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Counting stars: Why Al Golden is still very much trying to rebuild the Miami Hurricanes

It's easy to argue second-ranked Florida State was a deeper and more talented team than the Hurricanes two weeks ago and ultimately that's as big a reason as any why the Seminoles turned a close game at haftime into a 41-14 rout.

And it clearly was. Go back and read the Counting Stars blog I did before the game it shows you the Seminoles were not only deeper but loaded with more overall blue-chip talent position-by-position.

What's been irking most fans about Miami's loss to Virginia Tech (7-3, 4-2 ACC) last weekend at home -- aside from the perceived poor coaching by defensive coordinator Mark D'Onofrio -- is that UM should be on par with the Hokies in terms of overall talent, if not loaded with more.

This Saturday afternoon's game at Duke (7-2, 3-2 ACC) should be a case where the Hurricanes are clearly the more talented and deeper team. But the truth is the talent gap isn't as wide as one might believe.

Duke's starting lineup for instance features six three-star prospects on offense (QB Anthony Boone, RB Josh Snead, WR Jamison Crowder, LT Takoby Cofield, LG Dave Harding, RG Laken Tomlinson) and six on defense (S Jeremy Cash, CB Ross Cockrell, DE Justin Foxx, DE Kenny Anunike, LB Kelby Brown, LB David Helton). There's depth too with another dozen 3-star prospects as backups.

Virginia Tech's offense featured four 4-star prospects in the starting lineup (QB Logan Thomas, TB Trey Edmunds, WR DJ Coles, RT Brent Benedict) and five other 3-star prospects. The defense featured 5-star recruit Kendall Fuller at outside linebacker, four-star safety Kyshoen Jarrett and three-star recruits everywhere else. The only players considered hidden gems: LB Jack Tyler (no stars) and defensive tackle Luther Maddy (2-stars). The Hokies were also loaded with experience (309 career starts on defense and 149 on offense).

The recruiting star-system obviously isn't a perfect science. Some 5-star kids bomb and some two-star kids turn into gems. But what the system does tell you at least pretty clearly is how heavily recruited each player is.

Five-star recruits are blue-chippers with offers from many, if not all of the country's top BCS programs. Four-star recruits aren't far behind, and three-star recruits generally have between five to 10 offers from decent Division I programs. Two-star recruits and below are players considered reaches and usually players with only one or two legit offers to play at the FBS level.

The Hurricanes have had higher-ranked recruiting classes (15th in 2009; 16th in 2010; 36th in 2011; 9th in 2012; 20th in 2013) than Virginia Tech (23rd in 2009; 23rd in 2010; 33rd in 2011; 22nd in 2012; 23rd in 2013) and Duke (51st in 2009; 71st in 2010; 76th in 2011; 52nd in 2012; 67th in 2013) over the last five years according to Rivals.com.

But that only explains a small part of the story.

Miami signed 118 players over the last five seasons and 42 that helped make those classes Top 25-worthy ran into trouble at one point or another, cutting their careers at UM short. That's nearly 36 percent.

Some never or haven't made it into school, some transferred, some were forced out because of discipline issues and some had injuries they never recovered from. All the while for the past three years, UM has had to also deal with an NCAA cloud over its head.

SHANNON'S FINAL TWO CLASSES

A look back at Randy Shannon's last two recruiting classes (2009 and 2010) and Al Golden's first three (2011, 2012, 2013) better illustrate the point below.

> Of the 48 players Randy Shannon signed in his final two recruiting classes, three left early for the draft (Lamar Miller, Brandon Washington, Olivier Vernon all 4-star recruits) and three used up their eligibility (3-star TE Chase Ford, 4-star CB Brandon McGee and 4-star RB Mike James).

> The more eye-opening number? A total of 21 signees from those two classes either transferred or ran into academic or discipline issues. Two were 5-star recruits (defensive backs Ray-Ray Armstrong and Latwan Anderson) and another six were 4-star recruits (defensive tackle Tavadis Glenn, linebacker Travis Williams, offensive lineman Jermaine Johnson, defensive end Dyron Dye, defensive back Jamal Reid and running back Storm Johnson).

> Of the 21 players Shannon recruited still at UM, one is a 5-star recruit (OL Seantrel Henderson), four are 4-star recruits (OL Malcolm Bunche, RB Eduardo Clements, OL Brandon Linder and DT Luther Robinson), a dozen are 3-star recruits (QB Stephen Morris, WR Allen Hurns, OL Jon Feliciano, FB Maurice Hagens, C Shane McDermott, DE Shayon Green, S Kacy Rodgers, LB Tyrone Cornelius among the notables) and four are two-star recruits (TE Clive Walford, TE Asante Cleveland, LB Kelvin Cain, LB Jimmy Gaines).

> UM recruited 24 defensive players between 2009 and 2010. A total of 13 either transferred or ran into academic or discipline issues. Two are in the NFL (Brandon McGee, Olivier Vernon), six are still here serving as starters (Curtis Porter, Shayon Green, Tyrone Cornelius, Kacy Rodgers, Jimmy Gaines, AJ Highsmith) and three are career backups (Luther Robinson, David Perry, Kelvin Cain).

TRANSITION YEAR

Golden had six weeks after being named UM's coach in December 2010 to wrap up the Hurricanes 2011 signing class, which makes up UM's juniors and redshirt sophomore class. He reeled in 18 recruits including 13 on defense.

Only two were four-star prospects: defensive ends Anthony Chickillo (12.5 sacks in 30 career starts) and Jalen Grimble (transferred to Oregon State this fall).

Of the eight 3-star defensive recruits, one (Dallas Crawford) was switched to running back, five are no longer with the program (CB Thomas Finnie, LB Gionni Paul, DE Ricardo Williams, LB Eddie Johnson, LB Antonio Kinard) and only two start (LB Denzel Perryman, DE Olsen Pierre). The other recruits: defensive tackle Corey King, linebacker Thurston Armrbister and JUCO defensive tackle Darius Smith (graduated) were late additions and nowhere on the recruiting radar.

The other five recruits in the 2011 class were receivers Phillip Dorsett (3-star) and Rashawn Scott (3-star), running back Kevin Grooms (3-star, now at Marshall), JUCO punter Dalton Botts (now gone) and Matt Goudis (2-star, now 7 of 11 on FGs in 2013).

GOLDEN YEARS

Where Golden has finally begun to catchup is in his last two recruiting classes.

The Hurricanes signed 33 players in 2012 (at least three more than any other program in the country).

Of that group a dozen have made instant impacts either as starters or backups. Those are: five-star prospects RB Duke Johnson and CB Tracy Howard, four-star prospects LT Ereck Flowers, WR Malcolm Lewis, S Deon Bush, DE Jelani Hamilton, LB Raphael Kirby and DE Tyriq McCord and three 3-star additions WR Herb Waters, S Rayshawn Jenkins, CB Antonio Crawford and CB Ladarius Gunter.

Another 11 serve as reserves (all 3-star prospects): DE Dwayne Hoillett, WR D'Mauri Jones, QB Gray Crow, OL Danny Isidora, OL Taylor Gadbois, DE Dwayne Hoillett, DT Earl Moore, LB Jawand Blue, TE Jake O'Donnell, CB Nate Dortch and CB Larry Hope.

But another group of 10 either never got in, aren't here anymore or ended their football careers early. Among those: 4-star WR Angelo Jean-Louis (never got in) and WR Robert Lockhart (transfer) and 3-stars prospects WR Jontavious Carter (transfer), RB Danny Dillard (transfer), QB Preston Dewey (back), QB David Thompson (baseball only), CB Vernon Davis (West Virginia), DT Jacoby Briscoe, DT Dequan Ivery (Northeast Mississippi) and LB Josh Witt (concussions).

> The 2013 class featured 19 recruits including nine four-star recruits. But of that group, only 16 are physically at UM (ATH Ryheem Lockley, WR Derrick Griffin and LB Devante Bond aren't).

A group of seven are already in the two-deep: WR Stacy Coley (4-star), RB Gus Edwards (3-star), FB Walter Tucker (2-star), TE Beau Sandland (4-star), CB Corn Elder (4-star), DE Ufomba Kamalu (2-star), CB Artie Burns (4-star).

Another four play in reserve duty and on special teams: DE Quan Muhammad (4-star), DB Jamal Carter (4-star), LB Jermaine Grace (4-star) and OL Alex Gall (3-star).

And another five appear headed toward a redshirt: TE Standish Dobard (3-star), QB Kevin Olsen (4-star), CB Ray Lewis III (3-star), OL Sunny Odogwu (3-star) and OL Hunter Knighton (3-star).

TALENT EVALUATORS

Even if you believe UM's recent struggles have to do with poor coaching, player development or play-calling, you can't ignore the amount of attrition the Hurricanes have endured the last five years.

Just because UM has had decent recruiting class rankings the last five years doesn't mean the shelves are loaded with enough talent for this program to be "back."

I spoke to three different recruiting analysts Thursday who all said the same thing: Miami is not deep enough anywhere and the overall talent isn't good enough to be a legit contender this year. And it probably won't be for another year or two at least.

Why? In part because Golden was dealing with an NCAA mess and in trying to do so probably took some players early in the recruiting process that normally wouldn't be at UM if they were sanction-free. 

The 2014 class, however, appears to be the start to the road back. The defensive line haul is impressive. Brad Kaaya is considered by many to be UM's best quarterback recruit in some time. The offensive line is also very good.

What talent is here now is young and growing. The older talent? One could argue Golden and his staff tried to squeeze as much out of it as they could.

I spoke with Tony Pauline of DraftInsider.net Wednesday. Who does he like among Miami's draft-eligible 2014 class of seniors and juniors?

"None of them really," he said. "I liked Morris a lot going into the season. He's shown some ability at times this year, but at other times he just makes passes and you scratch your head and say 'What the [heck] was that all about?' Too much inconsistency.

"Seantrel Henderson. He's the same thing to a much greater degree. Off the field issues. He just hasn't seemed to elevate his game.

"I do like Perryman a lot. The thing with him is going to be size, speed issues. I think Linder is going to be a late day steal. I think Linder in the right system can be a 10-year pro. I think he's going to be a guy drafted somewhere in the later rounds.

"I do like Jimmy Gaines. In the sense he's elevated his game, his head is in the right direction. Gaines you're thinking at best a late round pick or somebody who works his way onto the roster as a free agent. And then Allen Hurns, who is probably a last day guy. That's it."

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Calvin, I am nothing but a dumb sound bite and will say anything to try and garner attention from my mediocre life and Florida Gator emulation fetish when it comes to football. Better than the yellow peeee shower fetishists that I follow everywhere though.

Anybody think the game plan this week will be any different on defense or will it be another Muschamp disaster where he only changes it once Spurrier gets inside the five, loose coverage at the line by the CB's, zone coverage by the LB's predominantly, again, for the 34th time in a row?

Yeah, me neither.

PS: I try to imagine what you look like naked...


Tebow's pro output has nothing to do with his college output where he's one of only seven rushers at UF to top 1000 yards in a season. The 2008 Gator seniors played every game within one score, unlike the 2013 seniors who spent three years in this Muschamp system and have now gotten trounced by good to average teams, in a rivalry game and on homecoming.

Time for me to get yet another sockpuppet on my hand who I will call Sally as no woman would EVER have anything to do with me. I always agree with myself while ducking Muschamp's blowout losing streak. I AM WORST POSTER IN ALL OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL RELATED BLOGGING! I ALSO WUV CALVIN AND HAVE NAMED ONE OF MY SOCKPUPPETS 'LITTLE, SNUGLY, CALVIE.

You right, he's the sound-bite meister but no substance come game day or even during his sound bites, plus even he knows he's running out of idea's and is in over his head. After that Fsu lost and why are we the only team after lost that keeps talking about we gotta start recruiting better. Well if that's all it takes to win a championship, let's just hire nothing but top notch recruiters than.

When those Raising Canes videos started coming out, all i could think of was, man, who does this guy think he is, trying to show some type of journey, which was irritating because maybe i'm old skool, but it seems to me like these raising Canes videos should only be shown after we've actually won something like we're use to winning arounds here, a national championship.

Again, coach goldie keeps putting the cart before the horse, the 300 page binder, the pilar's, core values, 6 secs at a time, we want to be in those type of big games, etc. etc. Just SHUT up & coach, he's done better at everything except coaching and developing football players.

People like to lie on coach shannon and say the players never developed under him, well if they never developed under shannon than shannon is must be a way better recruiter than coach goldie is, because alot of shannon players went to the nfl and he has ones that will still be going in. Right now under coach goldie, what players that he brought in look like they'll be playing in the nfl thus far.

barry sanders ran for -2 yards in a play-off game against green bay, was it barry sanders or his o-line. The dolphins probably have the worst o-line in the nfl, than they lost 2 starters that weren't pro-bowlers, so to say lamar miller isn't a good runningback, lol, ask frank beamer or bud foster or several football teams.

Speaking of the stupid dolphins, like i said before the draft last year, they need to draft that linebacker from boston college luke kuechly and just draft a qb later on. Now carolina's defense is one of the stingiest in the nfl right now if not the stingiest. I'm interested in seeing that game monday night between carolina and new england.

Here are somethings that with all the micro managing coach goldie has done since he'e been here, why can't he see the things that cause negative plays for us. For example, offensively, all this looking to the sidelines crap has to go, leave that for oklahoma, there is no advantage to doing that. For instance on the first drive in the 3rd quarter against Fsu, when we talk about coaching issues, it's 2nd & 2, why does a college qb have to look at the sidelines in order for an offense to pick-up 2 yards, stupid football.

Next, it was 3rd & 8, we call a play, than of course the offense has to look to the sidelines, than get set and snap the ball basically with 1 sec on the clock, advantage a get up field Fsu d-line, that play had no chance no matter what was called.

If you know your qb has a bad ankle why are you giving the advantage to the d-line by allowing them to be able to tee off with 1 sec left on the play clock, again, bad coaching.

Get to the line and snap the ball early and often and switch it up, no need in waisting time. Thinking you're affecting a d-line in a naegative way by making them get in there stance than having to reset does nothing and it's semi cheating if you ask me.

No advantage to all that look over to the side lines crap. Besides the o-line hand tapping that goes on, just to many predictable things we do on offense that gives defenses many keys to be able to get after our offense all day long, a solid headcoach would've seen that and fixed that instantly.

For the record.....Brock Berlin was 20-5 as a starter for the Canes and was a perfect 5-0 against FSU and the Gators! Not too shabby as QB records go at the U! Just saying.

I see Gallo still the village idiot on this blog, how amusing!

OK Manny!
Nice breakdown. So myself as a rabid fan, who knew very well this team was not quite ready will cut Golden and his staff some slack. I do think we should see our team progress as the season moves ahead and that just doesn't seem to be the case. Coaches are not accepting their part in why such a poor performance against Va Tech. Clearly, FSU is locked and loaded and we are not yet ready to compete with their program.

I'd rather be scratching my nuts....


huh...

Posted by: StormsCominBitches | November 15, 2013 at 08:32 PM


While []_[]r at it, scratch []_[]r cheeks... My n[]_[]ts itch too...

So, isn't a lack of improvement/development from Morris and Henderson a Coaching deficiency? Morris, although his rating is a little higher than last year, has made more poor decisions this year and has more picks.

You Can't put 10,000 kids in the UM Football rooster each year, we pick what we can and the rest goes nation wide. The NCAA always hated the U and even suggesting to us that we are monopolizing college football by obtaining the best players nation wide, it's not our fault they are all from south Florida high schools and from Florida.
The writer states that we should be par with the Hookies? We have been sanctioned by the NCAA and watched like a hawk for some time now and in par with no one, we were ranked by ghost ranking and even surprised we have come this far. GO CANES

StormsComin,

My point is if these players really support D'O they will leave it all out on the field and act like they have been coachedand not just thrown on the field. If they continue there trend you have to blame the coach. They way I was coached you don't want to produce there are people on the bench that want to see the field, people that are hungry to get there shot. And we will find one that wants to play.

Losing Johnson and Paul really put this team in a bind, but Armbrister and Corneilus played enough last year to be able to produce better than whats being shown this year..

I still put the variation of this 3-4 d that's being run at fault we are getting killed on the weak side run and delayed crossing routs.

Regardless of not having the talent/depth to play with FSU just yet, the coaching also has to be called into question. We definitely still have enough talent/depth to beat up on the likes of WF, yet still needed a late comeback to pull it off. The FSU game aside, we'd been living dangerously for weeks before the Va Tech game and it finally caught up with us. Defensive scheme and offensive play calling has been far too conservative and predictable. Golden needs to realize this and have the coaching staff use the personnel better as well as scheme better on both sides of the ball. Nobody gets a pass here. Golden has been saying for weeks that they're going to fix it. Then, fix it!

"I spoke to three different recruiting analysts Thursday who all said the same thing: Miami is not deep enough anywhere and the overall talent isn't good enough to be a legit contender this year. And it probably won't be for another year or two at least."

Manny - I realize we're not deep enough or good enough overall to beat the FSU's of the world, but did you ask the recruiting guys if we should be good enough to beat the weak sisters in the ACC?

Calvin I actually AGREE with you, when the opposing D is still moving around trying to get set, HIKE the F'ING ball and stop looking to the sidelines for a play. Have a quick strike play or hot read play ready to go anytime the D isn't set. We would then have either a 1st down or 3rd n short everytime.

I never make predictions, but I'm calling it, we're going to pound Duke. I think the kids are peeesed off and want to show everyone they're better than they've been playing, and will lay waste to Dukie. Hope I'm not wrong...

Calvin your stupidity outshines your blind racism.

Golden has been here 2 yrs and is in his third. I guarantee by the time he is done he will have more players in the NFL than shannon

Shannons recruiting classes began in 2007 and ended in 2011. So tell me who is doing well in the NFL or canadian league?

Mike james is the only one.
Colin mcarthy wsnt his
Jimmy graham? Ok, ill buy that!

Golden is organized and a leader. He rebuilt and saved this program. And he stuck with this program through a mess that started under shannons nose!

You should be thankful. You racist pig

Miami will go 10-2

Take that to the bank

Well, if Alverage finds himself a half game under .500 at the hands of Duke, it's time for him to be shown the door with his boyfriend from the dorms at pedo protection state college, PA.

Then all his golden shower takers will have to go get their fix in from him under the bridge downtown, where they all belong. Mark's first in line though as he has been for over 20 years, so line up and stay orderly.

For how many years have we been hearing that the Canes have "superior talent?" Then they lose to teams with supposed "inferior talent." Why? It is a matter of coaching and motivation.

Will we see a defense that is so confused in the secondary and so unable to get to the QB, with safeties playing way back and linebackers off the ball again?

Will we see an O Line that again fails to dominate anybody?

Will we see a running game?

Will we see a QB that can't sustain drives via intermediate passes and underneath throws?

Will we see coaches giving the same excuses?

Today against Duke is the same potential story. We will see if these coaches can do more than blame players. We will see if the Canes have heart and determination. And Hurricane Pride!

Or will they be embarassed by Duke? Several national commentators think so? Why are we 3 1/2 point favorites? Superior talent? Who is hungrier?

I am tired of this theme of superior, unproductive talent at UM. Time to make a stand, Canes, and show desire. Beat the crap out of these guys!

Go Canes!


I never make predictions, but I'm calling it, we're going to pound Duke. I think the kids are peeesed off and want to show everyone they're better than they've been playing, and will lay waste to Dukie. Hope I'm not wrong...

Posted by: ColaCane | November 16, 2013 at 09:26 AM
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R U that delusional and what not! Well, are you bUbba!!

Nevertheless, I do give you kudo's for your HOPEFUL, optimism. Even if it is TAINTED with delusions of grandeur.

Oh, my main mens's Herbie and Mell Kyper have said Goldie's squad is in deep, deep, stanky doo-doo. If U Know what I mean.

For instance, ESPN's Herbie says the Hurricane's DONT' CARE ANY MORE and Mr. Kyper said the Canes are FALLING into a deep, downward spiral ( It's called Blue, blue Canes. Not Orange nd' Green. ). hUh

FWIW... both Kyper and Herbie bloody tout MIGHTY Duke. And Kyper says that the DORK's have the STRONGER, greater overall coaching staff, which starts with Cutliff-sp. Get outta' here with that SLANDERING crap, Weirdo!!

Matter of fact, Kyper said Miami, Florida has the overall stronger team TALENT, but the Canes don't have the coaching and what not. SEE both Golden and D'Onofrio and their QUESTIONABLE schemes and ploys and what not.

My bad for being the HARBINGER of blUnt, negative news. dUh


We will see if the Canes have heart and determination. And Hurricane Pride!

Or will they be embarassed by Duke? Several national commentators think so? Why are we 3 1/2 point favorites? Superior talent? Who is hungrier?

I am tired of this theme of superior, unproductive talent at UM. Time to make a stand, Canes, and show desire. Beat the crap out of these guys!

Go Canes!

Posted by: dbc | November 16, 2013 at 10:45 AM
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And U are a DEDICATED, loyal, OPEN-MINDED Miami, Florida Hurricane fan. Nothing more, nothing less.

FWIW... I SEE-r the Hurricanes WINNING in spite of D'Onofrio. Albeit the game will be a struggle and will probably go into the fourth-quarter. SEE the Florida and Carolina Blue and Wake Forest games, for example.

Also, see my opinion above. Both ESPN's Herbie and Kyper say the Hurricane's DONT'T CARE NO MORE and may win only one more game the rest of the season ( Moribund Virginia on Senior Day. ).

And that DEFEATIST attitude goes on Golden and D'Onofrio and the Cane team LEADER's and the player's!!

Current roster of scholarship-worthy players totals 76 players. Excluding the 3 specialists (LS, P, K), the total is 73 (36-O, 37-D) consisting 55% FR/SO. Point: The team is young, especially on D (57% FR/SO).

From a quality standpoint, 68% of the roster consists of 2/3 star recruits, which breaks out as follows by class.

SR: 74% 2/3-star, 26% 4/5-star
JR: 81% 2/3-star, 19% 4/5-star
SO: 56% 2/3-star, 44% 4/5-star
FR: 64% 2/3-star, 36% 4/5-star

Point: Player quality is improving over time but the better recruits are still young and inexperienced.

Looking at the D, the numbers break out as follows:

SR: 80% 2/3-star, 20% 4/5-star
JR: 83% 2/3-star, 17% 4/5-star
SO: 56% 2/3-star, 44% 4/5-star
FR: 50% 2/3-star, 50% 4/5-star

Point: Bad coaching can lose games with good recruits but good coaching can't win games with bad recruits.

Bottom Line: Good coaching and good recruiting wins championships. For those fans with unrealistic expectations for current performance, you have two choices:

1) Keep bitching, or
2) Switch teams

For those fans with realistic expectations. Keep the faith and have patience. In Golden we trust.

CALVIN, you are in the ballpark when it comes to both Golden and D'Onofrio being out of their league. When it comes to coaching against relatively, quality coaching staff's from the B.C.S.

In other words, this AIN'T the M.A.C. no more and what not.

Oh, throwing my loyality aside for Univeristy of Miami, Florida Hurricane football. I'm very interested in the COACHING STAFF matchup's. Because of all the INTANGIBLES,TANGIBLE surrounding the game. That Cane coaching vs. DORK coaching will be very,very intersting.

Can y'all Hurricane partisans IMGAINE what a Cutliff-sp could do for Miami's FLAT state of football existence.

Because I can guarantee that Cutlifff would have NEVER lost to Marlyand back in 2011. Especially with the stronger athletic, team talent on his sideline.

FWIW... MIGHTY Maryland won only TWO games in 2011. That be Towson St. and U Know Who.

Yeah, yeah Miami, Florida had 8 player's go A.W.O.L. So what.

Bottom Line: Good coaching and good recruiting wins championships. For those fans with unrealistic expectations for current performance, you have two choices:

Posted by: Kinetic Cane | November 16, 2013 at 11:31 AM
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Ah... the JURY is still OUT on both Goldie and D'Onofrio's coaching ACUMEN and what not.

Because SUSPECT coaching can fumble away all that 4/5-Star talent too. Especially against a team with relatively EQUAL, talent!!

Nonetheless, the Hurricanes will still win today in spite of D'Onofrio and his APOLOGIST's!


Posted by: Kinetic Cane | November 16, 2013 at 11:31 AM
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bUbba, I've already read/heard your SCHTICK ad naseum at that CS/eoth!

Now, scamper back to that canespace/eoth. hUh

FWIW... you probably predicted the Hurricanes would finish 10-2. And your tout may still come to fruition. huH

Did UM just get shut out on College Gameday picks?

I think they did!

Enjoy the last six hours of the dead ender honeymoon Alverage. Pathetic.

THE WORST POSTER IN ALL OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL RELATED BLOGGING needs to cherry pick a three year old quote to try and deny reality now, oh that's right, Mark May picked Duke to win too.

Next year's roster of scholarship-worthy players should total 85 players. Excluding 2 specialists, the total is 83 (41-O, 42-D) consisting 64% FR/SO. Point: The team will be even younger next year.

However, quality should improve with the proportion of 2/3 star recruits declining from 68% to 64%. Next year roster quality by class:

SR: 19% 4/5-star
JR: 44% 4/5-star
SO: 36% 4/5-star
FR: 43% 4/5-star

Quality for the D might take a step back as the incoming class appears 2/3-star heavy:

SR: 17% 4/5-star
JR: 44% 4/5-star
SO: 50% 4/5-star
FR: 33% 4/5-star

If Golden is right and recruiting will improve post-NCAA decision, I would expect the 2015 recruiting class to be much improved. Of course, time will tell.

D, hilarious when ostriches put their head in the sand and tell others to cheer for someone else, like they set the choices for everybody else? How about, I cheer for who I want and call the crap coaching out until it's replaced with someone competent?

Yeah, that's more the ticket, take your false dichotomy to your next golden shower session, for energy and vigor, of course, is why you imbibe.

Although Manny is Right, , I have been around the U for 40 years and what I see are coaches, especially on the defense,, who are not charismatic, or even completely competent.. . If the Miami defense makes the Duke offense look like Alabama,. should should do the right thing and resign.

That's, D'O should resign

Stars become largely irrelevant after players are in the program. Allen Hurns insn't playing like a 3-star; neither did RAY Lewis and a host of other Canes legends. We clearly have more overall speed and talent than the Hokies, Duke and the rest of the Coastal Division. We played a shitty game. It's as simple as that. They scored 3 TD's with a short field and 1 on a third and forever on which we missed two tackles that would have forced a field goal. Instead of us having a short field to try to go up 14 (and then maybe 21) nothing, we give them a short field and they capitalize. Even after all that we have a chance to get back in the game and Waters misses a 3rd down (possibly TD) catch. They just didn't make the plays. We're not world beaters this year--it happens; but we have a chance to have a two-loss season going into a bowl game, and going into the season that is all any reasonable Canes fan could have hoped for record-wise.
Yes, we should have beaten VT---because we are without doubt the most talented team in a weak Coastal division. The their stars, our stars is nice fodder for an article; but it doesn't mean a damn thing as far as what the level of talent on the field is now.

I'm disappointed in the VT loss; but get behind your team and realize how awful this program would be without Al Golden. 10-2 Going into a bowl and a top 20 ranking isn't bad for this year's team. They are growing into winners, they are recruiting well, and we have a chance to finish strong and go into next year ranked around 15. Let's get behind them...and pray that they win out.

good post farmer, but reality is just because people are upset(rightfully so), doen't mean we aren't supporters. It's the fact we DO support is why we are here, just like you. But this article is bogus. If it's stars we need, then why sign another 3 star receiver. Get out and find a 4 or 5 star and quit creating excuses. Fact is, Golden made Temple better, and has NOT made Miami better. He has never beaten anyone as a coach that mattered. Golden is still after 8-9 years as a head coach looking for that BIG WIN. How long does Miami stumble around before winning is expected. I say soon, very soon.

Miami will most likely end up 8-4. 8-5 depending on the bowl matchup. Back to Orlando for a big ten beatdown, again.


Well, if Muschamp finds himself a half game under .500 at the hands of Vandy, it's time for him to be shown the door with his boyfriend from the dorms at pedo protection blue field college.

Then all his weenies takers like me will have to go get their fix in from him under the bridge downtown, where they all belong. I am first in line though as I have been for over 20 years, so line up and stay orderly.

I am such a spineless weenie I have to change my screen name with each post. Go Gators!



Did my UF just get shut out on College Gameday picks?

I think they did!

Enjoy the last six hours of the dead ender honeymoon Muschamp. Pathetic.

I AM THE WORST POSTER IN ALL OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL RELATED BLOGGING and need to cherry pick a three year old sockpuppet I named Calvin to try and deny reality now, oh that's right, Mark May picked Vandy to win too.

PS: I'm even afraid to use one screen name.


Florida will end up 4-8, and will not make a bowl game, not even going back to Orlando for a big ten beatdown, again.

I don't understand your post farmer, but reality is just because I pretend to be upset, it doesn't mean I am a supporter of the Canes, because I am not. It's the fact we DO NOT support is why we are here, I'm just like you, a Hater. But this article is bogus, because Manny told the truth and proved that Golden is a great coach. If it's stars we need, then why sign another 3 star receiver, even though he weighs over 220 lbs., is 6'5'', runs a 4.4 forty and catches everything that is thrown to him. Get out and find a 1 or 2 star so I can further attack Golden. Fact is, Golden made Temple great, and despite the NCAA investigation has made Miami a 7 an 2 team that was ranked number 7 in all the land. He has beaten the Gators as a coach that truly mattered. Golden is still after 8-9 years a great head coach looking to take the Canes to many National Championships. How many National Championships does Miami win with Golden? 4 maybe 5! I say this will happen soon, very soon.

D'o needs to be fired along with Franklin and Kehoe.

Every team loses players, has players who don't reach their potential, and has players leave the program.

Bottom line:
Number of 4 or 5 star LB or DL recruits over the last 4 years...
Miami- 9
Alabama-27

Wow the u is going to lose a football game to freaking Duke! Not a Basketball game a football game...what an embrassment!

Keep the excuses flowing; we will never get over the hump with this kicking the can down the road. Al is a UVA and Penn State guy; what did UVA win while he was there with Groh? Bring in some talented coaches to run this program; at least, Coker had the nohow to sit back and let talented coaches run the program and win games. D no is horrible, with or without talent, period.

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