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Counting stars: A breakdown of UM-FSU on defense by talent, recruiting hype

And now for the second half of the breakdown between the Hurricanes and Seminoles.


> Miami: DE Anthony Chickillo (6-4, 277, Jr., 4-star, No. 3 DE in 2011 by Rivals); Shayon Green (6-3, 264, Sr., 3-star, No. 65 DE in 2009 by Rivals); David Gilbert (6-4, 256, Sr., 4-star, No. 12 DE in 2009 by Rivals); Ufomba Kamalu (6-6, 285, Jr., 2-star, unranked JUCO in 2013 by Rivals); Al-Quadin Muhammad (6-3, 240, Fr., 4-star, No. 3 WDE in 2013 by Rivals); Tyriq McCord (6-3, 235, So., 4-star, No. 7 WDE in 2012 by Rivals); DT Justin Renfrow (6-6, 320, Sr., 3-star, No. 43 DE in 2009 by Rivals); Olsen Pierre (6-4, 305, Jr. 3-star, unranked in 2011 by Rivals); Curtis Porter (6-1, 325, Sr. 3-star, No. 54 DT in 2009 by Rivals); Luther Robinson (6-3, 296, r-Sr., 4-star, No. 18 DT in 2009 by Rivals).

> FSU: DE Eddie Goldman (6-4, 303, So., 5-star, No. 2 DT in 2012 by Rivals); Mario Edwards (Jr., 6-3, 277, So., 5-star, No. 1 DT in 2012 by Rivals); Chris Casher (6-4, 260, R-Fr., 4-star, No. 4 WDE in 2012 by Rivals); Demonte McAllister (6-2, 290, r-Sr., 4-star, No. 4 SDE in 2009 by Rivals). DT Nile Lawrence-Stample (6-1, 305, r-So., 4-star, No. 29 DT in 2011 by Rivals); NG Timmy Jernigan (6-2, 296, Jr., 4-star, No. 2 DT in 2011 by Rivals); Jacobbi McDaniel (6-0, 295, R-Sr., 5-star, No. 2 DT in 2009 by Rivals); Desmond Hollin (6-3, 270, Jr., 3-star, unranked JUCO in 2013 by Rivals).

> Recruiting edge: FSU. If not for the transfers of Justin Renfrow and David Gilbert for Miami, the talent gap here would be much wider than it already is. FSU has three 5-star recruits in its defensive line rotation and three highly-touted 4-stars that were top five at their respective positions. UM doesn't have any 5-star recruits on the d-line and only two who were top five at their respect positions in Chickillo and McCord.

> What's happened: That all being said, UM's front is vastly improved from a year ago. UM ranks 39th in run defense (141.7 yards per game) has tallied 22 sacks (the Canes had 13 all of last season). FSU's run defense ranks 29th (135.7 yards per game) and the Seminoles have produced 17 sacks with only five coming from their linemen. All that being said, Jernigan is the highest-rated NFL prospect of all the current draft-eligible defensive linemen in this game. ESPN ranks him second among DTs. CBS Sports rates him sixth best among and a potential second rounder. McAllister is next at 11th among DTs according to ESPN.

> Real edge: FSU, but not as widely as people think. For all the hype FSU's linemen got out of high school, only Jernigan has been a consistent force up front. Miami does its work collectively, but still gets the majority of its pass rush from third-down specialists like McCord and not enough from its starters. FSU has produced 19 quarterback hurries this season and only allowed five. UM has produced 13 QB hurries and allowed 17.


> Miami: MLB Jimmy Gaines (6-3, 240, Sr., 2-star, unranked in 2010 by Rivals); Raphael Kirby (6-0, 235, So., 4-star, No. 5 OLB in 2012 by Rivals); OLB Tyrone Cornelius (6-2, 225, Sr., 3-star, No. 38 OLB in 2010 by Rivals); Denzel Perryman (6-0, 240, Jr., 3-star, No. 25 ILB in 2011 by Rivals); Alex Figueroa (6-3, 235, Fr., No stars, no ranking in 2012 by Rivals; Thurston Armbrister (6-3, 233, Jr., No stars, no ranking in 2011 by Rivals)

> FSU: MLB Terrance Smith (6-4, 215, R-So., 3-star, No. 18 OLB in 2011 by Rivals); OLB Christian Jones (6-4, 235, Sr., 5-star, No. 2 OLB in 2010 by Rivals); Telvin Smith (6-3, 218, Sr., 4-star, No. 18 OLB in 2010 by Rivals); Reggie Northrup (6-1, 220, So., 4-star, No. 30 OLB in 2012 by Rivals); Dan Hicks (6-4, 260, R-Sr., 2-star, unranked in 2009 by Rivals); Ukeme Eligwe (6-2, 240, R-Fr., 4-star, No. 2 OLB in 2012 by Rivals).

> Recruiting edge: FSU. It's almost puzzling how Miami has managed to survive at linebacker considering the of lack of talent recruited for the position. Gaines, recruited by former assistant John Lovett, had only a couple other offers (Buffalo, UConn and Syracuse). Figueroa didn't have any offers and Armbrister, a converted safety, was a late addition by Golden.

> What's happened: Gaines has developed into a lot more than anyone really expected, tallying 158 tackles in 21 career starts. Perryman, the only Butkus semifinalist in the ACC, has blossomed into UM's best defensive player despite being thrown into the fire right away as an undersized freshman. CBSSports rates him as the eighth-best draft-eligible outside linebacker and a potential second or third round pick in April. FSU's Jones, meanwhile, sits atop the board as the top projected inside linebacker by CBSSports and a second round pick. Teammate Telvin Smith ranks 12th among outside linebackers and a potential fourth rounder.

> Real edge: FSU. Jones (33 tackles, 4.5 TFL, 2 sacks) and Smith (49 tackles, 5 TFL, 1 INT, 1 sack) are elite players. UM has one in Perryman and a couple overachievers. It should be noted by the way Jones plays a lot of defensive end, too and told reporters in Tallahassee this week he sees himself as a defensive end now.


> Miami: CB Tracy Howard (5-11, 184, So., 5-star, No. 1 CB in 2012 by Rivals); Ladarius Gunter (6-2, 196, Jr., 3-star, unranked JUCO in 2012); Antonio Crawford (5-11, 187, So., 3-star, unranked CB by Rivals); Artie Burns (6-0, 190, Fr., 4-star, No. 15 CB in 2013 by Rivals); S Kacy Rodgers (6-2, 212, Sr., 3-star, No. 37 CB in 2010 by Rivals); Rayshawn Jenkins (6-1, 208, So., 3-star, No. 32 S in 2012 by Rivals); Deon Bush (6-1, 203, So., 4-star, No. 6 S in 2012 by Rivals); AJ Highsmith (6-0, 208, Sr., 3-star, unranked ATH in 2009 by Rivals).

> FSU: CB Lamarcus Joyner (5-8, 190, Sr. 5-star, No. 1 CB in 2010 by Rivals); P.J. Williams (6-0, 190, So., 4-star, No. 9 S in 2012 by Rivals); Ronald Darby (5-11, 190, So., 4-star, No. 2 CB in 2012 by Rivals); Nick Waisome (5-10, 176, Jr., 4-star, No. 8 CB in 2011 by Rivals); S Jalen Ramsey (6-1, 195, Fr., 5-star, No. 3 CB in 2013 by Rivals); Terrence Brooks (5-11, 200, Sr., 3-star, No. 45 CB by Rivals in 2010); Keelin Smith (6-3, 185, R-So., 3-star, No. 34 CB in 2011 by Rivals); Nate Andrews (5-11, 208, Fr., 3-star, unranked ATH in 2013 by Rivals).

> Recruiting edge: FSU. Outside of Howard, Burns and Bush, Miami's secondary is made up of mid-level talent according to recruiting gurus. While FSU has two five star recruits starting (one at corner and one at safety) and the rest of its corners are all four-star prospects.

> What's happened: FSU has allowed the fewest passing yards in the country (153.7), ranks fifth in passing efficiency defense (97.34), has 29 pass breakups and 10 interceptions (two returned for touchdowns). Joyner, a player FSU took out of UM's backyard at St. Thomas Aquinas, has been dominant. He's posted 27 tackles, 1 INT, 3 sacks, 3 pass breakups and 3 forced fumbles in his senior season and is projected to be the second free safety taken in April's draft according to CBS Sports. Brooks, his teammate, has 22 tackles, 4 PBUs, 2 FF and 2 INTs. He's projected to be a third or fourth rounder. UM ranks 17th in pass defense (200.6 yards per game) 10th in passing efficiency defense) and has 22 passes broken up and 12 interceptions. Howard leads the way with three.

> Real edge: FSU. Miami, obviously a lot younger than FSU in the secondary, didn't look good against the one good pass offense it faced in North Carolina, which completed 74.4 percent of its passes for 395 yards. Tight end Eric Ebron abused Miami. FSU hasn't had a bad game yet in pass defense and held Tahj Boyd and Clemson to only 203 yards passing. Opponents are only completing passes at a 52.2 percent clip against FSU, which is also allowing only 5.2 yards per attempt.


> Miami: K Matt Goudis (6-0, 172, So., 2-star, No. 13 kicker in 2011 by Rivals); P Pat O'Donnell (6-5, 220, Gr., 2-star, unranked in 2009 by Rivals); KR/PR Stacy Coley (6-1, 180, Fr., 4-star, No. 13 WR in 2013 by Rivals); KR Duke Johnson (5-9, 196, So., 5-star, No. 1 all-purpose running back by Rivals in 2012).

> FSU: K Roberto Aguayo (6-1, 203, R-Fr., 3-star, No. 3 kicker in 2012 by Rivals); P Cason Beatty (6-3, 229, So. 2-star, unranked kicker in 2012 by Rivals); KR Lamarcus Joyner (5-8, 180, Sr., 5-star, No. 1 CB in 2010 by Rivals); KR Karlos Williams (6-1, 223, Jr., 5-star, No. 2 safety in 2011 by Rivals.com); PR Kenny Shaw (6-0, 170, Sr., 4-star, No. 14 WR in 2010 by Rivals).

> Recruiting edge: None really. But it is noteworthy Aguayo got a three-star rating. Kickers rarely do.

> What's happened: The Hurricanes lead the nation in kickoff return average thanks to Johnson (29.23 average) and Coley (1 kick return for a TD). FSU does a better job on punt returns (29th, 11.79 yard average) compared to UM (62nd, 8.09 yard average). When it comes to punting, O'Donnell (45.67 average) has saved the Hurricanes a couple times with big kicks. Beatty is averaging 40.3 yards a punt. Aguayo has converted all 58 kicks in his career (10 field goals, 48 PATs) and has a career-long of 45 yards. Goudis also hit a 45-yard field goal against Wake Forest, but has missed his last two kicks from 40 yards or more (43 and 40).

> Real edge: Even. Both teams have explosive return men and Miami has an edge with O'Donnell. But if it comes down to making a big kick Aguayo has the stronger track record.




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HarrietTubmanCane said: So i'm not going be "just happy" with 7-0, until I know we are straight for the future. how many times have we been this pumped up, and been deflated back to the reality of self-imposed mediocrity.

Your above statement makes no sense as we haven't sniffed this type of record or ranking in about 10 years.

That post reeks of jealousy, because now U want to discuss whats in our subconscious instead of what we are saying. U can't read minds, discuss the many points at hand.

If the mentality of the past has no utility today, then does Golden allow former players to address his teams pre and post games? It seems golden is somewhat stuck there as well or at least he sees some good in *the past that produced 5 NC's*.

Where did I dump on the team?

Just because U are in panic/emergency mode due to Golden's name being mentioned along side responsibility and accountability, does not mean the team is being dumped on or need your protection from the evil bloggers.

U say that The University of Miami is "lucky to even have a coach"? Dude U caught up, hook, line, and sinker. Totally indoctrinated with excuses and mediocrity. U still believe in Santa don't U?

I, also, noticed notion which Hurricane partisans haven't mentioned in the M-H... THE DUKE!

Remember this y'all Cane loyalists. THE DUKE is totally HEALTHY going into Saturday's prime time game on national telly. A significant factor which wasn't true last season against F.S.U.

Last season, THE DUKE was probably at 85% regarding his physical health, i.e, THE DUKE had a couple of lingering injuries going into Seminole week. One could also argue that THE DUKE had reached his plateau in his freshmen season by the F.S.U. game.

Then, there's the fact THE DUKE has gained 13/14 pounds of lean, mean muscle mass. SEE his use of the old school stiff-arm and what not.

Believe it or not. I absolutely envision THE DUKE having a very good game against the Seminole's.

Posted by: D | October 31, 2013 at 06:55 PM

Of all the tangibles/intangibles going into Saturday night's game. I absolutely believe THE DUKE will be the difference maker for Goldie's team on offense.

Tubby's faux voice of reason is nonsense. Hater, never has anything good to say. 7-0 must be killing her.

Those are two different sentences Cola, U are reaching again. The second sentence is not referencing records, its referencing games and times where we have been ranked, excited and poised to breakthrough before losing games like the Virginia Tech rain game or the Ohio State game at the Horseshoe.

Your above statement makes no sense as we haven't sniffed this type of record or ranking in about 10 years.

Posted by: ColaCane | November 01, 2013 at 01:09 PM

Actually, it's been EIGHT seasons since Miami, Florida has been in a game of this immense, significance.

SEE the Hurricanes double-digit of Beamer Ball at Blacksburg in November of 2005.

Both teams were ranked in both major college football polls at the time and Va.Tech was a - 5 1/2 point favorite.

GatorKillerCane/mountaincane/86Cane--same dude. U never have anything good to say, practice what U so subjectively preach.

Plenty of good to say about the Canes. Nothing good to say about you and your tribe because you are a hater.

I have no qualms with y'all's constant, steady BICKERING and MOANING and GROANING.

But don't y'all think it's about time to CHIT-CAN that smack and collectively CHANNEL the INNER Golden LIGHT upon Goldie's squad ( No pun intended. ).

Because Miami, Florida needs all the help it can get. Be it 4th-D or otherworldly assistance.

Seeing that NOBODY in the major college football realm gives the Hurricanes a chance.

Indoctrinated with excuses and mediocrity??? Again Tubs your responses are just plain stupid. You apparently don't get it. NO ONE wanted to coach at the U, they didn't want to deal with the NCAA and we couldn't shell out the big $$$, but AG knew that with work and persistence and a few good recruiting classes, we could be good again. That's right (GOOD) again, not NATIONAL TITLE teams of the 80's, 90's, or 01. You have to get good, before you become excellent, and right now, we're getting good. We're on the threshold, and patience is needed.

Tidbits of the Orange nd' Green sort and what not.

According to the Sin City line-maker's, in the past 10 games between the Seminoles and Miami, Florida. The margin of victory HAS NOT been greater than " 14 points. "

The Vegas line-maker's said that the opening line was INTENTIONALLY " inflated, " because F.S.U. is a public wagering favorite, i.e., the Seminoles are 7-0 against the spread.

Where is it (the good U post)?

I aint a hater, I'm just not a sucka. I'm not a yes man and I don't fall for anything. Lies have never benefitted me in anyway during my time on Earth, so I have no use, affinity for nor need to uphold them. If thats what U have morphed into the definition of a hater, then thats me.

But U hate that U love it.

Yes, it's absolutely a F-A-C-T that no head coach of SIGNIFICANCE wanted to take the University of Miami, Florida Hurricane football job after the firing of Larry Coker. hUh

And nothing against one Randy Shannon, but Coach Shannon was a 4th/5h choice hire. In other words, the POWERS THAT BE within the University had no other option than to hire a FAMILY MEMBER and what not.

But that's neither here or there, now.

WestCoast Cane is weak--the buoy left a suicide letter on this joint.

Posted by: HarrietTubmanCane | November 01, 2013 at 12:47 PM


Chit, ask Broadway Joey if he and his Jet teammates didn't believe they could come away with a victory over MIGHTY Baltimore back in the day. hUh

By the way, the Colt's was a - 14 1/2 point favorite. And they wasn't even playing in Memorial Stadium. hUh

U don't get it Cola, U have zero proof that no one wanted to coach here. Al Golden did and there were many others obviously. U believe what ever U are told or fed by those who aren't doing their jobs and are responsible for the mediocrity.

U really want to believe this story of overcoming the odds to reinvent process thru the Great Golden, but this stuff was a decision by the elites at UM. "Get more for less" was the philosophy they enacted after Coker won that auto-pilot NC.

A great coach + 70% committal of the South Floridian football talent = a NC

Point Blank Period

U can bloviate all that "process" to protect the bosses all U want while the pocket our ticket money, but I see no utility in being a flunky.

Once again, I don't have to be patient with self-inflicted adversity.

I'm not a yes man either, I'm just not an unrealistic fan, and if you can't see that we're a MUCH better team than we've been in a VERY long time, then you've got issues. Our O is better, our D is better, our record is better, that pretty much sums it up.

Well, at least the good ol' boys at CS/eoth have got their " swagger " back and what not.

Because earlier in the week, the vast majority of those bUbba's at that CS/eoth were playing the WOE IS MY CANES card. hUh LOL

We are better, thats never been questioned by me. But I'm not all about "the now, so shut up and enjoy it" mentality. I'm about the past, present, and future. And my posts will reflect that no matter what anyone says.

I'm not a yes man either, I'm just not an unrealistic fan, and if you can't see that we're a MUCH better team than we've been in a VERY long time, then you've got issues. Our O is better, our D is better, our record is better, that pretty much sums it up.

Posted by: ColaCane | November 01, 2013 at 01:37 PM


And if Goldie's squad doesn't get MASSACRED on national telly, then the Hurricanes are on their way back to becoming a major player again in college football.

I'm about the past, present, and future. And my posts will reflect that no matter what anyone says.

Posted by: HarrietTubmanCane | November 01, 2013 at 01:42 PM

I do believe that's a wee-bit too DEEP for the vast majority of Hurricane loyalists. Be it here or at that CS/eoth. hUh

Nevertheless, do carry on!

Then thats sad D, and not my issue. Whats your prediction for saturday night D?

I'm winning 21 1/2 to nothing and the game hasn't started yet, I like that.

The answer was Ryan McNeil. Perfect for this matchup of two top 10 teams, since it was lower ranked Miami going into Tallahassee and beating #1 FSU in their house. So those that say it never happens, it does happen in this series quite often.

By committing an obvious pass interference in the end zone, it gave FSU the ball on the 18 rather than a TD. A couple of plays later, Wide Right 1 happened, leading to the famous Bobby Bowden quote: "They are going to chisel on my tombstone, 'He played Miami.'" If he does not prevent the catch, Miami loses and FSU likely moves on the the national championship rather than being a deflated team that finishes 10-2.

I found this very good article by Manny about Ryan McNeil, BTW.


So that is why I say that Joe Rose was wrong in that it was not the greatest penalty call in favor of Miami.

LOL,this blog cracks me up!!! Go canes! A bunch of winners in here,just root for Miami to win
Give support and stfu about what we should and shouldn't be doing on Saturday. I'm the biggest supporting fan around,but I do thing we're getting beat. Hope not but..LOL
I wont be calling for AG head if we get stomped. Just move one to the next game

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