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Counting stars: A breakdown of UM-FSU on defense by talent, recruiting hype

And now for the second half of the breakdown between the Hurricanes and Seminoles.


> Miami: DE Anthony Chickillo (6-4, 277, Jr., 4-star, No. 3 DE in 2011 by Rivals); Shayon Green (6-3, 264, Sr., 3-star, No. 65 DE in 2009 by Rivals); David Gilbert (6-4, 256, Sr., 4-star, No. 12 DE in 2009 by Rivals); Ufomba Kamalu (6-6, 285, Jr., 2-star, unranked JUCO in 2013 by Rivals); Al-Quadin Muhammad (6-3, 240, Fr., 4-star, No. 3 WDE in 2013 by Rivals); Tyriq McCord (6-3, 235, So., 4-star, No. 7 WDE in 2012 by Rivals); DT Justin Renfrow (6-6, 320, Sr., 3-star, No. 43 DE in 2009 by Rivals); Olsen Pierre (6-4, 305, Jr. 3-star, unranked in 2011 by Rivals); Curtis Porter (6-1, 325, Sr. 3-star, No. 54 DT in 2009 by Rivals); Luther Robinson (6-3, 296, r-Sr., 4-star, No. 18 DT in 2009 by Rivals).

> FSU: DE Eddie Goldman (6-4, 303, So., 5-star, No. 2 DT in 2012 by Rivals); Mario Edwards (Jr., 6-3, 277, So., 5-star, No. 1 DT in 2012 by Rivals); Chris Casher (6-4, 260, R-Fr., 4-star, No. 4 WDE in 2012 by Rivals); Demonte McAllister (6-2, 290, r-Sr., 4-star, No. 4 SDE in 2009 by Rivals). DT Nile Lawrence-Stample (6-1, 305, r-So., 4-star, No. 29 DT in 2011 by Rivals); NG Timmy Jernigan (6-2, 296, Jr., 4-star, No. 2 DT in 2011 by Rivals); Jacobbi McDaniel (6-0, 295, R-Sr., 5-star, No. 2 DT in 2009 by Rivals); Desmond Hollin (6-3, 270, Jr., 3-star, unranked JUCO in 2013 by Rivals).

> Recruiting edge: FSU. If not for the transfers of Justin Renfrow and David Gilbert for Miami, the talent gap here would be much wider than it already is. FSU has three 5-star recruits in its defensive line rotation and three highly-touted 4-stars that were top five at their respective positions. UM doesn't have any 5-star recruits on the d-line and only two who were top five at their respect positions in Chickillo and McCord.

> What's happened: That all being said, UM's front is vastly improved from a year ago. UM ranks 39th in run defense (141.7 yards per game) has tallied 22 sacks (the Canes had 13 all of last season). FSU's run defense ranks 29th (135.7 yards per game) and the Seminoles have produced 17 sacks with only five coming from their linemen. All that being said, Jernigan is the highest-rated NFL prospect of all the current draft-eligible defensive linemen in this game. ESPN ranks him second among DTs. CBS Sports rates him sixth best among and a potential second rounder. McAllister is next at 11th among DTs according to ESPN.

> Real edge: FSU, but not as widely as people think. For all the hype FSU's linemen got out of high school, only Jernigan has been a consistent force up front. Miami does its work collectively, but still gets the majority of its pass rush from third-down specialists like McCord and not enough from its starters. FSU has produced 19 quarterback hurries this season and only allowed five. UM has produced 13 QB hurries and allowed 17.


> Miami: MLB Jimmy Gaines (6-3, 240, Sr., 2-star, unranked in 2010 by Rivals); Raphael Kirby (6-0, 235, So., 4-star, No. 5 OLB in 2012 by Rivals); OLB Tyrone Cornelius (6-2, 225, Sr., 3-star, No. 38 OLB in 2010 by Rivals); Denzel Perryman (6-0, 240, Jr., 3-star, No. 25 ILB in 2011 by Rivals); Alex Figueroa (6-3, 235, Fr., No stars, no ranking in 2012 by Rivals; Thurston Armbrister (6-3, 233, Jr., No stars, no ranking in 2011 by Rivals)

> FSU: MLB Terrance Smith (6-4, 215, R-So., 3-star, No. 18 OLB in 2011 by Rivals); OLB Christian Jones (6-4, 235, Sr., 5-star, No. 2 OLB in 2010 by Rivals); Telvin Smith (6-3, 218, Sr., 4-star, No. 18 OLB in 2010 by Rivals); Reggie Northrup (6-1, 220, So., 4-star, No. 30 OLB in 2012 by Rivals); Dan Hicks (6-4, 260, R-Sr., 2-star, unranked in 2009 by Rivals); Ukeme Eligwe (6-2, 240, R-Fr., 4-star, No. 2 OLB in 2012 by Rivals).

> Recruiting edge: FSU. It's almost puzzling how Miami has managed to survive at linebacker considering the of lack of talent recruited for the position. Gaines, recruited by former assistant John Lovett, had only a couple other offers (Buffalo, UConn and Syracuse). Figueroa didn't have any offers and Armbrister, a converted safety, was a late addition by Golden.

> What's happened: Gaines has developed into a lot more than anyone really expected, tallying 158 tackles in 21 career starts. Perryman, the only Butkus semifinalist in the ACC, has blossomed into UM's best defensive player despite being thrown into the fire right away as an undersized freshman. CBSSports rates him as the eighth-best draft-eligible outside linebacker and a potential second or third round pick in April. FSU's Jones, meanwhile, sits atop the board as the top projected inside linebacker by CBSSports and a second round pick. Teammate Telvin Smith ranks 12th among outside linebackers and a potential fourth rounder.

> Real edge: FSU. Jones (33 tackles, 4.5 TFL, 2 sacks) and Smith (49 tackles, 5 TFL, 1 INT, 1 sack) are elite players. UM has one in Perryman and a couple overachievers. It should be noted by the way Jones plays a lot of defensive end, too and told reporters in Tallahassee this week he sees himself as a defensive end now.


> Miami: CB Tracy Howard (5-11, 184, So., 5-star, No. 1 CB in 2012 by Rivals); Ladarius Gunter (6-2, 196, Jr., 3-star, unranked JUCO in 2012); Antonio Crawford (5-11, 187, So., 3-star, unranked CB by Rivals); Artie Burns (6-0, 190, Fr., 4-star, No. 15 CB in 2013 by Rivals); S Kacy Rodgers (6-2, 212, Sr., 3-star, No. 37 CB in 2010 by Rivals); Rayshawn Jenkins (6-1, 208, So., 3-star, No. 32 S in 2012 by Rivals); Deon Bush (6-1, 203, So., 4-star, No. 6 S in 2012 by Rivals); AJ Highsmith (6-0, 208, Sr., 3-star, unranked ATH in 2009 by Rivals).

> FSU: CB Lamarcus Joyner (5-8, 190, Sr. 5-star, No. 1 CB in 2010 by Rivals); P.J. Williams (6-0, 190, So., 4-star, No. 9 S in 2012 by Rivals); Ronald Darby (5-11, 190, So., 4-star, No. 2 CB in 2012 by Rivals); Nick Waisome (5-10, 176, Jr., 4-star, No. 8 CB in 2011 by Rivals); S Jalen Ramsey (6-1, 195, Fr., 5-star, No. 3 CB in 2013 by Rivals); Terrence Brooks (5-11, 200, Sr., 3-star, No. 45 CB by Rivals in 2010); Keelin Smith (6-3, 185, R-So., 3-star, No. 34 CB in 2011 by Rivals); Nate Andrews (5-11, 208, Fr., 3-star, unranked ATH in 2013 by Rivals).

> Recruiting edge: FSU. Outside of Howard, Burns and Bush, Miami's secondary is made up of mid-level talent according to recruiting gurus. While FSU has two five star recruits starting (one at corner and one at safety) and the rest of its corners are all four-star prospects.

> What's happened: FSU has allowed the fewest passing yards in the country (153.7), ranks fifth in passing efficiency defense (97.34), has 29 pass breakups and 10 interceptions (two returned for touchdowns). Joyner, a player FSU took out of UM's backyard at St. Thomas Aquinas, has been dominant. He's posted 27 tackles, 1 INT, 3 sacks, 3 pass breakups and 3 forced fumbles in his senior season and is projected to be the second free safety taken in April's draft according to CBS Sports. Brooks, his teammate, has 22 tackles, 4 PBUs, 2 FF and 2 INTs. He's projected to be a third or fourth rounder. UM ranks 17th in pass defense (200.6 yards per game) 10th in passing efficiency defense) and has 22 passes broken up and 12 interceptions. Howard leads the way with three.

> Real edge: FSU. Miami, obviously a lot younger than FSU in the secondary, didn't look good against the one good pass offense it faced in North Carolina, which completed 74.4 percent of its passes for 395 yards. Tight end Eric Ebron abused Miami. FSU hasn't had a bad game yet in pass defense and held Tahj Boyd and Clemson to only 203 yards passing. Opponents are only completing passes at a 52.2 percent clip against FSU, which is also allowing only 5.2 yards per attempt.


> Miami: K Matt Goudis (6-0, 172, So., 2-star, No. 13 kicker in 2011 by Rivals); P Pat O'Donnell (6-5, 220, Gr., 2-star, unranked in 2009 by Rivals); KR/PR Stacy Coley (6-1, 180, Fr., 4-star, No. 13 WR in 2013 by Rivals); KR Duke Johnson (5-9, 196, So., 5-star, No. 1 all-purpose running back by Rivals in 2012).

> FSU: K Roberto Aguayo (6-1, 203, R-Fr., 3-star, No. 3 kicker in 2012 by Rivals); P Cason Beatty (6-3, 229, So. 2-star, unranked kicker in 2012 by Rivals); KR Lamarcus Joyner (5-8, 180, Sr., 5-star, No. 1 CB in 2010 by Rivals); KR Karlos Williams (6-1, 223, Jr., 5-star, No. 2 safety in 2011 by Rivals.com); PR Kenny Shaw (6-0, 170, Sr., 4-star, No. 14 WR in 2010 by Rivals).

> Recruiting edge: None really. But it is noteworthy Aguayo got a three-star rating. Kickers rarely do.

> What's happened: The Hurricanes lead the nation in kickoff return average thanks to Johnson (29.23 average) and Coley (1 kick return for a TD). FSU does a better job on punt returns (29th, 11.79 yard average) compared to UM (62nd, 8.09 yard average). When it comes to punting, O'Donnell (45.67 average) has saved the Hurricanes a couple times with big kicks. Beatty is averaging 40.3 yards a punt. Aguayo has converted all 58 kicks in his career (10 field goals, 48 PATs) and has a career-long of 45 yards. Goudis also hit a 45-yard field goal against Wake Forest, but has missed his last two kicks from 40 yards or more (43 and 40).

> Real edge: Even. Both teams have explosive return men and Miami has an edge with O'Donnell. But if it comes down to making a big kick Aguayo has the stronger track record.




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I, also, noticed notion which Hurricane partisans haven't mentioned in the M-H... THE DUKE!

Remember this y'all Cane loyalists. THE DUKE is totally HEALTHY going into Saturday's prime time game on national telly. A significant factor which wasn't true last season against F.S.U.

Last season, THE DUKE was probably at 85% regarding his physical health, i.e, THE DUKE had a couple of lingering injuries going into Seminole week. One could also argue that THE DUKE had reached his plateau in his freshmen season by the F.S.U. game.

Then, there's the fact THE DUKE has gained 13/14 pounds of lean, mean muscle mass. SEE his use of the old school stiff-arm and what not.

Believe it or not. I absolutely envision THE DUKE having a very good game against the Seminole's.

I would love nothing more than for us to be 8-0. I am just conceding current points to the naysayers about the overall status of the program.

The first 8-9 minutes will tell the tale. If we go into half down by no more than 10, we have a shot. If it's 24-3 or worse, probabilities don't favor a comeback.

Our Oline and rushing have to be effective; we can't count on a breakout passing game against this pass defense - even assuming Morris were to be healthy, which he isn't - no spinning that one.

Our defense will not be able to stop their well honed offense from scoring at least 28-42 points. Sorry. the numbers don't lie. Unless we just come out fired up like we did vs. UF - a much, much worse offensive team at the beginning of the year - who still managed to move the ball effectively...well, we need some mojo magic. I wanna see it as bad as any here. I was dead damned wrong about the UF game. I can't wait to be wrong again.

Stars search competition don't matter in a game like this. Show me star search for the UF game!

Miami still hasn't played their best game yet. All this is gonna be about is physical football.

I can't see Stephen not being Stephen, so I expect []_[]s to try to push the ball downfield. Put Hurns and Waters on that little corner and throw the high back should/fade all day.

I was dead damned wrong about the UF game. I can't wait to be wrong again.

Posted by: beedharphong | October 31, 2013 at 06:56 PM


I was wrong about the MIGHTY Gator game, too. Stanky chit happens, eh.

don't know if this will be left up - but a great article.


Feature Duke on offense with short passes out of backfield. suck LBs in and open middle for the TEs/WRs.

Duke is a weapon on the field even when he doesn't it so play-pass all day. Run everything through the Duke.

Posted by: beedharphong | October 31, 2013 at 06:56 PM

When you're killing teams and make them one dimensional, then yea, you can key in on the pass.

O[]_[]r passing game can be just as good if executed. It's about balance as unit. With the right players and execution you can run one formation all night and kill a team. Power I with play-action baby. Miami has the talent and balance, but what has been lacking is execution. We've played a better defense this year and our ballers still looked like ballers. Execution baby.

I agree though. The way o[]_[]r line matches up against theirs will dictate the game. I say we can run on that team all night. They are gonna have to load up. The problem is Coley hasn't always shown the propensity to take advantage of the overplay with draws, screens, and the play-pass.

All this star seach...smh.

This isn't checkers, man. This here's chess!!!!

Miami is just as complete if not a more complete team than FSU. We spread the ball around and play next man []_[]p football. Catches, interceptions, rushing... We are a TEAM. Without Winston where's FSU? Huh!?

People think Miami is lacking and then Vegas puts out that sucker bet so the national not-knowing followers who get their opinion from Heribie and ESPN can lay heavy $$$ on FSU. Ha!!!

They are so good they even have not-knowing locals thinking the same thing!!!

Smart money is on []_[]s!!!!!!!

Here's what i see happening with Canes strategy:

1) New offensive game plan: more TE and short throws to sidelines and middle. Screens to defuse the blitzs FSU will be trying to throw. But 80% of this Offense rides on Duke and Dallas.... "D&D" i like that!

They will switch from a Zone look into a Man cover after the ball snaps to throw off Winston and try to generate INTs

2) New defensive game plan: more blitzs and a spy on Winston. You know they have been practicing all week to get to Winston and will try to get him out of the pocket.

3) Trick plays: expect a gamble at the right time when it's 4th and 2-4yrds to go.

4) Don't rule out the special teams: Canes have been very close to a number of returns for TDs on kick-offs and i suspect we'll take one to the house this game.

5) Conditioning: i believe this Canes team is stronger and tougher than years past and will show their strength in the 4th quarter. If the score is close in the 4th, the Canes win it.

Conditioning: i believe this Canes team is stronger and tougher than years past and will show their strength in the 4th quarter. If the score is close in the 4th, the Canes win it.


Exactly these fools haven't played a 60 minute game all year. The down years have sucked the swagger out of the fan base, but not this dude right chur! Bring it! I could give a damn about some Indians.....bring.....IT!

Next man up i dont completley disagree about a dose of screens. I think everybody has been waiting for it. What scares me is think every team has been waiting for the screen too. I wont be surprised if they r jumping hard on the screen. I'd like to set up screen and run a wheel or something to get duke into 2nd level. Probably to cute for line to excecute. Maybe dragging duke behind clive.

Five Titles: By all that is sacred, it should be SIX.

Like it stormscoming. Would be nice to see the dbl d's bouncing all the way to the endzone all night.

WestCoastCane, maybe this blog is suffering from the "Randy Shannon Effect" or maybe "The Cloud" is still lingering over our heads man, as U so eloquently put it. either way, a great Cane like yourself doesn't deserve this genocidal brutality...U should leave bro...peace bro!

SCB, so if we lose this game, it has nothing to do with coaching at all and we fans should believe this because the prevailing national sentiment is positive regarding Al Golden?

Thats a very interest take on things logically.

Question: when or what is an appropriate time or situation where coaches can or should be accountable for their aspect of the team's performance?

If we should prepare to not be surprised to lose this game, then how much should we expect to win it as fans?

In truth, we are being asked to temper our expectations to protect Golden. Thats some Gator/Tebow philosophy nut ish. If we lose its not all Golden's fault, but this PR setup to relieve him of any accountability in any situation (by some fans) is tiring.

Golden won't improve without accountability, no man does. If U truly loved Golden, you'd challenge him.

Question: when or what is an appropriate time or situation where coaches can or should be accountable for their aspect of the team's performance?

Posted by: HarrietTubmanCane | October 31, 2013 at 08:55 PM

In my opinion end of next year for the DC, 2015 for Golden. You can get as pissed as you want about the current state of the team but the coaches aren't going anywhere. It's hard to deny that the defense has improved since last year. Some folks are still in denial about how depleted that unit has been since Golden got here.
I'm not a Shannon basher either, that's just a fact.

Yeah fsu has a fast defense but two of thise lb's are smallish thats why bc ran for over 200 yards on them. Great againts the past and weak against a team commited to the run. 25 carries with duke 15 between crawford and clements. Turn this into a slowdown fistfight. If we win the toss put our d out first winston starts slow and them picks up. He only had one game where they did that in the first game. We cant be intimidated of state. They are still state and they feed off winston. We cant have careless turnivers and we must hit them often and early. Turn into a slugfest like we did fla and keep the click running and we have a great chance.

Posted by: behindenemylines | October 31, 2013 at 08:38 PM

If you throw incomplete on first down they're waiting for the run on second and 10 because they figure you want to stay away from third and long.... But you need to call something else that the defense isn't expecting like the flea-flicker or play-pass. Give the run look. Problem with Coley is he's calling the screen on 3rd and long, when everyone in the world knows that's what you run on that down in that situation. I used to love those TE screens Wipple used to call. The best part was it developed faster than a conventional screen, you had a bigger target, and the completion was at the line of scrimmage so it was guaranteed positive yards. It's about situational play-calling not the play call itself.

Also our tempo sucks. Too much check back at the line. They need to play quicker and with more tempo leverage.

Its not about the coaches getting fired, thats an extreme and we shouldn't talk in those either way as their both far-fetched. But to say that Al Golden doesn't deserve a performance appraisal for 5 years on a job is shocking to me.

Why did the defense improve? It has to be that the players decided to play better, because according to this philosophy, the coaches don't have any impact on our performances for another year or two. Performance appraisals can be good or bad, so rightfully so, any good that the team achieves is by the players will alone, since their bad performances and results are on them as well.

This sentiment says that any improvement is Golden and any deficiency is the players.

As Calvin pointed out, Golden's decisions to dismiss numerous players from the team, many his own recruits, has had a hand in that depletion. Some give Golden excuses that he hasn't even utilized himself yet. Golden came up, this is a great gig for him--who would ever leave a situation like this one??

There was no where for the defense to go but up this year, considering it was 4th from the bottom, last season.

If this team was so depleted then where are the star Golden recruits that have helped Us turn it around? Our best players are still Shannon recruits.

I don't know if anyone should hang their hat on all the stats, they look good and are good fodder around the water cooler,but, it doesn't take too many bounces of the ball in the wrong direction for any team to be beaten at any level. The one thing that isn't taken into consideration here is when a team gets hit in the mouth, what happens then. Miami has been hit in the mouth and had adversity, while, on the other hand, FSU hasn't really had a close game, including the Boston game. Things have pretty much gone even keel for them and that includes the Clemson game, where it seemed Clemson got hit in the mouth and stayed down. If a team, maybe tomorrow night with Miami,or, a team down the road hits FSU hard enough in the mouth, and/or,the ball doesn't bounce their way, it will be interesting to see how they react. No one has really pushed FSU yet, it may be tomorrow night, or, maybe not, but, that's why they play the game. Go Canes.

BTW, if the canes need any incentive for tomorrow night being the underdogs they way the odds makers have them should provide plenty to look forward to. They have got to take it as an insult, being undefeated and not being given a snowballs chance in hell of winning. According to the odds makers fsu could show up 30 minutes late and still win. But, then again, as I said earlier That's why they play the game and with all the slights, I don't think it would be wise for fsu to count on being late as I'm sure, with the putdowns Miami will definitely be on time. These are the kinds of games that every football player dreams of.

Correction on my earlier comment, I meant to say Saturday night not tomorrow night, who ever shows up tomorrow night would be just a little off target. :)
But, it's still Go Canes!

That's a mute point HTC because the coaches are already being BBQ'd on a daily basis as if they were 0-7.

Ok lol.

BS-BS-BS-BS....Fsu has had twice the turmoil than UM....they lose Bobby Bowden, Mickey Andrews, James Coley, Mark Stoops and EJ Manuel BUT they go 9-4 / 12-2 (take a hint UM)......

golden takes over in 2011 and goes 6-6 / 7-5....saddles UM with the worst defense in cane history....sanctions were non-existent because the only real turmoil effect on team that you could make if any were 4 games - ray Armstrong,dyron dye and 6 games with vernon....after that the NCAA never spoke 1 word with golden or his staff or players.....so WTF is he talking about?

the only turmoil that happened was by his own making with the freshman/senior substitutions, discipline and player terminations.....

alex collins - denver kirkland - terrell brooks - matthew thomas & jaynard bostwick all said they did not de-committ because of sanctions.....

al golden created so much turmoil 2011/2012 its beyond belief...thats why I cant get behind him since he to this day blames everyone but himself.....

I haven't commented here in forever because the trolls attack you and then the homers attack you. But this is a HUGE game and it seems like Miami fans have lost their swagger. It is time for the fans to get the swag back.

I don't give a bleep what Vegas thinks. There is NO WAY FSU is 21 points better than Miami. NONE, ZIP, NADA, NYET whatever. That point spread is complete disrespect and if anyone thinks these Canes won't play lights out Saturday then you are SADLY mistaken. If you think Stephen Morris isn't feeling disrespected, and has a chip on his shoulder, you are SADLY mistaken. Morris will play lights out Saturday. You can take it to the bank. Last year, his play was phenomenal. Although he has been injured this year, he WILL rebound and make crucial big plays in the game. As a Canes fan with SWAG, I believe, and based on his overall body of work as a Canes QB, I KNOW this to be true. It is a shame to see so many Canes fans questioning him when he has done so much for our program. Remember, this guy threw for over 500 yards in a game last year. Has famous Jameis ever done that? NO. And he won't do that Saturday.

Miami plays the 1980's PSU defense. Give up the short stuff, tackle, and NEVER EVER get beat deep. What has been Jameis best plays for FSU? Long balls against weak competition. You think the Canes gonna let him do that Saturday night? I DON'T THINK SO.

Erickson said years ago that FSU-Miami games are won at the line of scrimmage. This will be no different. I BELIEVE that the Duke is the KING of Miami in football. I believe in fifth year seniors on the OL. And I believe this team has everything it needs to win the game. The players need to believe. And we as fans need to show our SWAG and BELIEVE IN THEM. GO CANES - beat FSwho.

Shannon recruits left for golden:

QB Jacory Harris
QB Stephen Morris
RB Duke Johnson
RB Mike James
FB Maurice Hagens
WR Phillip Dorsett
WR Allen Hurns
LT Malcolm Bunche
LG Jonathan Feliciano
C Shane McDermott
RG Brandon Linder
RT Seantrel Henderson
TE Clive Walford
DE Shayon Green
DE Anthony Chickillo
LB Jimmy Gaines
CB Brandon McGee
S Kacy Rodgers
K Jake Wieclaw
RB Eduardo Clements
WR Davon Johnson
WR Kendall Thompkins
TE Dyron Dye
TE Asante Cleveland
C Jared Wheeler
LG Jeremy Lewis
LB Tyrone Cornelius
S AJ Highsmith
S Vaughn Telemaque
TE David Perry
TE Cory White
DT Curtis Porter
DT Luther Robinson
LB Ramon Buchanan
OT Ben Jones
S Ray-Ray Armstrong
OL Jermaine Barton
LB Kelvin Cain
RB Darion Hall
RB Storm Johnson
DT Jeffery Brown
DB Devont'a Davis
LB Travis Williams
DB Jamal Reid
LB Kevin Nelson
DB Keion Payne
TE Andrew Tallman
TE Billy Sanders
FB CJ Holton
WR Aldarius Johnson
DB Thomas Finnie
WR Travis Benjamin
DB Alonzo Highsmith
RB Lamar Miller
DL Micanor Regis
DL Marcus Robinson
LB Sean Spence
WR Tommy Streeter
DL Oliver Vernon
DB JoJo Nicolas

more BS excuses......

I cant wait till golden/dnofrio get fired.....these 2 lie about everything.....

yea.....golden took over a depleted UM team....98% of ncaa coaches would cut their arm off to enter a program with that talent.....

How do you figure FSU had twice the turmoil of UM?

UM had years of incompetent coaching from Coker and Shannon And the whole Shapiro scandal. They didn't have an NCAA investigation holding them back in recruiting. They were also smart enough to have Jimbo in place and ready to roll.

Good job by FSU...meanwhile in South Florida Shannon was spending his timeouts in the 1st and 3rd quarters, massacring the english language, and playing Arthur Brown on special teams.

Take your meds.

there was 1 star that golden recruited that would have been a HUGE plus for UM especially vs FSU and thats eddie johnson....and add to that gionni paul.....

Stop living in the past. PLEASE. These players don't need the old Shannon Golden debate. They need your 100% support Saturday night. Do it whatever way you do to support the Canes. If that is prayer, the players will take it. If it is displaying a flag on your car or your home, show it. Lets just support this TEAM now and not live in the past. The FUTURE is NOW if we embrace it as Canes FANS. If you are so into living in the past that you would deny supporting the current group of players of your 100% support you need to look into the mirror. They need 100% support NOW. Show your SWAG and believe in them as they believe in you.

look who they lost dip sh..it.....the OC and DC TWICE....they are no their third DC and look how the FSU defense is performing.....see what I mean green pea...don't you get it?

all new defenses and offense and the team still goes 12-2 and 9-4.....

that's because the administration doesn't make irrational and quick decisions...they get the best there is at FSU....Unlike UM where we RUSH just to get a body in here....

WTF does the Shapiro scandal have anything to do with teaching your team the game of football and getting them ready to win on Saturdays?

Deep breaths Gallo...

What does the Shapiro scandal have to do with anything??? Ridiculous post of the day!! Congrats and goodnight!!

Way to go Dolphins!!

FSU is a talented team. But if you think Miami is not a talented team, you are mistaken. Miami is VERY TALENTED and it will show Saturday night. I'll take Duke over Freeman any day of the week. I will take our OL over theirs any day of the week. I will say the front fours on defense are even, especially since Miami has the experience edge. Same goes for the linebackers. FSU has the star recruits but Miami has played Perryman and Gaines for three years now. They know each other and they aren't out of position like they used to be. Miami's corners are a wash with FSU. FSU has an edge in Joiner. But that aint 21 points of an advantage.

On offense, the only difference is recent QB play. Iconsider Morris winning the recent close games a testament to his intelligence. He could have tried to win those games hurt and he was smart enough to know he didn't need to do so. He let Duke be Duke, and Dallas be Dallas. He knew his time was coming up, and it will be Saturday night. He will show everyone what every TRUE CANES fan should already know, he is a VERY VERY GOOD QB. GO CANES.

They can have Cooley back

Who said the team isnt prepared to pkay. We're undefeated, no?


I think we're going to be ready to teach people to respect us again.

winston grew up on the spread offense.....that is a pass first then run.....winston is gonna be doing both....the thing that the herald is not mentioning is that winston is very good at last minute throws....he can run and just as a defender gives up and lets his guy get a little behind him...winston gets the ball out and can throw FAR......

UM corners got beat a lot with wake forest.....FSU will exploit that all night.....winston goes over 400 yards combined....

You don't have anything between you legs because you are completely intimidated by Winston and FSU. I'm sure this spreads to other areas of your life.

It doesn't matter what he did against any other team....the canes are coming now, son.

When Canes fans focus on the past, they both deny the present and the future. Trolls love it. They want that debate when the past is mediocre. But when you are on the verge of change, both for purposes of the present and the future, it is pointless unless your goal is both to stymie the present and prevent the future from happening.

I'll say this one last time before I go to sleep. Canes fans need to stop being negative Nancies and Debbie Downers, they need to take allegiance to their team seriously, and stop believing in what others tell you to be so, and rely on what you know in your heart to be true. THIS IS WHAT IS TRUE. In 1983, we KNEW Kosar was for real, we KNEW we would win that game. It WASN'T in doubt locally. The players were great and they knew it TOO. They didn't need us to tell it to them but it didn't hurt that we all BELIEVED. The time has arised for us to believe in them again. They have never stopped believing in us. They committed when sanctions were pending but they chose to believe in the dream. It is time for the FANS to put aside the turmoil the NCAA put us through and just believe. I am not a fan of the "process." I believe in these players. And after Saturday night, all of us will believe in them.

Gallo your an idiot....ONCE AGAIN.... were 7-0 for the first time in awhile....we will probably lose to FSU and still win the coastal.....GTFOOH PLEASE!!!!!!!

Great posts, SJMPARMAN.

CANES aren't going to Tally on a field trip. They are going to win a football game. Breaking down how these teams stack up is good for discussion, but that's it. NOLES are good. That's good, because it's about time our CANES got some lovin. Maybe our players aren't the best, except for Duke and Coley, but the team is really good. That's why we're undefeated. Go CANES.

Not impressed with the latest buzz about the game. This team has more talent than that team, blah, blah.... One FSU "official" said they should put up 40 on []_[]s! An official!!

How about official a-hole. Players play, all the talk means nothing. If they are supposed to crush []_[] then there shouldn't be all the talk about []_[]. They're ahead and clearly better? Show and prove tomorrow night.

Love how our guys are staying focused on []_[]. Let your play do the talking.

If anyone thinks what a bunch of evaluators say about the game tomorrow will affect the outcome you are sadly mistaken. We were supposed to be outclassed against UF too.

Gallo, did you go to the Wake game?
Gallo, did you go to ANY game this year other than the UF game in you blue and orange?


Folks, Gallo is not a negative Canes fan, he is just pretending. Note the lack of any praise for the 7-0 canes and the sole voice of unreason demanding Golden and his whole staff be fired.

REAL Canes fans, please do not feel shame for Gallo being on our side, he is not.

Gallo...still waiting on that casualty list with the gators at the bottom......U cant do it can U? U are a gator loser and thats why U are here. See you in 4-5 weeks after we beat the seminoles. U will disappear just like U did after we beat your beloved gators and sent them spiraling ...lmao at how fast U were go.e after that.

Joe Rose this morning tried to claim that the tackling of Mike Wallace in last night's Dolphins game was the greatest penalty ever, by saving a touchdown.

He is wrong. Might be the greatest penalty by a Miami Dolphins team, but not the greatest by a Miami team.

The greatest penalty ever was in a Miami Hurricanes game that helped us maintain the win, thanks to the difference in the rules between college and pro football on Pass Interference calls.

I wonder if anyone else can remember that play by a future ProCane Pro Bowler. That should be enough of a clue to narrow it down, there are only about 100 Pro Bowler Canes in the past 30 years to choose from.

I am guessing that SJMPARMAN, MH, Manny and Susan, and likely D could get it right.

Let me know if you need more clues.....

And here is a quiz just for that dedicated Canes fan Jim Gallo. It is real easy, but Google won't help you.

Who is Rita Richards?

If you were AT the Wake game, you know. TV audiences don't know, fans AT the game do know.

But you don't, because you are just pretending to be a Canes fan to make our fanbase look negative and unintelligent.

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