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Making sense of Gruden, UM coaching search

This weekend was only the first couple days in what will probably be a stretch of a long days and nights for reporters covering the Miami Hurricanes. So, please bear with us.

With all of the reporting and rumors to chase, I didn't get a chance to come back and share some thoughts on what I've been hearing and thinking in the aftermath of the firing of Randy Shannon and the coaching search. Here are a few things on my mind:

Gruden > From the get-go, all of this Jon Gruden talk (heard it last week) seemed like a stretch to me. Why would a coach who has won a Super Bowl, has a Monday Night Football gig and potentially a lot of big-time offers to get back into coaching at the NFL level take a college job when he hasn't coached at that level since 1991? But the reporting -- and tweeting -- we've done since yesterday on what we were hearing is legit.

There were credible sources telling us (not only me) that Gruden and UM have had mutual interest for awhile and that money and a framework of a deal has already been discussed. A few other sources were saying it was done and a press conference was already in the works for Monday. Obviously, the latter didn't happen. No credible sources or officials at UM confirmed it. In fact, other sources -- as the night went on -- began spinning the story in the other direction. So, we didn't write a story saying that. But I strongly believe from what I heard, Gruden and Miami have been talking for awhile (before Shannon was fired) and numbers of a potential deal have been exchanged.

UM was -- and probably still is -- holding out hope they can land their dream candidate. If they do, it's because they go all-in and meet all of Gruden's demands (expensive staff, etc) as former Cane Dan Morgan told me Sunday morning. As for his "denial" on ESPN? There have been a lot of coaches who have left for jobs making similar denials and telling their current bosses what they want to hear as they negotiate. 

For Gruden, Miami is attractive on several fronts. He can pull a Pete Carroll and go back to coaching at a level where the head coaches are the real superstars. And, he would be given full control of football operations -- bring in people like his brother if he wants and friends. The question is will Miami really pony up all that cash for the big prize? If UM is smart, it will. The Canes have already done the research of the economic impact Gruden would have in terms of season ticket sales. Plus, there is the money donors and others have promised should UM snag a huge fish like Gruden. If UM wants to be relevant right away and "hire the best coach to take them to the pinnacle of college football" as Kirby Hocutt said, Gruden is that guy. 

The most likely scenario -- in the end -- is UM ends up landing a lesser high-profile coach than Gruden, who can pretty much choose wherever he wants to go. But I'd still hold out hope over the next 48 hours. If it doesn't happen by then, UM will probably move on. As I said earlier, I think the talks with Gruden have been going on for weeks. The money and particulars is what has been discussed over the last 24 hours (since Shannon was fired).

Dan Mullen > So who else is UM really looking at? Here is who I believe based on what credible sources have told me and other reporters here at The Herald who have covered UM in the past: Montreal Alouette's coach Marc Trestman (former UM offensive coordinator); Georgia's Mark Richt; former USF coach Jim Leavitt; Texas Tech's Tommy Tuberville (he was the hot name last year for UM); Mississippi State coach Dan Mullen; and UConn's Randy Edsall

Yes, Richt said Sunday he has no interest in leaving Georgia. But he just had a 6-6 season. He played at UM and may be able to be sold on the come home and be a hero scenario. And if UM is really going to pony up big cash -- we heard upwards of $3 million per for a coach it really wants -- then why wouldn't he at least listen?

To me, the most intriguing potential candidates are Mullen and Edsall.

Mullen is making $1.2 million at Mississippi State through 2013. He's 38 years old, hungry and has quickly turned Mississippi State into a respectable program in a tough SEC West.

Edsall, 52, has been at UConn since 1999 and has made a basketball school excited about its football program. He's only 69-69, but the Huskies have been really competitive without much of a recruiting base. They shared the Big East title in 2007. Edsall makes $1.3 million a year.  

> I know some people are wondering about TCU's Gary Patterson, Boise State's Chris Petersen as well as former Texas Tech coach Mike Leach.

I just think those are long shots at this point -- Petersen and Patterson especially since they're teams have obviously done so well and are ranked high in the BCS. But I wouldn't be surprised to see UM go after the them if given a warm reception. I've heard Leach's name from a few sources. But my gut tells me his ugly departure from Texas Tech has him a little tainted and UM probably wouldn't go after him unless they completely strike out with others.

> As for Shannon, I truly believe the decision to fire him was probably made after UM's losses to Florida State and Virginia. The Hurricanes became irrelevant after the Cavaliers loss and from all indications, that's when Hocutt began to start looking into replacements. 

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No thanks to

1.Mark Richt
2.Greg Schiano
3.Tommy Tuberville
4.Butch Davis
5.Mario Cristobal

This team needs a change of culture. Some new blood..

GRUDEN OR BUST KIRBY!!!A NO NAME IS NOT THE ANSWER..TELL US ABOUT THE CHAMPIONSHIPS YOU WON AND K STATE...

WHY IS MIAMI NOT LOOKING AT MIAMI NATIVE CHARLIE STRONG? EVERY CANDIATE MENTIONED DOES NOT HAVE HIS CREDENTIALS... IF MIAMI IS LOOKING AT A QUALIFIED CANDIATE HE HAS TO BE AT THE TOP. LOOK AT FLORIDA'S DEFENSE AND RECRUITING WITHOUT HIM. LOOK AT LOUISVILLE 4-8 LAST YEAR BOWL GAME THIS YEAR. MIAMI GO AFTER CHARLIE STRONG AND SAVE YOUR RECRUITING CLASS... STRONG HAS STRONG CONNECTIONS IN THE STATE....

I don't think it's Gruden or bust. I don't think the Gruden thing is true, it's just another way of saying we've got $3M to spend.

WHERE WAS THAT 3MILL WHEN WE NEEDED BETTER AST COACHES?

We need an offensive-minded Head Coach combined with an excellent Defensive Coordinator. Period!

I don't care who we bring in, as long as those two requirements are met!!!

Anything less than an ACC Championship in 2011 will be another lost season.

This is the criteria to which the next HC must be informed of and judged by!!!

Shannon is a quality man and coach...a fifth year should have been given to him!
Tony Dungey would be an ideal selection...a quality man and proven winner as a head coach. If he could be persuaded to join the "U" it would be an absolute stroke of genius. Donna should make the call and arrange to meet him to discuss the job...the AD can accompany her.

I thought about this for a while and have to disagree with the majority. I don't think Gruden is the answer. He has not coached collegiate ball since 91 and really his record is average at best except for the Super Bowl win with a team he inherited fron Dungy. Yep, he has some star power but how is he going to relate to the young men in the program. Will he remember these kids are not professionals and need to go to class? Will he be gone in two years to the pros? I prefer someone who is an active HC and dedicated to the college game. I like Mullen or Tuberville

Screw your father figure. Get a coach. You need a daddy, go to Florida. Why are we not just getting guys that get it!!!!!!!!!!!!??

Where was the 3 million when we needed a real head coach? Oops we found it.

First of all JSmooth... Randy Shannon at least left the program with great talent for the next coach to get the most out of. Coker left us bare. Fans like you are the reason why we need to hire a high profile coach to keep the recruits interested. I bet plenty of Michigan fans want RichRod GONE, but they still fill The House. I wish we could trade our fan base for a real fans base, plus the 23k that showed up last Saturday, but minus the ones that walked out before the game ended...

Yeah I got to agree with csteelejr on this one J smooth. Shannon can identify talent at every position except QB. His only problem is when he gets it he is just like Coker, he doesn't know what to do with it to make it better year in and year out. Also he played favorites too much.

Agree with Orlando Cane; Grudens NFL record was not stellar. He stepped in at Tampa and won a Super Bowl with a team the Tony Dungy built and went down hill from there. Sounds kind of like Larry Coker to me. Butch Davis would be my choice if you could pry him away from UNC. Either Mullin or Edsall would be a good alternate.

Agree with Orlando Cane; Grudens NFL record was not stellar. He stepped in at Tampa and won a Super Bowl with a team the Tony Dungy built and went down hill from there. Sounds kind of like Larry Coker to me. Butch Davis would be my choice if you could pry him away from UNC. Either Mullin or Edsall would be a good alternate.

Posted by: IBGO | November 29, 2010 at 10:54 PM

Jon Gruden sounds like Larry Coker to you? Are you freaking kidding me????? Jon Gruden, a Super Bowl winning coach, (and architect of the Oakland team that he beat in that Super Bowl, mind you, you idiot) sounds like f-ing Larry Coker to you???

Wow, seriously, there are not enough bullets in the world for you.

I think they should talk to Tony Dungy. He did say he wanted to work with young men. I believe he has some role with UGA.... He could be the best out there...

I never thought that Randy was the right guy right from the beginning, but I was honestly hoping he would prove me wrong. After all, he is a Cane through and through and I respect him for that.

Unfortunately, Randy proved me right and the proof is on the field. Let's not be totally blind and recognize the positive things he did, but those things were not on the field.

Let's also be realistic. Shannon was a fall back choice, much like Butch was back in the day. The coaches they really wanted didn't want to come here. Let's hope that doesn't happen again this time. Gruden would definitely be the kind of coach who could pick up the pieces and potentially move forward immediately. It is anticipated that recruits would relish playing for Coach Gruden so recruiting should take off.

However, reality dictates that if Gruden does not commit right away, then the chances of him coming become slimmer with each passing day. Let's hope the A.D. can get it right this time and identify the right candidate, which didn't happen when Shannon was initially hired and didn't happen again when the current A.D. extended Shannon.

Regardless what happens, I wish Randy the best. Despite his inadequacies as the head coach, there is no question that he sincerely meant well and he will always be a Cane. It's just that the head coching position was out of his league.

Great discussion on coaching options. One alum's opinion:

Gruden - Why not hit the home run for a few years?The guy has intensity, something this team lacks all too often.

Edsall - A strong coach whose teams play hard. Has South Florida connections. A so-so record.

Leavitt - Way too much baggage and negative rep.

Mullen - Young, determined, impressive year at SEC outpost MSU. Strong Florida connections. Had former Miami mayor's son on staff. I like it!

Petrino - Dream on. Does Ryan Mallett have a younger brother QB clone?

Cristobal - If interested, worth a strong look. His ream plays hard and has delivered this year. A Cane at heart, no?

Strong - Louisville improved each week. Has intensity and strong South Florida roots. An up and comer.

Harbaugh - We should be so lucky. Next stop, NFL like his brother.

Davis - Got the juice and could be good. Time to jump the UNC ship and return to the old days?

Hoke - Worth a look. Has done well at an in between school. Must like warm weather, no?

Venables - Good rep as DC. What about the O?Defense got burned by over 40 by a good OSU team. Hey,who is THEIR OC?

Stoops, Mark - Anything to insult FSU. Next in line as HC in the Stoops clan. Former Miami assistant.

Richt - no way, unexciting.

Trestman - From the CFL?!! Got the Canes roots though.

Unknown Assistant - could surprise, the next Jimmy, Butch or Dennis..

Hope we get a good one who will have this team playing at a high level of intensity week after week!

Go Canes!

Uncle Luke (Luther Campbell) will be the next coach...Halftime brought to you by The Lexx formerly known as Club Rollex. The helmets will now have Sebastian in a pink pimp suit with 2 hoes sittin at each side of him, arms wrapped around his legs. Yeah, I'm bored.

The best choice for Miami Head Coach would be Don Soldinger. He has the respect of the players and the experience of being a head coach and also as a long term Hurricane coach with several championships.

Soldinger is tough, knows the territory and has turned out a lot of talent to the NFL.
The release of Soldinger by Larry Coker might have been Coker's dumbest mistake. The rehiring of Soldinger might be the best think that could happen at the U.

Hiring a rock star like Gruden has a lot of marquee ability but in terms of what it is going to cost and what it will yield maybe a big gamble.

I say take a hard look a Soldinger, Kurt Schottenheimer (former um player) and 49er asst,as well as Rob Chudzinski.

Any head coach coming to the University of Miami who thinks he will have full control of the football program is delusional.

What about Jim Harbaugh from Stanford!? That guy turned that program around and it is relevant.

I like Patterson from Boise after that.

Top Choices:
Gruden
Hargaugh
Patterson

The Canes wacked the wrong guy. Correction: Shannon probably wasn't up to the job BUT...if what I've heard is true and Whipple and Lovett were forced on him by Hocutt, then the AD needs to go too. Firing Shannon before the bowl game is utterly classless. Dr. Shalala never should have permitted it. With this guy running the Canes program I'm not optimistic about the future. If he pulls the same stunt on the next coach, we'll probably have the same results.

How is it possible that Sam Shields didn't know how to study film? That's on Lovett.

How is it possible that Whipple has Jacory Harris throw a pass he doesn't have the arm for when we're already in field goad range at the end of the fourth quarter and we lose the game because of it?

I don't want to give the impression that I'm whiteknighting Randy Shannon because I have reservations about him too but there's no question in my mind his coordinators completely failed him.


The best choice for Miami Head Coach would be Don Soldinger.

Posted by: Harmon Brody | November 30, 2010 at 03:08 AM


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Unbelievable.

NATIONAL CHAMPS 2011? NO!!! 2012? NO!!! BUT RETURNING TO A LEVEL OF RESPECTABILITY? ABSO..FING...LUTELY!!! PEOPLE, AS FAR AS GRUDEN COMING FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS AND THEN BOLTING FOR THE NFL, SO WHAT. I'D RATHER HAVE 3 YEARS OF GRUDEN THAN 3 MORE DAYS OF RANDY, OR MOST OF THE POTENTIAL CANDIDATES LISTED BY MANNY!

IF GRUDEN CAN'T BE LANDED, THEN PLEASE DON'T LOSE SIGHT OF WHAT AN OFFENSIVE MIND LIKE MARK RICHT CAN DO!! HE'S NOT A RETREAD. I LIVE HERE IN GEORGIA, AND BELIEVE ME THEY WOULD HATE TO SEE HIM GO! I WOULD LOVE TO SEE HIM, TOMMY TUBBERVILLE OR GARY TRESTMAN BE THE COACH TO MAKE MIAMI RELEVANT AGAIN!!! THEY ALL HAVE TIES TO THE LOCAL AREA, AND CAN BRING BACK THE "SWAGGER" TO THE U THAT EVERYONE MISSES, AS THEY WERE ALL A PART OF IT!!! THIS TEAM HAS TALENT BY THE BUTT LOAD, BUT NOONE T0 DEVELOP IT. SHANNON AND WHIPPLE COULDN'T AGREE ON WHAT KIND OF OFFENSE THEY HAD, AND THE RESULT WAS JUST WHAT WE SAW! CONFUSION, INEPT PLAY, POOR CLOCK MANAGEMENT, BAD CLOCK MANAGEMENT AND TERRIBLE DECISION MAKING. ALL THREE OF THESE CANDIDATES ARE OFFENSIVE GENIUSES, WHO DON'T HAVE THOSE ISSUES WITH THEIR TEAMS.

1.BUTCH DAVIS: BIGGER PIPE DREAM THAN GRUDEN
2.PATTERSON AND PETERSON: CHEWED UP AND SPIT OUT HERE.
3.MULLIN: DOWN YEAR FOR SEC, AUBURN NOT WITHSTANDING.
4.LEAVITT AND LEACH? REALLY? BETTER GET A PSYCHIATRIST TO MONITOR THE COACHING STAFF AND A FEW EXTRA SETS OF HANDCUFFS, AS WELL.
5.EDSALL: NOT SOLD ON HIM. BIG EAST IS TERRIBLE AND IF MIAMI WAS STILL THERE WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION.

imyahuckleberr,

i agree with you regarding what the nfl wants, and Alabama did run to a championship last year. however, alabama will never have the speed that miami has, no body in the country should with the talent in south florida. so that is why i would like to see a change. get miller in space against 1 man, and you will come over to the dark side with me, ha!

either way it should be up tempo just like oregon. there is something to be said about the way they run up and down the field with less talent than miami. it gets the kids excited and focused because they are constantly moving to the line getting set and going. when you give a kid less time to think they generally go off of instinct and if they are practicing good technique then their instincts will be right.

and there goes all those stupid penalties that we racked up this year.

good points though, imyahuckleberr

tombstone is one of my favorites

This is The U and all three would be rubbing out to get the chance to come to the best college ball program in the nation.


News flash U typical Cane Tard. Duh U ain't even in the Top-20 College football programs.

Posted by: Flip Ur Calendar To The 21st. Century U Cluck | November 29, 2010 at 05:26 PM

How lame. You fake my ID, post false suggestions, then turn around and rip the fake suggestions. This is my first post in this thread, the previous Feral Cat posts were you in your deperate attempt at ignoring the Gators' 7-5 record and FSU beatdown. From #3 in the nation to unranked is MUCH worse than #13 to unranked.

You really don't care about how your actions destroyed Gator Clause, do you? Thank God the Herald will soon ban you for stealing IDs, threatening to lynch our former head coach and QB, and basically taking trolling to it's lowest and sickest form. Posting on here as Bryan Pata is truly a sick act from a sick mind, Sean Wilson, and you deserve any pain that is sent your way for it.

Still banned from the Sun Sentinel, you are truly a disgusting sick troll with a mother that never taught you manners. You DO have a mother, right?

If that last post is really Jared Peyton, he expressed the attitude needed to bring the Canes back to greatness. If it wasn't, he still expressed the attitude needed to bring the Canes back to greatness.

chudzinsky?!?!

the only question I have is that Kirby said money would not be an issue?! Well, you could have helped Shannon out by having money to go after top assistant coaches like Stoops ( FSU)and improving the athletic facilities...He says winning is everything and hopefully a kids education and arrest record will not be sacrificed...I AM A CANES FAN and I PRAY I am wrong but Miami may have made a mistake by not giving Shannon one more year..Shannon cared about the players and did not kiss the boobsters rear ends...It is business and UM wants to win and I guess thats all that counts! Graduating players or keeping them out of jail does not matter, just win and bring back THUG U and Championships!..Good Luck Miami and Randy Shannon I personally wish you the best Hopefully someone will give you another shot!

I said earlier this year Shannon was a great mentor for the kids, a very good recruiter, and great as a DC. But he didn't have it in him to be the man with all the responsibilities. He was better suited for being behind the curtain, not in front of it. He'll come back with another school as a DC and perform like he did here previously.

With that said, Gruden isn't the man Miami needs. He brings the flash, the swagger, and about a two or three year life span at best. Miami needs someone who wants to be a college coach, not use it as a stepping stone to/back to the NFL.

I know Schiano didn't want to return last time, after being at Rutgers, but he'd be an interesting name to approach again. Tuberville would be fantastic, but I don't see him leavin Tech after a single season. Leavitt, Edsall, and Mullen are all solid choices. But what about the man across town? Mario Cristobal. Who would have thought FIU would possibly be goin to a bowl game after starting the season 0-4. He probably needs a lil more seasoning, but he's winning. If Gruden does take the Cane job and splits in 2-3 years, Cristobal is definitely a guy I'd be watching. He currently has more commits, while not top of line, from recruits, than Shannon had.

I would like to see Chris Petersen from Boise St as our next head coach. This guy took a small school playing on a blue field and turned them into a national powerhouse.

He also knows the West Coast/Midwest recruiting scene quite well. We haven't done well there since Butch Davis left.

Kids from Florida will always attend the U. We may not get them all; but we'll continue to get our share.

Petersen brings allot to the table......

I definitely think that it was classless to fire Randy the way that they did; in the world of business process is everything! For a man who has literally been the face of The U for more than ten years and had single handedly diverted negative attention away from this program, he deserves at least the opportunity to coach HIS bowl game; Coker was at least given that opportunity!
Cane Fans, consider what the program has to fix going forward:
1. Relationships:
During his tenure, Randy had formed deep relationships with top HS programs in his own back yard, as well as across the nation; also rekindled old relationships with former alumni/coaches which has brought money into this program which was desperately needed due to the athletic dept not wanting to take the initiative to do so (at the time).
2. Facilities:
While we certainly have BCS caliber talent right in our own backyard, we do NOT have BCS caliber facilities; UM's facilities do not even come close to the OU's, Aabama's, Clemson's, Tennessee's, and Texas's of the world.. and that list goes on and on...
We lost a LOT of swagger when we let the City of Miami dictate where the Canes should play football on saturdays; believe it or not but the OB was sacred ground and EVERY Dade and Broward kid who played HS football would always flirt with the dream of one day playing in the OB amongst PASSIONATE??? fans. Shame on Hocutt and Shalala for letting that happen (The result of having passionless president and AD).
3. Legacy:
This is something that UM athletics knows nothing about, while the losses DID hurt short term, I think that long term, having a coach who LOVES the program and the kids that he recruits eventually manifests itself on the football field (Jim Tressel, Joe Pa, Bobby Bowden, etc...) Kids aspire to go to these schools and play at their peak when they are playing for great tradition and legacy.
4. Player Development/Talent Level:
I question wether or not these kids want it bad enough anymore (the IT is not only a nat'l championship, but a chance to develop for 3-4 years into great football players and change the legacy of their families and future generations by being a 1-3rd round draft pick). You have to understand that you can only coach a kid for specific periods of time per NCAA rules, it is up to the INDIVIDUAL player to want more out of their college experience (ex: Leonard Hankerson & UM players of old like Edgerrin James). TB # 3 has the athletic talent to be the BEST UM reciever ever if he puts the work ethic in (ex: over 600 recieving yards and a better YPC avg than Hankerson, and he's a year younger!!! there is no telling what that kid can do with his speed, if he adds work ethic and mental preparedness).
5. Randy's Downfall:
Randy was too leniant on players who did not do what they wer told on the football field (ex: J12 never being benched, TB3 always in the game, AJ4 never really producing, stupid penaltines, a lack of ball pursuit on defense, therefore resulting in gashing RB runs by RB's who are not as talented as the group of RB's that WE have; coordinators calling bonehead plays that didnt fit our players). This made RS seem like more of a substitute teacher that the commanding officer of this team.
6. Somethng to build on:
While Randy had NO talent to work with his first year, whoever is the new coach will have a cupboard full of goodies! and will win the ACC and get invited to a bowl game with RANDY's talent... but get fired or leave for the NFL when that talent base is depleted (I hope I am wrong about the latter)!
Due to these issues presented here at the U Gruden is the best candidate because he brings about NFL bravado that kids look up to and our president and AD will respect.
GO CANES!!!

This current administration at the needs to be fired. They have showed no balls to let some NCAA 2010 coaches, tell them how to run their program and now the program will be rebuilding for decades not for a year or 2. There is no way Gruden is coming to coach college ball, he didn't even want to draft a young qb to his teams. We are going to end up with a fill in the blank assistant from whatever program u came from as a head coach. I am embarrassed by the fact that RS was let go when he was winning and improving every season of course with the exception of this season. Last season should have been the season to keep him or fire him if u felt he wasn't getting it done when he went 9-4 last season u should have let him go then. And then all of this talk about our committment to excellance and tradition and blah blah blah when we don't have modern on campus facilities or a stadium.


I definitely think that it was classless to fire Randy the way that they did;


Posted by: two2rs2 | November 30, 2010 at 04:22 PM

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And who cares what you think?

Yeah who gives a sh!it what U think. This is the best time to get rid of him. Holcutt really wants to win, Haith if I were U I would start winning or get your bags packed. U have been here for a while and U still haven't done anything but Lose.

for starters I don't see what the big deal and hoopl;a about Gruden is. This is a coach who won a Superbowl with a team put together by Dungy. This is a coach who is supposed to be a QB finder - but Tampa didn't find a QB until they fired him. Can someone please explain why Gruden is held in such high regards?

Gruden is shaking up the blogs of the SEC, Big TEn, Twelve and Pac 10 just thinking about this....they are crapping their collective pants. No more UM wannabe qb recruits from the hood...here come the days that brought Jim Kelley, Berney Kosar, Testeverde, Toretta, Walsh and Dorsey....Gruden will have a pro staff with experience working with him, and a new facilities that will further the recruits begging to get here. The delay is getting his pictures with the U logo on the billboards on 95 done by this weekend...BCS bowl next year, attendence Triples at Sun Life! Go Canes!
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for starters I don't see what the big deal and hoopl;a about Gruden is. This is a coach who won a Superbowl with a team put together by Dungy. This is a coach who is supposed to be a QB finder - but Tampa didn't find a QB until they fired him. Can someone please explain why Gruden is held in such high regards?

Posted by: confused cane Fan | December 01, 2010 at 01:03 AM


For starters, you change your name from confused Cane fan to stupid cane fan. Makes much more sense.

And if you need someone to explain to you why a proven NFL head coach, who WON A SUPER BOWL, built the team that he defeated in that Super Bowl, and will be a sought out head coach in the NFL again is "held in such high regards", then you seriously need to stop watching football and find another hobby. May I suggest taking a nap on the nearest train tracks?

*you should change

bush davis will be good 2 with him gone we beat NORTH CAROLINA each we can stop GEORIA TECH the only team lift is V.TECH stop them we win one side of the divison. the man can coach we all no it

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