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Counting stars: Why Al Golden is still very much trying to rebuild the Miami Hurricanes

It's easy to argue second-ranked Florida State was a deeper and more talented team than the Hurricanes two weeks ago and ultimately that's as big a reason as any why the Seminoles turned a close game at haftime into a 41-14 rout.

And it clearly was. Go back and read the Counting Stars blog I did before the game it shows you the Seminoles were not only deeper but loaded with more overall blue-chip talent position-by-position.

What's been irking most fans about Miami's loss to Virginia Tech (7-3, 4-2 ACC) last weekend at home -- aside from the perceived poor coaching by defensive coordinator Mark D'Onofrio -- is that UM should be on par with the Hokies in terms of overall talent, if not loaded with more.

This Saturday afternoon's game at Duke (7-2, 3-2 ACC) should be a case where the Hurricanes are clearly the more talented and deeper team. But the truth is the talent gap isn't as wide as one might believe.

Duke's starting lineup for instance features six three-star prospects on offense (QB Anthony Boone, RB Josh Snead, WR Jamison Crowder, LT Takoby Cofield, LG Dave Harding, RG Laken Tomlinson) and six on defense (S Jeremy Cash, CB Ross Cockrell, DE Justin Foxx, DE Kenny Anunike, LB Kelby Brown, LB David Helton). There's depth too with another dozen 3-star prospects as backups.

Virginia Tech's offense featured four 4-star prospects in the starting lineup (QB Logan Thomas, TB Trey Edmunds, WR DJ Coles, RT Brent Benedict) and five other 3-star prospects. The defense featured 5-star recruit Kendall Fuller at outside linebacker, four-star safety Kyshoen Jarrett and three-star recruits everywhere else. The only players considered hidden gems: LB Jack Tyler (no stars) and defensive tackle Luther Maddy (2-stars). The Hokies were also loaded with experience (309 career starts on defense and 149 on offense).

The recruiting star-system obviously isn't a perfect science. Some 5-star kids bomb and some two-star kids turn into gems. But what the system does tell you at least pretty clearly is how heavily recruited each player is.

Five-star recruits are blue-chippers with offers from many, if not all of the country's top BCS programs. Four-star recruits aren't far behind, and three-star recruits generally have between five to 10 offers from decent Division I programs. Two-star recruits and below are players considered reaches and usually players with only one or two legit offers to play at the FBS level.

The Hurricanes have had higher-ranked recruiting classes (15th in 2009; 16th in 2010; 36th in 2011; 9th in 2012; 20th in 2013) than Virginia Tech (23rd in 2009; 23rd in 2010; 33rd in 2011; 22nd in 2012; 23rd in 2013) and Duke (51st in 2009; 71st in 2010; 76th in 2011; 52nd in 2012; 67th in 2013) over the last five years according to Rivals.com.

But that only explains a small part of the story.

Miami signed 118 players over the last five seasons and 42 that helped make those classes Top 25-worthy ran into trouble at one point or another, cutting their careers at UM short. That's nearly 36 percent.

Some never or haven't made it into school, some transferred, some were forced out because of discipline issues and some had injuries they never recovered from. All the while for the past three years, UM has had to also deal with an NCAA cloud over its head.

SHANNON'S FINAL TWO CLASSES

A look back at Randy Shannon's last two recruiting classes (2009 and 2010) and Al Golden's first three (2011, 2012, 2013) better illustrate the point below.

> Of the 48 players Randy Shannon signed in his final two recruiting classes, three left early for the draft (Lamar Miller, Brandon Washington, Olivier Vernon all 4-star recruits) and three used up their eligibility (3-star TE Chase Ford, 4-star CB Brandon McGee and 4-star RB Mike James).

> The more eye-opening number? A total of 21 signees from those two classes either transferred or ran into academic or discipline issues. Two were 5-star recruits (defensive backs Ray-Ray Armstrong and Latwan Anderson) and another six were 4-star recruits (defensive tackle Tavadis Glenn, linebacker Travis Williams, offensive lineman Jermaine Johnson, defensive end Dyron Dye, defensive back Jamal Reid and running back Storm Johnson).

> Of the 21 players Shannon recruited still at UM, one is a 5-star recruit (OL Seantrel Henderson), four are 4-star recruits (OL Malcolm Bunche, RB Eduardo Clements, OL Brandon Linder and DT Luther Robinson), a dozen are 3-star recruits (QB Stephen Morris, WR Allen Hurns, OL Jon Feliciano, FB Maurice Hagens, C Shane McDermott, DE Shayon Green, S Kacy Rodgers, LB Tyrone Cornelius among the notables) and four are two-star recruits (TE Clive Walford, TE Asante Cleveland, LB Kelvin Cain, LB Jimmy Gaines).

> UM recruited 24 defensive players between 2009 and 2010. A total of 13 either transferred or ran into academic or discipline issues. Two are in the NFL (Brandon McGee, Olivier Vernon), six are still here serving as starters (Curtis Porter, Shayon Green, Tyrone Cornelius, Kacy Rodgers, Jimmy Gaines, AJ Highsmith) and three are career backups (Luther Robinson, David Perry, Kelvin Cain).

TRANSITION YEAR

Golden had six weeks after being named UM's coach in December 2010 to wrap up the Hurricanes 2011 signing class, which makes up UM's juniors and redshirt sophomore class. He reeled in 18 recruits including 13 on defense.

Only two were four-star prospects: defensive ends Anthony Chickillo (12.5 sacks in 30 career starts) and Jalen Grimble (transferred to Oregon State this fall).

Of the eight 3-star defensive recruits, one (Dallas Crawford) was switched to running back, five are no longer with the program (CB Thomas Finnie, LB Gionni Paul, DE Ricardo Williams, LB Eddie Johnson, LB Antonio Kinard) and only two start (LB Denzel Perryman, DE Olsen Pierre). The other recruits: defensive tackle Corey King, linebacker Thurston Armrbister and JUCO defensive tackle Darius Smith (graduated) were late additions and nowhere on the recruiting radar.

The other five recruits in the 2011 class were receivers Phillip Dorsett (3-star) and Rashawn Scott (3-star), running back Kevin Grooms (3-star, now at Marshall), JUCO punter Dalton Botts (now gone) and Matt Goudis (2-star, now 7 of 11 on FGs in 2013).

GOLDEN YEARS

Where Golden has finally begun to catchup is in his last two recruiting classes.

The Hurricanes signed 33 players in 2012 (at least three more than any other program in the country).

Of that group a dozen have made instant impacts either as starters or backups. Those are: five-star prospects RB Duke Johnson and CB Tracy Howard, four-star prospects LT Ereck Flowers, WR Malcolm Lewis, S Deon Bush, DE Jelani Hamilton, LB Raphael Kirby and DE Tyriq McCord and three 3-star additions WR Herb Waters, S Rayshawn Jenkins, CB Antonio Crawford and CB Ladarius Gunter.

Another 11 serve as reserves (all 3-star prospects): DE Dwayne Hoillett, WR D'Mauri Jones, QB Gray Crow, OL Danny Isidora, OL Taylor Gadbois, DE Dwayne Hoillett, DT Earl Moore, LB Jawand Blue, TE Jake O'Donnell, CB Nate Dortch and CB Larry Hope.

But another group of 10 either never got in, aren't here anymore or ended their football careers early. Among those: 4-star WR Angelo Jean-Louis (never got in) and WR Robert Lockhart (transfer) and 3-stars prospects WR Jontavious Carter (transfer), RB Danny Dillard (transfer), QB Preston Dewey (back), QB David Thompson (baseball only), CB Vernon Davis (West Virginia), DT Jacoby Briscoe, DT Dequan Ivery (Northeast Mississippi) and LB Josh Witt (concussions).

> The 2013 class featured 19 recruits including nine four-star recruits. But of that group, only 16 are physically at UM (ATH Ryheem Lockley, WR Derrick Griffin and LB Devante Bond aren't).

A group of seven are already in the two-deep: WR Stacy Coley (4-star), RB Gus Edwards (3-star), FB Walter Tucker (2-star), TE Beau Sandland (4-star), CB Corn Elder (4-star), DE Ufomba Kamalu (2-star), CB Artie Burns (4-star).

Another four play in reserve duty and on special teams: DE Quan Muhammad (4-star), DB Jamal Carter (4-star), LB Jermaine Grace (4-star) and OL Alex Gall (3-star).

And another five appear headed toward a redshirt: TE Standish Dobard (3-star), QB Kevin Olsen (4-star), CB Ray Lewis III (3-star), OL Sunny Odogwu (3-star) and OL Hunter Knighton (3-star).

TALENT EVALUATORS

Even if you believe UM's recent struggles have to do with poor coaching, player development or play-calling, you can't ignore the amount of attrition the Hurricanes have endured the last five years.

Just because UM has had decent recruiting class rankings the last five years doesn't mean the shelves are loaded with enough talent for this program to be "back."

I spoke to three different recruiting analysts Thursday who all said the same thing: Miami is not deep enough anywhere and the overall talent isn't good enough to be a legit contender this year. And it probably won't be for another year or two at least.

Why? In part because Golden was dealing with an NCAA mess and in trying to do so probably took some players early in the recruiting process that normally wouldn't be at UM if they were sanction-free. 

The 2014 class, however, appears to be the start to the road back. The defensive line haul is impressive. Brad Kaaya is considered by many to be UM's best quarterback recruit in some time. The offensive line is also very good.

What talent is here now is young and growing. The older talent? One could argue Golden and his staff tried to squeeze as much out of it as they could.

I spoke with Tony Pauline of DraftInsider.net Wednesday. Who does he like among Miami's draft-eligible 2014 class of seniors and juniors?

"None of them really," he said. "I liked Morris a lot going into the season. He's shown some ability at times this year, but at other times he just makes passes and you scratch your head and say 'What the [heck] was that all about?' Too much inconsistency.

"Seantrel Henderson. He's the same thing to a much greater degree. Off the field issues. He just hasn't seemed to elevate his game.

"I do like Perryman a lot. The thing with him is going to be size, speed issues. I think Linder is going to be a late day steal. I think Linder in the right system can be a 10-year pro. I think he's going to be a guy drafted somewhere in the later rounds.

"I do like Jimmy Gaines. In the sense he's elevated his game, his head is in the right direction. Gaines you're thinking at best a late round pick or somebody who works his way onto the roster as a free agent. And then Allen Hurns, who is probably a last day guy. That's it."

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and statistically stephen morris has already passed kosar.....and still has 3 more games to go...

kosar - 5971 yards and 40 TD's
morris - 6847 and 42 TD's

so yes...morris is better than kosar, in fact morris throw a better deep ball than kosar ever did.....if morris has the right coach he wouldn't be where is is now....

typos, liked AB, college football insiders not outsiders

My Gators would light themselves on fire and crawl across broken glass to have this year's Canes win/loss record and head coach.

We would also gargle acid if we could have the Canes 2014 recruiting class.

If we Gators could change places with the Canes and be looking at their future I would even stop shooting people for a couple of months.


IF you don’t have or develop football IQ…you are still at a disadvantage. By the way, football IQ is a coaching requirement too.


Posted by: RichmondHeightsCane | November 15, 2013 at 06:23 PM

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Voila... it would also help the Hurricanes defensive with a defensive scheme which suit's the player's strengths and what not.

Because this NON-ATTACKING, soft zone crap may work in the M.A.C., but it ain't getting it done at the B.C.S. level of action. hUh

Cool cat I heard the opposite about RS/AB so I guess the truth is somewhere in the middle.

But you can't deny he balled out when he got back home!

and lets not forget we are talking about kosar at UM....

UM all time passing yards:

1. dorsey 9565 / 86 TD
2. harris 8826 / 70 TD
3. toretta 7690 / 47 TD
4. MORRIS 6847 / 42 TD (3 more games to go)
5. testaverde 6058 / 48 TD
6. erickson 6056 / 46 TD
7. clement 6004 / 36 TD
8. KOSAR 5971 / 40 TD

yes morris is better than kosar

DE Chickillo was a 4-Star player coming out of H.S. But the defensive scheme and added weight has hindered is play. Nothing more, nothing less.

Duke has more to play for, it's a home game for them and the weather will be cloudy, but with no rain thankfully, and in the mid 60's at kickoff dropping towards the mid 50's by the end of the game. UM, even without the RB and WR leaders of those respective corps, has a decided talent advantage, Cutcliffe is a better coach and made it a game last year when at halftime it was a blowout. Buckle your seat belts Hurricane fans, THE WORST POSTER IN ALL OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL and his sockpuppets are going to need to sharpen their excuses even if the Hurricanes squeak by with a win Saturday night and I wouldn't lay a point, much less three and a half, with your money or mine.

Never will this coach win. He got rid of a lot of talent and has not coached the talent that remained. Charge his rip off of funds to a great con man. Take the loss, after next year, and move on. As they say here in backwards Jacksonville, this dog ain't gonna hunt.

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/umiami/2013/11/dorsett-listed-as-doubtful-on-canes-injury-report-sign-he-could-be-back-soon/comments/page/2/#comments#storylink=cpy

Players do transfer, at every football program. Al Golden does have players that transfer at a higher rate than others, including Muschamp. That is then used as a reason for his failure. As terrible as Muschamp is, never has that been used as his cause of failure. In backwards Jacksonville, they list everything that goes on in Gainesville. The players Golden targets are typically those that transfer. He is building in an excuse for his failure.

I never felt we would be a title contender this year bc I knew our talent wasn't there but I never imagined we would struggle with gt unc wake get blown out by vt and be worried about freaking duke. It's true we don't have the talent of a nc caliber team or even fsu but we have more talent than those acc teams. Sigh.....

All i want to know is, what exactly is the definition of "being back", is it now being insinuated that we have to "be back"(i assuming it means to the 2001 level on back) to beat duke now, get real. Trying to come up with excuses on why we might lose to duke is pathetic, it's going to all boil down to coaching, point blank and i said it before this season, coach goldie is not a better coach than coach cutliffe, mike london, paul johnson, beamer, gumbo fisher, i can go on & on how many coaches coach goldie is not better than in the acc alone, let alone the country.

Where was star search for the Gators game?

Keep Miami kids here and execute on the field. Keep it simple.

Morris has played far more games than Kosar did at UM, statistics don't make you a better quarterback Gallo

Fire Golden and hire ME!

Yes they do......it's the only way to measure individual achievement .....Morris is a better an than kosar

Golden is a above average recruiter with a below average football philosophy. It's funny no one is on here screaming about how much talent he develops.

In three years here has this staff even developed 1 all American on defense? And not freshman all American. I can't recall this staff even developing a single third team all American hell this staff barely develops all acc defenders.

You have the under armor game mvp and what have they done to help him develop in three years. The fact his best year was as a freshman is pitiful

Lock down the best tri-county recruits and this coaching staff will lead us to a championship. Same formula for success as it's always been.

GALLO:

How many Championships has Morris won?

You think he'll have a 15yr plus career as starting QB in the NFL?

And Morris is better than Kosar...

Dude the crack pipe down for a while...

You so stupid you make me laugh.

StormsCominBitches
Storm and Bridgewater didn't leave because Shannon was fired you Randy Shannon fanatic. Bridgewater didn't like the system before Randy was fired and backed out of his commitment 4 weeks before he was fired. Storm Johnson didn't want to earn the starting position. He wanted to go somewhere where he can play right away and he didn't want to be part of a running back corp by committee. If you want the article on Bridgewater, I have it. As far as Storm and quite a few other players, I got my info directly from them...not any hearsay. A matter of fact, a lot of players who Randy recruited didn't like playing for him after their 2nd and 3rd yr. One player told me that he was glad he had a chance to play under Golden's staff at least 1 yr prior to going to the nfl. Another player who committed to Alabama told me at a Miami Lakes park that he didn't come here because of Shannon. Shannon disowned Miami Central. #8 for FSU despises Randy for not recruiting him. I have first hand stories for days. If some of you don't know the facts or you want to get any info verified, just ask. As far as our current coaches goes, I like Golden, but I don't like his partner the D coord. I disagree with Calvin and Gallo the high majority of the time especially because they spew out a lot of inaccurate info, but one thing I do agree with them on lately is that I hear a lot of excuses nowadays when it comes to our performance on the field.

NORMAN:

For the record i'm not Shannon supporter.

But Shannon did recruit Teddy B and he did leave because Shannon and the program was going under and he knew it.

Plus Clint Hurt convinced him to leave Miami and probably gave him the inside scoop on the wreck that Shannon had made at Miami.

Any smart kid WOULD leave Miami, i don't blame Teddy B for that.

As for the "excuses"... did you bother reading the past couple Manny articles about the recruiting mess and classes we've been pulling in because of the NCAA investigation.

Truth is you need top horses to run for the Championship.

Miami Heat? They ain't winning 2-3 Championships without their top horses.

FSU has been recruiting amazing classes for 10 years... and are only getting around to competing for #1 this year.

Now that was FAILURE. They had the talent for past 3 years and couldn't get past Wake Forest, UNC either.

So when you use facts and reasoning, this UM team has been exceeding their abilities for 2 years now.

When Golden gets in the types of recruits he wants with the NCAA off his back, then the STORMS COMIN B*TCHES!

Yo Calvin,

I ain't gone let them forget what Al was saying before the season began. LMAO. Manny has to make up his mind.
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In case you hadn't heard Golden say it the first time, he said it again Saturday. His team is bigger, more mature. And in college football that matters quite a bit. Aside from that four letter word Golden doesn't want to use (the NCAA), size and maturity have been Miami's biggest obstacles on the field the last two years (specifically on defense).

Two years ago -- Golden points out -- half the team couldn't pass the conditioning test. He had everyone out on the field at 5:30 a.m. to do extra conditioning so they could try to be physically ready to go. It took away focus. Saturday the team began fall camp without schedules, Golden said. "We're having the leaders run it," he said.

Especially when Golden says things like this Saturday: "We didn't have anybody not pass the [conditioning] test for the first time since I've been here... They demolished it, absolutely crushed it."

"Man, look at you guys," Golden shouted as he stared particularly at his collection of linemen and linebackers. "Wooh! We got some size baby!"

Lack of size is no longer an excuse. At least it wasn't Saturday. In fact, for the first time Golden was hooting and hollering about how big his guys looked.
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This was in August. Wow how time flies. Now it's the lack of talent. SMH

Arguing with you haters is like arguing with the crazy guy on the corner....

Waste of time....

I'd rather be scratching my nuts....


huh...

We had 2 years of Jacory playing hurt and 1 year of Morris hurt. Damn shame

Canes' problems are NOT with the players.
The players who want to go to Miami are the best in the country.

Miami's problems are SOLELY caused by goldie and d'o moron 3 down linemen and LBs 5 yards off of the LOS who can not stop a run for less than 5 yards and D'O's worthless zone NO pass coverage bend and break NO defense which allows first and tens for whole games because goldie and D'O are morons and do NOT know anything about defense. When are moron fans and moron AD and moron BofT going to get it?????????

What i get is you's delusional Canefan72...

Or senile...

Either way, just dopey...

scratching my nuts still...

Gimme something better to work with dummy...

Who do u guys think is worse Patrick nix or dno? It's bubble screen vs soft zone

Canefan72 is funny.

morons who do not know that a great attacking defense wins games and championships are not funny, they are pathetic.

goldie and d'o have a bend and break, prevent-the-win give up yardage until the other team gets points.

It does no good for morris and the offense to score 38 points when the other team scores 42 points because goldie and d'o and fans and the AD and shalalalala are all morons.


Players do transfer, at every football program. Al Golden does have players that transfer at a higher rate than others, including Muschamp. That is because he inherited a toxic, losing program from Randy Shannon where players were not dedicated and that is the reason for their failure. As terrible as Muschamp is, he never had to face the challenges that Golden has--not even close! I live in backwards Jacksonville, they list everything that goes on in Gainesville, which the truth is I am a Gator fan. The players Golden targets are typically high integrity team players. He is building an empire and the haters hope he is a failure.

So I'm guessing this article justifies a lost to Duke.


Who do u guys think is worse me or Gallo? It's nit wit vs a lamebrain!


Fire Muschamp and hire ME!

My Gators won't even qualify for a bowl game.

Breaking News: Jeremy Foley sent a registered letter to the Vanderbilt Athletic Director stating they will no longer play the Commodores.


Tackling and not fumbling wins games so I'm told. But what do us morons know anyway.

I see you want to include me in your senseless mess again. You do not have a valid point and Al Golden is the basis of too many excuses.

Coaches at the University of Miami use their success to speak for them. Until the snow-job Al Golden has provided and many followers bought into.

Better find another team to root for cause your bitching is really tiring.

Well it's been fun guys but when someone posts falsely under me I know it's time to go. I had a good going back and forth with you all even Zook cuz at the end of the day our end girl is and always will be the same. But seeing someone do that makes me question ppls sanity maturity and just general fukedupdness. And makes me remember how many demented ppl are out there cuz u don't avoid shitt cuz u scared but cuz its dirty do its been fun guys


I want to include you in my senseless mess again. I do not have a valid point, other than Al Golden is the basis of an empire he's building.

Coaches at the University of Florida use their lack of success to speak for them. Until the snow-job Muschamp has provided and many followers bought into.


Muschamp is a above average recruiter with a below average football philosophy. It's funny no one is on here screaming about how much talent he develops.


DE Chickillo was a 4-Star player coming out of H.S. But the defensive scheme and added weight thanks to U-Tough has bolstered his play and he is now a 5 star player. Possibly even more, but nothing less.


This was in August. Wow how time flies. Now it's the lack of talent. SMH

Posted by: J'Ville Cane | November 15, 2013 at 08:30 PM

Tackling and not fumbling wins games so I'm told. But what do us morons know anyway.

Posted by: Kinetic Cane | November 15, 2013 at 09:45 PM

Better find another team to root for cause your bitching is really tiring.

Posted by: Kinetic Cane | November 15, 2013 at 09:59 PM

Posts of the night from Kinetic Cane!

Bottom line, kids need to make plays on the field. Tackle, not fumble, don't throw ints. We had more than enough chances against VT.

Let's move on.

Where was star search for the Gators game?

Keep Miami kids here and execute on the field. Keep it simple.

Posted by: Next Man []_[]p | November 15, 2013 at 07:04 PM
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Great question, coach goldie running to the corner the endzone to the student section, for what, what was he trying to signify back than!

If the only thing that matters is having the players, why do we pay a head coach 2 million dollars and his assistants 500k? It's apparent no matter how we do tomorrow against Duke it will be the players fault if we lose.

Yo Calvin,

I ain't gone let them forget what Al was saying before the season began. LMAO. Manny has to make up his mind.
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In case you hadn't heard Golden say it the first time, he said it again Saturday. His team is bigger, more mature. And in college football that matters quite a bit. Aside from that four letter word Golden doesn't want to use (the NCAA), size and maturity have been Miami's biggest obstacles on the field the last two years (specifically on defense).

Two years ago -- Golden points out -- half the team couldn't pass the conditioning test. He had everyone out on the field at 5:30 a.m. to do extra conditioning so they could try to be physically ready to go. It took away focus. Saturday the team began fall camp without schedules, Golden said. "We're having the leaders run it," he said.

Especially when Golden says things like this Saturday: "We didn't have anybody not pass the [conditioning] test for the first time since I've been here... They demolished it, absolutely crushed it."

"Man, look at you guys," Golden shouted as he stared particularly at his collection of linemen and linebackers. "Wooh! We got some size baby!"

Lack of size is no longer an excuse. At least it wasn't Saturday. In fact, for the first time Golden was hooting and hollering about how big his guys looked.
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This was in August. Wow how time flies. Now it's the lack of talent. SMH

Posted by: J'Ville Cane | November 15, 2013 at 08:30 PM
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lol, Coach goldie's football philosophy is so old and out-dated, he talks and makes statements like they were still only going in newspapers, great job with this post and here's another post that basically makes this article null & void, see below:
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Coach goldie talking matter-of-factly after the Sun-bowl, the last line says it all though:
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"I left there thinking that the things we need to do are fixable," Golden said Friday of the 33-17 loss in El Paso in which the 'Canes trailed by 27 in the fourth quarter.

He said he saw a team that needs to be smarter, tougher, more disciplined and better conditioned, but also has a lot of talent and didn't quit. Golden pointed to a goal-line stand in the third quarter.

"Which means there's a lot of pride in there and we've got to get it out," he said.

The Hurricanes finished the 2010 season with three consecutive losses and a 7-6 record, raising questions about the state of the program and how far it really is from being elite again. The Hurricanes' worst loss — the one that helped seal former coach Randy Shannon's fate — was 24-19 on Oct. 30 to Virginia. The Cavs beat only one other FBS team all season.

"This is a program that won seven games, but really had a chance to win two others in South Florida and Virginia," Golden said. "So we could be, with the right kids in the right places, moving forward in this recruiting class and getting the team all on the same page. It doesn't need to take a couple of years to get this thing going."
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Now all of a sudden, we got coach goldie talking about depth and needing more time, an people here talking about team depth, when the fact still remains, these last to games had nothing to do with depth, the starters were the ones getting torched early and often.

Calvin, he's nothing but a sound bite and will say anything to try and deflect blame from his mediocre Penn State emulation fetish when it comes to football. Better than the golden shower fetishists that follow him anywhere though.

Anybody think the game plan this week will be any different on defense or will it be 3-4 base sets until inside the five, loose coverage at the line by the CB's, zone coverage by the LB's predominantly, again, for the 34th time in a row?

Yeah, me neither.

Cool cat for your info brown went to kansas state. Not kansas. Big difference, genius.

The 2008 class was the most overhyped, overrated, under achieving, entitled, laziest in history

Busts all of them

Even sean spence.

Brandon washington? Where he at?
Please.

Randy shannon couldnt evaluate talent to save his life.

Arthur brown should stayed and been a playmaker here. Not in bumfk kansas.
Storm johnson
Devonte freeman should have been a cane
Nickaluses grandson should have been a cane

Only mike james is worth anything. And in miami he had 1 good yr

Lamar miller had 7 carries for 3 yards last game.

Miller's pro output has nothing to do with his college output where he's one of only seven rushers at UM to top 1000 yards in a season. The 2008 seniors played every game within one score, unlike the 2013 seniors who spent three years in this system and have now gotten trounced by good to average teams, in a rivalry game and on homecoming.

Time to get another sockpuppet on your hand to agree with yourself while ducking Alverage's blowout losing streak. THE WORST POSTER IN ALL OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL RELATED BLOGGING!

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