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Would Canes-Gruden really be a great fit?

University of Miami athletic director Kirby Hocutt is expected to deliver his pitch to Jon Gruden in person Wednesday and try to snag the biggest fish in all of football. But if Hocutt can't bait him (I'd say there probably is a better chance Hocutt won't) it doesn't mean the Hurricanes will necessarily be losing out.

Jon Gruden As sexy a hire as Gruden might be for the people powering this push for relevance at UM, the truth is there are probably better fits the Hurricanes can find elsewhere. History tells us the most successful coaches at UM -- Howard Schnellenberger, Jimmy Johnson, Dennis Erickson, Butch Davis and, yes, Larry Coker -- weren't exactly big names or established championship coaches before they became the man at Miami. They made their mark at UM as hungry, up-and-comers looking to establish their own fame and success.

Gruden has already tasted his. He won a Super Bowl when he was 38 years old, the youngest ever at the time. Now, he entertains us on Monday Night Football (kind of reminds me a little of John Madden). The issue here isn't if Gruden would be a good coach at Miami. The man knows football. He was 100-85 and made the playoffs five times in 11 NFL seasons. There's no doubt he would give Hocutt and UM's administration exactly what they're looking for: an instant shot of relevance and excitement for a rabid fan base starving for some.

The issue for UM, in the end, is if Gruden will really be the perfect fit -- especially for around $3.5 million (astronomical rates by Canes standards). Is the grind that is recruiting something Gruden is going to want to do? How about the every day stuff like chasing 18 and 19-year old players to class, making sure they stay away from South Beach, and helping who ever needs counseling get through tough struggles off the field? You know, The U family stuff. UM President Donna Shalala may love winning more than anybody at UM, as Hocutt said Sunday. But she doesn't seem to me like a person who will all of a sudden let the principles she asked Randy Shannon to uphold slip, so UM can win more games and play for championships. 

I'm not saying Gruden couldn't be Superman here and do it all well. But the fact is he hasn't coached in college since 1991. All he's known for the last 19 years is the NFL. His reputation (one I gathered from talking to a sports writer who covered him in Tampa) is that of a football coach who is a competitive junkie, someone who loves the X's and O's with a passion and drives his assistants hard to achieve perfection. He's a guy who wakes up at 3 a.m. and is in the building to work by 4:30 or 5. Nothing wrong if you want to win. But college football is clearly a completely different animal than the NFL.

And that formula of winning at the NFL level doesn't always translate to college. Bill Walsh went from winning three Super Bowls with the 49ers in the 1980s to spending three years at Stanford in 1992. He won 10 games in his first season including the Pac 10 title, then went 7-14-1 over his next two. Bill Callahan led the Raiders to the Super Bowl in 2002 (against Gruden) and in 2004 found himself at Nebraska. He went 27-22 and in four seasons and played for the Big 12 title only once. He's now back in the NFL as an assistant. Al Groh (Virginia) and Chan Gailey (Georgia Tech) are others who won some, but didn't have major success in the ACC. The point is for every Pete Carroll at USC or Nick Saban at LSU and Alabama, there are examples of an NFL coach going back to college and not working.

And Gruden will definitely have to recruit. This isn't a team built to win a championship right. The quarterback play remains questionable. Receivers, linebackers and defensive tackles aren't stacked either. This isn't a matter of a team ready to win a championship and just needing the right leader.

In the end, who really knows what Gruden's intentions are and why he's even meeting with Hocutt at this point. Maybe, he'd like to coach his son Deuce (currently a junior in high school) in college? Maybe coaching at Carrollwood High got him thinking he'd like to go back to coaching young players, teach them the fundamentals of the game. Maybe, he would like to coach with his brother, Jay, potentially his offensive coordinator, and be the next biggest thing on South Beach behind LeBron, Wade and Bosh. Maybe, he'd love to be the next Pete Carroll and win three national championships. Or, maybe, this is all about Gruden trying to get his name out with the NFL season coming to a close soon and big jobs likely to become available. Whatever his intentions, that's Gruden's business. Miami seems to be willing to go to extremes to get him.

All I know is on Sunday, as we listened to Hocutt, I heard three different messages about his search for a choice. The first: "At the U, we expect to compete for championships and nothing less." The next: "Miami must be relevant in college football." And the last: "You can be relevant nationally and not win your conference. But at the end of the day, you must be relevant nationally here at the University of Miami."

Gruden would definitely make the Canes relevant. But I'm not sold on the rest of it. I'd rather have a guy who has done it all already somewhere else and is ready to take his success -- and UM's -- to the next level.

> I just want to give credit to our own Barry Jackson and Susan Miller Degnan for some excellent reporting tonight on this Gruden story. It's easy for anybody -- me included -- to get on Twitter and post stuff we hear from sources. But I can tell you putting it in print is a different deal. Barry and Susan worked hard last night to get a lot of good detail in today's story from sources as close to the situation as possible.

> As the story mentioned, if Gruden doesn't pan out the other potential targets include Mississippi State's Dan Mullen, Stanford's Jim Harbaugh, Connecticut's Randy Edsall, Utah's Kyle Whittingham and Arizona's Mike Stoops, plus at least two others names, sources said.

Of that group, Mullen, Harbaugh and Edsall intrigue me the most. The issue of course is that Mississippi State is trying to act fast as possible to resign Mullen to a bigger contract. Harbaugh, a Michigan grad, has done a great job at USC and would also be a huge get for Miami. But I suspect he'd be Wolverines all the way if he left Stanford. Edsall is probably the most reachable. He just isn't the name that sparkles and gets fans excited. So, essentially, I think this list will expand to include some more top-notch names.

As I was told last night by a source, UM is ultimately looking for a charismatic leader who is an established winning he coach and doesn't come with any baggage. Just thinking out loud, but I think Wisconsin's Bret Bielema (45-16 at Wisconsin) and Baylor's Art Briles are guys who have won in tough conferences that probably deserve consideration. Outside of that, a good NFL coordinator wouldn't be bad -- especially with the labor issues in store for next year.

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Why aren't people talking about Gruden's record. A Super Bowl, then what? His record is worst than Larry Coker. Why will he be any different here than he was at Tampa? He talks an excellent game, then what?

Posted by: finkcain | December 01, 2010 at 08:26 AM
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You idiot,. U cant compare an NFL record to a college record. 1. Gruden is a motivator and has attitude. Shannon was introverted--cant coach at the U and not talk and have no emotion and shut out boosters.
2. A SB winner walks into your living room, a young guy with that smile and says I want your son, HE IS GOING TO THE U.
3. EASY SELL---------""I know what it takes for your son to be an nfl player"" I will get him drafted"" ,

Meyer cant say that, All his players R busts(Especailly alex smith), and fisher still lost 3 games this yr people and poss 4 this week. WE HAVE TALENT. FOrget rivals , look at espn.com college football, then recruiting. Go back to 2007. SEE THE TALENT WE HAVE. 3 of the 7 players r espn 150 this yr. GRUDEN CAN WIN NEXT YR.


Mike Shula? Gruden? The guy from Utah? Are u serious? I think we need Denny Green, or some other Walsh protege. The guy from UConn seems to know what's he's doing.

U think Art Kehoe would be interested in coaching OL? Wasn't Kehoe Chud's position coach?

Posted by: Dom

You are sooo right. Urban didn't win any Super Bowl only those SEC and 2 NCs. And don't get me started on Jimbo. He took his team to the dumb ACC Championship game in his first year. Gruden would win the ACC Championship after HIS FIRST game.


OK, Gruden is a NFL man first. If he takes the job, which I feel he want, he will vault to the NFL at the first whiff of success from here at the U. Yes, he will sell tickets and change things here, but for how long. Pete Carroll built a great program at USC and put it back on top of the football world for 5 yrs. He was waiting for the NFL team to give him complete power and it happened. So what did he do, he left after the program was placed on probation.
Jim Harbaugh would be a great hire here, but if Michigan fires Rodriguez, he will be there first choice and he may go. He is at the ivey league school of the west and is winning with less talent than us. He can make a player into a player by coaching them, not cuddling the player like RS was.
Leach, for never playing the sport, has a great offensive mind. He has baggage though. Im not sure on him.
Leavitt, would be a better defensive coordinator in my opinion. Imagine Chucky's killer offense and the strangle the offense defense a deadly combination.
Mullens, not enough experience. Yes, his team has one more win than us, but he didn't beat a single top SEC school.
Stoops and UConns coach not a chance.

Being a black cat, I think Denny Green a perfect fit. I U want to crown him then go ahead and crown him.


OK, Gruden is a NFL man first. If he takes the job, which I feel he want, he will vault to the NFL at the first whiff of success from here at the U. Yes, he will sell tickets and change things here, but for how long. Pete Carroll built a great program at USC and put it back on top of the football world for 5 yrs. He was waiting for the NFL team to give him complete power and it happened. So what did he do, he left after the program was placed on probation.
Jim Harbaugh would be a great hire here, but if Michigan fires Rodriguez, he will be there first choice and he may go. He is at the ivey league school of the west and is winning with less talent than us. He can make a player into a player by coaching them, not cuddling the player like RS was.
Leach, for never playing the sport, has a great offensive mind. He has baggage though. Im not sure on him.
Leavitt, would be a better defensive coordinator in my opinion. Imagine Chucky's killer offense and the strangle the offense defense a deadly combination.
Mullens, not enough experience. Yes, his team has one more win than us, but he didn't beat a single top SEC school.
Stoops and UConns coach not a chance.

I really think Denny Green is the answer to our problems. Think about it. I can't believe U're considering the failed leach and Shula.

Hey R where's ur mom I'll f her. They gave Randy the job because no else wanted that garbage Coker left behind. Leach wanted to much money they didn't want to pay him. R don't test my man hood homie meet me at the Rat I'll show u a thing or to.

Posted by: the rula | December 01, 2010 at 02:03 PM


this guy is a punk. I'm the only true rula on here. Get the gerbel out of your three point

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Jon-Gruden-Miami-Hurricanes-head-coaching-job-120110?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

if that story is correct...all of south florida's so called journalist should be let go the same way shannon was...reporting what was heard instead of what was known...telling us Gruden was in at 3 or so million a year...and then slowly backtracking...I'm starting to understand why Shannon didn't allow anyone to talk to the media in south florida...

@kirbyholcutt Had a great convo with JG waiting for his agent/atty to review terms.

It's getting close!!!

Just the mere thought of Mullen bringing Urban Meyer's flag football offense down here makes me physically ill.

Midget running backs, QB's that are more fullback than QB, jump passes, the forward pass is more of a novelty versus a mainstay of the offense, gimmick play after gimmick play...hold on...I'm going to throw up.

Urban won games for one reason and one reason only...Tim Tebow.

If you watched Mississippi State play this year you saw a big, strong QB who is really a fullback who throws the ball about every 200 plays or so and when he does throw you immediately think of the Olympics and a shotputter. The word 'pathetic' would be a compliment to that offense.

Please Kirby...NO MULLEN!!!

As reported on @lebatardshow * RT @schadjoe Source close to Gruden says "zero" chance of Miami. UM source says talks "exploratory"

Yup he's coming!!!

THIS JUST IN:

sports papers are reporting that the gaytors still suck!

Mark May was sooooooo right. The only coach that wants duh U is Leach.

ByTimReynolds
ESPN executive expects Jon Gruden to stay at the network.

Hopefully the hype helped you sell 2 or 3 shirts that say Duh U invented swagga

Manny and the Big Dog (620AM Tampa) a Cane fan are the only two that have brought up the subject of cash. Are they going to be able to come up with the coin it will take to bring in Gruden ? Will empty seats and a plane pulling a Fire Shannon banner be enough to get it done ? Hope so.


Hey R, when that day comes I want you to say the same thing when you lose your job, or do you even have one?

Posted by: MICHAEL PALMER | December 01, 2010 at 01:18 PM


Good one, jerk off.


Hey R where's ur mom I'll f her. They gave Randy the job because no else wanted that garbage Coker left behind. Leach wanted to much money they didn't want to pay him. R don't test my man hood homie meet me at the Rat I'll show u a thing or to.

Posted by: the rula | December 01, 2010 at 02:03 PM

#1 How old are you, loser?

#2 You know nothing about Miami or about football.

#3 lol...you think you're a tough guy huh? P*ssy.

I'm not crazy about the type of offense Mullen coached at Florida. I don't watch much Miss St., but I'm guessing it's very similar.

Don't know much about Mullen really, but I like the idea of bringing in someone who can teach and would stay a while.

Chris Peterson and Mark Richt were my choices...I don't think Richt is on the list.

Dont you find it interesting that the first people to cry racism are ALWAYS the first to bring race into a topic?

It is confirmed that Gruden is not interested in coaching college. I said it before, he is a NFL coach and would vault at the first NFL job offered. Now, where do the U go from here is the question at hand?

This is reverse racism. Did Gruden not get an offer because he was white?

Complete BS. Please hire Norm Chow~~~~!!!

Norm Chow as a head coach? Hell no. Offensive coordinator yes. The U should go hard after Jim Harbaugh. That is my choice and Im sticking with it.

Harbaugh ain't coming here. Mullen will be in Lauderdale tomorrow.

Mullen had a scheduled recruiting trip in Lauderdale.

I'm sure Harbaugh wants Michigan job.

rula...

you're an agigator.

Why not JJ? Mullen! What has he done in the SEC? Yes, his record is better than ours but he hasn't beaten any top team in the SEC. That is as far as his team is going to go in the SEC.

OK so now we are down to Edsall, Whittinham, or Stoops. I can hear the season tix printing now!!!!

UM - University of Mediocrity

The UM job really isn't the big deal it once was, folks. I get the sense some folks think the 1980's and 90's are going to come back. They aren't.

Wow, I post once, and then the obsessed motherless troll who whines when his daddy comes home proceeds to use the same name another six or seven times.

Sean Wilson, you really need a life.

In fact, I guess it is time to ruin your free run on Gator Clause again. We made your Taliban supporters pay before, that should be enough to keep you busy once again.

Folks, if you are sick of this ID stealing troll, pay him and his buddies back on Gator Clause. Don't steal their IDs, we have more class than that, but comment on how their 7-5 team has fallen FAR MORE than we have, and that we are improving our coaching staff while they are losing good coaches while their sorry coaches are sticking around.

Sean Wilson, Shands called, they want their mop bucket back, you disgusting thief.

Oh, and if Gruden shows up here, I would LOVE to see you try threatening his life the way you did Shannon. He is a little meaner than Shannon, he will tear you apart.

In the meantime, on here, if someone posts something insulting to you, it is likely that Gator troll trying to start trouble.

He will steal the ID of a regular Canes fan, and insult another, hoping to get them both fighting amongst themselves. Don't fall for it, and remember that he will be on here 24/7 until the Herald finally bans his library IP addresses.

So, comment on the issues, try not to attack other Canes fans, and remember that Sean Wilson is a disgusting racist troll with mother issues.

As reported on @lebatardshow * RT @schadjoe Source close to Gruden says "zero" chance of Miami. UM source says talks "exploratory"

Yup he's coming!!!

Posted by: Feral Cat | December 01, 2010 at 03:17 PM

You gonna give a link to these false posts, you disgusting troll? No? Then shut up, fool.

Folks, the posts with twitter messages were not me, but that Sean Wilson guy trying to get revenge for being outed.

Strange thing is, he is attacking the wrong guy. I didn't out him, his mother did.

What about Mike Martz?

Here you go psycho:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5871783&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

UM would be smart if they went out and got Chris Petersen from Boise State. Petersen is a young, well-respected coach who has done a great job with Boise State. The problem is that he has a ceiling at Boise State as long as college football continues with the BCS program. They can go undefeated and will not even get a shot at the championship. UM would provide Petersen with the big stage he deserves. He would be a great choice.

Peterson would be a great fit. But will he be like his predecesor Dan Hawkins was at Colorado when he left Boise State? Jim Harbaugh is my guy.

Thanks for the false hope KIRBY HOLCUTT, you are over your head

If UM is seriously looking at (1) someone with head coaching experience and (2) a proven record of success, then they should be setting their sights on Boise State's Chris Petersen. Of all the names I have seen mentioned, he clearly fits the billing best. Yes, there ate some very good names on the list, particularly Harbaugh and Mullins. But Petetsen has proven to be successful at BSU and has played in BCS games and won. I just hope UM does not rule out a coach without at least talking to the guy first.

its kinda funny hearing all these haters saying theres ZERO chance gruden comes here... its so obvious to see who doesnt want to see The U return to greatness lol

its also obvious that there is at least some interest on grudens part. recruiting base, swagger, potential nfl work stoppage, new start in college game, talent loaded team full of seniors, full control, alumni support, still live in florida, big man on campus, etc.

all these, as well as many others, are all reasons he would be interested in coming here. he hasnt even flat out denied that he would take the job (except for ALLEGED sources talking out of their a** about gruden).

The U is a high profile ballsy school with ballsy players and ballsy fans.
The new coach needs to be able to handle this.
He needs a big ego and lots of self confidence.
Also I think that its very important to have a coach who will bring in his hand selected team of assistent coaches so there is cohesion.
The more I think about it the more I think Leach.

I know I may be late in all of this, but I don't think Gruden is the type of coach Miami needs nor is he a good enough coach. Like Larry Coker, Gruden won with Coach Tony Dungy's players in Tampa. Like Larry Coker (who won with Butch Davis' players), what has he (Jon Gruden) done since winning with Tony Dungy's players besides nothing?

It would be smarter to go after an established college football coach such as Gary Patterson whom I think would give us instant credibility, he's a proven winner and has maintained that success for several years.

You give him a team with the Miami players right now and we'll be at the top of college football (again) in no time.

Others that I would like to see are: Boise's Head Coach, Stanford's Jim Harbaugh and others that make more sense, but Gruden makes absolutely no sense to me.

Buy, hey what do I know.... :)

24 hours ago you have Gary Ferman of Canesports.com reporting that a deal was imminent with Gruden and only a last minute snag would stop him from being the new head coach at the "U".

Now you have ESPN reporting that today's meeting was all about the "U" making a pitch to Gruden who politely listened, but decided to leave his options open for an NFL job...and the "U" has moved on to the next candidate on their list.

There is only one certainty at this point...several reporters (if you dare call them that) are going to look incompetent and will not, nor should they be trusted in the future.

All the best to the Hurricanes in their search, but the UM job is not the plum coaching gig it once was. I think Gruden is merely being polite in listening, but has no genuine desire to be there.

Much more likely is to find a hot, young assistant on their way up who is ready for a bigger stage. Keep in mind that every "big" name was once obscure, too.

Please hire a lesbian with good table manners and excellent hygiene.

Canatic, I a agree with your blog 500% Gruden is a copy of Choker (Yes, I mean Choker). Patterson is not coming because he is already making 2.5 mil a year and plus they are on there way to the Big East. Peterson of Boise would be a good hire. The only problem I have is that he will fail like Dan Hawkins of Colorado. Hawkins was the coach who started Boise States run. I am sold on Jim Harbaugh that is if Michigan doesnt fire Rich.

Coach Gruden is not accepting the Hurricane coaching position.

The two best candidates left are Dan Mullen,, and Coach Leach..


The latter wants the head coaching job and would probably be at a relative bargin price. His offensive schemes are dynamic. He would create excitement on the 'U's' football field. Has v.good contacts in the most active of football states, Texas, California and Florida.

Coach Mullen: is young and aggressive. He's done a terrific job at Miss. State and I believe he would create a stable enviromnent to go along with a long time winning program. A no nonsense individual. He has strong contacts in the southeast.

Sean Wilson, you are absolutely clueless. There is nothing to ask and there is nothing to tell, unless you know something we don't. Leave the DADT with the politicians. This is about peoples livelihood and their jobs. Numb Nuts.

if we cant get gruden then butch should be next on the list. followed by harbaugh. followed by richt.

Adeastar, what in the hell do you mean. Look, a trustee stated that a coach with baggage is out of the running. Leach vs. Texas Tech, Espn, and Craig James is still lumming in the air. I wouldnt mind seeing Leach and his offensive prowise at Sun Life Stadium. Yes, Mullen is having a great year. Do you know that at Miss. State he has met there expectations. He cannot carry that team any higher. He didnt beat any of the top SEC schools. He hasnt accomplished nothing. So what one year. We didnt beat any top ACC schools either. Jim Harbaugh, Chris Peterson of Boise, or Leavitt as defensive coordinator will do.

Gruden is nothing but a cocktease.

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