there are still a lot of troubling questions and trends that haven't been resolved. Again, things can turn around. Hope shouldn't be lost. There is talent here. There is opportunity. Shannon isn't a stranger to winning. He's been around it. He's been a part of it. Now, he has to make it happen as a head coach. 

And if he doesn't, if the Canes stagger down the stretch, will anything be done? You would like to think the clock is ticking, that expectations would be higher than this for a program that has won five national titles. But it seems like nobody at Miami is really keeping score of wins and losses anymore except the fans and boosters. Good GPAs and clean police records appear to count a lot more than touchdowns and field goals. That's probably the way it should be. But it just sounds strange for a program that spent 20 jubilant years collecting championships and loading up on swagger to be satisfied with mediocrity on the field. And it makes you wonder if the Canes will ever be great again.

QUICK HITTERS

> Senior Damien Berry had a costly first half fumble in Saturday's loss that led to an FSU touchdown. But he responded by finishing with 101 yards on 20 carries. He also had a 26-yard touchdown run. Berry has fumbled once in 180 carries at UM. That's a pretty good percentage.

> For a team that spent extra time last week catching passes, the Hurricanes are still a team plagued by the drops. Unofficially, I've counted 30 drops in UM's first five games. That's six a game. Turn half of those into completions and Jacory Harris' 52.4 completion percentage isn't the worst in the ACC among starting quarterbacks.

> Chris Thompson's 90-yard touchdown run at the end of the game was the longest against UM in team history. I don't want to accuse the Canes of quitting, but right before his 90-yard burst, Thompson had a 50-yard run called back by a holding penalty. The 90-yard run? That came on the same exact run to the same exact side on the very next play. 

> Since his punt return for a touchdown against Ohio State, Travis Benjamin has fielded six punts and returned them for a total of 14 yards. 

> Special teams ace Cory Nelms didn't play Saturday against Florida State. He's good. But do you mean to tell me he would have made up for Florida State starting a pair of drives at the UM 45 and 43 yard lines? Is Nelms' absence really the reason Greg Reid and the Seminoles (who came in with the worst kickoff return unit in the country statistically) had a field day? Seems to me like there are bigger problems than the absence of a former walk-on.

> Almost forgot -- how about some props for safety Vaughn Telemaque? His first career pick was about the only highlight for the Canes defense. But he got it. 

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Manny, I am really excited about hoops!!!! How is Reggie Johnson looking?

good questions and reasonably done manny

Even if the season falls apart he'll still be here. He has the new contract and like you said Manny, the school likes the way he runs his program.

Great article man! I always like your work

Gary H Tampa

I hear you LOUD and CLEAR bro.

Nice piece Manny. Very good questions and points.

But you know as well as anyone else that 5-Star busts happen all the time. WW was on the cusp and bounced because he's an idiot decision maker. Now he's not playing anywhere unless it's the arena league or something.

AB isn't even enrolled in a school and was given every shot to take over the MLB but failed.

And the reason we're still thin at LB is because that great c/o 2008 with all those LBs was a bust other than Spence. Buchanon's played well but he's a converted safety. Futch busted his knee when he was about to break out, and the result were other casualties, Marti, Kane and AB.

Now maybe we could've filled the holes last year but we needed OL.

It was what it was cleaning up after Coker.

Nicely done Manny. It just seems that everytime i want to believe in the canes they always let me down. Ohio state, VT and Wisconsin last year. The recruiting class doesn't look great and Jacory is in a funk. I dont know why Miami gave Shannon an extension anyway. He still has much to prove as a head coach and if he cant recruit what good will he do for the program except keep players out of trouble. I want to recapture our swagger! Hire a proven coach, Jimmy Johnson or John Gruden!

Could not agree with you more, im extremely dissapointed in my canes.

Randy's a very good man, has done an excellent job at getting more talent into the U and doing things the right way in the classroom and off the field, but now it's time for someone to come in and take things to the next level. Gruden or Leach would be high on my list...and offensive guy would be best. We can keep our present def. coordinator or Randy can go back to that the same way Dave Campo did in Dallas.

Bravo Manny!!! The only thing I would add is that we are glad we have a good record on graduation rate and clean police records but equally we need to have the TD's and W's. I don't subscribe to the notion that only thugs will bring over the TD's and W's. This are good talented kids that can excel at both good graduation rates and TD's and Wins. Most successful programs excel in both areas, why can't we?

Donna Shalala is KILLING this program.

We will win NOTHING until she is gone & we can start recruiting the local THUGS and RETARDS in South Florida.

Great article Manny. I especially agree with you regarding player development. Seems like NFL couches develop our players better than our couches which is counter intuitive. Also why don't we have a solid underclassman QB that can come in if Harris gets hurt? How is that building a team/program. Our Tight situation is a joke ...Chase Ford has drop most of the passes thrown his way. Gotta give props to Berry he played with Heart!

Im scared to say that we can win out because anything can happen. But if we dont make it to the acc title game and lose our bowl game then what? Do we fire RS even though he got an extension? Recruiting? UF and FSU have top 10 classes right now and this loss doesn't help. One more year with JH and company, what to expect idk. I just want us to get back to being national contenders. I feel bad for Darren Howard how picked us to win the national title.

Does anybody notice other coaching staffs standing lifeless,emotionless on the sidelines...even pro coaches show emotion.I see a direct correlation between the way this team plays and the coaches lack of emotion.Hey Randy watch the coaches who gave YOU those rings! Learn!Standing lifeless also makes me wonder if you know what you're doing(deer in the headlights

I would like to see AJ and Spencer play against Duke. What I wonder though, is if they got caught listening to Herby. Clemson was the trap game and we get pass that one, we will run the table. I also think if we lose to NC again. Shannon needs to go.

CHANGE!!!

Manny great stuff! You are with this team day in and day out... You know whats going on better than anyone.

We appreciate your excellent work.

Your best work yet Manny.

Great article Manny. Your best work so far this year. I agree with every point you made. I especially like the point you made about the up comming teams on our schedule. I wanted this team to be a top 10 team and win the ACC more then anyone. Even a lot of the national media bought into this years team. This team 5 games through this year is the biggest fraud in the country. I keep seeing post of we still can run the table, beat FSU in the rematch for the ACC title, and then beat a top 10 team in the Orange Bowl. Fellow fans for your own good wake up this team is a fraud! This team is headed for at least 3 more losses during the reguler season. Shannon and staff is not capable of turning this team around in mid season just the way they have been unable to turn the program around in 4 years. It is heart breaking for a 27 year die hard fan like me to come to realty, but you got to start looking at the numbers and not you feelings!!

i couldn't have questioned the state of the 'Canes better myself...

Staying positive, we have 53 days 'till the 10-2, #9 'Canes play the top-5, 11-1 'Noles again.

53 days 'till we regain the respect of the CFB world.

Wow Manny, I never thought I'd see this article out of U. So to the point. Tell me, after this posts, are U banned from UM practice and Shannon has U officially off the interview list?

The truth is so much better than having Manny crap rainbows and butterflies. Great article.

Manny, Agreed. Couldn't say it better...

To others posting, I'll take a moment for some therapy (at your expense): I'm not let down, disappointed, no not exactly....while this may be overdramatic; but, after this game, I was/am actually depressed and really could care less about college football right now. As a season ticket holder, Hurricane Club Member, investing a significant chunk of change on our tickets, I deserve some motivation and energy from the team. If the players don't stand up like Ed Reed and others in the past(as Randy blamed them on Michael Irvin's show) its the Coaches' jobs to do it. He declined to agree that the Canes came out flat...Really, Really...after what we all saw, he is really going to come out with that garbage? How F-ing blind does he think we are? As I lay back on my couch, I have to admit, it just might be time for us to agree that Randy may not be the one to get us big time wins. If anyone can name a big time win under Randy Shannon, please let me know. If you think Oklahoma was one, please....their best players were out and they still kept it close. For anyone thinking I'm a RS basher, my history on here is proof that's not the case, but after this, how else can you explain the most telling fact of all...we just got btchslapped from a team that went 7-6 last year, with a new coach, and a new defense. How long have we heard excuses about new cordinators, new offense, new defense, the need for time to recruit and get his players in...on and on. Yet here we are almost the same place we were last year....talking about what could have been and what we have to look forward to next year....I don't know...maybe I need a hug from my mommy or something...but until this FSU Beatdown funk is gone.....Anyone hear any NBA news?

Manny this should be published on the front page of the Miami Herald.

Manny, this blog was spot on... This program has been irrelavent for close to a decade. I think it is safe to say that the current UM administration could care less about the Hurricane's record or tradition. They would rather get a staff on the cheap and have a good graduate. This administration puts nothing into thier football program. They take most of the money the football program makes, spends it else where and then looks for donations to make any renivation or improvements, which are few and far between. Therefore I have decided I will no longer make donations to the athletic department or re-new season tickets untill something is done. I will not spend one single cent on this garbage product untill changes are made. A good start would be to can Shannon at seasons end. It is painfully obvious he is way over his head. If he really cared about this program he would swallow his pride and resign. He does not have what it takes to be a successfull head coach at a D1 program. It is a real sad state of affairs in Miami. What a shame this once proud football team of my alma mater has been reduced to this. Just pathetic...

Spurrier has been @ SC for 6 years. He just beat #1 Alabama ...

South Carolina is alot different from the U. We expect National Titles and the talent is right here for every position except QB.

Jon Beason was an ‘average’ linebacker while at UM? Now that’s news…probably most especially to Jon!

Willie Williams went on to play at several other programs after playing at the “U” and was never a star player despite his 5 star ranking coming out of high school. Is this Randy’s fault?

Arthur Brown was intellectually challenged and simply could not pick-up the system no matter how hard the coaches tried to help him. By the way, how’s Arthur doing at K-State now that’s he got a real coach?

Bryce Brown was also considered the nations #1 recruit and thought about attending the “U”. He has been a bust so far. So, in “Manny World” I guess that’s Randy’s fault as well.

Interestingly, you failed to mention Jonathan Vilma--was he also an average linebacker while at the “U” under Randy’s tutorship? Did Randy fail him? Listen, I don’t want to be raining on your rip on Shannon, but it would be helpful if you at least tried to state all of the facts versus skewing things to fit your narrative with you being a…well…uh… journalist and all.

After the FSU fiasco Randy Shannon is an easy target and slamming him at this juncture to ‘SOME’ of your readers is red ‘contaminated’ meat to the Hyenas.

Randy, his assistant coaches and players ‘WILL’ win the Coastal Division and the rematch and subsequent win over FSU will be one of the great comebacks in college football history. Of course when this does happen SOME journalists and fans will find a way to dilute this accomplishment.

Sorry to be such a downer for some of you by refusing to quit on this year's team, but at least it gives you someone to hate and direct your venom at other than the kids and Randy...the stage is yours!

Manny your article hit the nail on the head. Whats the deal with Asante Cleveland? Before the year started the tight ends were supposed to be making these unbelievable catches and I havent been impressed one bit so far. I feel like the play calling is so predictable, I am not sure if its because they run the exact same plays every week or what but it seems like last year there were new plays every week that caught teams way off guard. There definitely doesnt seem like there is any accountability on the team. Jacorys problems seem to be focusing on his recievers as everyone could tell saturday while he tried to hit benjamin and had a wide open richard gordon. If the team doesnt come out in the first quarter and dominate like they should against Duke, Randy needs to bench the starters and let the younger guys give it a shot. I would rather watch backups compete and lose then watch starters show lack of focus

Manny, congratulations not only on writing an interesting and accurate article but, most importantly, on having the stones to say what has to be said. If Donna Shalala want UM to be the Duke of SE Florida, that would be an admirable undertaking. However, strating today she needs to let a legion of UM football fans know that academics and not athletics are the primary focus. Randy Shannon, though an improvement over Coker, has overseen talented but undisciplined football teams in his time at UM. Additionally, your points about the inability to win big games are right on. The Canes used ti be known not only for winning the big ones but also , and especially, the big ones at home. Lets stop the political correctness that has seemingly gripped those who judge a good performance throughout our country and evaluate Shannon based on his book of work. The GPA for football players may be increasing, but Randy and his staff are C- as of now.

Best Post I have read on here in years Manny! Finally someone other than us that sees and speaks the truth. What I want to know is how can anyone with a competent, rational way of thinking support this guy. Shannon was outcoached by a guy with no headcoaching experience just as shannon started out with 4 years ago and he can blame anyone other than himself. Yes he is a good man but that don't win games. People are always saying that no body comes to the games. I am going to let u people in on a secret, people are not going to waste time or money going to see losers. They want winners and then the stands get filled up. Theres alot of good nice men out there that are good role models but that does not mean they need to be the Head Coach for the University of Miami's football team either.

Thats it Caneslice hit Shalala and others in charge where it hurts in the pocket. Maybe everyone will follow your lead. Its like the Cane said on the U documentary that those buildings were put up with the money they brought in with the football program. I say the money the football program brings in stays with the football program and the others can do the best they can on their own.

Canes Fan Beason wasn't anything at Miami but just another player now he starts for an NFL team. Man there isn't going to be any ACC title game for Miami or a rematch with FSU or Miami beating them. Give it up U are pulling for a loser in SHannon. Stop being blinded by personal prejudices

WOW!!!! I GUESS THERE IS NO REASON TO BE SURPRISE OF THE INTERNET BASHING BY THE SO CALLED "UM FANS", BUT THE LAST TIME I CHECKED EVERYBODY LOSES FOOTBALL GAMES, I MEAN ALABAMA WHICH WAS THE #1 TEAM IN THE COUNTRY LOST SATURDAY, BUT DIDN'T HEAR ANYONE ASKING FOR SABAN JOB OR KILLED THE QB OR REPLACE THE SCHOOL PRESIDENT. I THINK THIS IS A SAD DAY FOR THE CITY OF MIAMI, THE UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI AND EVERYONE AFFILIATED WITH THE SCHOOL, I'VE BEEN A UM FAN SINCE I WAS OLD ENOUGH TO KNOW WHAT UM STOOD FOR AND TO COME ON THIS WEBSITE AND READ ALL THE THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN READING ABOUT THIS FOOTBALL TEAM, THE PLAYERS AND THE COACHING STAFF ITS TASTELESS AND DEFINITELY UNACCEPTABLE. MANNY AND THE WRITERS FROM THE HERALD SHOULD BE FINE FOR WRITING OUT SOME OF THE ARTICLES THEY'VE BEEN PUTTING OUT LATELY. YOU EVER HEARD OF THE SAYING, EVERYONE DOESN'T HAVE TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE THINKING OR JUST BECAUSE YOU THINK IT DOEASN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO PUBLISH IT? BUT, MANNY YOU CONTINUE TO SHOW THE CITY OF MIAMI AND THE UM THAT YOU ARE GOING TO WRITE WHATEVER COMES TO YOUR MIND AND THAT YOU COULD CARELESS HOW THESE KIDS AND THE COACHES FEEL. IN MY OPINION, COACH SHAANON SHOULD BANNED HIMSELF AND THE REST OF THE PLAYERS AND COACHES FROM GIVING YOU AND THE OTHER WRITERS INTERVIEWS FOR THE REMIANDER OF THE SEASON. GO CANES

Time for Randy to go. OL coach, ST/TE coach, D coordinator, WR coach all suck, as does HC. This is not the U I know. I'm done supporting this clown of a coach and a program that doesn't care.

Quinton Moore, turn off your caps lock...dumbass. Manny simply posted questions that need to be asked. If there are problems with the team, things need to be done.

I have to agree. If he can not get the job done. We need to go to one of the mid major schools and look for a head coach and staff. Or look in the SEC, I love UM more than Randy.

Hey Quinton, Last time I checked Saban had 2 national titles to his credit and he went to an Alabama team that was in disary and promply I might add led them to a conference title game and a BCS bowl birth his first year. The second year he led them to a conference championship and a National title going undefeated in the toughest conference in the NCAA. Then this year which is his third, he played top 25 teams three weeks in a row with the opposing team having an extra week to prepare for Bama. NOt to mention he lost to a guy who already has a National Title to his name in Spurrier. Shannon is in his 4th year as a head coach and got outcoached by a guy in his first year as a head coach and got blew out in his home stadium by our archrival. Is all of that sinking in your thick skull. And as far as Manny goes he just speaks the truth plain and simple. U know that goes with that freedom of speech and the press in the constitution of our country right? And it does not matter whether Shannon Bans Manny or not because Manny will have his job alot longer than that idiot SHannon that we have as a coach with games like Saturday nites. Oh and just so you know Saturday was the saddest day in Hurricanes history, not today.

championships is all that matters, Saban went 7-6 his 1st year and lost to a FCS(Div II) school but has been successful from the 2008 season on up

Manny thanks for speaking the truth brother. It took a lot ogf guts to say what you just stated. My respect level just went up 10 folds for you...

A fan, Thanks bro, my fault.

Very well written blog and spot on. It's good to know I'm not alone in holding Shannon more accountable for this team's performance. Thank you for having the courage to stand up and sayimg what needed to be said. That said, I still think you're being a lot more optimistic than me. I think I've seen enough of Shannon to conclude that he's not getting done and worse yet, probably never will.

Manny,

Please tell Mr. Cote that the reason that Shannon gets more vitriol than Sparano has nothing to do with race. Sparano took a 1-15 team, went 11-5 and won the AFC East. Anyone who is a Dolphins fan knows that the team has done an atrocious job of drafting players, and LeBatard hit the nail on the head when he said Parcells is getting an unwarranted free pass for putting together a long term failure and then running away like a thieving coward. Sparano doesn't pick the players. Shannon, however, does pick them. He recruits and is responsible for developing them. In the NFL pure talent usually wins. In college, coaching has a BIG, BIG impact on Wins and Losses. You think Boise State has more talent than the big D1 programs? Not a chance. Shannon has so much talent available in S. Fla it's ridiculous. However, I ask any fan to name ONE big game where the Canes have shown up in a "statement game." G Tech last year? That's the only "big game" I can think of. Last year when they needed a couple victories? Failure. And this last week, against an in-state rival to put on that kind of performance? Should have been fired right after the game. No more chances. You have one job- to prepare players to win games. You have recruited your own players, hired your own staff (and your are right about Swasey, the S&C, failing yearly on the "strength" part of his title). Time after time, the team has failed and been "unprepared." No business would allow a manager with this track record to stay in their employ. We alumni and boosters can complain to the high heavens, but nothing will change until Shalala gets the message that mediocrity is simply not acceptable. IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE HIGH ACADEMIC STANDARDS AND WIN AT FOOTBALL. Please continue publishing articles and putting pressure on the administration to make a change.

Good writeup. A lot of the points that Manny made are true and are issues for UM, but this isn't as bad as it seems and UM is a better team than it showed on Saturday. Keep in mind that Jimbo has been at FSU for the last 3 years, so this is almost his offense and even some of the defensive recruits can be attributed to him. Also remember that FSU played BYU, Wake, and UVA (all easier teams) before UM, who just played Clemson (still a tougher opponent, though 2-3). Additionally, FSU might just be a better team than we all thought.

Overall, this isn't that big of a deal. This game mattered a lot because of the rivalry and recruiting, but a loss here means nothing if you beat the other Coastal teams (you weren't going to the NC after OSU). Before grabbing the pitchforks, see how the next few weeks go.

That being said, I still don't think Randy is going to bring you a championship. It would be in UM's best interests to make some changes if nothing drastically improves in the next few weeks; but, being a nole, I hope neither of those things happen. Also, the "we need thugs to win" mentality is a joke - you can have good character/academics and still win. Look at the team that just beat you if you need an example.

Simply put, this team has not gotten better under Shannon. The team is no longer young and he has run out of excuses.

Let's go Canes!

I have backed shannon from day 1. This is the year i thought we should start judging him on wins losses and this was an ugly loss. Its time to bench mccarthy and benjamin they just arent getting it done. Im sorry but until u actually bench players who arent getting it done in games and start soemone else wheres the incentive to fight for a job? Benjamin isnt doing anything as a returner or a wr. his effort is piss poor and its rubbing onff on others. Unfortunatly telemaque, harris, spence and berry cant carry this team. They can play hard but if no one else does they are never gonna win. Im starting to doubt shannon as a coach. The stuff does count but in football its about wins and losses. If its not then the people like shala should be fired too. The reason this s one of the most embarrasing losses in the last 20 yrs isnt because they lost its the lack of effort i saw. Theres no excuse for lack of effort. As for quiting late i dont think they ever started to try so u cant quit if u neve try in the first place.

Donna is a cancer to what is this universitity's chief money maker...at least tad foote could partially see that. The U we all loved and knew died with the Orange Bowl...only another Schnellenberger can save this program. I refuse to pay my hard earned money to go watch this team again until randy is gone...no heart weak effort...i will watch from afar been a lifelong fan but money wise i cant support this administration

The extenstion mean nothing. Coaches get fired after signing extensions all the time. Besides his buyout is puny which is why it took 9 months to get done. The troll needs to be stuffed under a bridge. She has killed this program.

It's all about the WHO?! #FSU4LIFE

Manny's thoughts are on target. I supported Shannon's hire and we all respect what he's done with academics and off the field problems. However, he does break some of the cardinal rules of coaching.
You never blame players or humiliate them and Travis Benjamin's drop in productivity can be traced right back to Shannon blaming him for Jacory's interceptions. Shannon also shows serious favoritism. Did anybody pick up on Shannon saying Hankerson was "his favorite" after the Clemson game? I bet other players did.

When Shannon is fired, and he will be, the stories will pour out about how he was a father figure to so many troubled players and how he cleaned up the program. He was and he did. But the bottom line is that Shannon's background has left him with a "me against the world" mentality that is reflected in this team. The old UM teams had a similar outlook, but their response was "screw the world, we're the Canes". This team resembles a dog that has been kicked one too many times and although they might still show their teeth, they are all bark and no bite.
This team plays not to make mistakes instead of to win. They have no joy and no passion for the game.

The sad part is that Shannon has become such an enigma that he will have a tough time being hired by any other program, even as a coordinator. I hope he has a back-up plan and has his "upper extremity" on straight because he is in for a long next few months.

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