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UM Canes coach Golden today: RB Duke Johnson practices, QB Morris' ankle better.

Hurricanes coach Al Golden spoke to us on the ACC Coaches' Teleconference Wednesday afternoon and offered up some positive news:

* Running back Duke Johnson, Golden said, "practiced today. The X-Rays were negative. Was he 100 percent? No. But he was certainly over 90, enough to practice.''

   Keep in mind that Johnson had a foot examined during the FSU game, and that Golden reminded reporters on Sunday that it was a separate injury from his turf toe. "I'm not sure if it's an ankle or a foot,'' Golden said Sunday. Today, Golden did not talk specifically about the turf toe, just that Duke seems to be much better regarding the most recent injury.

   Reporters have no access to practice through at least Friday (another day off on Friday), so we're not sure if Johnson wore a yellow jersey (limited) or was full-go.Today was UM's first day of practice since its loss to FSU.

* The update on Stephen Morris' sprained left ankle is also positive.

   Golden was asked if Morris is "still in a boot and still sore.'' His response: "No, he's doing better. Sunday, Monday and Tuesday helped him a lot. It's not like we're asking him to run the ball a lot or scramble today. It's mostly pocket stuff or handing the ball off or play-action. He did fine. I just think the combination of those three days and another day off Friday and a fairly light practice on Saturday should get us to where we want to be for game week.''

An interesting factoid in advance of the UM-Virginia Tech Thursday-night ESPN game Nov. 1:

The Hurricanes, according to ACC associate commissioner for football communications Mike Finn, have posted a 15-3 record -- .833 winning percentage -- in ESPN Thursday-night games, the best of any ACC school with five or more appearances.

SUSAN MILLER DEGNAN

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just win out and get to charlotte

How about the Canes win 6 games for starters. They need to be bowl eligible and go from there.

Up to now...everything is in the past so let it go...we can't change it!

Let's keep moving forward!

Bowl Elgibility is not an issue...UM will self-impose a ban this year, unless they get to a BCS Game (too much $$$'s to self-impose IMHO) via the ACC Title Game...

I just want us to get to the game (See what happens)...in order to do that, we have to beat VT next Thursday and beat Duke!

1 Game Seasson Frist...have to beat VT!

Win that we get 2 warm ups to get things fixed for Duke...Beat Duke!

Simple as that!

Dear Football gods: Please get UM healthy and let us beat VT. I have the proper sacrifices all lines up and ready to go.

Agree with "It's a cane thing", the hurricanes should self-impose a bowl-ban if they win 2 more games. The NCAA is about to implement harsh penalties for recent recruiting violations

We need to have linebackers cheat up to help defensive line, cause they cant stop the run. Duke believe it or not has a running game and a fair QB. We dont have a running game so quick pass sreen pass pulling guards, two tight ends beef up the run game., make the blocks of course.

Get to CHARLOTTE! Let's play the Criminoles again. With Morris healthy and Duke healthy, I say we have a good shot. DO NOT PLAY ROGERS OR TELEMAQUE. None of those guys have any awareness or "break" for the ball. Lay some wood!! Let's go. See U guys at VA Tech game.

CANE4LIFE

Good ole Herbert......Just another idiot that claims to know about football.........dont you have a buffet to go inhale????

Manny must of been partying all weekend long after his favorite team, the noles beat miami
Can we get another article about how great the noles are
Its not like you care about covering the canes
Stick with the marlins chump

Watch out for Duke they may just beat you. The fact thatthis statement is true shows how crappy your program is.
Now this is the year to beat VaTech, they are truly bad. Can you do it cane clowns? Somehow you will find a way to screw it up. It's ok, you need a bowl ban either way.

With the worst d I have ever seen we will win the division

IF Canes play like they did against FSU, they should beat VT.

IF we fase FSU in the ACC Championship, and FSU doesn't make all the mistakes (5 fumbles and 150+ yards of penalties), they CAN CRUSH the Canes.

But this team is young, which means they can bounce back, and learn quickly from mistakes. Which may put us back in contention against FSU...

But one game at a time....

VT has had our number for YEARS and i am sick of it. I want us to beat their #SS!

FYI: Heisman watch:

1) Teddy Bridewater, ex RS recruit

2) Gino Smith, WVU

3) Johnny Manziel, Texas A & M

Bridgewater and Louisville are a threat to finish in Top 5

cool cat- Teddy Bridgewater is on NOBODY's Heisman watch.

1- Colin Klein (Shannon recruit?)
2- Geno Smith or Mante' Teo
3- Aaron Rodgers

--- Where Teddy (aka the second coming of J12) at?

Colin Klein should win out. He is a stud that single handedly beat UM twice.

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Miami needs to run the ball well agsinst Va Tech. 100 yds for Mr 2 yard and a cloud of dust Mike James. Come on Mike, Come on man! Whats up?

Randy Shannon- Nice defense TCU giving up 56 to Texas Tech.

Hey 5-4-3-2" Why won't U just admit that Bridgewater is in the running and in the running Big Time. Bridgewater can flat out play and if he doesn't win the Heisman this year he'll just wait and win it next year.

Colin Klein: A good college player, but an NFL prospect? I don't think so.

Here's to hoping this staff understands that recruits from Miami and other parts of Florida are attracted to aggressive defenses. Right now, we have the softest defense is that state, and i'm not talking just Fsu and the gaytors, it's including usf, ucf, BETHUNE COOKMAN, FAMU, F.i.u. etc. etc.

We'd be straight if we had BETHUNE COOKMAN's d-co and headcoach as well, cause he understands what style needs to be played and how to get us there. I like goldie, but after this year, he's going to have to step his game up. I keep hearing we'll get better, of course we should, when you're already at the botton on defense, where else is there to go.

All the games with the exception of k st. were lost due to coaching, in fact, i'd say it was coaching too, cause last year we should've beat k st. by 2 touchdowns. Anyway, i'm happy for arthur brown though, never complained while here and is balling there in whatever scheme they're running and his draft stock is up as well!

If keith bryant ends up de-committing, goldie will soon realize why know d-linemen don't want to come here the hard way. In fact, no keith bryant, that'll probably mean no Dt's from the state of Florida this year. Once that happens, nobody is going to want to hear the crying. Guys on the team right now are trying to go to the side of the ball that'll give them the best opportunity to make money on Sunday's, at least the older guys are doing that, and right now, that's on the offensive side of the ball.

I'm also happy for Arthur Brown. Randy Shannon was never going to play that kid, so he did the right thing getting out of Miami.

Cool Cat,

Who cares about Teddy Bridgewater? Nobody. The list of recruits Shannon should've closed is much larger and more significant. Patrick Peterson, that's all we need to know.

Where did Shannon end up anyway?

There's too many of you sticking up for Larry Coker and Randy Shannon. Those were 2 of the most horrible coaches in college football. Shannon coudln't even get a job as a head coach and Coker is in San Antonio. That's how great they were at running this program. Have you entertained the thought that maybe, just maybe, the reason we have so much young talent is the absolute mess these idiots left behind.

If and when Golden leaves, I'm pretty sure he'll be coaching at a good D-1 program. He won't have to spend years looking for someone to hire him.

If we want to beat VT we need to be the 12th man and provide energy to this team. Last week the place SLS was actually electric and it rubbed off on the team. They did not win but did not get blowed out as the experts expressed, and they even covered the spread. So what if it's a Thursday game, get to the game! Let's support them, let's help them get to Charlotte. I actually liked tailgating with the criminole fans. twice would be nice.

Thank you Junk for stating the truth. Some people can't accept the reality that Shannon and Coker were both terrible and left a huge mess to clean up which thankfully Coach Golden is cleaning up. Last time I checked if coaches are so good as Cool Cat and Calvin say then they are hired immediately for other HC jobs, not coaching a D2 just turned D1 school this year or coaching LB's at TCU like Coker and SHannon. Also if the Bethune Crookman coach was such a hot great commodity then someone would have snatched him up, instead he's coaching D2 ball getting his butt whoopped by us and other D1 schools.

And Cool Cat, please with the Bridgewater yapping. He is having a nice season but Heisman, have U lost your mind.

Fisher has brilliantly made FSU Miami's foil, and he's identified the kind of players he's looking to sign from the region. If South Florida kids don't want to go to Miami, he's going to make sure they stay in state.

"You have two kinds, in my opinion: the kids that are truly loyal to Miami, the university, but even the city, they want to stay; or guys that want to get out," Fisher said last week.

The number of players that want to get out is higher than ever. As Miami has taken a fall, the allure of The U has slipped.
This is a clear problem. Golden and team must figure this out. No resource should be denied except we r not getting a on campus stadium. Besides that invest in the program or suffer the consequences 5-6 games of winning. Don't settle. Or Fl and Fsu will contine to be varsity and the U will be JV. Fix this Al!!! And AD team and Golden Canes!!!

Miami didn't have to recruit South Florida when it was at the top of college football. If a South Florida player was good, going to Miami was almost a given — it was up to other schools to recruit that player away.

I wonder if coker had to build the team to win the ring, if he would have coached harder, recruited harder. He was given the kes to a perfect team, so maybe, just maybe he was better than he showed. Some great players came under his watch, but I think they came to be a hurricane more than they were recruited by him. Randy i believe just thought this was miami and the best players would come on their own, and he would win. I wish it had worked out for either, but we have Golden now, like him or not. So far, it seems he works hard recruiting, I just hope he can turn us around. This defense is hard to watch, the offense really isnt much either, but we shall see. If he is willing to stick it out with the penalties, then I'm glad he's here. go canes

Golden wont be hired if he takes those inept coordinators with him. I like golden but those coordinators leave much to be desired. It's to much talk about Shannon he is the past he did some good things and bad things that ultimately got him fired. The problem is that some of the fans on here think that golden was an upgrade and the hurricanes are I shambles because of Shannon. The canes are in shambles because of some bad coordinators and some inexperience. However we can right the ship and turn this in to a productive season seeing as how the competition is the lowest that I have ever seen. It would be a travesty for us not to take advantage of our lowly decision. It's a one game season and this game will define golden and where this program is going. Lets beat vtech.

Tally just give these coordinators time to develop these young players and I believe you will see them in a much different light. Coker and SHannon completely screwed the program up. I blame Coker more than I do Shannon because at the least Rany did bring in some decent talent his first couple of years here, he just thought they could coach themselves and gave Harris the QB job on a silver plate and had his favorites which is why Arthur Brown looks like a Ray Lewis Clone at KState instead of here. Speaking of Harris, he had one of his best seasons last year under Fishe so we know the guy can turn players around and actually make them players. The defense has progressively gotten better each game under D'nofrio so I expect more improvement after the bye week and into next season. The guy had leftovers last year and this year he is playing new players on defense in their 2nd and 1st year so he has completely had to start over this year. In a couple of years shall we say year 4 of Golden's era would be a much more reliable and intelligent way to evaluate Golden and his staff. I know one thing defensively our back seven looks pretty good, its our D line that needs to step up and stuff the run and get a pass rush. That gets fixed and these kids grow up and this defense is going to be hard to score on. Paul, Perry man, and Johnson look as good a group of young LB's that we have had collectively in years or decades for that matter.

I'm back Cane brothers. That lost stung but I believe it's put up or shut up time for the rest of the season which will set the tone for the remainder of Golden's tenure. Duke's healthy? Give it to him 40 times vs VaTech Dokies and watch him go off!

Also, mad props to Alonzo Highsmith in following my lead on the Tropical Park location for the New Orange Bowl. With him and Uncle Luke heading it up, I believe in 2014 we are going to open it up undefeated and show the country, world, and universe THE U is back.

GO CANES ALL DAY EVERYDAY EXCEPT ON TACO TUESDAYS!!!

one game, one quarter, one play @ a time. you have to be focused and not worry about the last play just the next one is on your mind. beating VT will be hard but there is enough talent to do it. Go CANES

Championships I agree with you in some respect. The defense has looked better but we were at the bottom of the barrel so we can't go anywhere but up. I don't mind loosing with youth on the field but at least challenge the offense by playing a more aggressive style of defense. If we get beat over the top I can live with that but this soft zone type of defense is garbage. I would like to at least see an old school Miami type of defense on the filed. If we are gonna get 41 and 52 we could at least play more aggressive even without the pass rush.i thought the oc called an almost perfect game the first game of the year and he since then has abandoned the run thus keeping a young defense out on the field even longer. There have been some dumb play-calling like the pass to Morris un a bum ankle fooled no one and just plain didn't make any sense. We have used duke ing this season and the offense is in a complete regression. If they are gonna coach them up then coach them up. Schemes and play-calling could have one a game or two more and could have possibly kept us in more games. In the coaches defense the players must make plays but they also have a responsibility of bringing them up the right way.

We have to contain the running back for vtech #4. One cut and he is out. Vtech still has a serviceable defense and just as much time to prepare as we have. They lost there starting center two weeks ago so that should be at least one advantage for us. If golden and company can study hard and grow up then we can win. This is a a crucial game for us and a win means we still can hope but a lost would be devastating. We have to win this game.

If you're criticizing shannon as a headcoach here, you're being blind to the facts. When shannon took over, he was the first coach since howard schnelly to have to hire a whole staff from basically scratch. He tried to be loyal to tim walton and like goldie(jethro over petri), messed up and got rid of a d-line coach(palmero) and kept clint hurtt who can't coach d-lines to save his life.

shannon was the first headcoach at UM since howard to have to coach with assitants who hadn't won championships here before. Than worse than that, not only did the 1st draft pick streak end, but only 1 player got drafted and that was a guy(spendcer adkins) who didn't even start on his own team. shannon took over, started elevating the talent level again, guys started getting drafted on a regular basis again, higher and higher.

shannon's biggest downfall was not being able to get a good oc. Had he had one, he would've won the acc at least twice. hocutt just wanted to get rid of shannon because shannon wasn't with alot of that crap lo-cutt wanted him to do and alot of it is out in the open now.

The biggest difference betwen goldie and shannon is simple, goldie has the better oc, without jedd, this team is probably 1 & 7. He has been calling some weird things lately, but it seems like goldie is trying to get to involved with the offense now.

This defense is not gettng better, we just happened to play 2 teams, Fsu & gumbo fisher for some reason have problems with this defense, until they realized shayon green was guarding chris thompson.

frank beamer is just going to pound the rock and short pass us like they did last year when logan thomas was something like 22/23, ridiculous. The flats are always open in this defense. Our db's are already 10 yards back and still back pedaling at the snap, we don't re-route receivers anymore, so it's easy for almost all qb's to look great against us, ej manuel is just overrated.

When a defense is sitting around 118th, no excuse for that. If we don't run the ball with mike james behind haggens, we're not playing championship football. This coaching staff has lost at least 3 out of the 4 games.

Again, in case people didn't know, we only had 4 rushing attempts against Fsu the whole second half, how are you going to win any game playing like that.

Hey Tally, yeah I am in full agreement with you about how as a fan I would prefer to see a more aggressive style of defense and if we get beat then so be it over the top. As a coach what they are looking for is the opposing team to make a mistake from the QB position. Once our dline starts being able to pressure the QB more then the subsequent style will work and produce alot of Turnovers. Its a tough situation the coaches are in with the amount of youth this team has.
Offensively the problem I have with Fishe is I feel he abandons the run too prematurely but I know what he is thinking in that our receivers are our most dangerous weapons so he wants to utilize them and Morris's armstrength. The problem is it can cause too many three and outs. I thought Mike James did a great job running against FSU and really thought he should have got the ball more out of the I formation between the tackles.
And as far as Va Tech goes U are right. We stop 4 from running and make Thomas be a thrower not a runner and thrower and we should win pretty easily. Theres just no telling with such young players what they are going to do once they are on the field. I know this the two young DT's look decent for us, McCord as a pass rusher and Chickelo are starting to come around. And I know this is way too premature to say but collectively those 3 LB's remind me of Barrow, Armstrong and Smith from the 91 title team. I just can't remember a trio of young LBs as a unit that have so much upside on this defense in a long time. That hit Perryman put on the FSU TE was an old school Canes hit and I loved it.

Hey Tally, yeah I am in full agreement with you about how as a fan I would prefer to see a more aggressive style of defense and if we get beat then so be it over the top. As a coach what they are looking for is the opposing team to make a mistake from the QB position. Once our dline starts being able to pressure the QB more then the subsequent style will work and produce alot of Turnovers. Its a tough situation the coaches are in with the amount of youth this team has.
Offensively the problem I have with Fishe is I feel he abandons the run too prematurely but I know what he is thinking in that our receivers are our most dangerous weapons so he wants to utilize them and Morris's armstrength. The problem is it can cause too many three and outs. I thought Mike James did a great job running against FSU and really thought he should have got the ball more out of the I formation between the tackles.
And as far as Va Tech goes U are right. We stop 4 from running and make Thomas be a thrower not a runner and thrower and we should win pretty easily. Theres just no telling with such young players what they are going to do once they are on the field. I know this the two young DT's look decent for us, McCord as a pass rusher and Chickelo are starting to come around. And I know this is way too premature to say but collectively those 3 LB's remind me of Barrow, Armstrong and Smith from the 91 title team. I just can't remember a trio of young LBs as a unit that have so much upside on this defense in a long time. That hit Perryman put on the FSU TE was an old school Canes hit and I loved it.

Calvin or Cool Cat whichever one U are trying to be today, the Canes aint even your team so why are U worrying about us and where we are. Go blow yourself and learn the game.
Shannon for your information hand picked all of his assistants and the first OC he hired was Patrick NIx who he stated himself always gave him fits. Well that statement in itself tells me he wasn't too bright as a DC and he wouldn't know a good OC if God himself showed him one. He did follow a bad situation by being the guy to follow Coker who should have been fired after the 04 season. But that pales in comparison to the mess that Golden has had to clean up from Shannon and COker. I just got one question for U smartguy, If Shannon was so great then why is he coaching LB's at TCU instead of being offered a DC job or dare I say a HC job at a school. The reason why is he isn't as good as he was billed and he had Two great coaches to learn from in Jimmy Johnson and Butch Davis and he still screwed it up. I wish Randy well and wish he had become the coach that I thought he would when he got the HC job here, but he failed miserably and he had 4 years. Golden is in year 2 and U are pissing and moaning.

Shalalalala is going to be pissed if we beat Virginia tech. That said...Golden is going to turn things around, give him a chance.

Hummm...Tropical Park Location for a Hurricane Stadium...

Love the idea!

I am 20+ years removed from S. Florida, but from what I recall about the area...it is massivly loaded with Hurricane Fans and kids...

Pop Warner used to be huge and that whole area with Columbus, Palmetto, Killian, and the like were always UM Fans...

I really like the idea...

If Highsmith and Uncle Luke are pushing it...I'm in...

BTW, love the idea of Highsmith for AD...even if it's just a football thing...

I know there are guys who went on to do bigger things in the League...

But UM really burst to the front with guys like...

Highsmith, Bratton, Moss and those guys on the '83 Team...That was the Swag!

I bleed Orange & Green!

It's A Cane Thing...You would not understand!


Calvin or Cool Cat whichever one U are trying to be today, the Canes aint even your team so why are U worrying about us and where we are. Go blow yourself and learn the game.
Shannon for your information hand picked all of his assistants and the first OC he hired was Patrick NIx who he stated himself always gave him fits. Well that statement in itself tells me he wasn't too bright as a DC and he wouldn't know a good OC if God himself showed him one. He did follow a bad situation by being the guy to follow Coker who should have been fired after the 04 season. But that pales in comparison to the mess that Golden has had to clean up from Shannon and COker. I just got one question for U smartguy, If Shannon was so great then why is he coaching LB's at TCU instead of being offered a DC job or dare I say a HC job at a school. The reason why is he isn't as good as he was billed and he had Two great coaches to learn from in Jimmy Johnson and Butch Davis and he still screwed it up. I wish Randy well and wish he had become the coach that I thought he would when he got the HC job here, but he failed miserably and he had 4 years. Golden is in year 2 and U are pissing and moaning.

Posted by: championships is all that matters | October 24, 2012 at 11:26 PM
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Apparently you missed the point, the shannon having to hire that many guys is the first headcoach since schnelly to have to do that much major hiring. All the other coaches who won championships here had assistants that were championship assistant when they got here. shannon had to hire and o-line coach, he didn't have art kehoe like all the other coaches did, he had to hire a runningbacks coach, he didn't have soldinger, you can go on and on. No way was he ever going to win to many games with those assistants he had.

When jeff stoutland started making excuses about how many starts o-linemen should have together before they become dominant, that was a joke.

I could careless about shannon getting a headcoaching job somewhere, that's not his bread and butter. What's sad is, shannon is the best d-co out their, that probably will never be able to coach at UM again, or at least for a while now. If shannon was the d-co, we'd get a whole lot of real legit defensive players. Right now, only barrow has real pull bringing in defensive guys.

The only reason shannon isn't a d-co somewhere is because 1, he didn't want to coach nowhere else and than lose out on the money from that headcoaching contract from UM. shannon had several offers to be the d-co at alot of Universities. He chose tcu because he's been to that state playing for the cowboys. How many coordinators of the year do you know of. He also chose to coach linebackers becuase he wanted to be up under another headcoach and do what he luv's doing.

He may never be a good headcoach, but he'll always know how to coach defensive guys, his resume speaks for itself on that front. Of course patrick nix is going to give you problems when you got romeo davis and glenn cook as your linebackers.

shannon left goldie alot of talent. Not sure why people don't tell the Truth about shannon, when they say "he left this program in a mess", lol, that's a lie. He left goldie with, lamar miller, olivier vernon, forston, streeter, brandon washington, ray ray armstrong, the whole o-line except flowers, you know all the guys goldie basically wanted to come back, but they left because for sure those defensive guys didn't want to play for oach OH-NO. Plus streeter knew stephen morris was no jacory harris, so he didn't want to chance it coming back this year and morris not being sharp as j70.

shannon left a whole lot of talent, this staff created all the depth issues on defense, why are they're no depth issures on offense.

Shannon never played Arthur Brown or Streeter. He let Virginia close out the OB.

Someone flew a banner over the stadium to have that guy removed. Being a head coach isn't his bread and butter because the man is an imbecile. Lets see how he does as a dc without vilma, wwilfork, reed, and taylor.

Shannon was a horrendous coach. Proof was the 2005 Peach Bowl- UM's defense was pounded mercilessly by Matt FLynn and Joseph Addai (looked like Kansas State)and the DC (Shannon) never adjusted, the D looked confused, and it was over in the second quarter. Sure lots of blame also goes to Kyle Wright and the O-line. That is why Kehow and Soldy got fired as well. Shannonshould have been too that fateful year.

Fire Coker after 2004 someone said? Idioot.

In 2004 UM went 9-3 and beat UF in the Peach Bowl. Um's final ranking was like 13 or someothing, only because UF was not being hyped as much then and werent ranked high. Coker's biggest problem IMO was his poor recruiting in south florida, and not getting players to play to their hype. He wasnt a terrible recruiter based on what was available- Tyrone Moss, Charlie Jones, Ryan Moore (all 5 stars) but many of these so called five star players were busts.

Shannon was a marble mouth communicator. Word is, he played favorites on campus, had no idea how to be a leader, and alienated many local high school coaches. His worse legacy was that b-s QB shuffle between Marve and Harris (again... playing favorites). That time when he took teh players'names from the shirts. I mean the guy was either clueless or was stuck on Shalalals teet, and didnt understand how to let go and stand up to her.

How can youall say Coker was bad when he was HC during two trips to the NC:
2001-NC
2002-#2
2003-#5 and OB winner
2004-#13 and Peach Bowl winner
2005- bad loss to LSU (still finished 9-4)
2006- 7-6 (Still bowl winner)

2006... Last time UM won a bowl.

all this talk how many of U r going 2 the game on Thursday night? Any update on the 2 kids from BTW and University School?

All talk and no results. From the so called "fans", bandwagoners who won't show up on Thursday. To the players who are confused and not properly prepared. To the coaches who haven't got a clue. To the Head man Golden who talks a good talk but has a mediocre record.
All talk, no action. No results. No support.

For 5>3>2: PLEASE;

Championship and Tally:

We will not be a factor until we have depth on both sides of the field.
We will play well for 3 quarters, but the 4th is a problem.

No rotation or depth gives less flexibility to adjust and change up plays...for us it is a glaring fact and many of our opponents are playing in to that...

In a year or two, we will keep up the pressure and tear it up...for now we just need to support, sit tight, handle our business ,learn, and grow.

The process works we need more players to make it complete.
Go 'Canes Always

Golden and company are killing this team....coker built the miami brand all the greats from the 90's as the OC....60-15 coker with a bowl apperance every year he was the HC vs golden losing record of 34-44...Shannon is reponsible for all our wins this year.....now players are leaving and none will come with sanctions. Never should have fired Coker....were stuck with a situation what will take years to fix.....Golden will leave. He is not experience enough....players have NO faith in this staff. No we are stuck with all these mediocre staff....

shannon-coker get the last laugh.....former miami greats have distant themselfs from miami...its too embarrassing.

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