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Five former Hurricanes who left early for NFL keeping the faith (and Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all of you!)

Their decisions -- at least most of their decisions -- weren't very popular among University of Miami football fans.

The UM football underclassmen caravan one year ago began with receiver Tommy Streeter, and continued with defensive tackle Marcus Forston, running back Lamar Miller, offensive lineman Brandon Washington and defensive end Olivier Vernon.

UM coach Al Golden was admittedly shocked that so many departed even before waiting to receive their projected draft status from the NFL Draft Advisory Board, which can be requested by any underclassman eligible to leave early.

Some of those players were equally shocked during draft weekend. Washington was drafted 200th overall by the Eagles -- the 30th pick in the sixth round -- and didn't make the team. He's now on the practice squad with the St. Louis Rams.

Forston wasn't drafted, earned his way onto the Patriots roster as an undrafted free agent, then was released after three games and subsequently named to the Pats' practice squad.

Streeter was taken 198th overall by the Ravens and signed a four-year, $2.19-million contract, with a signing bonus of $94,500. He broke his left foot in the final preseason game and was placed on injured reserve for the season.

Olivier Vernon was the 72nd overall pick (third round) by the Dolphins and signed a four-year contract reportedly worth $2.84 million, with a $638,000 signing bonus.

Miller went 97th overall (fourth round) to the Dolphins and signed a four-year contract reportedly worth $2.58 million, with a $486,000 signing bonus.

I talked extensively to four of the five players, and to Tommy Streeter's dad.

All said they're happy they made the decision they did (Streeter's dad would have liked him to return for his senior season, but said Tommy is happy), although I'm figuring Brandon Washington, Marcus Forston and Streeter had their doubts after the draft.  

Washington was quoted last spring as telling ProCanes.com that if he knew he was going to be drafted that low, he would have stayed in school.

He told me that he really likes St. Louis, that sometimes he does get lonesome, but that he's just waiting for his moment. 

Streeter and Marcus Forston earned their college degrees while at UM. The others did not earn their degrees.

When asked if he'd make the same decision again, Washington told me, "Yeah, I would. I have my personal reasons. I think I made the best decision for me. I try not to look back.''

Streeter's dad, Tommy Sr., told me he feels Tommy "could have gotten better at his craft, and that putting together another great season like he had would have looked really good. But I wasn't disappointed because he did what I asked him to do. He went to college and got his degree.''

Marcus Forston told me he has become very close with former Cane defensive tackle Vince Wilfork, now an NFL star with the Patriots. HIs mother, Pearline Simmons, is spending Christmas with him in Foxboro.

"I have built a great relationship with Vince,'' Forston said. "I really feel like he's going to bring my game to the next level. Being around him, his attitude on the field and off the field, and even around his family - he's an all-around great guy.''

Forston and Vernon talked about how tough it was having three different defensive coordinators while they were at UM. Vernon admitted that it was tough having a new coach as well, and getting used to his ways. 

Forston respectfully declined talking about what effect the new coaching staff had on his decision. But he did say he never intended to be at UM for five years. Injuries took their toll on him, and he said he was ready to leave when he did.

Lamar and Vernon are very satisfied, and realize how fortunate they are to have landed in their backyards  in Miami -- where they grew up and have played their entire careers.

Here's the link to the story I wrote for today's paper about the five Canes who left early. http://hrld.us/Y6yBIZ   By the way, they said they all keep in touch with each other.

Everyone have a wonderful and peaceful Christmas and holidays. 

SUSAN MILLER DEGNAN

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Coach Golden had his new rules, and I was used to coach [Randy] Shannon’s ways,” Vernon said. “New coaches are going to implement all their rules and try to weed everybody out on a team that’s not following the program.”
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lol, i was telling people last year, them boys wasn't with goldie and his new ways. Not to say they were bad, they just wasn't going to work, and miller leaving early was not a bad move, neither was vernon or forston. In fact the only one in my opinion that lost the most was streeter. All the other guys leaving, was forston relly going to get better under jethro and this new technique after 3 years of focusing on getting up field. Was vernon going to look any better being asked to be in coverage.

Where was brandon washington going to play, at guard or tackle. So while it wasn't the most popular decision, those 4 guys took the opportunity they had and did their thing. It just doesn't look good for brandon though when you look at how bad the philadelphia offensive line was this year and didnt make that team. Him playing one year under kehoe at his natural position of guard may have elevated his stock. If forston stays healthy, he'll be good to go in this league. got alot of talent.

Calvin youare dead wrong on Forston, Washington and Streeter. Period.

How wrong are you? At least $400,000 a year wrong. Forston and Washington will probably never make a roster, especially as the SEC is about to graduate and send out a bunch of bad a55 defensive linemen this year. The extra year would have translated to a better draft pick, and clearly a contract. Same with Streeter. Hey- his dad knew. SO you are saying you know more than his dad? The only ones who "probably" made the right decision were Vernon and Miller. I am not convinced about Miller, although he is doing OK with the fins (if they used him better- he is still third string). Vernon had to leave because of his involvment with the Sh*tiro scandal. plus, he obviously didnt want to put in the work. His whining about Golden's sytem? LOL> Wait about 1 more year. Philbin will be gone. and you will have to be in another system.

$114,000 a year Marcus? How you going to help momma with that? After the new Obama tax code, that will go down to $70,000. That is, if you pay your taxes. Mass. taxes are pretty high as well! You're screwed..Should have stayed. Could have had a 2 bedroom house instead of a 2 bedroom apartment. And youcould have bought one for momma. Now you are left with peanuts. No thankls to Drew the snake oil salesman Rosenhaus.

According to an interview with Rosenhuster(the manipulator) many of these guyse spent the money before they were drafted in anticipation of the big bucks...Momma is still waiting on the big payday.
Stay in school one more year they could have taken care of business.
$$$$$$$ signs were seen trading off the legacy of the 'U'
No one could have convinced them to stay another year..
To a man they will justify leaving early for whatever reason...however they KNOW that they screwed up and face that fact everyday..

The payday ain't there.

They are 'Canes, but they in my opinion turned their back on the 'U' and were NOT there when we needed them.

Who of all those that left early are playing on a winning NFL team, right now?.....

The 'U' and your agent can only carry you so far...after that it is Work and more Work to beat the Professionals who are not easily supplanted..another year would have been Cool for these guys no doubt about it. Working with Coach G would have been a Win, win.
Reality bites....
Go 'Canes Always

These guys were idiots and they get what they deserve and they are paying the price for their dumb decisions. They tried for the quick buck, didn't want to work hard and they will be done and gone in a few years from the NFL. Its too bad b/c most of them had a ton of talent and had they come back would have gone much higher in the draft. And you can say this and that about injuries but when you do not get drafted or get drafted low, there is no difference. At least give yourself a chance to succeed, these guys were boneheaded probably were going to hear none of it from anyone.

And Forston's comment about not planning on being at UM for 5 years was not the plan was stupid. Sometimes the plan does not go as planned and you have to take it as it comes. When you try to force things in life that are not there thats when bad things happen.

There are about 3-4 decisions everyone makes in their life that effect where they go in their lives for the future and you hope people make the smart choice. But when you make the wrong and dumb choice, life becomes very hard and very long. These guys are unfortunetely going to pay the price for the dumb, stupid decisions that they made.

sac ridah 532, and soon we're going to count down to 1 or zero, i told you a while ago, learn how to read or get glasses. I specifically stated streeter was the only one who lost the most. The other 3 leaving was not bad moves. miller already had a shoulder problem that needed surgery, whether he stayed or left, staying was more risky for miller than any of the other guys, he needed surgery anyway, already had enuff proven game footage to get drafted, he only fell as low as he did because of his shoulder injury and that wasn't going to change by him playing 1 more year.

plus him splitting reps with mike james and duke how was he going to be able to improve his draft status.
Same with o-yeah, while he definitely would've started over shayon green, he might've increased his draft status, but at the same time, who's to say he wouldn't have gotten suspended like they did with ray ray. They only cut ties with ray ray because of the new UM rules when it comes to agents and the fact that ray ray's girlfriend is dealing with that industry, the easy thing for goldie and crew to do was cut ties.

It's not that ray ray did something outrageous, they were just trying to set a president. Did vaughn telemaque staying one more year help his draft status. Under shannon, both him and ray ray were draft eligible, under goldie and crew, they ruined both of their chances to get drafted point blank. Now, deon bush and rayshawn jenkins playing at a high level will be the only saving grace for this staff to justify why they went with those 2, but still, again, another situation where depth was an issue created by this coaching staff to only follow that up with the "youth excuse".

Was kacy rodgers better than vaughn telemaque. Than we go to forston, already on surgery 2 or 3, what good was it going to do him to comeback, risk getting injured again for free when him making $114,000 is is already about 10 times more legit money than his Mother was making, so you're being foolish. You don't need to be a millionaire to be able to help somebody get to a better situation plus him staying wasn't going to necessarily upgrade his draft status using this new 2 gap d-tackle technique that's being taught, that's not his strong point and with that bad knee/s he had to roll, got his degree already so he was straight.

brandon washington may have had a hardtime being the full time starter at guard just because he would've been moving back, plus with the way this staff was operating, he would've been rotated in and out on a regular basis so the underclassmen could get more burn. Or they may have tried to keep him out at tackle over bunche, who knows, but he wasn't in the best position, so coming back for his senior year, who knows, and had he gotten injured, he definitely wouldn't have had a chance to make it to the nfl.

So at least right now, he's in position to be called up at anytime, and if that happens, he'll instantly start making around $375k, so him leaving more than likely excelarated his chances of being in position to start earning that, plus brandon leaving didn't hurt our o-line. So once again, you're not making sense, goldie is only crying about it because he got caught off guard and he was counting on forston and especially vernon being back as well as streeter, those are the 3 that hurt em. So now what UM has done is put a system in place that won't allow the coach to be caught off guard per say, but it'll just force more agents to use other means, to get to the players, no big deal to them.

Now will the players risk it, if a player is going to be a high draft pick no matter whether he's gets kicked off the team or suspended, they're not going to care to much about those new UM rules and UM would only be hurting it's self if that happened by them suspending a player or 2.


So again, learn the facts, olivier is a good place and it worked out perfect for em, the same with lamar miller, who was in my opinion one of the steals of the draft, his blocking will become better once his confidence in his shoulder becomes better, but he definitely can't use his shoulder's like portis use to or it'll cause him problems, miller did the right thing for sure and this year was basically a rehab year for him anyway. Same with forston, he has the talent to get it done, at what level, time will tell, a guy like forston would be better off on a d-line like the one dave mustache is coaching.

vos, while you made some solid points, just look at more facts, the players that shannon brought in on defense, did they progress or regress under this new regime, would them coming back truly had guaranteed that any of them would have gotten drafted higher, the only one who had the most chance of getting drafted higher was streeter, because we run an offense that would've continued to highlight his talents. Other than that, people can say miller should've comeback, but the man played most of the year with a shoulder that needed surgery already anyway, so why comeback and play another year, miller had the most risk simply because of the position he's playing.

But when you add in the fact that miller got over a 900K signing bonus, and will make another 500K a year for the next 4 years, and if he starts playing for the Dolphins like he did at UM, it'll definitely be easy for him to get more marketing deals off of "miller time" or something close, so miller is in a good spot. Now streeter got less than a 100K signing bonus, he's the one who lost the most and should've came back for sure, and had he worked for george mcdonald for one more year, he would've been straight.

But i will say this in streeters defense, it was still a risk for him to comeback as well, because their was no guarantee that smo17 was going to be the qb he was this year, so that was another reason streeter rolled out and miller, because they would have risked teams stacking the box and getting double teamed until smo17 proved himself, than miller not knowing what kind of o-line was coming back, at the end of the day, all of these young men put themselves in position to be able to make the decision that they did make, i can't bash em for that.

Butterball forston cost himself plenty of money already and in future. We was a nothing in college and so far the same in the pros.
Crimminal wilfork, great friend.

Calvin again you are writing off the top of your head..

Golden "was not caught off guard " with these players leaving early..
They decided without his advice to make the move, but he helped them quote " I made the phone calls and supported the players who decided to leave early."

NFL teams do not buy in without checking with the College Coach so to say he was caught offguard is not accurate..

Everyone knew it was being considered by these players, including Coach G.
The more accurate comment would have been when apprised of their leaving he helped in any way a Coach could in answering questions asked by the NFL..
That is correct, not your conjecture..

This point was made in 6-7 sentences not a book as the above.Not rambling to yourself as the above posts.

VOS good points and it confirms that money and greed to grab does not always win... A major life decision should look at ALL options.
Happy Holidays Susan, thanks,
Go 'Canes Always

What's done is done.
The guys on the offensive side would not have made a difference this year. Actually, Duke's play would have been reduced considerably if Lamar had come back.

Our D line without Forston and Vernon is where we were hurt most.

With those guys, we win the Virginia game. the FSU game is a little tighter in the 2nd half because of the added depth. Maybe we win the UNC game with TD Tommy because Dorsett was still in his funk.
We're 9-3 instead of 7-5, maybe.

Susan being rather kind, as is her usual style.

The $ is not guaranteed, except for the signing bonus so their likely takeaway could be much smaller. The success rate of moving from the practice squad to the team is not high.

Streeter is still very short on game reps and sitting out another year didn't help in that regard. Still, he has height and speed so will always get a fair look.

Uh Oh, not that it's surprising, but did butch davis actually take the headcoaching job at F.i.u., lol, if so, things just got real. goldie better loosen up that tie now, the real sheriff is in town, lol.

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If someone is saying goldie was not caught off guard, apparently they don't follow UM football. Of course goldie helped them get information, but did you not read where a few of the guys didn't even wait for the advisory boards info to comeback before making their decision, so how was goldie not surprised, he said it himself, but more importantly it's common sense. The fact that goldie said "he's never seen where kid/s made a decision before their reveiw came back" so how could he not be surprised.

Some of you on here just try and write stuff just for the sake of trying to refute facts, must be to try and help create more dialogue, because the rebuttals are asanine, lol. If goldie wasn't surprised, why was he pissed, lol, get real.

Again, forston leaving wasn't a bad move for him, with the amount of knee injuries he had, good move, he got his degree and moved on. Alot of people are but hurt like goldie was because it F'ed up his depth chart. I can guarantee you one thing, had coach petri still been here, those guys might of stayed, but when you go from being a get up field technique to being asked to slo drag with o-linemen technique, that's a coaching staff that didn't coach to the players strength's. So now what they're about to do is go all in on the type of players that "fit their system".

This is why bond is coming, he's around the same size as shayon green but he's way more athletic than him. This staff prefers the more athletic 6'4 255 type that can play dual roles, as oppose to our traditional 6'4 255 guys tha were pass rushers only. At the same time, this staff prefers bigger defensive ends, in general, the 3-4 defense makes your defense a whole lot slower, because it relies more on brute strength as oppose to more athleticism.

I'm not going to get back into the difference between the 3-4 & the 4-3, but just know this, the 3-4 defense is a defense that's a slow starting defense, it has to see what the other offense is doing first and than adjust from their, as oppose to the 4-3, where you know the 4-3 is going to come after you from the 1st play, and continue to smother you all game long.

Calvin youyre a moron- How long did it take you to write that chapter? Its almost as long as Genesis.

Again, I will spell it out in 4 lines: You are dead wrong. Streeter, Forston, and Washington needed another year at the U. Now, the dumba55es are seeing how much that stupid decisioncost them

532-none, get rid of your jealousy and be happy for those guys who put themselves in position due be able to have grown-ups like you try and bash young men, how silly is that. All of those guys are in a good place right now, have a big opportunity in front of them and are making more money than they ever have. It's their life, why are you upset with the choices somebody else made with their life, how did that affect you that you have to resort to callign them names.

Those guys had no faith in this staff helping them get better, so they rolled out and made a business decision, just be sure that when one or all of them make it and become productive, you post congratualatory post when the same passion you keep spewing this venom with.

You go to college to make more money, those guys came to UM and now their making more money. How can anyone be mad that these guys made a decision that affects them and their families. streeter is about the only one who possibly left money on the table at the same time, he got drafted, signed a 4 year 2. whatever million dollar contract, so unless you top that, i can understand your jealousy, in the mean time, get a life and stop bashing 22 year old kids, just because their football players their still 22 years old.

I was sorry to see those guys go early. As Canes, I wish them well. I hope other players learn from that experience and stay at the U the maximum numbers of years, as Streeter's dad says, "to perfect their craft."

Merry Christmas. Go Canes!

Calvin, these guys never gave themselves a chance to improve or get drafted higher. They just thought they were better than they really are, on top of the fact they received some pretty crummy advice from somewhere and no one was going to them otherwise not to leave. Sure there was no guarantee they would get drafted higher but there was no chance at that point in time they were going anywhere in the draft. So had they come back, they had the opportunity to possibly improve. They are going to learn a hard lesson about making bad decisions.

Now the only guy I believe who made the right decision was Miller. Kid was a 2nd rounder, that's pretty good and he probably could not have done much better than that so he was wise to leave. He was a good RB, not elite, so he did well after the year he had. The 2nd round is good money. The others had no business leaving. They were not good enough and certainly not prepared which is evidenced by what NFL teams thought of them then, and clearly what they think of them now. Problem is the window is short and there is always someone younger and hungrier ready to take your job so I expect them gone from the league in a few years, at most.

In the immortal words of the Emperer...."you will pay the price for your lack of vision!"

lol, i was telling people last year, them boys wasn't with goldie and his new ways. Not to say they were bad, they just wasn't going to work, and miller leaving early was not a bad move, neither was vernon or forston. In fact the only one in my opinion that lost the most was streeter. All the other guys leaving, was forston relly going to get better under jethro and this new technique after 3 years of focusing on getting up field. Was vernon going to look any better being asked to be in coverage.

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And after 4 years of mediocrity and getting beaten by USF and demolished by Ohio State I was ready for them to MOVE on. As far as Vernon saying new coach old coach crap, my response would be YOU ARE SUPPORTING SOMEONE WHO SAID DUKE WAS A TOUGH PLACE TO PLAY.

I think you all are jealous of these kids , I can give you a phone book of kids who gave these schools their healthy bodies for peanuts. These guys stay 4 years and some of the graduated , and would it matter the school gave up the chance for bowl games. Roll Tide!!

Golden is worst than Randy , next year you boys will be 7-5 again because ur to slow ,small ,little ,look like they still in high school and poorly coached. The following year you ladies will be 8-4 then 8-4 . Roll tide #1 you kids need to roll out with a real champ


lol, i was telling people last year, them boys wasn't with goldie and his new ways. Not to say they were bad, they just wasn't going to work, and miller leaving early was not a bad move, neither was vernon or forston. In fact the only one in my opinion that lost the most was streeter. All the other guys leaving, was forston relly going to get better under jethro and this new technique after 3 years of focusing on getting up field. Was vernon going to look any better being asked to be in coverage.

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And after 4 years of mediocrity and getting beaten by USF and demolished by Ohio State I was ready for them to MOVE on. As far as Vernon saying new coach old coach crap, my response would be YOU ARE SUPPORTING SOMEONE WHO SAID DUKE WAS A TOUGH PLACE TO PLAY.

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shannon wasn't saying nothing crazy, but from the way things are now, since alot of people tend to try and bash shannon when shannon was the one who actually brought back the winning expectations and talent back to UM, i guess duke is not a tough place to play since goldie and his crew hung 52 and helld duke to only 45 points, i guess it's not so tuff to play in duke after all, GTFOH man, shannon never allowed a duke team to score 45 points or even come this close to losing to them, but somehow, what shannon said, people try and make it seem like he said something that wasn't true.

In the meantime, goldie gets in a shoot-out with duke, and barely doesn't go into over time with duke, scors 52 points and still doesn't have the game put away, but somehow people want to focus on what shannon said, obviously shannon must know WTF he's talking about and since goldie barely got out of their with only a 7 point win, somehow, people keep giving him a pass.

Golden is a liar , I would never send my kid to play for him. He does not care about his players and they knew it . Blaming Shannon only goes so far ,those kids hated him more than they loved money. Those kids from Dade don't trust him one second.

Calvin, if you ain't careful U are going to be the biggest dumbass on this blog! Think logically and type accordingly. Shannon sucked and never developed one player that got better under him. These players best year was their freshmen year. Streeter had his best year under Golden, so did Miller, and Spence. Vernon was out too many games to do much and Washington and Forston were both busts that will never be on any squad in the NFL other than a practice squad until they change their lazy work ethic. Oh I forgot about Jacory Harris who without a doubt had his most productive year under Golden. That is one thing that the Canes have now that they didn't under Shannon or Coker and that is a great work ethic. And Shannon never faced as good a Duke team as this past years one with a predominately freshmen team. Plus probably our best LB eddie Johnson wasn't even there. Oh one more thing Golden has won a Coastal Division Title, Shannon hasn't won anything as a head coach. And ajust because a team plays a 3/4 defense doesn't mean they are slow idiot. Alabama, Oregon, Florida, and Georgia all run a 3/4 scheme and they don't look slow to me. Get outta here with all of your hating on Golden cause he's a better HC than Shannon. Everybody on here supported SHannon when he was hired but the man couldn't and didn't get it done and wouldn't have. I am just glad they fired him when it was evident that the players nor the program were progressing. Hell COker should have been fired in 2004.

oh well you get what you get.

The biggest difference between shannon and goldie is, goldie hired the better oc. How many players got drafted when shannon took over the program wise owl. How much nfl talent was shannon left with when he took over and how much nfl talent was left to goldie when he took over, don't be a fool and ignore the facts. The only reason people are dissappointed with shannon is, alot of people fell for the "Um has the #1 recruiting class" b.s. by all those sites. Meant nothing, it was a solid class, but how you become the #1 ranked recruiting class with a bunch of wide receivers and linebakcers is beyond stupid.

shannon's best class was his 2010 class, how is goldie a better coach than shannon when this defense is the worst defense in UM history. You're making excuses now for why duke scored 45 points on us, but when shannon said it was a tough place to play, he wasn't just basing that off of UM going to duke, many teams didn't have it easy going their. At the emd of the game teams separated themselves, but get serious, now you're trying to say "this was the best duke team ever", lol, if that's the case than, this was the weakest the acc has been, and goldie didn't in the coastal out-right, we lost to unc, had they not been on probation, they would've represented.

When shannon was coaching, the acc was a whole lot stronger and shannon never cried about our schedule like goldie is now. In 2009, shannon like a True Hurricane welcomes that schedule with open arms, opened up with #18 Fsu, the next game #14 Georgia tech, next game #11 Virginia tech and than the next game #8 Oklahoma, and never once cried about it and came out 3 & 1. If you heard jimmy johnson when he talked to the team about how he couldn't wait for the top teams to come and play us, he embraced it, etc. etc. but here al goldie is, crying about facing #21 Kansas st., than with 3 games in between, faces #9 notre shame and than of course Fsu, but goldie kept trying to highlight all year those teams were ranked #1 in the nation, well they wasn't when played em and why you crying. He acted like the schedule we had this year was actually tough, he talked about how good boston college was after that game, trying to make it seem like they were really that strong of a team and all they seemed to have done is go 2 & 10 the rest of the way, tried to tell us how good that Virginia cavalier team was, and all they did was go 4 & 8 on the year but yet this guy is crying about the schedule.

Won't be long before goldie starts crying about we should move to the mac conference. I like goldie, but it's a crying shame for this mofo to be crying about this weak schedule we had this year. goldie didn't do a good job coaching this year. Also learn football bozo, the gaytors run a 4-3 defense. Those teams you named with the exception of bama, run different versions of the 3-4, the version that goldie and his boy are trying to run, they want their players to be bulked up and are trying to run the big 10 style of the 3-4 bozo, are you going to now tell us how fast those big 10 defenses are now that get torched every time they play a team with speed.

shannon was handcuffed(with money & talent) when he was here and still did a way better job than goldie has done up to this point. They opened up the flood gates for goldie and right now, it's not impressive, if jedd wasn't here, goldie would be on the verge of getting fired and if butch davis takes this job at F.i.u., goldie is not going to out recruit him or out develop plers over butch. Did travis benjamin have his best year under shannon or goldie. How about ray ray and vaughn telemaque. How about our whole defenses under shannon, get real.

If shannon had the resourses to hire the oc he wanted, he would still be the headcoach here, but troll shalala and the rest of those who didn't want shannon here long term handcuffed em. Yeah, they like goldie, he's the window dressing and face they prefer to have representing UM, but coming in breaking all the wrong UM records, no way could shannon have had defenses this bad and not be on the hot seat, instead, they're acting like rewarding goldie because he chose to stay at UM with the allegations and this and that, hell, if it wasn't for shannon, and he would've stayed here with no problem, but he was the one who tried to run that bozo off and wasn't going to and didn't sac ride em like troll shalala and lo-cutt did whoring themselves for his ponzi scheme dollars. Instead shannon got conspired against and fired, goldie gets the reward money all because they're saying he stayed, lol, it's a joke.

You can't get no Truer as a Hurricane than randy shannon, he would've been here with no problem and rode the wave. Would've had teddy bridgewater and had finally gotten the oc he needed and by now, we would've been humming, but the guys who went elsewhere, wasn't with that goldie talk. It's a learning curve for any coach that comes to Miami and than tries to recruit here, goldie is trying to fit in and his boy oach OH-NO does not breed confidence to the defensive guys around Miami, tracy howard specifically let it be known, he didn't come here for the coaches, same with duke johnson, he didn't come here for the coaches, same with alot of the guys that came here.

Right now, the guys that goldie is connecting with are those tampa boys, but the heart of the city guys, goldie is clueless right now and has actually stayed away from alot of em. ALot of people ragging on thomas finnie, where all that luv goldie said he has for the players now, it's always easy to say you luv the players when they're following all the rules, but soon as they do something, we'll see the true colors of the coaches now.

I like goldie, but if he keeps trying to blame the players and not his boy oach OH-NO for how bad this defense is, it'll be time for him and his boy to GTFOH. And if alot of yall are dumb enuff to blame the players for the how bad the defense is, you're not real UM fans and don't know jack sqaut about UM football or football period. Are yall that ignorant to think all of a sudden now guys from Miami and South Florida all of a sudden don't know how to play defense now. Or did somebody bring a cotton candy scheme here, that's causing that.

The youth excuse is over, one man being out of the line-up all because he smoking weed, eddie johnson was their when boston college hung 32 on us, he was their when Georgia tech hung up 36, he was their for most of the season, so just because he missed the duke game, WTH does that mean, it means you're falling for that goldie bs and excuse making and blaming the players for the defense when it's a clown running it.

The ultimate is, goldie moving players to the offensive side of the ball to create depth problems to try and buy more time for his boy to try and catch up to these other mediocre D-1 oc's and right now, it's been an "EPIC FAIL". What was the reasoning behind trying to move luther robinson to the o-line, and now they got jacoby briscoe and jake o'donnel practicing with the offense. It's about to be a defensive players mutiny real soon. We got an idiot trying to run the defense, than to hear he pulled his name out the running for the headcoaching job at temple, get serious, he knew just like everybody else knew, he had no chance at becoming the headcoach over their, so of course he pulled his name out before they threw it out.

Don't worry, all of you who are infactuated with goldie, if he rolls out or gets fired, shannon is still waiting in the wings. Reminds me of those people who were crying with saban left the dolphins, so what, he didn't win nothing while he was here and wasn't going to, he did destroy the defense before he left though, that's the only reason i was mad. So it is right now with coach goldie, if he left now, so what, he hasn't won jack squat here yet and has the most embarassing defense i have ever seen, i get sick to my stomach watching us play defense.

In fact, when we go on defense, alot of times i don't even watch us until we get the ball back on offense, i can't stomach watching this defense play.

Calvin---you are right the defense was horrible and gave up huge plays...they did not get turnovers and could not stop the run..The biggest thing this defense lacks in my opinion is that true stud DT..the great hurricane defenses always had big DT's to stop the run or get middle pressure on the QB...Facts are one we are young on defense, alot of kids did not have experience, especially the defensive line...two started a different lineup every game due to injuries or guys not performing..three one of the worst tackling teams I have ever seen...the coaching obviously is being questioned but Calvin I ask that you give the coaches one more year...I live in Virginia and the blueprint that got Temple off the ground is in the works at Miami..Golden and company really came around in year 3 and developed some good players( I think its 5 or 6 guys in NFL from Temple)..I know that does not sound like a lot but Temple was horrible...We need to keep the coaching staff in tact to bring some stability losing McDonald at WR coach is going to hurt but considering the sanctions hanging over Miami, Golden has done okay..As a Hurricane fan, i want championships too but we were picked to finish 5th in the Coastal and still ended second to UNC..7-5 and a crap defense is not what anyone wants but Miami has to get help on the DL and quickly..As good as our offense can be , we also need to start dominating time of possession to help the defense out..the offense just scored to fast sometimes..Merry Christmas fellow Hurricane fans and keep the faith and wish everyone a better and winning new year

Holy cow Calvin. Youre sitting there writing what amounts to the declaration of independence on xmas day.

You say that many of us are infatuated with Coach Golden. Wrong. He is the coach. He just finished his 2nd year. Right before the beginning of his first year, Shannon had like 4 commits. Golden and his staff busted their behinds and salvaged the recruiting season in 2010-2011. Half way through his second season people like yourself were already hating on him. Talk about not giving a guy a chance. I liked the Shannon hire. I gave him a chance. He went from a despicable 5-7 whiole losing to UVA at the last OB game (and many of hus still gave him a chance)- to 7-6 ok improved, lets give him a chance to 9-4, ok, he lost the bowl but lest keep giving him a chance to a pathetic 7-6 still losing a bowl. He got chances. So should Golden.
My view, Golden goes 7-6 again, he gets the hot seat, and if no improvement after that he's gone. But the man needs to show what he can do with his recruits.

jessie, i'm not sure what happened to the post i responding to you with, but you bring up good points. But at the end of the day, what was done at temple, while somewhat respectable, goldie and his crew had the biggest budget in the mac conference to work with. Plus it's pennsylvania, we know they got some real solid ballers up that way and not to far from jersey. The problem i have is, they didn't dominate their own conference with that defense. luke has pointed itout on several occassions, when you look at the offensive coaches, they've all coached at higher levels. besides barrow, all the defensive coaches are suspect and they've proven it in many games this year.

I like goldie, but i'm going to lose respect for him if he keeps trying to blame the players for the inept defense. The youth excuse holds no weight with me. goldie likes to try and pass off to the public what's a good team or who's a good coach, he tried to tell us how good boston college was after that game, only to see them go 2 & 9, he'll try and tell you how good of a coach his unemployed mentor in al groh is, and than he'll say he's not sure what happened, what happened is, your mentor couldn't stop middle Tennessee st. furthermore, middle Tennessee st. d-line was as young or younger tha nour d-line but the held them to less points than we did.

uconn held NC. st. to 10 points, but all we hear is, with these back handed compliments of "i wouldn't trade rayshawn jenkins for anybody, but he was out of poisition" and like i said, ok, that's one play, you take that 99 yard bomb away, who was responsible for the other 484 yards given up. My problem with goldie is inability to judge what a good team is. He's not a championship coach nowhere, he has alot of potential, but he's going to have to elevate his mental game in order to lead this program to where it belongs.

For those who try and bash shannon, it's comical, shannon got left with kyle & kirby, goldie was left with j70 & smo17, lamar miller, travis benjamin, streeter, allen hurns, mike james, basically a plethora of talent to work with, it's not even close if we're goingf to act like shannon started off on an even plane, this program was in worse shape when shannon took over than what shannon left goldie with.

I'll say it again, if goldie is going to keep trying to make excuses and try and pacify people over how bad this defense is, had shannon been the headcoach people would've been calling and blaming shannon for a defense if it was this atrocious. We got a lot of fake fans who don't know what they're talking about when it comes to UM, they'll being foolish enuff to blame the players to like all of a sudden guys from Miami & South Florida have all of a sudden stopped knowing how to play defense.

In the meantime, you look up the road, guys like jabari gorman, marcus roberson and crew are balling up their in gaytorville in press man 4-3 base defense. They're being allowed to be athletes, our guys our being asked to be zombies and robots which is a clear sign that goldie and his boy oach OH-NO don't realize what type of talent they have access to. Their forcing to much displaced weight on the young guys which makes them almost null and void in their second year.

asante at 270, dyron dye at 275 but somehow goldie is bashing them saying we need more out of our tight-end position, the only one getting open is dyron dye, why, he's at his natural weight, if they asked dyron dye to put on any more weight, we won't be hearing to much more from him in the passing game. same with this new tight-end coming in, he needs to stay round 250 to 260 at most, anything else would be uncivilized.

Keeping oach OH-NO for continuity purposes, let's hope not, cause i'm still trying to get goldie to explain to us how he got the confidence he got in oach OH-NO. It doesn't tkae this long to get a team to start playing better defense. Georgia tech got rid of al groh and immediately started playing better defense and got to the acc championship game because of it. It'll be the same way if this clown leaves. And if getting rid of goldie is the only way we'll be able to get rid of oach OH-NO, i'm all in!

Calvin.
Enough bro.
Youre not making any sense

If they are happy, then who are we to question their decisions? The ones complaining probably could care less about these guys, they just wanted them to stay for their own selfish reasons.. One clown even question if Fortson is going to pay his taxes.. What a chump!

202: of course. Fans say things for their selfish reasons. Thats the definition of a fan. But these are opinions. Even calvin's 2000 word thesis is an opinion piece.

The point was that forstons 114000 salary minus taxes is only about 70000. Thats sad. Given that had he, washington and streeter stayed one more season, all three would have likely commanded a much higher draft position.

Translation: millions.

And the team would have been better for it.

Call me selfish, but I want my U back.

Whelp, Christmas day, time to write six pages of nonsense no one is going to sit through reading!

first off merry christmas to all the real U fans,now oh my goodness"calvin"can you put your opinions & comments in smaller paragraphs geez you gotta write that much to express your senseless thoughts geez.

streeter is injury prone, but is the best athlete..miller has to bulk up and get stronger to match bush..
We always lose more of our top seniors than Fla and F$U imo.


If they are happy, then who are we to question their decisions? The ones complaining probably could care less about these guys, they just wanted them to stay for their own selfish reasons.. One clown even question if Fortson is going to pay his taxes.. What a chump!

Posted by: 202cane | December 25, 2012 at 07:20 PM
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202Cane, doesn't take long to see who thejealous ones are. They got wedgies like goldie once these guys rolled out. It says alot about goldie that guys didn't even wait until their info came back, they just wanted to get away from some of the fake stuff that's been going on. I like goldie, but we'll find out whether he's legit or a fraud, and if he keeps trying to promote his boy oach OH-NO, and pass him off as being competent, than the but buddy act has to go.

202Canes, they're acting as if had the defensive guys stayed, it would've elevated their draft status, lol. How would brandon harris draft status increase by playing primarily zone defense, so he had to jet out. How would olivier vernon's draft status increase by being asked to cover runningbacks in the flats, lol, i guess shayon green's draft stock is about to sky rocket once they see him trying to cover chris thompson coming out of the backfield once they get a hold of the Miami/Fsu footage.

To many clowns in here man, that don't know football and can only hang onto the words of a coach and try and latch on to general situations but can't analyze the reality that happened right in front of their faces.

To criticize guys and call these young men names because they choice to do what they thought was best for them. Some of them left instead of running the risk of getting suspended over foolishness. ray ray armstrong decided to stay and it cost that many a chance at being drafted. many people called that man names but don't realize, UM basically couldn't tell ray ray who to date, it just so happened that his girlfriend is basically in the agent type business, so UM chose to cut ties because even the nc2a don't have a rule against that, but they'll all take the easy way out and let ray ray go. vaughn telemaque had a chance to go pro to as well and get drafted, seeign what staying cost him, so the who looks like they got the beter of the deal, the underclassmen who rolled out, or the guys who tried to finish out their senior year.

Was mike james used in a way that would raise his draft status, streeter would've benefited the most had he stayed but since he had no faith in smo17 having the year he had, he rolled out and took his chances on his junior year, it got him drafted, and he'll more than likely play out his first contract worth 2.19million, that's good for a guy who just got a degree.


streeter is injury prone, but is the best athlete..miller has to bulk up and get stronger to match bush..
We always lose more of our top seniors than Fla and F$U imo.

Posted by: MH | December 25, 2012 at 11:37 PM
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miller is already a better runningback than reggie bush, those bozo's just didn't know how to use miller or bush the right way. Plus, in the nfl, it's a numbers game, all miller has to do is work on his blocking that can protect his shoulder at the same time. He wasn't really trying to do to much blocking just ocming off of that shoulder surgery, he'll start looking like the miller we all know as soon as they start using him right. But of course, it's the Dolphins, when do they ever use or get talent right.

Calvin.....not sure how you have all this time to write the novels you do. I do not read them....too long.

Seems to me I remember a Shannon coached team that escaped losing to Duke with a late interception and they won by only 7 points..Calvin's memory is selective and deficient to say the least, no one reads all that crap. Calvin is on this board because he wore out his welcome at several others, lol.

Actually that was Cokers last year in 2006 and the U won 20-15, although Shannons team did allow Duke 31 at home and lost 49-31, so enough said about Golden's teams and the number of points they put up, wasn't it Shannon's team that lost the last game in the OB by 48 points, sure his team would never allow that many points, lol

FSU 45 UM 17, Shannon's team, no... they didn't give up that many points, really?, lol

2007
Sat, Sep 29 Duke W 24-14
2008
Sat, Oct 18 at Duke W 49-31
2009
Sat, Nov 21 Duke W 34-16
2010
Sat, Oct 16 at Duke W 28-13
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Ok, what year was that again. Some people like to speculate, never while shannon was the headcoach did we only beat duke by 7 points. But if a headcoach got left with kyle & 1 for 14/15 kirby free. It's not even close who was the better headcoach when you compare the o-lines shannon started off with in 2007 and 2008 & 2009 compared to the o-lines shannon left goldie.

When you compare the wide receivers shannon left goldie to the widereceivers shannon had, qb's shannon left and the qb's shannon acquired. shannon was left with glenn cook and romeo davis and alot of other mis-fits on defense and still had them playing way better defense than this trash we're seeing today. goldie needs to step his game up, point blank. He came in trying to identify problems, so he said he was surprised at how out of shape the team was in, well guess what, the out of shape team played way better defense than this in shape team.

shannon became a victim of his own success/process. As soon as the guys from the west came in, the expectations took off and wrongfully so, shannon won more games with nix & yahoo nipple as his oc's than they should have. shannon was 1 oc away from having people scared to play us again and only a couple of defensive guys from starting to ball better on defense again.

Hey Canetillidie, 5>3>2, Championship, Tallycane, Killercane, corpus.

We have got our 'U' and Happy New Year guys.

Canetillidie "we got what we got". Good to see you post bro.

Our 'Canes are coming and taking over the Coastal on our way to the top 25, so strap in and hold on tight, the process is underway.
Good 2013.
Go 'Canes Always

CALVIN=============ENOUGH ALREADY.

Go find another Board.....PLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEAAAASSEEEEE...

Go 'Canes Always

2013!!!!!!

LETS GET'EM CANES!!!!!

EVERYTHING COMES TOGETHER, CONTROL OF THE COASTAL, ACC CHAMPIONSHIP AND A QUALITY BCS BOWL!

GREAT WORK GOLDEN & CO!

GO CANES ALL DAY EVERYDAY!!!!!

Quit sac ridin my post, if you don't like em, skip em, otherwise quit crying like goldie over what he thinks was a tuff schedule. If he wants to be considered a Ture Hurricane, he'll embrace an even tuffer schedule, who wouldn't get excited about that schedule we had in 2009, just gave us a chance to run the guantlet. Get rid of your feminine ways fo real, and stop worrying about what i post, that's ghey.

Some NFL teams pay up to $5700.00 per week to practice squads players, most pay $4500.00 per week..that either $273k to $216k, then if the team call you up from practice squad, that swell to at least $390k a year, so take these amounts into consideration, and it waay more than what the average college graduate would make unless you are a Doctor, Lawyer, or your uncle owns the company. And with the above salarys, you can easily help out your mom or dad or siblings with a few bills here and there! Or even some plane tickets! So what there may be 45 men on your team making more money,,its still more than a 8-5 will pay you,,and these kids still dont have any student loans to payback, and they probably go get an apartment and used Mercedes, and stil have plenty of left-over.

Calvin,
How anyone can think Randy Shannon was a good head coach at UM & deserves another HC job is ludicrous!Are you a member of his family or just hate Golden!Shannon micro managed stuff that didn't matter (names off the jerseys)yet couldnt or wouldnt make important contacts in the high school community! Not to mention he was here , both as DC & HC when the Shapiro thing was going on. He hasnt even gotten a DC offer , let alone HC offer! Maybe learn a little RE football! He was a LAZY recruiter , a bad DC and was in over his head ! I don't know who can get the job done at UM now but I know Randy Shannon was attrocious!


Some NFL teams pay up to $5700.00 per week to practice squads players, most pay $4500.00 per week..that either $273k to $216k, then if the team call you up from practice squad, that swell to at least $390k a year, so take these amounts into consideration, and it waay more than what the average college graduate would make unless you are a Doctor, Lawyer, or your uncle owns the company. And with the above salarys, you can easily help out your mom or dad or siblings with a few bills here and there! Or even some plane tickets! So what there may be 45 men on your team making more money,,its still more than a 8-5 will pay you,,and these kids still dont have any student loans to payback, and they probably go get an apartment and used Mercedes, and stil have plenty of left-over.

Posted by: Al | December 26, 2012 at 11:17 AM
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Their jealousy will continue to blind them to the facts, all of these guys put themselved in a better position irregardless of how much they're making. They can all afford now the same laptop thomas finnie had. Alot of people wouldn't mind making $5700 a week. Don't worry al, they'll tell you how them coming back one more year would've earned them more money, like it did for ray ray and vaughn telemaque, that only applies to proven staffs.


Calvin,
How anyone can think Randy Shannon was a good head coach at UM & deserves another HC job is ludicrous!Are you a member of his family or just hate Golden!Shannon micro managed stuff that didn't matter (names off the jerseys)yet couldnt or wouldnt make important contacts in the high school community! Not to mention he was here , both as DC & HC when the Shapiro thing was going on. He hasnt even gotten a DC offer , let alone HC offer! Maybe learn a little RE football! He was a LAZY recruiter , a bad DC and was in over his head ! I don't know who can get the job done at UM now but I know Randy Shannon was attrocious!

Posted by: gary | December 26, 2012 at 12:52 PM
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You gotta do a lil more research, shannon ahd several d-co offers, it's just that none of the schools wanted to pay the shannon the amount of money he would've lost had he took a job offer before UM finished paying him. Once the contract he had with UM was free and clear, than it was easy for him to get a job, it was just to late for him to get a d-co job, you'll see, he'll be a d-co again, won't be long, plus shannon is content, he could careless about the spot light. Also, you're right, shannon was here during that time, but shannon was the one that who kept running nevin off and trying to protect UM, so if anything, they owe him just off that alone.

If it wasn't for shannon, more violations would've taken place, that's the main reason he sent coach hurtt packing. As far as micro managing, yeah, he did, but that was all apart of him being a new first time coach, but most coaches have flaws. If you're saying shannon was a bad dc, than you don't know football. When shannon was the d-co, our defenses consistently were in the top 10, so what do you call a guy who's unit is ranked 117th than, are you going to do like everybody else and blame shannon for that too, get real.

I like goldie, but goldie is starting to get on my nerves with his crying about the schedule and his constant defense and support of his boy oach OH-NO with the worst defense in UM history. The facts are, goldie has basically the same record as shannon had with better talent and a weaker schedule, the facts tell you what shannon got left with.

Calvin you defending Shannon sounds like a girl defending someone who jilted her..

Get over it..

Shannon will always be a 'Cane, but was in WAY over his head in dealing with players, Alumni, and recruits..

Great guy but never had a clue in communication and People skills...ask any fan of the 'U' and they will concur.

So back off and stop being so girlish in your trilogies.

As I said the Shannon era has pased and the Golden era has begun and continues to bring us back to relevancy in the BCS.

Stop whining..and by the way, the violations that occured whether he knew it or not occured on his watch, with his players.

Still I will always respect Shannon for his contributions to the 'U'.
So quit you bitchin' like a girl, and stand up like a man. Don't twist facts around your ideas.
Face the facts and stop whimpering.
Go 'Canes Always

Calvin, I obviously didn't read any of your dissertation and have no idea what you're talking about specifically but I do suggest that you get a life.

Cheers!

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