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Counting stars: A breakdown of UM-FSU on defense by talent, recruiting hype

And now for the second half of the breakdown between the Hurricanes and Seminoles.

DEFENSIVE LINE

> Miami: DE Anthony Chickillo (6-4, 277, Jr., 4-star, No. 3 DE in 2011 by Rivals); Shayon Green (6-3, 264, Sr., 3-star, No. 65 DE in 2009 by Rivals); David Gilbert (6-4, 256, Sr., 4-star, No. 12 DE in 2009 by Rivals); Ufomba Kamalu (6-6, 285, Jr., 2-star, unranked JUCO in 2013 by Rivals); Al-Quadin Muhammad (6-3, 240, Fr., 4-star, No. 3 WDE in 2013 by Rivals); Tyriq McCord (6-3, 235, So., 4-star, No. 7 WDE in 2012 by Rivals); DT Justin Renfrow (6-6, 320, Sr., 3-star, No. 43 DE in 2009 by Rivals); Olsen Pierre (6-4, 305, Jr. 3-star, unranked in 2011 by Rivals); Curtis Porter (6-1, 325, Sr. 3-star, No. 54 DT in 2009 by Rivals); Luther Robinson (6-3, 296, r-Sr., 4-star, No. 18 DT in 2009 by Rivals).

> FSU: DE Eddie Goldman (6-4, 303, So., 5-star, No. 2 DT in 2012 by Rivals); Mario Edwards (Jr., 6-3, 277, So., 5-star, No. 1 DT in 2012 by Rivals); Chris Casher (6-4, 260, R-Fr., 4-star, No. 4 WDE in 2012 by Rivals); Demonte McAllister (6-2, 290, r-Sr., 4-star, No. 4 SDE in 2009 by Rivals). DT Nile Lawrence-Stample (6-1, 305, r-So., 4-star, No. 29 DT in 2011 by Rivals); NG Timmy Jernigan (6-2, 296, Jr., 4-star, No. 2 DT in 2011 by Rivals); Jacobbi McDaniel (6-0, 295, R-Sr., 5-star, No. 2 DT in 2009 by Rivals); Desmond Hollin (6-3, 270, Jr., 3-star, unranked JUCO in 2013 by Rivals).

> Recruiting edge: FSU. If not for the transfers of Justin Renfrow and David Gilbert for Miami, the talent gap here would be much wider than it already is. FSU has three 5-star recruits in its defensive line rotation and three highly-touted 4-stars that were top five at their respective positions. UM doesn't have any 5-star recruits on the d-line and only two who were top five at their respect positions in Chickillo and McCord.

> What's happened: That all being said, UM's front is vastly improved from a year ago. UM ranks 39th in run defense (141.7 yards per game) has tallied 22 sacks (the Canes had 13 all of last season). FSU's run defense ranks 29th (135.7 yards per game) and the Seminoles have produced 17 sacks with only five coming from their linemen. All that being said, Jernigan is the highest-rated NFL prospect of all the current draft-eligible defensive linemen in this game. ESPN ranks him second among DTs. CBS Sports rates him sixth best among and a potential second rounder. McAllister is next at 11th among DTs according to ESPN.

> Real edge: FSU, but not as widely as people think. For all the hype FSU's linemen got out of high school, only Jernigan has been a consistent force up front. Miami does its work collectively, but still gets the majority of its pass rush from third-down specialists like McCord and not enough from its starters. FSU has produced 19 quarterback hurries this season and only allowed five. UM has produced 13 QB hurries and allowed 17.

LINEBACKERS

> Miami: MLB Jimmy Gaines (6-3, 240, Sr., 2-star, unranked in 2010 by Rivals); Raphael Kirby (6-0, 235, So., 4-star, No. 5 OLB in 2012 by Rivals); OLB Tyrone Cornelius (6-2, 225, Sr., 3-star, No. 38 OLB in 2010 by Rivals); Denzel Perryman (6-0, 240, Jr., 3-star, No. 25 ILB in 2011 by Rivals); Alex Figueroa (6-3, 235, Fr., No stars, no ranking in 2012 by Rivals; Thurston Armbrister (6-3, 233, Jr., No stars, no ranking in 2011 by Rivals)

> FSU: MLB Terrance Smith (6-4, 215, R-So., 3-star, No. 18 OLB in 2011 by Rivals); OLB Christian Jones (6-4, 235, Sr., 5-star, No. 2 OLB in 2010 by Rivals); Telvin Smith (6-3, 218, Sr., 4-star, No. 18 OLB in 2010 by Rivals); Reggie Northrup (6-1, 220, So., 4-star, No. 30 OLB in 2012 by Rivals); Dan Hicks (6-4, 260, R-Sr., 2-star, unranked in 2009 by Rivals); Ukeme Eligwe (6-2, 240, R-Fr., 4-star, No. 2 OLB in 2012 by Rivals).

> Recruiting edge: FSU. It's almost puzzling how Miami has managed to survive at linebacker considering the of lack of talent recruited for the position. Gaines, recruited by former assistant John Lovett, had only a couple other offers (Buffalo, UConn and Syracuse). Figueroa didn't have any offers and Armbrister, a converted safety, was a late addition by Golden.

> What's happened: Gaines has developed into a lot more than anyone really expected, tallying 158 tackles in 21 career starts. Perryman, the only Butkus semifinalist in the ACC, has blossomed into UM's best defensive player despite being thrown into the fire right away as an undersized freshman. CBSSports rates him as the eighth-best draft-eligible outside linebacker and a potential second or third round pick in April. FSU's Jones, meanwhile, sits atop the board as the top projected inside linebacker by CBSSports and a second round pick. Teammate Telvin Smith ranks 12th among outside linebackers and a potential fourth rounder.

> Real edge: FSU. Jones (33 tackles, 4.5 TFL, 2 sacks) and Smith (49 tackles, 5 TFL, 1 INT, 1 sack) are elite players. UM has one in Perryman and a couple overachievers. It should be noted by the way Jones plays a lot of defensive end, too and told reporters in Tallahassee this week he sees himself as a defensive end now.

SECONDARY

> Miami: CB Tracy Howard (5-11, 184, So., 5-star, No. 1 CB in 2012 by Rivals); Ladarius Gunter (6-2, 196, Jr., 3-star, unranked JUCO in 2012); Antonio Crawford (5-11, 187, So., 3-star, unranked CB by Rivals); Artie Burns (6-0, 190, Fr., 4-star, No. 15 CB in 2013 by Rivals); S Kacy Rodgers (6-2, 212, Sr., 3-star, No. 37 CB in 2010 by Rivals); Rayshawn Jenkins (6-1, 208, So., 3-star, No. 32 S in 2012 by Rivals); Deon Bush (6-1, 203, So., 4-star, No. 6 S in 2012 by Rivals); AJ Highsmith (6-0, 208, Sr., 3-star, unranked ATH in 2009 by Rivals).

> FSU: CB Lamarcus Joyner (5-8, 190, Sr. 5-star, No. 1 CB in 2010 by Rivals); P.J. Williams (6-0, 190, So., 4-star, No. 9 S in 2012 by Rivals); Ronald Darby (5-11, 190, So., 4-star, No. 2 CB in 2012 by Rivals); Nick Waisome (5-10, 176, Jr., 4-star, No. 8 CB in 2011 by Rivals); S Jalen Ramsey (6-1, 195, Fr., 5-star, No. 3 CB in 2013 by Rivals); Terrence Brooks (5-11, 200, Sr., 3-star, No. 45 CB by Rivals in 2010); Keelin Smith (6-3, 185, R-So., 3-star, No. 34 CB in 2011 by Rivals); Nate Andrews (5-11, 208, Fr., 3-star, unranked ATH in 2013 by Rivals).

> Recruiting edge: FSU. Outside of Howard, Burns and Bush, Miami's secondary is made up of mid-level talent according to recruiting gurus. While FSU has two five star recruits starting (one at corner and one at safety) and the rest of its corners are all four-star prospects.

> What's happened: FSU has allowed the fewest passing yards in the country (153.7), ranks fifth in passing efficiency defense (97.34), has 29 pass breakups and 10 interceptions (two returned for touchdowns). Joyner, a player FSU took out of UM's backyard at St. Thomas Aquinas, has been dominant. He's posted 27 tackles, 1 INT, 3 sacks, 3 pass breakups and 3 forced fumbles in his senior season and is projected to be the second free safety taken in April's draft according to CBS Sports. Brooks, his teammate, has 22 tackles, 4 PBUs, 2 FF and 2 INTs. He's projected to be a third or fourth rounder. UM ranks 17th in pass defense (200.6 yards per game) 10th in passing efficiency defense) and has 22 passes broken up and 12 interceptions. Howard leads the way with three.

> Real edge: FSU. Miami, obviously a lot younger than FSU in the secondary, didn't look good against the one good pass offense it faced in North Carolina, which completed 74.4 percent of its passes for 395 yards. Tight end Eric Ebron abused Miami. FSU hasn't had a bad game yet in pass defense and held Tahj Boyd and Clemson to only 203 yards passing. Opponents are only completing passes at a 52.2 percent clip against FSU, which is also allowing only 5.2 yards per attempt.

SPECIAL TEAMS

> Miami: K Matt Goudis (6-0, 172, So., 2-star, No. 13 kicker in 2011 by Rivals); P Pat O'Donnell (6-5, 220, Gr., 2-star, unranked in 2009 by Rivals); KR/PR Stacy Coley (6-1, 180, Fr., 4-star, No. 13 WR in 2013 by Rivals); KR Duke Johnson (5-9, 196, So., 5-star, No. 1 all-purpose running back by Rivals in 2012).

> FSU: K Roberto Aguayo (6-1, 203, R-Fr., 3-star, No. 3 kicker in 2012 by Rivals); P Cason Beatty (6-3, 229, So. 2-star, unranked kicker in 2012 by Rivals); KR Lamarcus Joyner (5-8, 180, Sr., 5-star, No. 1 CB in 2010 by Rivals); KR Karlos Williams (6-1, 223, Jr., 5-star, No. 2 safety in 2011 by Rivals.com); PR Kenny Shaw (6-0, 170, Sr., 4-star, No. 14 WR in 2010 by Rivals).

> Recruiting edge: None really. But it is noteworthy Aguayo got a three-star rating. Kickers rarely do.

> What's happened: The Hurricanes lead the nation in kickoff return average thanks to Johnson (29.23 average) and Coley (1 kick return for a TD). FSU does a better job on punt returns (29th, 11.79 yard average) compared to UM (62nd, 8.09 yard average). When it comes to punting, O'Donnell (45.67 average) has saved the Hurricanes a couple times with big kicks. Beatty is averaging 40.3 yards a punt. Aguayo has converted all 58 kicks in his career (10 field goals, 48 PATs) and has a career-long of 45 yards. Goudis also hit a 45-yard field goal against Wake Forest, but has missed his last two kicks from 40 yards or more (43 and 40).

> Real edge: Even. Both teams have explosive return men and Miami has an edge with O'Donnell. But if it comes down to making a big kick Aguayo has the stronger track record.

> HERE IS A LINK TO THE COMPLETE LIST OF DRAFT ELIGIBLE PLAYERS FOR UM IN 2014

> HERE IS A LINK TO THE COMPLETE LIST OF DRAFT ELIGIBLE PLAYERS FOR FSU IN 2014

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Good one again. This is where Miami loses the game though. They have no D linemen and LBs. Sure we have one good one here and there but not consistent, which is sad based on how amazing Miami has been in the past on defense. Miami produced more Defensive NFL talent than any other program. And not just NFL talent but Top of the line, Multiple Pro bowl, Hall of fame talent. I still wonder why this recruiting class doesn't have 6 LBs and 6 D linemen who are 4 and 5 star talents. That is what would put Miami over the top but Golden doesn't seem to go after those players at those positions of NEED.

I agree with Manny on the special teams, I beleive I posted the same thing about Special teams a few days ago. And by looking at the actual talent difference rather than just their current performance, I thank Manny for not going for the knee jerk reaction of "Miami's defense is terrible".

Nice to hear we have some overachievers on that list, too.

Christian Jones is a bust what r u saying..... Jimmy Gaines and Thurston Armbrister are better then he is.

Denzel Perryman is better then Telvin Smith and Miamis LB depth is more productive then FSU's.

This will be Golden's 4th recruiting cycle and we're at #7 in the country, but need two more to compete for a NC?

Posted by: HarrietTubmanCane

No Curse Dummy...wrong again!!

Coach Golden's first recruiting cycle was only a few short months versus a year. ALL of his 2 1/2 recruiting cycles were accompanied with a brutal NCAA investigation where the threat of the death penalty hung over the program and self imposed sanctions.

All of the programs recruiting against Coach Golden were pointing out the NCAA investigation and claiming Miami would not be playing in bowl games for many years, if ever! Many outright lied as what the final outcome would be concerning sanctions.

AL GOLDEN IS THE BEST COACH IN ALL OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL!!

DmacUM09: Agreed: It's not purely "Goldy. The DC is clueless with respect to schemes and how to use players. My thinking is take what U got and use it the right way and that philosophy within itself can carry a team a long way.

But not w/ this DC. I have yet to figure this DC out. Strangely, he believes all is well on D. Perryman, Green, Chic, Highsmith and Jenkins will show up. Burns needs to play more. Get this guy on the field, please.

To beat FSU, UM must unleash the WR's early in the game and keep Duke ready to break a few. Crawford has to figure into this, too. It would be smart to use the TE and the FB. I'm starting to wonder about the OC and the non-use of screens and across the middles, etc.

This will be a tough game. But those of us who have played the game know that anybody is beatable.

A 3-4 against FSU is not going to work. Unless the LB's are more than ready from jump. Gaines is a little better, but still is often out of position.

Line backer is a problem for UM. Miami needs a running game,and use the TE's as receivers, like F$U does,to match with their secondary.

STARS DONT MATTER

Michael Irvin said:

"Here is our moment"
"Here is our time"
"Here is our chance to make history"
"Wear that jersey for all who have gone before, and laid tracks for us to follow"
"Make tracks for the players coming behind us"
"Wear it for our City"

That is the kind of legacy that we have as the 'U' going in to this game with FSU.

When those uniforms are strapped on. It is the 'U' against everyone, but we hold our Legacy Close.
It is almost tangible, because it creates a feeling as a 'Cane, which is an honor and privilege to continue the tradition of so many before, who laid out sweat and tears.

That mind set says anything is possible.

Shock the World.
Go 'Canes

Cool Cat, I civilly and respectfully disagree. We need to run clock and tire their defense, while keeping our defense rested. Too many times, early in the game, Morris and/or Coley would run that quick strike offense, but in the end of the game, we won it with ball control offense.

Duke has to be our primary weapon, and Crawford our second, not the wide receivers, as long as the FSU weakness is the line and not the DBs.

Improves time of possession, improves field position, reduces Morris INTs, and uses the one area that has been successful against FSU in the past this season.

Cool cat: I agree with ya. I have never been able to understand our front 7 issues. We don't seem to go after thr top DTs in our own back yard. And yes wr have over achievers at LBs but you can rely on over achievers when the ultimate goal is National titles. The coaches seem to do a good job at recruiting DEs and DBs but miss so many times on LBs and DTs. This current class has one DT who is good. We need Moten from St. Thomas and we need to pick up 2 or 3 LB. And not 2 star LBs and hope they over achieve. It is soooo obvious those positions are lacking, yet Golden and D' No continue to miss. It is probably my only criticism of the past 3 recruiting cycles. We know what positions are lacking, Golden even admits he knows... yet we don't seem to address it. Go Canes and Happy Halloween.

Who knows how this game will unfold, but if our Canes can hang with the Noles until halftime, I like our chances. I'll take Seantrel in the 4th. Go Canes.
Posted by: CampbellvilleCane | October 31, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Have to admit, the halftime adjustments by this team have been very good lately. Took away the UNC TE in the second half, took away the Wake thrid down completions in the second half, dominated GT in the second half.

So if your scenario comes true and we are close or leading at halftime, Miami has a very good chance to win the game.

Five Titles: I'm with U: But we have to put up as many points as possible and as fast as possible. I say run some flea flickers, send Duke long, anything to keep that D off balance:

I think this games comes around to how well UM's defense plays, mostly the DL and the LB's. I actually don't have a big prob with the UM secondary. The thing is Jimbo, Winston and crew want to make a statement. Jimbo has not fully arrived yet. If Oregon loses to Stanford, Winston wins the Heisman.

Translation: If UM scores 40 points it means fatigue and demoralization will have set in on the FSU D.

UGoCane, gotta love that international brand that Miami represents.

Outside of a few diehards, nobody would recognise the Seminoles or their logo, or that other school and their logo. But that tradition, legacy, and recognition of the U, like the Notre Dame domers, the Michigan weasels, the Texas cows, and a couple other schools, crosses international borders and makes it clear that we are a team that other schools wish they could emulate.

Speaking of brand names, the Washington Redskins might be losing their moniker, and how far behind would the Seminoles be in having to lose their indian name?

They likely would want to keep a name similare to Seminoles though, just for a smoother transition.

Five years from now, would we be facing the

Florida State Serpents? (Nah, too close locally to the Rattlers)
Florida State Stingrays? (Nah, too close namewise to the Tampa Bay Rays)
Florida State Surfers? (Nah, not enough waves near Tally)
Florida State Spaniards? (Nah, not gonna jump from one group to another)

So I think it will be

Florida State Senators. State capital, sounds classy, and like Bobby Bowden in 2000, they need to lobby for votes to get anywhere.

Cool Cat, if we put up 40, we win.

After all, other than a gift TD with ten seconds left against our backups, we have not allowed more than 23 in any game this year. 40 points from our offense, and we win comfortably.

Like you said, their defense would get demoralized AND tired if we drive through them for seven or more scores like that.

The noles have the blessing to use their name from the Seminole tribe, and Dan Snyder told the NFL the other day that he his will not consider changing the name of the Redskins.

Seminoles will never lose their name. The Seminole Tribe of Florida has approved the name and has stated they view the name as a sign of respect. They have actually collaborated with the school on many of the traditions. There may be a few individual Seminole Tribe members who object, but it has the support and blessing of the tribe so it will likely stay forever. There was an article published recently (last week I believe) on this very issue comparing it to the Redskin moniker, which is no doubt a derogatory term.

Cool Cat, I don't think the flea flicker would be as effective as a halfback pass option, since we have run the flea flicker already this year. I wonder how good Duke and Crawford are at throwing the ball.

But I like the idea of some trick plays. This is definitely a game we need to open the entire playbook for. And Bobby Bowden is long gone, so the emphasis on the trick play has got to be less at FSU.

It was just a what if, not saying it is likely to happen.

Crawford is very good at throwing the ball. He actually played QB in high school. I believe he threw a TD last year (or at least attempted to) if I am not mistaken. I think Duke did as well (against the team Duke)...

Cool. I would love to see that happen. Coley should not do it early though, the defense would still be staying home on the first few plays. But it would be a great second quarter surprise.

Rk Player Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
1 Stephen Morris 245 421 58.2 3345 7.9 8.2 21 7 138.1
2 Ryan Williams 15 20 75.0 137 6.9 7.9 1 0 149.0
3 Dallas Crawford 1 2 50.0 29 14.5 14.5 0 0 171.8
4 Phillip Dorsett 2 2 100.0 26 13.0 13.0 0 0 209.2
5 Duke Johnson 1 2 50.0 8 4.0 14.0 1 0 248.6

Yep, Duke with the passing score, has the best QB rating on the team. :)

Hey Florida State!

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If UM wins the toss, do they defer? I'd rather receive, keep the defense off the field, get a 1st down or 2, hopefully on the ground. At worse flip field position.
That home crowd, if FSU gets it first will really be into the offense.
FSU has been deadly in the first quarter.

I'm afraid our OC, if UM is 7 points down will abandon the run too quickly. Every minute Winston is OFF the field is probably points saved.
UM cannot settle for 3 points, unless it's 4th and long.

I want UM to win SO badly, but truthfully, if they can keep the final score to 10 points, not including garbage points, that would keep UM's 2014 recruits in place.

IMAWriter, he did not abandon the run when down by two scores the past three weeks, no need for him to panic and drop it this time, especially since it is more effective than our passing game lately.

I agree that we should not do the usual defer that we have done in the past though, that 35-0 start they had last week was too much to overcome, even for a team like Miami that has been coming back from deficits all year.

I really want Miami to win badly too, and I believe they have a chance, but big picture we all know this team isn't quite good enough now to win a national title. If they lose a competitive game and come back the next week and beat Va.Tech, I will be happy. I would like to see this team get to the ACC Championship game and face the Noles again, where I believe they will have a better chance of beating them.

Duke had 30 carries, despite Wake doing horsecollars and facemasks to try to injure him.

Seems like he is durable enough to do another 30 against FSU.

FSU matches up well against the spread offenses like Oregon, but our tougher grind it our Pro style offense is a better version of the BC offense that gave them fits.

I like our chances, offensively.

My worries really remain on the defensive side of the ball.

HEY CANES BROTHERS:

I'VE DECIDED IT'S TIME TO LEAVE THIS BLOG.

IT'S BEEN GREAT TO CHAT WITH YOU SERIOUS CANES FANS ABOUT OUR TEAM.

BUT THE STUPIDITY FROM THESE TROLLS MAKES IT A WASTE OF TIME... Too much garbage is being put up for me to wade through to find serious discussions about the team.

TO MAKE IT WORSE: I WAS THREATENED by either Manny or Susan yesterday that my posts that GALLO, CALVIN, CANE 72 are trolls was unacceptable and i would be banned from the blog if i didn't show "RESPECT"....

YOU WHO KNOW ME KNOW I'VE BEEN ONE OF THE SERIOUS CANES FANS HERE who didn't hesitate to call out the idiots when it was necessary.

SO THE MIAMI HERALD THINKS WHAT GALLO and trolls are doing on here is perfectly OK. BUT IF I CALL THEM OUT AS TROLLS... THAT'S NOT OK.

WHICH MEANS IT"S WASTE OF TIME HERE.

I'LL FIND A REGISTRATION REQUIRED FORUM TO DISCUSS CANE FOOTBALL THAT FILTERS OUT THE IDIOTS.

THIS PLACE IS JUST A MUDPIT OF STUPIDITY...and as SWEET BROWN said "AIN'T NOBODY GOT TIME FOR THAT!!!"

PEACE BROTHERS!!!

CANE TILL I DIE!!

BATTEN THE HATCHES....STORMS COMIN' B*TCHES!!!!!

Fake message filled with hate. I write much better than that. Still haven't explained why you steal IDs and ruin good conversations on here, other than the obvious one that you like to destroy blogs for Canes fans.

FIVE TITLES:

YOU are the ROCK on this blog man! Keeping it real and solid....

But man, when this blog gets 5 posts by GALLO/CALVIN/CANE72 and other trolls, i produces about 10 responses to argue with their nonsense....

IT MAKES MY HEAD HURT to make my way past that for a few serious conversations.

There's a persistent group of trolls who are unemployed and working round the clock to f*ck this blog up. And it's succeeding.

The MIAMI HERALD doesn't care because they think all the "BLOG ACTIVITY" must be good for their website.

Well for the serious Canes fans, we want to discuss the good and bad information about our team and learn stuff we didn't know before.

NOT to wade through garbage. ONE A FULL PAGE OF THIS BLOG MOST DAYS, 9/10 post is either Gallo/Calvin/Cane72 or another fan's arguing with their stupidity....

THIS AIN'T A SPORTS BLOG!

THIS IS A REALITY TV BLOG OF WHAT HALF-MAN/HALF-SHEEP RETARDS DO FOR FUN!

FIVE TITLES:

AND YOU KNOW THEY ARE GETTING TO YOU ALSO!!

THE BEST THING WE ALL COULD DO IS LEAVE THE BLOG!!

LEAVE IT TO THE TROLLS TO RUN FOR A WHILE...

THEN MAYBE SUSAN AND MANNY WILL GET THEIR HEADS OUT THEY A55ES AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT...

OH WELL, not a chance in hell...

its not the players...its the coaches and UM has weak HC/DC......

jimmy would say during ND games......every time Tim Brown touches that ball you take his head off......where is golden on taking winstons head off?

you hear golden/dnofrio talk they are afraid....pound for pound both teams are virtually equal......

if anything fsu has had more turmoil...they lost a great DC in mark stoops.....they lost coley.....they lost a top QB in manuel and top 7 defensive guys.....

so as you can see the difference is coaching and that's why UM is 21 point underdog......everywhere you read...UM is the worst undefeated team in ncaa....

just look at last 3 games.....there is the proof

true fans understand that these guys take UM nowhere...so why wait, let them go......

why do UM fans have to support a coaching staff that they believe is weak and will not take UM anywhere.....

ask yourself today...where is UM really? if you look at the stats UM should EXPONENTIALLY better but they arn't.

what will the koolaid drinkers say if UM gets crushed? it will be excuse after excuse.....fsu has a younger team......UM should be favored not them....plus a freshman QB...give me a break

dude really, another new ID but acts like he has been here a long time. Does not dispute the facts, just claims I have no right to say them. Just like other fake new IDs in the past. What a coincidence! And they happen to post the same time as an ID theft occurs, after a day of peace. Another coincidence? Nah, let's be real. Oh wait, nevermind, that ID stealing guy can never BE real.

2nd and 3 at MIA 37 Duke Johnson rush for 23 yards to the WFrst 25, WAKE FOREST penalty 15 yard Face Mask on Ryan Janvion accepted for a 1ST down.
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Not the five yard incidental, the fifteen yard grab and twist facemask. This same play had a horsecollar, but they only called one of the two. See the Palm Beach Post game grades for confirmation of this.

2nd and 16 at WAKE 25 Duke Johnson rush for 9 yards to the WFrst 8, WAKE FOREST penalty 8 yard Face Mask on Ryan Janvion accepted for a 1ST down.
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Not the five yard incidental, the fifteen yard grab and twist facemask. But since it was so close to the goal line, it was reduced to 8 yards.

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Looks like you were proven wrong AGAIN, fella!

WestCoastCane, running from him does not work, he stalks canes fans. Did it on the Sun Sentinel and the Post, and is now trying to end this last spot for Canes discussion.

If Canes fans leave, he wins his little weak internet rivalry. Even after his team was beaten on the field of play, it would be his Pyrrhic victory to shut this blog down again. They shut it off once before, and his glee was excessive, to say the least.

So, please don't leave, but don't give him posts that he can complain about either. You have seen how it works, he antagonizes, then gets Canes fans removed if they respond using the same language he does.

Be kind to him, so he has nothing to report.

Gallo -

is Golden on the level of a Saban, Urban Meyer, Les Miles, Harbaugh (when he was at Stanford)? No. Was I skeptical about him coming into thsi year? Yes. Are the Canes undefeated, ranked in the top ten, under the national spotlight, and going to benefit tremendously from the sanctions being anounced? Yes

Dude calm down, relax and cheer for "your Canes." You don't have to believe in Golden, fine, but it as if you're rooting for the Canes to lose. Real Canes fans don't anticipate a beat down to the F(riggin) S(chool) U(p) North. We take on an us against the world attitude, strap up, and go to work. I've ignored you for a while, but like that K. Lamar song, you're killing my vibe. As much as I hated Coker, and knew that Shannon wasn't ready, I cheered for wins....ALWAYS! so on behalf of all of us GTFOH with your nonsense, God bless

Gallo is still a moron....our fans dont think our coaches are weak, thats why we support them. U think the gator coaches are weak so U come here to project. We are 7-0 and U are 4-3. I bet when we beat fsu, U disappear again like after we beat ufelons. Im drinkin' the koolaide....tastes better than watered down gatoeaide. Lol at let them go at 8-0 when we beat the seminoles

Again folks, judge the words, not the ID. The [person] that is stealing IDs incessantly is just trying to cause trouble, please just discuss the game and ignore any attacks of you done in my ID, or any other Canes fan ID.

So back to the game, we must:

a) hit the rock star in the mouth (ahem - Denzel bring the wood to that kid),

b)they haven't been challenge yet, so let's see how they perform with their backs to the wall

c) run, run, run the ball, but throw it on 1st dowqn to keep them honest

d) win special teams. this is where Coley is key, greta opportunity for the kid to make a name for himself

e) use the tight end (stating the obvious)

f) be patient....they'll come out the game swinging

g) get pressure up the middle with our DT's

h) make them one dimensional and take away the run game

How about this
Duke 30 carries for 180 yrds 4 catches for110 yrds
Morris 22-25 for380 yrds 5 rushes for 60 yrds
Thats a win

WCC you need to state your stuff and not engage the one's that you know who will trip your clock.

The regular posters know who is real and who is not.
This is not news.

Easy to ignore, and you can filter your thoughts and response, so if you leave they win.

You are not a quitter, so although you and I have not agreed on all topics in the past, it is important to state your ideas and opinions. It is still critical for us to get many thoughts on a variety of topics re our 'Canes.

No 'Cane ever quit.
No 'Cane ever ran, so re-consider and keep saying your stuff in this forum.
Hang in there 'bro.
Go 'Canes

UGoCane,

You tell him. You can't let that sicko run you from the blog. You leave he wins. Just ignore him.

What color uniforms do you guys think we should wear Saturday night?

Fact is the Canes have not yet played their best game.

Their biggest test was against a full strength UF team, but were still making mistakes on both sides of the ball. That was against what was considered by #1 defense in the country until the injury bug hit them hard after the Miami game...

And of course UM has played one mistake-filled game after another, including probably the worst Steven Morris has every played in 4 years. PRobably due to the ankle injury. Coley made a good point that throwing short passes require the ability to plant and "drive" the ball. Something Morris obviously had hard time doing due to a painful high ankle sprain. I had one of those and it hurts to even walk, much less run or put pressure on it. And it lasted 2 months for me despite physical therapy.

The Facts are this: FSU is a better team because of 2-4 years of recruiting advantage and a pretty stable coaching staff and no NCAA

The Fact is UM is catching up with recruiting despite the NCAA. They are headed towards a potential 1-2 rated recruiting class in 2014 and have JUCO and transfers from 2013 who will start making impact in 2014.

If Canes lose this game-- no one would be surprised. And it would have nothing to do with coaching as some of these crazy "canes fans" are posting here.

Golden is being spoken around the country as a highly sought after coach for major programs and potential NFL opportunities. If you don't know that, you aren't reading the sports news enough.

However, this is UM vs FSU and all odds, bets from Vegas are out the window! Anyone who's watched this series since the 80's and the UM vs ND series should know this clearly.

This game brings out the best in the Canes. Even during their down years with Shannon, they won against FSU teams that were much better on paper.

IT all comes down to the players making plays on the field. And their mental toughness if they face adversity. This UM team has shown a new kind of mental toughness this year and grinding out wins they lost in the past 6 years.

It'll be a good game. Just watch and enjoy. Talk trash after.

Posted by: StormsCominBitches | October 31, 2013 at 05:55 PM
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And U are the lone voice of REASON in this world of Orange nd' Green illusion! hUh And it's about time, Jack.

Nonetheless, all I ask of Goldie's squad that they, as a collective team, DON'T get embarrassed on national telly.

Because there's a very, very, very good chance Miami, Florida will see MIGHTY F.S.U. in Charlotte. dUh

Oh, thanks to Manuel's list of position breakdowns and the number of PRIME TIME players within position. It's blatantly obvious that Goldie and his staff have done a tremendous job getting Miami, Florida to Top 10 status.

And dig this y'all Cane doubter's. And U know whom Ye Be. I-F the Hurricanes aren't massacared and scalped by the Seminoles, as so many of the college football media-nexus have touted, Miami could possibly fall no further than No.10/No.11 in both polls.

Too bad that canespace/eoth don't have more " S.C.B. " personalities in their respective forums blogging.

Oh, that's right. Most of the astute Cane fan-dom no longer blog in that canespace/eoth. hUh

Yeah, yeah I understand the astute Miami, Florida football bloggers have bloody L-I-V-E-S and what not. dUh

Gallo,
okay - you don't like our coaching staff. got it. clear. calling for their removal at this point is futile and rather foolish. Every argument you might make in earnest about our soft schedule this year has merit. Every critique of the defensive scheme has some merit.

That we are 7-0, about to be 7-1 in November, with the NCAA case GONE, AG and DNO are not going anywhere because you so badly want them to. We are not the 2001-2002 canes, when I went to school at UM. We are not the 80s canes. College FB has changed; with almost every program borrowing from the elements that made us so successful in the ....past. We are reinventing ourselves; slowly, painfully...RS is GONE. A true Cane. AG is here and will be for..oh at least 3 more yrs. calling for his head at this point is just...non.sense.

Five Titles youre right I like the defensive adjustments at halftime, just wish we wouldn't have to need so many. We have been getting gashed in the first quarter, it's like we start games unprepared on defense.

That was OK vs NC and WF, but if it happens again vs Noles it's over. We have to start game with a good defensive game plan and can't wait to see what they are doing before we adjust at halftime.
o running headstarts vs FSU please.

Posted by: beedharphong | October 31, 2013 at 06:42 PM

You cannot say we'll be 7-1 in November. Come Sunday we'll be 8-0. To me this game has all the markings of the 05 VT game in Blacksburg that we won.

Go 'Canes, beat the 'Noles.

Cool Cat, I civilly and respectfully disagree. We need to run clock and tire their defense, while keeping our defense rested. Too many times, early in the game, Morris and/or Coley would run that quick strike offense, but in the end of the game, we won it with ball control offense.

Duke has to be our primary weapon, and Crawford our second, not the wide receivers, as long as the FSU weakness is the line and not the DBs.

Improves time of possession, improves field position, reduces Morris INTs, and uses the one area that has been successful against FSU in the past this season.

Posted by: Five Titles | October 31, 2013 at 02:41 PM

Well said.

Play action on first down every now and then but it all comes down the running game. Use the strength of our team, the offensive line. We are deep and big. Run the ball down their throat and execute on third and short.

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