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The Miami Hurricanes arrive in Orlando for the Russell Athletic Bowl. UM says everyone reported.

ORLANDO -- Russell Athletic Bowl week is finally here. 

The Hurricanes have all checked in, according to Chris Yandle, UM's assistant athletic director for communications. The players drove to Orlando, Yandle said, and all had to report by 3 p.m. They had the afternoon free. Some of the players spent the day at City Walk in Universal Studios.

There was no media access at their hotel or otherwise.

Tomorrow, the Canes (9-3) practice from 1:30 to 3:30 p.m. at The Citrus Bowl, where their game against Louisville (11-1) will be played at 6:45 p.m. Saturday. Practices are closed to the media, and only coaches will be available afterward. We were told the players will be on a Best Buy Shopping Spree that is closed to the media (I'd love one of those myself!)

The last time I greeted a Miami Hurricanes team for a bowl, it was in the airport of El Paso and guys like linebacker Jordan Futch and quarterback Jacory Harris and bowl head coach Jeff Stoutland (with a giant sombrero atop his head) were dancing with local women to the festive beat of mariachi musicians and colorfully costumed Viva El Paso dancers.

That was for the 2010 Hyundai Sun Bowl. El Paso is a border town that sits on the banks of the Rio Grande -- across the river from Ciudad Juarez in Chihuahua, Mexico. Juarez, known as the murder capital of the world, was off limits to the Canes and their Notre Dame counterparts, who got the same reception.

"A wonderful greeting, " Notre Dame coach Brian Kelly said that day. "It certainly didn't disappoint in our first trip here as a team." 

Kelly's Irish and the Canes each came into the game 7-5, but as Canes fans painfully remember, the Irish beat Miami soundly, a 31-17 drubbing in which Harris threw three interceptions in his seven passes, before being replaced by current senior quarterback Stephen Morris. Current Canes coach Al Golden, who already had been hired, watched that game from a stadium suite.

Miami has not won a bowl since its 21-20 win over Nevada in the 2006 MPC Computers Bowl -- Larry Coker's last game as coach.

 Since then it's been three consecutive bowl losses.

Last I looked, Louisville was favored by 3 1/2 points. Quarterback Teddy Bridgewater will be nearly impossible to frazzle. Somehow, the Canes have to find a way with a defensive line that has not been particularly fearsome this season.

Weather update: It's clear and 77 degrees in Orlando now. The weather forecast for the game is partly cloudy, with 73 degrees as a high that day and 56 degrees as a low, and a 20-percent chance of rain. But that could change several times before Saturday.

Ticket update: Earlier this past week, Vivid Seats on the secondary ticket marketplace released its report on ticket prices for this year's NCAA bowl games, and cited tickets for the Russell Athletic Bowl as the 14th most expensive of all the bowls, with a median price of $98. "The Russell Athletic Bowl is a bargain compared to the BCS National Championship, however,'' Vivid Seats reported, "which currently has a median ticket price of $1,553.''

UM is staying at the Hilton Orlando and Louisville is at the Rosen Plaza Hotel. Louisville will practice at First Academy. The Cardinals' practices are also closed to the media and public. 

SUSAN MILLER DEGNAN 

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UGoCane, are you saying they can never say anything negative on here? Or only that they cannot repeat it? If positive can be repeated, then negatives have that same right.

I love to read positives, love to see the negatives proven wrong, as I have done many times to the negative lies spouted by Gallo for example. And I do wish that once his list has been disproven, that he would stop posting it. But this is not a positive only site, there are places that do that, and I would not want to read just that.

Still, I enjoy reading your position, and am not asking you to stop by any means.

What WOULD be great to see is the negative folks posting a few positives, and the positive folks posting a few negatives, just to show they are actually paying attention to the games. The RichmondHeightsCane post is awesome, in that it discusses the Driskell TD without personal attacks, and is willing to look at things we will need to do to get better both in the bowl game and next year.

Was Howard at fault for Driskell strolling in? The camera says yes, the live view says no. If Howard jumps on the run early, who covers the WR? And when Driskell completes the pass, is he then ripped by the same folks for abandoning his cover duties? The mistake in my opinion was made long before Howard was left with that no win choice, but in the end, it didn't cost us the game. Those are the mistakes that are best, because we can learn from them without the pain of a loss.

Oh, and HTC, yes, I used "they", because he gave a list that did not include me. It does not mean I am on a "side", but it means I can disagree with your "side" without being lumped to the other "side".

When the US, England, and USSR joined together for a common foe in Nazi Germany, that did not mean the Allies agreed on everything, nor that the Axis agreed on everything. Heck, Finland for example hated the Germans, but because they were under attack from the USSR, allowed German troops to be there in support.

This whole the enemy of my enemy is my friend stuff does not work, because each time that the name changing fellow agrees with one of your posts, for example, that would mean you guys are friends? I would hope not.

Cola Cane, I agree. 10-3 is the best that we can hope for at this point, and those seniors that got hosed out of two straight bowl games and had a third with an interim coach deserve a real fun bowl experience, in the Cotton Bowl style. A real blowout win, against a team that is favored, with a better record, and higher poll position than them, would be a great way to start the new year.

Let's win it for the Seniors, True Canes that stuck it out through two coaches, multiple coordinators, the worst attacks of the NCAA and media, and stayed through it all.

FOR THE SENIORS!
GO CANES!

Five I agree with your conclusion.

My beef is when a poster gets on here and posts 5, 6, or more times bashing Coaches and players, but have no constructive answers when questioned, and have an agenda for another team to cause division on this site, then that is not a "sides " issue but a divisive issue.

Who do they recommend to Coach at Miami?
What players replaced with whom?
On D we can never agree on defensive schemes so we go back on forth on 3-4, 4-3, and on and on.

As someone who cares about the 'U' deeply and have followed them and supported them in all ways. It is irritating to hear people bashing my School.

The memories and the joy I have at the 'U' will not diminish because people pile on re our lack of play on D, but the belittling of our Athletic leaders really get's me.

Walk on Campus and look at the Lake people, and feel the atmosphere and joy of a top school, and a football team with a legacy, on the rise again.
It is like a breath of fresh air.

We are very lucky to have the 'U'. The REBUILD is a PROCESS.
Go 'Canes

The Division 2 and Division 3 championship games were done this weekend. One of the suggested areas where Miami could get defensive help was from these spots.

So, do we want to consider the Wisconsin Whitewater coaches because they won 52-14 in the Division 3 title game? They gave up 348 yards to a Division 3 opponent.

Or the Division 2 winners NW Missouri State, that won 43-28? They gave up 376 yards to a Division 2 opponent.

Doesn't look like much of an improvement. Based on what I have seen on here, both of those DCs would get labelled the way our current coaches are labelled as MAC coaches.

Looks like we can only get DCs from the SEC since the lower divisions and even the Big 10 and Big 12 and Pac 10 get ridiculed for their defenses.

16 candidates, most of which would not want to move to Miami, and the ones that would are likely from the teams with losing records in the SEC. SOOOOO, where oh where can we get a better DC than the one we have right now? Let's see who can answer that without going on a personal attack.



Through research I posted the facts of the 2001-2004 Virginia experience in the ACC.

The fact is that only one team was ranked, at the end of the year, number 10. All other years had absolutely no teams in the top ten. That was MAC like, for that time.

Additionally, the one year top loss total was 2 games. With every other year 3 losses or more.

It makes sense to make as equal comparisons, as you can. That repeated post of Al Golden's defensive coordinating are not top accomplishments at all.

Posted by: ChampCane | December 22, 2013 at 11:02 PM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Based on your absurd argument--that means Al Golden was saddled with weak players who he trained/coached/led to improve and star. Meaning, he did more with less...thank you for playing, now run along and cook-up some other foolish approach to attack Coach Golden.

See the difference folks? UGoCane can agree and disagree with class. The name changing fellow though, got proven wrong. Did he admit to his hypocrisy? No. Did he recant on his Savannah State rant? No. He isntead claimed that ESPN is lying, and that they only sceduled five teams ooc, and then repeats the lie.

For a gatr, who has the worlds WEAKEST OOC schedule every year, to claim that Miami is scheduling cupcakes in football, just added to that hypocrisy. Notre Dame, Kansas State, Nebraska, Ohio State, and Oklahoma. WHO has the gatrs schedule in the past ten years, heck, the past 20 years, outside of Miami and FSU, that meet that level of challenge? Nobody. That's right, the guy that claims he can prove Sean Taylor was a drug dealer, but never provides the proof, also claims that the gatrs have a tougher ooc schedule than Miami.

HTC tolds you already, this blog is for Canes fans, not for sick comments like yours. Take the hint and leave.

Savannah State looms for your gatrs, despite your lies.

I would be cheering for the team that faces you in your bowl game this year, thought. When does that happen? I guess it occurs the same day you get a clue that ripping a team for playing Savannah state when you are about to face Savannah state was the perfect example of your ignorance and hypocrisy. You hate the Canes, we get it. Youhate the Canes fans, we get it. You hate the Canes coaches, we get it. You hate the Canes players, we get it.

As for why you are on here 24-7, spewing your lies, nobody on here gets it. The rivalry, as you have pointed out yourself, is over. The gatros are afraid to schedule Miami in basketball and football, and will only continue facing Miami in baseball until we have a win streak against you, then you will back out of that rivalry as well. It is what your AD is famous for, cowardice, just like you when offered the chance to meet in person. Pure, weak-kneed, yellow-bellied cowardice.

ChampCane, did he improve the team while he was there? It is a valid point and an accomplishment, despite your claim that they are not "top" accomplishments. It is an impossible standard to meet, claiming that they only accomplishments that count are "top" accomplishments. Alabama was one play away from a threepeat chance, does that mean they they had no accomplicshments this year because they were not "top" accomplishments? How about the Auburn head coach, who hasn't stuck with a job in the past ten years, but does exactly the kind of career jumping that folks accuse Golden of doing? Does he have any "top" accomplichments if they lose to FSU?

Ron Zook, if you cannot discuss his argument without just calling it absurd, then you are just joining in the actions of the gatr fellow, tossing out insults with your comments. Don't sink to the gatr fellow's level. Give facts, great. Give opinions, great. But giving insults, you are just allowing the name changing fellow the opportunity to escalate the discussion into a bitter feud. Remember, I agree with your position that Golden has done well with the talent he had, I just don't agree with your method of responding with insults instead of facts.

Ah, you got me there! I was wrong that Savannah State was not as good as Georgia Southern. Funny how you picked up on that, but IGNORED the rest of the posting.

I was wrong on 1 out of 20 posits. you were wrong on 19 out of 20. I get a 95%, and an A. You get a 5%, and get sent back a grade.

Posted by:
U Were Saying sUmthing About Savannah St. and Georgia Southern U Tool
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I'll say something. We DRUMMED Sav St., and YOU got DRUMMED by Ga South. There is that good enough for you? As Rocky's trainer Micky said ' you're a BUM Rock'. Now go clean the locker room water boy.

6 is GREATER than 5 ...
Ahh, so we can ignore the difference in FCS versus BCS in your eyes? Then 6 is also GREATER than 3, and Gorgia Southern is twice the team you are.

Hoisted by your own logic, you have to resort to cheap insults instead. And of course, since you changed IDs yet again, you will claim you never insulted scheduling Savannah State in the first place. Weak, even from you. And I guess you can claim I insulted you by calling you "you". I know everyone else here would be insulted to be called you as well.

UGoCane, U seem to be extremely upset and tired of reading this blog. The question is, then why do U choose to subject yourself to something thats hurting your heart so so much. I mean, really read your posts, if thats not "whining", then I don't know what is.

U really act as if this is not an open and free forum to express ideas and opinions about UM football good or bad. Do U pay to post here? Is there a disclaimer or contracts that states that all blogging participants are required to post non-critical messages exclusively. If it exists, then please provide it for the blog, because I was not made privy to it.

I really want U to know that I am wholeheartedly sick of apologist posters like U as well. Your idea of support is to "ride till the wheels fall off", "hear no evil, see no evil" "hear and obey" and "stay the course (no matter what it is)". Blind-follower--a man who disdains accountability for those who are in positions of power and influence--is not a man...period. U hate other Canes fans for having an issue with the administration and your demand that we accept Golden's process of learning on the job. We must quell our 20-30 year expectations for this great football program to make room for excuses for a coach in hopes of him getting it done one day. Thats what this all truly comes down to.

Whatever Golden has done to ingratiate himself with U so far as to go on a mission to quell fans fire for their team to prop his tenure up, please let me know, because I missed that memo as well.

Five, that quote that U keep using is not just to the person U are posting to (I'm confused as to who this person is) its to every blogger who unequivocally equates The University of Miami's football program with Al Golden exclusively. If u believe and/or your actions show that he is UM football now, then kick rocks! U aren;t a Canes fan, U are a Al Golden fan.

No one is attacking the team, some see coaches deficiencies and choose to address them, thats not attacking The University of Miami's entire football program. If U believe so, then the above is to U.

If U can't stand to read a post like this:

"UM played 4 teams that finished the season with winning records. 4 out of 12 opponents. 3 of those teams blew us out. We have superior personnel talent and experience than 3 of those teams. Coaches are accountable"

makes U upset and U feel blind-sided and pissed that someone's mind could possibly produce this level of thought, then U should leave this blog...period. Stop crying and leave.

"For a gatr, who has the worlds WEAKEST OOC schedule every year, to claim that Miami is scheduling cupcakes in football, just added to that hypocrisy. Notre Dame, Kansas State, Nebraska, Ohio State, and Oklahoma. WHO has the gatrs schedule in the past ten years, heck, the past 20 years, outside of Miami and FSU, that meet that level of challenge? Nobody."

Hmm, in your line by line perusal of my comments, you must have MISSED this one.


I will give you a hint about when was the last time the gatrs dared to face someone even at the level of Nebraska. 1991, when they got beat down by Syracuse, and that caused Foley to change to yellow shirt and brown pants, and only schedule paid for patsies at home. Only once they lost to a Div 2 team at home did he even consider looking for out of state BCS level opponents on the road.

4-8, and losing to a 7-4 division 2 team, but you are bragging about your OOC schedule and claiming Miami has a weak OOC schedule? Still waiting for that evidence of your involvement in the Sean Taylor murder case, and waiting for your proof that UF plays anyone, anywhere, anytime. More like they play anyone they pay for, anywhere that is their home stadium, and anytime that they think it will be a guaranteed win.

Way To dUck The Orange Bowl B-Ball Tourney U gUtless Wonders... But Ur 7-5 !!! | December 23, 2013 at 10:56 AM

The PIG is back. The fat, slovenly, grotesque Pig is back on full tilt.

Guess the "Floridian-American" 9/11 love one another, brother, didn't last too long, eh, Pig?

Guess you don't have a lot going on in your life except an obsession with the Canes....and food.

Pounded again, Pig. Right, Arty?

"UM played 4 teams that finished the season with winning records. 4 out of 12 opponents. 3 of those teams blew us out. We have superior personnel talent and experience than 3 of those teams. Coaches are accountable"

^Whoever said this needs to do their homework. Superior talent than FSU? You kidding me? VT has one of the best defense's in the country. In a recruiting comparison with current defensive players, even Duke averaged more 3* players than Miami has on defense.

^Try talking about strength of schedule when you didn't lose to Georgia Southern.

We don't have the talent to win without great coaching, and we don't have the coaching to win without great talent. That is the state of Miami football. I like Al Golden and continue to support the job he is doing, but even I admit he's the not THE BEST out there. At the same time, he is not working with THE BEST cupboard of players in the ACC, much less the country.

The talent level is improving and that will continue, now we need to see if Golden can improve his staff. Find a D-Coord, find LB coach (love you Mike, but time to go), find a D-Line coach, and find a QB coach (PLEASE). I realize we don't want all this change at one time, but let's start moving in the right direction.


Do that and get back to me when Ur baby nUts drop Dickweed Five Titties.

Posted by: []_[]'VE BEEN DONNED []_[]pon !!!
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In the 2010 season Miami's SOS was 21st and UF's was 27th. Ok now don't let the door hit you on the way out.


It certainly must be the new 21st. Century Mediocre Cane Thang.

That's All U ...

Posted by: U Keep That Bar Raised To Shin Level Now U Hear ... |
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Poor baby. Bet you wish you could reach wins don't ya? LMAO. Enjoy watching us on Sat while you're getting hammered you bum

reach 5 wins, sorry typo.

"UM played 4 teams that finished the season with winning records. 4 out of 12 opponents. 3 of those teams blew us out. We have superior personnel talent and experience than 3 of those teams. Coaches are accountable"

^Whoever said this needs to do their homework. Superior talent than FSU? You kidding me? VT has one of the best defense's in the country. In a recruiting comparison with current defensive players, even Duke averaged more 3* players than Miami has on defense.
Posted by: JaxCane | December 23, 2013 at 11:52 AM

"Whoever"??? said this needs to work on reading comprehension or is too thirsty to just disagree with the mystery poster they *want* to disagree with.

We have superior personnel talent and experience to 3 of the 4 teams we played with winning records, the lone one with superior talent to UM being FSU. I tremendous responsible when I post to be extremely clear and concise because of nitpicking, but when I oblige, I get called a faux intellectual--can't win lol!

Were we better than VT going into that game. Our offense was more than a good match for their defense, but even then, the game was won by their offense--keep trying.

Why and how does the number of 3 star recruits become the basis or focal point of a discussion about which defense (Duke or UM) has more talent? Why not Use the total star rankings including all stars (5 stars and 4 stars as well). Some apologist found that Duke had more 3 star recruits than Us on defense and made that the determinant for who had more talent??? LOL.

We have several a 5 star starter and several 4 star starters on defense, so in totality our defense was way more talented star-wise to Duke's--try again.



"Just ONE and I'll never come back here."

Folks, don't waste the time. He has made these fake ultimatums many times, and refused to abide by them. Like the one where he said he would leave if Miami ever beat the gatrs in football. Still here. Or the one where he said he would leave if we did not get the death penalty. Still here.

But, for the record, Miami has had tougher schedules than the gators, multiple years. If posted though, he will say those don't count, or he will just change IDs and claim that wasn't him.

HTC, this is the fellow I was talking about. Guy makes promises, doesn't keep them. sends out personal insults in place of facts, and is obviously not a Canes fan.

Well I gave him an example of our SOS being higher back in 2010, so lets see what then redneck does, lol.

JaxCane, I think you misread his point.

We faced four teams with above .500 records, GT, VT, Duke, and FSU.

We were blown out by three of those, FSU, VT, and Duke.

We had better talent than three of those, GT, VT, and Duke.

And no, HTC, reading that doesn't bother me. They are factual statements. The claim that Golden and Donofrio are pedo shower buddies though, that is not a fact, and just lowers the attack level both all posters.

I am thankful that there are insightful and observant fans of Miami football. That are not distracted by non-factors for the success of these players.

They see it is not acceptable to expect everything from the players. Without understanding that coaches are to be held to the greatest accountability for the success of the team. That those coaches, the head coach especially, is the most responsible for acquiring, placing and implementing the best players with the best plan for success.

Those that do not, or, will not accept those foundations are free to do so. Just as I am free to share the correct knowledge, as I am now, when I chose to.

"U can't, end of discussion."
Then someone shows him to be a complete liar, positing the SOS difference in 2010. As predicted, he had his chance to leave, and his response?
Posted by: I Have Only J[]_[]st Beg[]_[]n ..

Yep, the murder joking name changing fellow has no class, no honor, and no reason to be here other than a sad obsession with a better team than his.

The fellow whose team has no bowl game is complaining about the team that has a December bowl game.

But then the fellow that is playing Savannah State is complaining about a team that beat Savannah State.

So, ask yourself, is this someone that you want to emulate? I hope not. Canes fans, please consider treating other Canes fans with respect, and leave the disrespect for a person that has earned disrespect, with five years of obsessive lies and personal attacks under multiple IDs.

Why and how does the number of 3 star recruits become the basis or focal point of a discussion about which defense (Duke or UM) has more talent? Why not Use the total star rankings including all stars (5 stars and 4 stars as well). Some apologist found that Duke had more 3 star recruits than Us on defense and made that the determinant for who had more talent??? LOL.

We have several a 5 star starter and several 4 star starters on defense, so in totality our defense was way more talented star-wise to Duke's--try again.

Posted by: HarrietTubmanCane

The point was, Miami's defense averages less than 3* players. Duke has more talent right now. Sucks but it's true. Sure we have two or three above a 3* but mostly 2* and patchwork players. Please prove to me that we have more talent than those teams. Where is this talent? Don't give me this south Florida talent crap. NFL scouts are not drooling over our kids and most would say our team is made up of patchwork players.

Coaching isn't missing tackles. That's talent. We lost to VT due to fumbles and missed tackles. Talent issue.

"Five, that quote that U keep using is not just to the person U are posting to (I'm confused as to who this person is) its to every blogger who unequivocally equates The University of Miami's football program with Al Golden exclusively."
I can understand why you would be confused who that person is, since he changes IDs so often. But looking at his repeated personal attacks on me and other Canes fans, his constant lies and propping up of the gatrs, and you will figure it out eventually.

"If u believe and/or your actions show that he is UM football now, then kick rocks! U aren;t a Canes fan, U are a Al Golden fan."
Okay. Al Golden is not UM football. But Al Golden is a part of UM football, just like Howard, Jimmy, Dennis, Butch, Larry, and Randy were. And when the only comments that come from an ID are negative comments, and they are only centered around one person, they are no different from an Al Golden Fan, They are not a UM fan, they are an Al Golden hater.

You and Calvin have discussed the improvement and lack of improvement of some of the players. But there are some that come on, attack the coach, and then leave. Al Golden fans, and Al Golden haters, both are mistaken by elevating the coach above the team.

Ah, you got me there! I was wrong that Savannah State was not as good as Georgia Southern. Funny how you picked up on that, but IGNORED the rest of the posting.

I was wrong on 1 out of 20 posits. you were wrong on 19 out of 20. I get a 95%, and an A. You get a 5%, and get sent back a grade.
Posted by: Five Titles | December 23, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Now, who's lying and making things up out of thin air ?
Posted by: U Were Saying ? | December 23, 2013 at 12:49 PM

I dunno. Who's not reading where I admitted I was wrong, while in that same time period, you have not only been proven wrong, but proven that you were supposed to LEAVE.

Savannah State is not a better team than Georgia Southern.

But then the University of Florida is not a better team than Georgia Southern, either.

This was Manny's quote on the talent comparison between Duke and Miami.

"This Saturday afternoon's game at Duke (7-2, 3-2 ACC) should be a case where the Hurricanes are clearly the more talented and deeper team. But the truth is the talent gap isn't as wide as one might believe.

Duke's starting lineup for instance features six three-star prospects on offense (QB Anthony Boone, RB Josh Snead, WR Jamison Crowder, LT Takoby Cofield, LG Dave Harding, RG Laken Tomlinson) and six on defense (S Jeremy Cash, CB Ross Cockrell, DE Justin Foxx, DE Kenny Anunike, LB Kelby Brown, LB David Helton). There's depth too with another dozen 3-star prospects as backups."

So, even in the most favorable of conditions, Miami's talent gap with Duke was less than some folks would assume, but Miami was STILL the more talented defense. They lost badly, so either the offense was the cause, or the defensive talent was better utilized by Duke's staff.

I don't beleive that the Duke Offense was far better than the Miami offense, so that leaves comparing the two defensive coaching staffs.

If we gave Duke the Miami players, and took Duke's players, do we suddenly win that game? I don't think so.

So, I believe the blame in that loss, and the VT loss, both go in majority to the defense's schemes. I think as well, that some of the wins, like UNC, WF, UF, and GT, were made closer than they should hae been due to the defensive schemes.

Schemes can be changed. Since they were not, that falls directly on the coaching staff. Talent disparity wins games, but when talent is near equal, as was the case in the VT and Duke games, the difference in coaching matters more. Be objective, and you will see that the numbers in the end are not the numbers that this level of talent should produce.


Posted by: Way To dUck The Orange Bowl B-Ball Tourney U gUtless Wonders... But Ur 7-5 !!! | December 23, 2013 at 10:56 AM

^^^^^^^^^^^

Georgia Southern you hapless Gator clown...and you spinelessly quit the Miami series out of sheer terror for the SECOND TIME...21-16 Bozo!!

great post five.

Donned, we have a bowl game to play. Your football team is free and available to talk basketball however.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/2010/team/
Miami 16, UF 21.

Now, we know you won't honor your offer, but you can at least stop repeating your lie that nobody provided you with proof of your lie.

Ahhh, who are we kidding, you will still do it, just like you do with your Pata and Taylor claims.

The scheme puts players in positions to miss tackles, evidenced by simply watching the games or 3 years of footage of the games. For the hundredth time, when a scheme asks defenders to retreat into zones and react to TE's and slot WRs how have just caught passes at full speed in front of those zones, then its gonna be very difficult to make open field tackles the entire game. In the run game, the holes are also provided by the flawed gap scheme, thus its tough to make tackles when the opposing RB flying at U thru a gapping hole every play (see: the Duke or VT game).

If the coaches believe that they have deficiencies in talent, then why exacerbate it by deploying a scheme that exposes it and puts them at a disadvantage? Why allow offenses to methodically sustain drives and dominate time of possession every game by sitting back and praying for a mistake, and the SAME time criticizing our offense for not sustaining drives and scoring to fast.

All of these twisted and double standard arguments in defense of the defense and against the offense are cases of the man-crush phenomena.

JaxCane, why do I have to prove a point that U initial posed? U prove that Duke has more talent than UM on defense. U made the claim, the onus of proof is on U. We'll wait.

Five, I was uniformed. I took another look at it and Duke was not more talented. Our offense is much better. The talent gap between their offense and our defense isn't huge though. That was a game we should have won but our defensive players got pushed around as they ran all over us. The VT game, I definitely do not think was a coaching issue. Three quick turnovers by our offense and special teams put us in a hole we couldn't get out of. Several times in that game our defense was in position to make a stop behind the line on 3rd down and missed the tackle allowing a big play. Coaching wasn't perfect in those games, especially in the first half but I still think the defense lacks the talent and our offense couldn't adjust to losing it's two biggest playmakers resulting in a three game losing streak.

And nobody woke a sleeping giant the way Japan woke the USA. More likely somebody knocked on a fat slob's trailer door demanding your section 8 rent. If five foot seven and 450 pounds is a "giant", sideways, then I guess they did wake a sleeping giant. But they woke you to go to work, not to start your daily personal attacks on here.


Fsu is the only team we played that had superior talent. Duke doesn't have talenthe talent we have.

Simple truth. the piggy NEEDS ATTENTION; positive or negative, as long as it's attention.

This is the last I'll be paying and I advise you to do the same. Notice the pivot to basketball...

Don't feed the troll. Simple. Let him spout off, change id's, etc. Every post that addresses him is his precious fuel.

Reminded of one of my favorite proverbs paraphrased:

"Try not to argue with a fool, because it becomes hard to tell who's who."

Oh, the scheme made three Miami defenders fall off of the VT running back? Really Harriet?

Thats one play Jax. Does everything need to be explained to U? Missed tackles were an issue all season and worst as the season progressed as the scheme worn down the defense (check our time possession stats). Those stats can't be explained by talent alone--thats just not realistic.

When the players have been chasing slot WRs, TEs, RBs and read option QBs all game--plays like that *one* U are focusing on come to fruition.

Missed tackles are a function of a scheme that allows the yardage and completions that PRECIPITATE the missed tackles. Its really simple.

5>3 Football Championships
9>4 Overall Championships
29>26 Rivalry Wins
21-26 This year's game
9-3>4-8 This year's record.

What else matters? You lose.

Yeah, that wasn't one play that we missed multiple tackles. Any defensive line that doesn't have enough talent to put pressure on the quarterback will allow completions. No DB's can stay with any receivers for 6-8 seconds every play. The difference between old Cane defenses and this one? Pressure in the backfield and when completions happened the tackles were made.

So why doesn't the offense look just as bad with the same trashy leftovers, cloud, and negative recruiting, and COACHING TURNOVER!
The offense is still tops in the acc unlike the 'efense!
Spin that

Posted by: Nash
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Let me know when someone respond to this.
Posted by: DaU | December 22, 2013 at 10:58 PM

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1. Talent. On either side of the ball it starts up front, but Duke Johnson, Phillip Dorsett, Stephen Morris, Stacey Coley and Allen Hurns.

2. Depth. On either side of the ball it starts up front, but A.J. Highsmith--a converted back-up QB--plays safety. That should tell you enough about the talent level/depth of our defense. Our defensive line was weak. We have one solid player on defense and several up-and-comers. No playmakers at the level of Duke, Stacy, or Stephen.

3. Overall, on either side of the ball it starts up front, and our offensive line has more talented players and is a deeper unit than our defensive line. You can switch the coaches and get prety much the same results. Morris had a new O.C. this year and played poor at the start of the season before he was injured. Meanwhile the defense kept us in games and was the reason we beat UF (people forget how good they looked). Stephen got better as the year progressed and he got over nagging injuries but then we lose our best offensive threats (Duke and Phillip) and looked more pedestrian as the year went when we were ineffective running the ball.

We had a promising defense early (after we baptized the Gators) who was left on the field in tough situations early on but were able to overcome those situations to get wins. Then the offense begins to play a little better and we lose our toughest player and running-game in Duke Johnson. That again puts pressure on a marginally talented defense that was able to hide flaws earlier in the season. We become more one dimensional as an offense without Duke, which then feeds the cycle by leaving the defense on the field to long. Thereby exposing our talent and depth issues.

Add to that breakdowns in execution on crittical 3rd downs, and the resulting/inciting (whichever way you believe it happened) conservative play-calling that forces us to tackle and make crucial plays on third downs.

But in a nutshell it's talent and depth between the two units, but on either side of the ball it starts up front.

Tub.....
1) I have no AGENDA whether political or judgemental as you do regarding Cane football. I just love the 'Canes.

2)Apparently you do not read posts very closely. My complaint was REPITITION of the same points. Which you are at the head of the list.

3)NO need to be an apoligist for the things for which I feel strongly . You know exactly where I stand. I also agree to disagree many times on this blog.
Your twisting of facts, opinions, and ideas about the U are well founded on regular readers so I will not detail. When corrected you feign ignorance or change the subject.
4) I will not question your gender (which is totally irrelevant)stating any man who is a blind follower is not a man... seems to swing to your feminine nom de plume but rather then a "Blind Follower"as you suggest I am a "LOYAL FOLLOWER " of the 'U'.
5) Far from propping up Coach G, I admire him for his tenacity in focusing on getting us back to where we would like to go.

When we arrive I will bundle all your posts of derision, and negativity that you have put out there.
No doubt you will deny any such data, and continue to spin the conspiracy political theory of which you are infamous.

I am very Happy and Comfortable as a 'Cane fan and don't need you to remind me that I am defending and agreeing to disagree on the MANNER in which you have posted re our 'U'.

Lastly you seemed to have missed a lot of memos.
This is typical, but if it was slanted, biased, and politically tinged I am sure that you would have admitted to be one of the first to have received same.
I of all the posters would have you at the bottom of my list for ANY or ALL Memos.
Go 'Canes

Again (I shouldn't have to detail this stuff if the games are being watched by us all), the DBs are not being asked to cover WRs for any amount of time (they retreat into zones 80% of the time), so bringing up the 6-8 seconds stuff is irrelevant and the exact reason I'm citing the scheme as one of the issues. Also, the DTs aren't being asked to pressure the QB on every play, but instead, just hold up their blockers for the LBs to clean up. Why would this be the plan if U (coaches) believe that our LBs are not that talented?

The difference between old Cane defenses and this one? Pressure in the backfield and when completions happened the tackles were made.

Posted by: JaxCane | December 23, 2013 at 01:59 PM

Exactly, and its because they aren't being asked or taught to pressure or cover (stop completions).

In your logic, our defense won't be able to do this until it has defensive talent on par with our old dominating defenses. Then dudes say things like, "the old UM days are gone". I'm confused.

How do explain MIchigan State, VT, or Stanford's defenses with their level of talent? They don't 5 and 4 star laden defensive personnel.

All logical conclusions, conclude with zero accountability to coaching--thats an agenda.

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