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Former Hurricane hoops star Dequan Jones takes shot at NCAA after Manziel ruling

Heisman Trophy winner Johnny Manziel got a half's worth of a suspension handed down to him Wednesday, an agreement Texas A&M and the NCAA reached because the star quarterback violated NCAA bylaw 12.5.2.1 by signing autographs.

Manziel will sit out the first half of the Aggies' opener against Rice Saturday, a mere slap on the wrist even though Manziel is accused of actually selling his signature to memorabilia dealers.

Not everyone seemed happy for Manziel -- including former Hurricanes basketball star Dequan Jones.

Jones was forced to sit out 11 games his senior year as part of the Nevin Shapiro booster investigation. Shapiro claimed that former UM assistant Jake Morton asked Shapiro for $10,000 to secure Jones, then a recruit. Jones was allowed to return to action after the NCAA couldn’t find evidence against him.

Jones, now in his second year with the Orlando Magic, took to Twitter to express his thoughts on how how quickly the Manziel mess was worked out.

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Either you stand for nothing.or fight for what you think is right regardless of the outcome. Nevin has no credibility and information was collected illegally regardless of how much. The NCAA and the Lawyer broke the Law. Remember David slew Goliath.

Either you stand for nothing.or fight for what you think is right regardless of the outcome. Nevin has no credibility and information was collected illegally regardless of how much. The NCAA and the Lawyer broke the Law. Remember David slew Goliath.

Either you stand for nothing.or fight for what you think is right regardless of the outcome. Nevin has no credibility and information was collected illegally regardless of how much. The NCAA and the Lawyer broke the Law. Remember David slew Goliath.

So WGT, you are suggesting that if we accused the WHOLE Texas A&M team of signing autographs, that they MIGHT take more than 20 minutes to come back with a half game suspension?

I respectfully disagree. The "investigative arm" of the NCAA warned the school and player beforehand, interviewed one person, for supposedly 6 hours (3 of which were him signing autographs for them, I bet), took his word for it, ignored the evidence in news articles, and rewarded his lying with a chance for him to come on the field to a solo standing ovation in the second half of the Rice game.

This same "investigative arm" of the NCAA went behind the back of the Miami Hurricanes, hired a criminal attorney BEFORE even telling the University of Miami they were investigating, trusted the word of a professional liar, then took that liar's resulting news article as fact, and then started digging into every facet of the school, for 18 months, while players were prematurely suspended, bowls were prematurely skipped, and they leaked out threats of the death penaly to the press to scare off recruits.

Both cases were about one man, but one man had an axe to GRIND, the other had an axe to HIDE, and in both cases the NCAA were willing and gullible gofers for that one person's agenda.

Wgt...ncaa is a business. They can sue for unfair business practices.Florida has a law for this and they technically are doing business in Florida.pretty much an open and shut case.
Posted by: good criminals get gaintor time on their punishment | August 29, 2013 at 09:17

You have to be the dumbest "fan" on earth. You're opinion is so naive that explaining what an imbecile you are would be futile.

money bottom line. Texas A&M Alabama rematch is worth billions with JF zero without him. No one is complaining about the rescended discipinary actins of some florida players so they can play against Miami. Dude was arrested twice in less than two months but allowed to play in the Miami game. Where is the lack of institutional oversight on that. These reasons are why Aaron Hernandez is sitting awaiting prison. they cared more about revenue than his direction in life. What coach quits a dynasty era just like that cold turkey no pro job, just gone. Urban Meyer did cause trouble was brewing. trouble follows him, look at all the troubled players at ohio state this season. Get out before you get caught up. Hernandez will blast him on trial. They knew, they all knew. He didn't just start PCP he's had a habit for a while. We can't blame the NCAA totally we have to stop these high powered institution as well, because they're the ones getting away with the money. Miami is feared has been feared and will always be feared, because football is prevalant down here from a very young age. You can say its DNA structured.

"You have to be the dumbest "fan" on earth. You're opinion is so naive that explaining what an imbecile you are would be futile."

Posted by: We's ain't done nuthin | August 29, 2013 at 09:42 AM

You can't spell "your", you even go to UF?

We's??? I will have to look that one up. It would be futile because U cant do it moron.

GREAT posting going on WGT, canesallnight, Five Titles, and canes4ever!!!!

Things are coming full circle for Us and this Johnny Manziel situation is helping. I feel WGT because we did sign up to be under the NCAA's corrupt jurisdiction, and thus when U consort, you will eventually get hurt. My question is why do they hate Us (UM) especially (more than others)? Our Board of Trustees and administrators are elites (just like the SEC's and NCAA's officials) as are every organization or corporations, so what is it about Us, that made and continues to make Us their target?

http://www.ncaa.org/

Want to see a classic example of sweeping a situation under the rug? Biggest story of the day in the world of the NCAA, and the HOME PAGE for the NCAA says not a PEEP.

I wonder if Miami will get that same treatment.

500 yards of offense for the Turds? Funny!! It normayy takes you 4 or 5 weeks to even get going. Why don't you worry about beating Toledo first.

WERE THE GATORS....WE DONT NEED A SPRING FOOTBALL GAME!!

Due to an inadvertent violation regarding the signing of certain autographs, Texas A&M declared Manziel ineligible for one half of a preseason game.

Inadvertent? The pen accidentally fell into his hand? It accidentally moved in the motions of his signature, OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN?

Nah, he knew that he was signing multiple autographs for multiple brokers, that is not INADVERTENT. That is an intentional violation of the NCAA rules.

From an ESPN article that I expect will soon be taken down:
"The broker said the videos, approximately nine minutes in length in total, were initially shot only to be used as proof with authenticating company PSA/DNA.

On the videos, which the broker said were recorded without Manziel's knowledge, ESPN heard Manziel say "you never did a signing with me" and that if the broker were to tell anyone, he would refuse to deal with him again in the future. Manziel, who appeared comfortable throughout the video recordings, also said if asked, he would say he had simply been approached by various autograph seekers.

At one point, ESPN heard a broker ask Manziel if he would take additional cash to sign with special inscriptions, but Manziel declined, indicating he had done that before and it led to questions. The video does not show Manziel accepting cash, which the broker alleges happened three times. The broker told ESPN that Manziel said he wanted money for new rims for his vehicle."

How tough is it for the NCAA to watch a VIDEO, or to look at his car and see the new RIMS, or to see that he already planned on LYING to them if caught? I guess tougher than viewing hundreds of forged receipts and taking them as proof of a school-wide conspiracy.

Johnny Sharpie "also said if asked, he would say he had simply been approached by various autograph seekers."

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/0805/espn_manziel_d1_600.jpg

Approached to sign a stack of over ten photos in a hotel room? And based on the number of items on EBay, this occurred over 1000 times?

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/umiami/2013/08/former-hurricane-hoops-star-dequan-jones-takes-shot-at-ncaa-after-manziel-ruling/comments/page/2/#comments#storylink=cpy

WGT:
How and to whom does the NCAA explain surreptitious behavior in gathering evidence against the 'U'?.

Does a SELF investigation negate their culpability?.
I think not.

There has to be a lot of trepidation on their part because whatever the result, they LOSE.
Delay is putting off the inevitable.

The Court of Law scenario does not play out, because one of the parties involved broke the law in gathering evidence which opens that party up to litigation on an individual basis from the aggrieved parties.
This is a totally different scenario to any punishment for prior infractions.

The three strike rule does NOT apply.

Your argument therefore trying to be logical does not compute, because the NCAA is also considering their position in the FALLOUT from this and are looking at the publicity angle to do what is best for them.

Their take is:
To HE** with Miami, they are covering their A**, and trying to secure their jobs and positions.

That is the reality we are faced with.
A PR dilemma for them not the 'U'.
Go 'Canes

wgt, another Independent Thinker. The problem with UM and coach goldie coming in was his naiveness saying "just be honest with them"! It's easy for the guy that has nothing to lose and know he hasn't been apart of a shady situation to come in and say that. I get tired of hearing coach goldie say "we've been transparent and a partner with the nc2a in this and have handled it with class" man STFU with that naiveness, he doesn't understand, there is a reason the civil war took place, them northerners just don't understand how them good ole boys work.

Coach goldie giving those guys the guidance he did falls right in line with his personality, just like before this season how "he hopes" we'll be able to play defense and since this whole investigation has taken place the guidance he has been giving is based the fact that "he hopes" being honest with the devil is going to lead to lesser punishment, lol.

Reminds me of this old joke by d.g. he said, somebody asked him the other what did he think about bob hope, he said, man, i thought he was dead about 20 years ago. Than he said the whole family of bob hope should kiss jesse jackson's feet, cause for 20 years, jesse has been hollering "keep hope alive, keep hope alive"!


Lady Calvina,

Keep digging ditches. You can't spell and you're not at all funny.

That wasn't funny, try this one:

Why did the chicken cross the road?


He was afraid to play LSU.

Let us know the next time the UFirstdegreemurder Gatr Trash travels out of state to play an OOC.

Waiting....waiting....waiting....waiting...nope, just check the schedules for the next 8 years and zero. Nada. No OOC out of State.

You were saying about the chicken, gatr maggot?

Yellow, no rational major football school plays one off games on essentially the other guy's turf. You'd be dumb enough to do it, but it's a bad business decision and shows why you aren't in charge.

Home and away is fine. Your gayturds could start with 1 of those.

Oh and yellow, if you ever get a day job, don't give it up.

FWIW, Calvin is right about one thing (not saying he ISN'T right on others, just commenting on this one), That Miami was blatently honest with a group of investigators that were not honest back to them. If Golden had pulled them aside and said "Deny, Evade, and Forget", the way we saw other schools (UNC, OSU, Oregon, TAMU, MSU, Auburn, UT) successfully do, while a school that admitted to everything and even added their own evidence to the pile (PSU, Miami) gets hammered, then we likely would get less in sanctions than we have already self-imposed.

And when the NCAA tries to screw us one MORE time, NO coach or school in America will EVER cooperate with those witchhunters again.

I wonder if Leach, who had already faced their onslaught before, might have been a little more, say, defensive of the NCAAs inquiries. Not saying he would have been the better coach, just that he would have been more, umm, "truthful" in the Johnny Sharpie manner.

Calvin learn sentence structure.

If someone says anything negative in referenc to CG you are all in. (Figures)

Your shady ghetto moves would certainly get over on the NCAA (RRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTEEEEEEEEEE).

Honesty is not in your vocabulary, so anything that was straight up done by the 'Canes in your book showed weakness... (Nothing wrong in stealing a computer or passing out stoned on stairs with dope in your pocket)


You sound more like your tight buddy Shapiro every time you put your burger fingers on the keyboard.

This S*** happened on your boy shannons's watch, and CG was left to clean up this mess, so HOLD your comedy routine, and there you go again black vs white.
Seems to be a pattern with you, and blatant too.
Mountain cane is right you have nothing there.

Go 'Canes

It happened on Shannon's watch but it is well documented that Shannon did not want the smurf around the program or the players....it's not a picture of Shannon holding a check at the bowling alley

Golden did the right thing by making those guilty fess up. He had no knowledge and was correct to stay out of that mess. How would he look if he'd gotten caught up in it. It would have really been lack of controll. I think TAMU should get a lack of controll swipe for failing to monitor over 3,000 autographs most of which are on video. But justice is not just for all remember that. Best thing about this is Johnny Football is not through stay tuned for his finale. Slaps on the wrist almost always result in the I can get away with anything syndrome. He will make the NCAA and TAMU look like crap just like Mr. Hernandez. Maybe not to that magnitude but he will headlined again negatively. The NCAA got information from Yahoo against Miami, but failed to get information from ESPN against Manziel. Those videos were no played and replayed like the Miami story. Even more so nothing has been proven against Miami outside of those suspended, Tyrone Moss and Kyle Wright. Those were the only ones that self incriminated themselves. If you don't talk we'll believe Shapiro. Sounds like a violation of the 5th admendment on being free of inciminating ones self.

Someone asked why Miami was hated. Coach Schnell took the poorest kids, those who may have never attended a major university if not for him and beat the brakes off the most prestigious colleges and universities. On top of insult to injury they did their dance, talk their trash and more important they kept on winning. There were great black athelets, but not at the abundance that Miami had access to. Now you see that every major program is in our back yard mining for gold. That's why they hate the U!. Can't beat it destroy it the american way.

I believe that the Manziel ruling means they will not announce the Hurricanes sanctions this week. The embarrassment of having one ruling come so soft and so quick and another so tough and so delayed in the same week would be too difficult for even the most supportive NCAA apologists to explain away.


he doesn't understand, there is a reason the civil war took place, them northerners just don't understand how " them good ole boys work. "


Posted by: Calvin | August 29, 2013 at 12:24 PM
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am SERIOUSLY lmfao!

Calvin NEVER ceases to amaze me. hUh


This S*** happened on your boy shannons's watch, and CG was left to clean up this mess, Go 'Canes

Posted by: UGoCane | August 29, 2013 at 01:21 PM

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Bloody WRONG again, bUbba.

The investigation by the prestigious N.C.A.A. goes back to circa 2001. hUh

By the way, ALL the minor, trivial Shenanigans happened while Randy Shannon was in upscale Coral Gables.

Matter of fact, Shannon gave his players a very, very, very STERN WARNING, and told his players to AVOID the now CON-victed, Flim Flam dude. hUh

Chit, even when Randy Shannon was Miami's defensive coordinator, he NEVER TRUSTED the short CON-victed, Flim Flam dude.


Someone asked why Miami was hated. Coach Schnell took the poorest kids, those who may have never attended a major university if not for him and beat the brakes off the most prestigious colleges and universities. On top of insult to injury they did their dance, talk their trash and more important they kept on winning. There were great black athelets, but not at the abundance that Miami had access to. Now you see that every major program is in our back yard mining for gold. That's why they hate the U!. Can't beat it destroy it the american way.

Posted by: cane4ever | August 29, 2013 at 02:51 PM


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Voila!

Another major college football program akin to the Hurricanes is the Oklahoma Sooners. Especially under Coach Barry Switzer.

Albeit Boomer Sooner was NOT feared and hated to the degree Miami was during the Hurricane's ZENITH.

Chit, under Switzer players were wearing white shoes, and had the HUGE AFRO's and what not.

Heck, it was Switzer and his OU players whom INTRODUCED the " Do-Wrap " to the rest of major college football.

By the way, the DO-WRAP was brought back from Southeast Asia, and Switzer's player's just happen to bring a FASHION STATEMENT to mainstream Americana telly sets and what not. Eh. What say.

Sure nough' there's one thing which the vast majority of major college football fandom, and the prestigious N.C.A.A. can't stand.

A winning, UPPITY college football program akin to Miami!

That's why I always cherish the thought, that Ali and the Hurricane football program were/are Twin-souls from an expanding Universe far, far, away. hUh

Great reading all this nostalgia stuff and past history of years gone by, decades actually , it is so feel good and warm. But what does that have to do with Alverage Golden and the 2013 squad? Does it help in any way with No D Onofrio and the #116 gang? Don't think so. But the canes are back this year right? Right.

Thanks canes4ever, for bringing that full circle when others want to "Evade, Deny, and Forget." The hypocrisy just flows thru some people's blood. We have fans that are or at least want to be (even worst) just like the NCAA snob-wise. They're trying to find distance between themselves and the NCAA's philosophies, but the only true difference is that the NCAA is---and they want to be.

UGoCanes, the ole call Cal a racist and then immediately go on a stereotype-themed and ill-informed rant since the coast is clear, routine is getting tired. Google Randy Shannon and the NCAA investigation. Its more than documented and has been reported by Yahoo Sports (our biggest antagonist) themselves--that Shannon was the cleanest person on campus when it came to interactions with Shapiro, even Shapiro admitted that RS hated him from before he was coach and told players and the administration to stay away from him.

Just Saying,

All the coaches at Miami were average its the players that makes the coach. Today's players are good no doubt but until they come together coach Golden isn't going to reap the benefits of the old school coaches. The winning teams had fire, you gives us a penalty we'll keep knocking folks out the game, we'll keeping scoring and talking trash. Nowadays the flags come if they give each other dap all to curb Miami's swagg. Teams couldn't out run, muscle or compete with Miami so the rest of college football complain about the celebrating and that my friend was what to the fire out of the U, demoralinzing the kids for having fun, because their kids were being punished. No one looked at these teams being out played all they saw was Randall Thrill Hill's six guns in Texas, Ray Lewis' dance, a Shawn Taylor stare down after an expolsion (big hit) and the helemts coming off after a big play. Now every team except Miami can celebrate without penalty. Until these guys play with fire and passion of old no coach coming in will be seen the light of the coaches of old. A coach can not do it all the players have to bring something to the table. Like refusing to be anything but the best, the most feared and work the hail to achieve that.

Posted by: D | August 29, 2013 at 03:50 PM

STOP TALKING YOU INSANE STROKE VICTIM.

Coach D,

He's will never take one snap at Miami or anywhere for that matter. You can lead a horse to the water , but you cant make it drink. Some things have to come into its own. And that's what the staff is trying to instill into these guys. That's why you see the constant change of the depth chart, a reminder that you cant take a day off from work, you have to keep pushing through it. How many of us go into work sick if we can bare it. Those who sneeze once call out, thats what this staff is teaching. You may be down but certainly not out, push yourself and you'll find that you can endure more than you think. When they quit and lay down everyone jumps the coaching. Most of these kids where the program in highschool and that has to be worked out of them, Johnson, Paul, Carter were all victims of I can do as I want. Coley is good no doubt, him being over Carter should have been a light bulb for Carter hey I need to tighten up, but he folded. That's what the ailment that the staff is trying to get rid off. Coach D will be alright when the players work together. One loose bolt totally the entire operation. Food for Thought

From Johnny Football to Johnny One Half . What a disgrace to his institution the NCAA and college football in general. Add a " 1 and a / " to his jersey. A & M can make more money selling Johnny's new jersey with his new number "1/2".

One loose bolt totally the entire operation. Food for Thought

Posted by: cane4ever | August 29, 2013 at 05:01 PM
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And that's the problem with the 3-4, if you got 11 guys on the field and if one guy is out of place and the consequence is the whole defense is goes down, that's not a defensive scheme i'm running. The 4-3 covers itself at a minimum, 2 times.

From Johnny Football to Johnny One Half . What a disgrace to his institution the NCAA and college football in general. Add a " 1 and a / " to his jersey. A & M can make more money selling Johnny's new jersey with his new number "1/2".

Posted by: RedCane | August 29, 2013 at 05:29 PM
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Man, you must not know how long a whole football half is, imagine having to sit there for the 1st & 2nd quarter and than the halftime speech and than only getting in at the start of the 3rd quarter. Do you know how embarrassing it is to go into the locker room with a clean jersey, the psychology behind having to go around the team wit ha clean jersey you not doing nothing. Now these hard lessons, that'll teach ole johnny about signing with the money hand again.

With spread offenses, more than 1/2 the nfl using the 3-4 as their base defense and the 4-3 guys using the 3-4 much of the time. But, Lady Calvina wouldn't run it so they're all dumb???

Miami 38
Gators 16.

Let the celebration begin. Gators can start looking toward recruiting and not suspending people again.

Hey NCAA, bite this mules. You suck at life.

Well, it's a given that the first of four A.C.C. squads are going to lose to a few S.E.C. teams. Eh. What say.

Gamecocks strike first, and will eventually COVER the line. hUh

Seeing that F.A.U. is on the smallish side on the D-line. The Hurricanes need to follow the Gamecock formula, and run, run, run and run some more.


Miami 45

F.A.U. 10

Over/Under opens as - 58

However, HEAVY action drops over/under to it's current... - 53 1/2

Wise Guys know that F.A.U. has an atrocious offense, which will naturally favor Miami's defense.

Hurricanes 45

Owls 10

The Hurricanes just don't have the big bruiser RB this season.

The Gamecocks have some BIGGIN' running backs. hUh

Only time will tell if Miami deploys THE DUKE properly and what not. hUh

290 yards is the Over/Under total for the MIGHTY Hoot, Hoot Owls.

Cane the Canes D-unit hold them under the total.

Find out in 25 hours. hUh

Bon jour et Bonsoir

Calvin you moron.
Coming in at half time with a clean jersey is psychological pain??
Everyone associated with A&M is doing back flips celebrating this decision.
What UM has with stood "IS" psychological pain and the indignity thrust upon them by a botched NCAA investigation. Their star witness is a convicted con artist who conned the NCAA as he did UM and thousand of successful people out of 900 million dollars.
Two and a half year later, after self imposed sanctions, lost of millions in revenue and losing out on top recruits due to the uncertainties, we still don't have a clue as to when a dicision will come down.
Now little Johnnny is suppose to learn life's lessons by missing one half of football on a game that they are supposed to slaughter the opposition??


I like how some corn-ball says i'm shady and than proceeds to lie on coach shannon, amazing how myopic alot of people are in here, it's comical tho!

Calvin you moron.
Coming in at half time with a clean jersey is psychological pain??
Everyone associated with A&M is doing back flips celebrating this decision.
What UM has with stood "IS" psychological pain and the indignity thrust upon them by a botched NCAA investigation. Their star witness is a convicted con artist who conned the NCAA as he did UM and thousand of successful people out of 900 million dollars.
Two and a half year later, after self imposed sanctions, lost of millions in revenue and losing out on top recruits due to the uncertainties, we still don't have a clue as to when a dicision will come down.
Now little Johnnny is suppose to learn life's lessons by missing one half of football on a game that they are supposed to slaughter the opposition??


Posted by: RedCane | August 29, 2013 at 06:38 PM
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Oh my bad, is that what happened at UM?

290 yards is the Over/Under total for the MIGHTY Hoot, Hoot Owls.

Cane the Canes D-unit hold them under the total.

Find out in 25 hours. hUh

Bon jour et Bonsoir

Posted by: D | August 29, 2013 at 06:30 PM
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ROFL, this man hiya off the chain!

The Hurricanes just don't have the big bruiser RB this season.

The Gamecocks have some BIGGIN' running backs. hUh

Only time will tell if Miami deploys THE DUKE properly and what not. hUh

Posted by: D | August 29, 2013 at 06:28 PM
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They say danny dillard quit, oh no that's right he got kicked off, it was jontavious carter they said that quit, oh no that's right he got kicked off too it tunrs out!

canes4ever, I'm not feeling that last post because it doesn't encompass any accountability from the leaders of the team. Coaches are even more important than bolts. Coaches are the computers systems or brains. Why can't they be that loose bolt. Every leader on every level, needs to be challenged, not "yes men"--yes men lead to making leaders unsuccessful. If yall wanted our team to be successful, yall wouldn't taske on these *assumptions* that if a kid left, then he quick. Why/How do U think that assumption makes U a loyal Canes fan or even makes the team better.

Why don't yall see the irony of the NCAA vs UM situation and how the same mind state of giving in to and alluding accountability with those in power, influence, leadership roles, only makes them brazen, haughty, arrogant, and inadequate in performing their job duties. This blind allegiance doesn't help our team, it hurts it.

Despite the game film and beliefs of thousands of Canes fans that our schemes were ineffective and inappropriate for the offensive strategies that we were being presented; you still say that Coach D will be alright when the players work together. There's visual proof that his calls were inadequate. How does your efforts to convince fans that its the players, help this team?

The Hurricanes just don't have the big bruiser RB this season.

The Gamecocks have some BIGGIN' running backs. hUh

Only time will tell if Miami deploys THE DUKE properly and what not. hUh

Posted by: D

Lucky for U, the canes don't play the cocks. But UNC has a big O line and Mr Blue is a big boy and will give U fits on D.

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